| 00:12.20 | redroy | ok, just finished up some "normal forms" reading (thanks optikal). I think I can follow most of it... basically to get to 2NF/3NF I can't have any values stored that I'm specifying (not the end-user like email address) without those being stored in a seperate table, and then joining by unique ID ... correct? (hopefully I'm making myself clear) |
| 00:17.13 | macnewbold | w00t! I'm coming to the meeting tonight! |
| 00:17.16 | macnewbold | see you in 45 min |
| 00:19.04 | carmony | anyone recording it? |
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| 00:29.22 | CGI001 | ~nosepick macnewbold |
| 00:29.23 | jbot | ACTION plucks macnewbold out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
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| 01:19.26 | DexterTheDragon | where's all the uphpu people |
| 01:19.39 | gunny | at the user group meeting, where is the streaming channel? |
| 01:20.00 | CGI742 | give me sec, working on streaming |
| 01:20.17 | DexterTheDragon | none of the uphpu people are here |
| 01:20.25 | DexterTheDragon | everybodies missing |
| 01:24.24 | gunny | missing from? |
| 01:26.08 | CGI742 | gunny, sorry about delay, was havving some trouble |
| 01:26.12 | CGI742 | here is location of stream |
| 01:26.14 | CGI742 | it's a temp server |
| 01:26.17 | CGI742 | http://166.70.118.47 |
| 01:27.27 | gunny | no worries I'm actually at the meeting, I just wanted to give my brother the stream IP. thanks. |
| 01:27.43 | CGI742 | ah |
| 01:41.17 | eggyknap | Stream quality is really good. Nice. |
| 01:43.14 | CGI742 | thx eggyknap! |
| 01:46.30 | eggyknap | are these saved somewhere? I can't stick around, but would like to listen sometime. I'd also like to review my own presentation from last month :) |
| 01:47.36 | CGI742 | yup, i'm running a little behind on it, but will try to get the slide deck and get this out quick |
| 01:47.57 | eggyknap | w00t |
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| 04:59.12 | thebigdog | how was the meeting tonight? |
| 06:02.52 | carmony_ | I dunno, I wasn't able to go |
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| 13:14.25 | mindjuju | thebigdog, meeting was awesome |
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| 13:25.27 | Utah_Dave | woot! My new laptop was waiting for me at my desk at work this morning!!! |
| 13:31.35 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 13:31.58 | Utah_Dave | yep, it's a new Dell Lattitude E6500 |
| 13:32.15 | Utah_Dave | It looks nice so far. |
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| 15:20.50 | carmony | good morning :) |
| 15:23.52 | cycokilr | you'd like to think that wouldn't you? |
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| 15:28.12 | itimber | morning guys |
| 15:28.47 | carmony | moring itimber |
| 15:28.49 | orsonj | morning |
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| 15:30.40 | unum | so I showed that geek test to a girl I used to date and she beat me by 10 points |
| 15:30.47 | unum | 39% that's crazy |
| 15:33.40 | carmony | LOL! My wife beat me |
| 15:33.52 | carmony | by a large portion |
| 15:34.11 | carmony | cause she loves her books, her puzzles, and math/accounting |
| 15:34.19 | carmony | I'm more just a gamer/programmer |
| 15:41.31 | unum | this girl isn't much of a math person but probably beat me on the books/movies |
| 15:41.50 | unum | this test is very broad. the hacker test is a lot more focused on computer geeks |
| 15:41.57 | unum | but woefully out of date |
| 15:43.18 | unum | I wonder if she did SCA stuff |
| 15:49.13 | carmony | anyone here use Amazon EC2? |
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| 16:02.11 | Utah_Dave | Yay, I'm liking my new laptop so far |
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| 16:07.03 | thebigdog | morning all |
| 16:09.34 | Utah_Dave | morning |
| 16:09.47 | SunSparc | Good Morning!! |
| 16:09.49 | SunSparc | ~friday |
| 16:09.50 | jbot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 16:11.00 | eggyknap | Friday is just one day closer to Monday. |
| 16:11.16 | SunSparc | Every party needs a pooper eggyknap |
| 16:11.24 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 16:12.05 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:12.19 | thebigdog | what sucks for me is that everyone on my team can work from home but me |
