| 00:24.52 | *** join/#uphpu eggyknap_ (n=eggyknap@ip67-88-113-150.z113-88-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 02:11.10 | *** join/#uphpu jnbek (n=jnbek@unaffiliated/jnbek) |
| 02:32.51 | *** join/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=David_Bo@75-169-176-217.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 02:32.51 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o Utah_Dave] by ChanServ |
| 02:38.15 | Utah_Dave | ~whaleslap mindjuju |
| 02:38.16 | jbot | ACTION beats mindjuju upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 03:05.46 | *** join/#uphpu cro (n=cro@c-67-186-228-90.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 03:38.57 | *** join/#uphpu Carmony_iPhone (n=mobile@c-67-164-249-224.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 03:40.21 | Carmony_iPhone | Anyone here? |
| 03:44.19 | *** join/#uphpu wps (n=wps@208.53.47.251) |
| 03:44.19 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 03:59.44 | *** join/#uphpu tonedevf (n=dave@post.tonedb.org) |
| 06:25.51 | *** join/#uphpu thebigdog (n=thebigdo@zeus.thebigdog.biz) |
| 06:25.51 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o thebigdog] by ChanServ |
| 11:33.07 | *** join/#uphpu mindjuju1 (n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130) |
| 13:44.12 | *** join/#uphpu redroy (n=redroy@rs-69-169-153-199-0003.broadweave.net) |
| 13:49.56 | *** part/#uphpu redroy (n=redroy@rs-69-169-153-199-0003.broadweave.net) |
| 14:00.51 | *** join/#uphpu wps (n=wps@99-204-70-174.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 14:00.51 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 14:27.14 | *** join/#uphpu mrkrow (n=chad@166.70.178.114) |
| 14:27.14 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v mrkrow] by ChanServ |
| 14:30.13 | carmony | good morning |
| 14:55.18 | *** join/#uphpu mrkrow (n=chad@166.70.178.114) |
| 14:55.22 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v mrkrow] by ChanServ |
| 15:04.20 | *** join/#uphpu fungus (n=olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com) |
| 15:04.20 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o fungus] by ChanServ |
| 15:20.32 | *** join/#uphpu redroy (n=redroy@rs-69-169-153-199-0003.broadweave.net) |
| 15:20.52 | *** join/#uphpu itimber (n=itimber@c-98-202-102-189.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:20.52 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v itimber] by ChanServ |
| 15:21.19 | *** part/#uphpu itimber (n=itimber@c-98-202-102-189.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:21.31 | *** join/#uphpu itimber (n=itimber@c-98-202-102-189.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:21.31 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v itimber] by ChanServ |
| 15:21.38 | itimber | morning guys |
| 15:22.11 | carmony | hey itimber |
| 15:22.22 | itimber | sup carmony |
| 15:22.37 | redroy | Morning... |
| 15:24.54 | redroy | I keep getting "A non well formed numeric value...." error withdate("U", strtotime("+1 hour", "2008-10-16 09:22:02")) |
| 15:25.08 | redroy | shouldn't that handle the leading zero's? |
| 15:25.20 | redroy | date("U", strtotime("+1 hour", "2008-10-16 09:22:02")) |
| 15:27.09 | carmony | why not do strtotime('date-here') + (60 * 60) |
| 15:27.11 | carmony | ? |
| 15:28.14 | redroy | I'm wanting to use the "+1 hour" as really I'm passing in the timezone difference $timezone . " hours" |
| 15:30.30 | redroy | I was hoping to use it that way so I could skip parsing out the date 'n stuff... |
| 15:32.16 | carmony | well 60 * 60 * $timezone would do the same thing, wouldn't it? |
| 15:32.34 | carmony | I dunno, I've never used the string conversions for strtotime like +1 hour or +1 minute |
| 15:35.23 | redroy | I'll give that a shot... |
| 15:35.34 | itimber | I'd use mktime |
| 15:35.57 | redroy | right |
| 15:36.46 | redroy | Like this? mktime($hour + ($timezone), $minutes, $seconds, $month, $day, $year) |
| 15:37.24 | redroy | itimber ... timothy? |
| 15:37.38 | itimber | yes.... timothy |
| 15:37.48 | itimber | exactly: mktime(9+$tz, 22, 2, 10, 16, 2008); |
| 15:38.37 | redroy | yeah, I was thinking I could get around exploding the date if the strtotime thing worked... not too much more work but I thought it'd be fun |
| 15:39.03 | redroy | I got the example from http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mktime.php#85987 |
| 15:39.06 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v DexterTheDragon] by ChanServ |
| 15:39.10 | itimber | I see |
| 15:39.24 | redroy | doesn't work for me though :( |
| 15:40.01 | redroy | itimber you changed your display name... I like it :) but shouldn't your "t" be caps? |
| 15:40.05 | itimber | use carmony's example then |
| 15:40.24 | itimber | ya, except that I'm an LC kinda guy |
| 15:40.51 | redroy | then you should be i_timber eh? |
| 15:40.58 | itimber | it was a highly controversial decision |
| 15:41.00 | itimber | :) |
| 15:41.05 | redroy | lol |
| 15:41.05 | itimber | lol... probably |
| 15:41.47 | itimber | so, are you in an office or on the side of some mountain today, redroy |
| 15:42.39 | redroy | office :) wish I was in the mountains |
| 15:42.52 | itimber | I've seen your pics on Facebook.... you get to see some amazing stuff man |
| 15:43.12 | redroy | yeah, the best stuff is only viewable by foot/horseback |
| 15:43.21 | itimber | fo sho |
| 15:43.24 | redroy | do you backpack? |
| 15:43.37 | itimber | no :( |
| 15:43.43 | itimber | did a bit as a kid |
| 15:43.43 | redroy | I'm trying to schedule one last run this year... interested? |
| 15:43.49 | itimber | nothing since I've grown |
| 15:44.23 | itimber | interested, absolutely... but I'm overbooked at the present. |
| 15:44.32 | itimber | reincheck? |
| 15:44.56 | redroy | yeah, I'll let you know when I start scheduling spring eh? |
| 15:45.02 | itimber | sounds great |
| 15:45.51 | redroy | cool, you'd only need basic gear... I have all the stoves, water filters etc. so you could be totally ready for under $200 |
| 15:46.02 | itimber | sounds good |
| 15:46.02 | redroy | if you wanted to buy your own gear that is |
| 15:46.14 | itimber | we camp a fair amount... so I have some stuff... |
| 15:46.18 | redroy | nice |
| 15:46.23 | redroy | btw, figured it out |
| 15:46.24 | redroy | date("U", strtotime("+1 hour", strtotime("2008-10-16 09:22:02"))) |
| 15:46.29 | redroy | duh |
| 15:46.32 | itimber | might not be able to use it though as space is a huge consideration |
| 15:46.35 | itimber | ah, cool |
| 15:46.55 | itimber | cause you need a timestamp as the second var |
| 15:46.58 | itimber | duh |
| 15:47.05 | redroy | right |
| 15:48.15 | redroy | we could get a uphpu backpacking trip going... |
| 15:48.28 | itimber | sounds like fun |
| 15:56.43 | redroy | jsmith where at? |
| 15:56.43 | carmony | here is the title: Top 10 Bad Web Designs Techniques I Dont Miss |
| 16:09.29 | *** join/#uphpu eggyknap (n=eggyknap@unaffiliated/eggyknap) |
| 16:26.18 | *** join/#uphpu eggyknap (n=eggyknap@ip67-88-113-150.z113-88-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 16:30.30 | mindjuju1 | redroy, you don't want to know where jsmith went camping |
| 16:30.51 | mindjuju1 | prolly Shenandoah or Blue Ridge in Virginia |
| 16:31.32 | jsmith | redroy: Shenandoah National Park :-) |
| 16:31.41 | mindjuju1 | ugh! |
| 16:32.51 | redroy | Nice |
| 16:33.01 | jsmith | It was beautiful |
| 16:33.39 | mindjuju1 | http://www.nps.gov/shen/photosmultimedia/leaf-color-webcam.htm |
| 16:34.40 | jsmith | http://mms.nps.gov/shen/cams/sm/0.htm |
| 16:36.54 | redroy | Looks awesome... though, high uintas will always be my fav. |
| 16:37.16 | jsmith | High Uintas are nice too... |
| 16:38.12 | redroy | Very cool... we need to stop chatting about this NOW ... my productivity just shot down by 90% |
| 16:38.37 | redroy | focus... on... code.... |
| 16:40.41 | redroy | http://www.windriverrange.com/winds05/51_haystack-mountain_east-temple-peak.jpg |
| 16:40.45 | redroy | amazing... |
| 16:40.50 | redroy | I'm headed there next. |
| 16:40.56 | redroy | Never been... |
| 16:41.09 | jsmith | Yeah... the Wind Rivers rock |
| 16:41.25 | jsmith | And with all the freshwater shrimp in the lakes, the fish is