| 16:12.34 | thebigdog | i guess that means more t1 bandwidth for me |
| 16:13.15 | fungus | yikes, a whole office on only a single t1. |
| 16:13.59 | fungus | I've been spoiled, i guess. |
| 16:15.07 | thebigdog | no just my team |
| 16:15.29 | thebigdog | 10 of us |
| 16:16.40 | fungus | I guess that's not too bad. |
| 16:17.00 | thebigdog | not really |
| 16:19.11 | thebigdog | i would take a t1 is i could |
| 16:19.21 | eggyknap | SunSparc: delayed reaction lol :) |
| 16:19.30 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:20.41 | fungus | I swapped out a T1 in our Orem office for a Utopia connection. Surprising thing is, the Utopia connection actually has lower latency than the t1. |
| 16:21.35 | fungus | Oh, and it's not a routing issue, the T1 was point-to-point to the head office here. |
| 16:23.04 | thebigdog | that is surprising |
| 16:23.28 | thebigdog | i need to talk to my mayor sunday and get utopia to my house |
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| 16:29.14 | carmony | my prob is my house and neighborhood is OLD |
| 16:29.14 | thebigdog | i wish they had it in layton |
| 16:33.16 | Utah_Dave | I wish they had Utopia in Lehi. |
| 16:34.45 | fungus | My problem is stupid SLC gov't |
| 16:37.03 | orsonj | T1's are a bit slow these days. Some DSL lines are faster than a T1. Need a T3 or fiber or something like that |
| 16:37.59 | eggyknap | $day_job is on a T1 right now because of router failure on the main line. Teh Suck. |
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| 16:39.00 | orsonj | I guess you don't have the bandwidth cap with a T line though like you do with cable/dsl/etc |
| 16:39.09 | wps | I finally got the official word on the network |
| 16:39.23 | wps | non SSH allowed, ever (outside of the network) |
| 16:39.34 | wps | so I can't set up my own proxy/tunnel |
| 16:39.42 | wps | but there is a proxy I can use |
| 16:39.47 | wps | and anything I can push through that is allowed |
| 16:40.08 | wps | anyone willing to do me a big favor? |
| 16:40.18 | wps | I can't access this URL (due to the content filter) |
| 16:40.18 | wps | http://www.proxifier.com/mac/ |
| 16:40.53 | wps | if someone could download that and throw it on their own server so I could download if from them, you'll be my hero |
| 16:42.22 | orsonj | orson.tetratech.info/ProxifierMac.zip |
| 16:42.58 | wps | thanks a million |
| 16:43.07 | orsonj | no prob |
| 16:43.53 | wps | I guess I'll have to try looking into something like this as well: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mressl/webshell/index.html |
| 16:43.59 | orsonj | Is it ok to take down now |
| 16:46.43 | wps | yes |
| 16:48.55 | mindjuju | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| 16:49.10 | SunSparc | ? |
| 16:49.16 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Did you get that 2TB drive? |
| 16:50.06 | mindjuju | mantyhose? (man-tyhose) if you can deal with pictures of a man in a speedo, then this link is safe, else ... - http://www.stylelist.com/blog/gallery/mantyhose/1096596/ |
| 16:50.24 | mindjuju | there is a compartive model in a bra |
| 16:50.26 | mindjuju | fyi |
| 16:51.46 | mindjuju | number 6 is pantyhose for truckers, cowboys and other manly men |
| 16:52.53 | SunSparc | Ummm.... |
| 16:52.58 | SunSparc | next topic |
| 16:54.51 | carmony | so, php is awesome.... yeah... |
| 16:55.02 | carmony | php != pantyhose for men.... |
| 16:55.09 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 16:55.20 | carmony | LOL, there is my laptop ;) |
| 16:55.22 | SunSparc | php != phm |
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| 17:15.36 | unum | That time I got 36.88363% |
| 17:16.57 | Utah_Dave | Hey, who else won the Flex training DVD last night? |
| 17:19.06 | Utah_Dave | Apparently my disc is disc 2 of a set. |
| 17:19.15 | Utah_Dave | I was wondering if the other winner has disc 1 |
| 17:23.44 | jsmith | Doh! |
| 17:24.03 | jsmith | (Somebody ought to updated the topic as well) |
| 17:25.13 | *** topic/#UPHPU by Utah_Dave -> Ryan from Adobe gave a great presentation on Flex and Air last night |
| 17:25.55 | carmony | how was that last night? |
| 17:26.42 | Utah_Dave | it was pretty awesome. |
| 17:26.55 | Utah_Dave | very good presentation |
| 17:27.58 | carmony | I wish I could have come out |
| 17:28.02 | carmony | how many people showed up? |
| 17:28.50 | Utah_Dave | Mm. 15? |
| 17:29.01 | Utah_Dave | well, I'm off to lunch |
| 17:29.14 | jsmith | Did it get recorded? |
| 17:29.18 | jsmith | Has the recording been posted? |
| 17:29.40 | jsmith | (Did someone write an AIR application that shows the video of the presentation?) |
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| 17:30.34 | carmony | and did the disprove that the answer is 42? |
| 17:30.40 | carmony | someone disprove* |
| 17:34.13 | SunSparc | The answer is still 42. I have the shirt. |
| 17:34.30 | carmony | I dunno.... :p |
| 17:35.04 | carmony | whats a good way to take an object in PHP, and serialize it in something human readable? |
| 17:35.13 | carmony | I'm debugging a web service, which is a total pain :p |
| 17:35.22 | SunSparc | 42 |
| 17:35.43 | carmony | lol |
| 17:36.21 | SunSparc | try var_dump |
| 17:36.50 | carmony | but I need to have it go into a variable and not to the output |
| 17:37.38 | carmony | or it'll fubar my soap! |
| 17:43.16 | itimber | mindjuju: did anyone record last night's presentation? |
| 17:48.51 | jsmith | carmony: $serialized_version = print_r($object,TRUE) |
| 17:49.10 | jsmith | carmony: See the second parameter to print_r |
| 17:49.38 | carmony | thanks jsmith |
| 17:49.39 | DexterTheDragon | http://us3.php.net/serialize ? |
| 17:50.56 | carmony | serialize isn't nearly as human readable as print_r |
| 17:51.20 | jsmith | carmony: Happy to help |
| 17:57.33 | thebigdog | carmony, but serialize is really not for human reading though |
| 17:58.24 | fungus | print_r is for pretty, var_dump is for thoroughness, serialize is for programs |
| 18:05.40 | carmony | good to know |
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| 18:30.47 | carmony | has anyone here ever had the burning desire to log in as a different name, go to #php, ask simple questions and just be totally clueless & drive the other people up the wall? :P |
| 18:42.02 | itimber | apparently, that is a desire you share with no one. :) |
| 18:42.02 | thebigdog | we have done it |
| 18:42.13 | itimber | I stand corrected :) |
| 18:42.28 | thebigdog | in terms of WoW we have raided other channels |
| 18:42.39 | thebigdog | http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/permalink.asp?artist=billday&date=080929 |
| 18:42.43 | thebigdog | i love that one |
| 18:43.30 | thebigdog | kinda funny too - http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/permalink.asp?artist=donwright&date=080926 |
| 18:44.04 | thebigdog | i swear my family is my biggest spammer |
| 18:59.49 | mindjuju | utah_dave |
| 18:59.56 | mindjuju | itimber - yes |
| 19:00.52 | thebigdog | carmony you ready to raid |
| 19:01.04 | thebigdog | mindjuju will lead us |
| 19:01.09 | carmony | lol, raid #php? :p |
| 19:01.12 | thebigdog | and itimber will bring up the rear |
| 19:01.18 | itimber | sounds like I missed a good one... so I can't wait till it's available |
| 19:01.22 | mindjuju | k,hang on |
| 19:01.24 | itimber | thebigdog: always |
| 19:01.35 | itimber | nose in the a** of the guy in front of me |
| 19:01.36 | itimber | LOL |
| 19:01.52 | thebigdog | hehe we should raid a channel that is utah based |
| 19:02.07 | carmony | #utah? ;) |
| 19:02.19 | mindjuju | now we could go over and attack #php but if we'z raiding, it's #phpwomenz |
| 19:02.38 | itimber | mindjuju: LMAO |
| 19:03.31 | carmony | http://www.cagle.com/news/ACORN/images/bish.jpg |
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| 19:06.15 | blastard | ~punch itimber |
| 19:06.16 | jbot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches itimber right on the nose |
| 19:06.27 | blastard | ~punch thebigdog |
| 19:06.28 | jbot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches thebigdog right on the nose |
| 19:12.27 | blastard | ~lart fungus |
| 19:12.27 | jbot | turns fungus into a lifesized tux doll |
| 19:16.56 | mindjuju | what did they decide? |
| 19:17.20 | carmony | they favored for the voting official |
| 19:17.21 | carmony | http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/ohio.voting/index.html |
| 19:18.36 | carmony | so in other words, they support the official who did nothing when the issue was brought up, and now 1/3 of their early votes are potentially frauds. |
| 19:19.54 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 19:19.57 | mindjuju | tough call |
| 19:20.29 | carmony | it is |
| 19:20.30 | mindjuju | how does this differ from what's her face in Florida certifying Bush? |
| 19:21.03 | mindjuju | i wonder if there is a more effective method for the repubs to have this addressed |
| 19:21.28 | mindjuju | ultimately, isn't that what SC said when they yielded to whatshername? |
| 19:21.36 | mindjuju | that she's the one in charge, and its her call |
| 19:21.37 | carmony | both sucked. I don't care which canadate might have voter fraud going on, they should be one of the first people to suppect it, and if they get wind of it, they need to issue a clear statement condemning it |
| 19:21.54 | mindjuju | yes, that's very true |
| 19:21.58 | mindjuju | and totally agree |
| 19:22.11 | josephscott | voter registration is a mess in general. When I moved from California to Utah, there was nothing that canceled my registration in California |
| 19:22.50 | mindjuju | good point josephscott |
| 19:23.18 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a CSS question... |
| 19:23.26 | mindjuju | css question? |
| 19:23.34 | mindjuju | we only do politics, tasers and php here! |
| 19:23.39 | carmony | lol :p |
| 19:23.42 | PoeticIntensity | if I have two divs in succession.... (I figured as much, mindjuju) |
| 19:23.42 | carmony | shoot :) |
| 19:23.44 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 19:23.45 | PoeticIntensity | ok |
| 19:24.04 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a list of divs.... and the even ones (div #2,4,6, etc) are all hidden... |
| 19:24.10 | PoeticIntensity | the odd ones are visible... |
| 19:24.17 | PoeticIntensity | all of the divs have content... |
| 19:24.23 | blastard | and you want them side by side? |
| 19:24.34 | PoeticIntensity | the problem I'm having, is... I want the even ones to be *really* invisible... |
| 19:24.45 | PoeticIntensity | right now, there's a space where the hidden one's content should be. |
| 19:24.49 | PoeticIntensity | I wanna get rid of the space... |
| 19:24.52 | carmony | display:none; |
| 19:25.01 | carmony | not visibility:hidden; |
| 19:25.06 | PoeticIntensity | heh... nothin' but love, carmony. |
| 19:25.07 | blastard | yup |
| 19:25.08 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 19:25.20 | carmony | hiding keeps teh space, display removes it from the rendering process totally :) |
| 19:25.21 | blastard | ~lart carmony |
| 19:25.21 | jbot | sends a legion of lawyers after carmony's head |
| 19:25.28 | carmony | :D |
| 19:25.29 | carmony | :O |
| 19:25.37 | blastard | so are we going raiding or what??? |
| 19:25.40 | carmony | x| |
| 19:25.40 | PoeticIntensity | and then, if I want to make it visible via JS, what would the tag be? |
| 19:25.51 | mindjuju | display:inline |
| 19:25.52 | PoeticIntensity | display:some ? |
| 19:25.54 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 19:25.54 | PoeticIntensity | thanks. |
| 19:25.56 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 19:25.58 | PoeticIntensity | man, I'm a nerd. |
| 19:26.05 | carmony | mindjuju actually... for a div its a display:block; ;) |
| 19:26.31 | carmony | inline is for things like <span> :) |
| 19:26.49 | mindjuju | ah true that |
| 19:26.54 | PoeticIntensity | yup... worked like a charm. |
| 19:26.57 | PoeticIntensity | thanks again. |
| 19:27.12 | Utah_Dave | sup, mindjuju? |
| 19:27.13 | josephscott | and if you wanted to do all that on the fly jquery has a nice way to select even and odd elements |
| 19:27.16 | carmony | PoeticIntensity, how are you changing it via JavaScript? are you using a library? |
| 19:27.27 | mindjuju | utah_dave you're killin' me |
| 19:27.32 | mindjuju | killin |
| 19:27.33 | carmony | ^^ what josephscott, I was gonna say if you can use jQuery, use it. |
| 19:28.09 | PoeticIntensity | carmony, nope... I write all my JS by hand. |
| 19:28.15 | PoeticIntensity | custom little function. |
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| 19:28.25 | blastard | handrolled is best |
| 19:28.29 | PoeticIntensity | I like the concept of frameworks..... |
| 19:28.34 | PoeticIntensity | but I really, really don't enjoy the bloat. |
| 19:28.42 | PoeticIntensity | so... I created my own... :) |
| 19:28.42 | carmony | jQuery is suuuper light |
| 19:28.57 | carmony | and its not like a traditional framework |
| 19:29.06 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I've heard good things about jQuery... |
| 19:29.12 | carmony | its more like the JavaScript helper on steroids |
| 19:29.18 | PoeticIntensity | but ya can't beat a 2-line function that simply turns a div on and off. |
| 19:29.33 | PoeticIntensity | especially if it takes me 2 minutes to write. |
| 19:29.36 | PoeticIntensity | (probably less) |
| 19:29.56 | carmony | true :) jQuery just makes it easy to add effects :p |
| 19:30.11 | PoeticIntensity | the more I familiarize myself with all the JS libraries out there, the more bloat I see.... |
| 19:30.31 | PoeticIntensity | I'm working with a guy who is combining all sorts of JS / AJAX libraries into a project..... |
| 19:30.40 | PoeticIntensity | and although the site looks *way* slick..... |
| 19:30.49 | PoeticIntensity | it takes so much memory to render... |
| 19:30.57 | PoeticIntensity | hehe..... |
| 19:31.23 | PoeticIntensity | nah.... there's nothin' wrong with libraries 'n' junk.... |
| 19:31.29 | mindjuju | fungus, how was your disco party last night? |
| 19:31.39 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: what did I do? |
| 19:31.42 | josephscott | I wouldn't describe jquery as a framework, I'd call it a library |
| 19:31.54 | PoeticIntensity | I just really like it when my stuff is compared to other coders stuff and the first thing said is, "Man... Yours loads and works so much quicker!" |
| 19:32.13 | mindjuju | utah_dave, you got that DVD set there? |
| 19:32.15 | fungus | Disco party? oh the concert. It was really cool. |
| 19:32.28 | PoeticIntensity | if I were a purist, I wouldn't be using PHP. |
| 19:32.33 | fungus | Plain White Ts, Dashboard Confessional, and Panic at the Disco |
| 19:32.38 | mindjuju | ~josephscott++ |
| 19:32.40 | mindjuju | you got me |
| 19:32.42 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:33.46 | mindjuju | that's true, if i was really concerned about bloat, i'd be programming in assembly |
| 19:35.00 | carmony | so did anyone record last nights metting? |
| 19:35.02 | carmony | meeting* |
| 19:35.24 | mindjuju | yup, i idd |
| 19:36.08 | mindjuju | and i got the flex discount code |
| 19:36.08 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: yeah, I have the DVD right here |
| 19:36.11 | mindjuju | but no slide deck |
| 19:36.22 | jsmith | mindjuju: Gonna post the recording? |
| 19:36.24 | mindjuju | k, utah_dave, open DVD case, move paper on the left side |
| 19:36.50 | mindjuju | yup, gonna post |
| 19:36.55 | mindjuju | prolly be monday methinks |
| 19:37.04 | mindjuju | but it was good presentation |
| 19:37.06 | jsmith | Fair enough |
| 19:37.25 | mindjuju | i could prolly cut the audio for you guys here quick, but i think you'd need the slides |
| 19:37.41 | jsmith | Sure... slides are good |
| 19:37.55 | mindjuju | killin' me |
| 19:38.14 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: sshhh. Don't say anything |
| 19:38.24 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:38.30 | Utah_Dave | thanks |
| 19:38.34 | Utah_Dave | I feel much better |
| 19:38.37 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 19:38.39 | Utah_Dave | doh! |
| 19:45.26 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you got a code for flex? |
| 19:46.05 | mindjuju | yeah, whats it to ya |
| 19:46.54 | blastard | ~lart thebigdog |
| 19:46.54 | jbot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in thebigdog's direction, hitting thebigdog and sending thebigdog flying into the closet |
| 19:47.29 | thebigdog | ~smack blastard like he is wps |
| 19:47.30 | jbot | ACTION smacks blastard like he is wps upside the head. |
| 19:47.50 | mindjuju | hehe |
| 19:48.06 | blastard | dude, are we going raiding or what |
| 19:48.22 | thebigdog | im down |
| 19:48.54 | blastard | k, go to mibbit.com and get you an invisisuit(tm) |
| 19:50.58 | *** join/#uphpu stagger (i=46675b62@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e9044988e506e0c) |
| 19:51.30 | blastard | ~punch macnewbold |
| 19:51.31 | jbot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches macnewbold right on the nose |
| 19:53.51 | *** join/#uphpu lurch (i=817b7274@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6b11e6794f239788) |
| 19:54.02 | blastard | ~punch lurch |
| 19:54.02 | jbot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches lurch right on the nose |
| 19:54.16 | lurch | ~lart blastard |
| 19:54.16 | jbot | shoves a crumpet down blastard's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 19:57.47 | thebigdog | jsmith is more away then here it seems |
| 19:58.18 | stagger | question: how hard is it to install php for apache on windows? |
| 20:01.49 | orsonj | It's pretty easy, you just give herlo $5000 and you're good to go. |
| 20:02.18 | stagger | who is herlo? |
| 20:03.11 | orsonj | Actually, I don't think it is very hard, but I remember he mentioned doing it. |
| 20:04.29 | *** part/#uphpu stagger (i=46675b62@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e9044988e506e0c) |
| 20:21.50 | lurch | I think I'm doing it wrong |
| 20:32.54 | *** part/#uphpu lurch (i=817b7274@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6b11e6794f239788) |
| 20:39.13 | thebigdog | why so blue panda bear? |
| 20:40.19 | *** join/#uphpu redroy (n=redroy@rs-69-169-153-199-0003.broadweave.net) |
| 21:06.21 | mindjuju | oh wow - http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/10/17/ap5568640.html |
| 21:13.13 | fungus | The only way a Kentucky court could "seize" a domain name, is to threaten contempt-of-court to the said person if they don't voluntarily transfer the domain to the court. |
| 21:13.40 | mindjuju | and if they are internationally based? |
| 21:13.56 | fungus | lol, fat chance then. |
| 21:14.21 | fungus | Kentucky has no jurisdiction over ICANN. |
| 21:14.22 | mindjuju | yeah, that's where i say, this judge could really throw a monkey in the wrench if he goes far on this |
| 21:15.11 | fungus | IIRC, no gov't organization has jurisdiction over ICANN. |
| 21:16.05 | mindjuju | v true, totally agree |
| 21:16.14 | mindjuju | but did you see how the judge feels about it? |
| 21:16.26 | mindjuju | Opposing groups and lawyers argue any judicial interference of the Internet will create havoc. This doomsday argument does not ruffle the court," Wingate wrote. "The Internet, with all its benefits and advantages to modern day commerce and life, is still not above the law, whether on an international or municipal level." |
| 21:16.32 | mindjuju | wingate being the judge |
| 21:17.47 | mindjuju | even a slight win on something stupid like this is just enough of a grip the RIAA/MPAA needs to swing around and demand the domain for piratebay.org and others |
| 21:26.12 | itimber | that's crazy mindjuju |
| 21:26.35 | mindjuju | yeah, not good |
| 21:39.36 | unum | ICANN exists at the discresetion of the department of commerce |
| 21:40.04 | unum | so the excutive branch of the us government can push them around |
| 21:42.20 | unum | that said a county court probably doesn't have jurisdiction |
| 21:42.28 | unum | this is an internation trade case |
| 22:02.46 | tierra | but hey, just like any servers in the US can be prosecuted for illegal activities in the country and state they're in, I think they have some pull |
| 22:03.20 | itimber | love that song |
| 22:03.44 | tierra | I wouldn't say that the court could take ownership of the domains, but they could force them out of hosting in Kentuky |
| 22:03.52 | tierra | *Kentucky |
| 22:58.02 | orsonj | http://flickr.com/photos/s4n7y/2707104286/ (SFW) Ice Cream? |
| 23:00.08 | PoeticIntensity | heh... nice, orsonj |
| 23:01.58 | orsonj | I was doing a search for books and that randomly came up |
| 23:02.17 | PoeticIntensity | cool... |
| 23:02.25 | PoeticIntensity | also... I've been meaning to ask... |
| 23:02.33 | PoeticIntensity | what do you think of the new design of www.ilovemyjournal.com ? |
| 23:02.46 | PoeticIntensity | it's been about 2 months since I did it, but I never asked ya. |
| 23:03.40 | orsonj | It looks nice, I like the new look. |
| 23:03.49 | PoeticIntensity | cool... I've gotta run! |
| 23:03.54 | PoeticIntensity | Enjoy your weekend, everyone! |
| 23:10.22 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |
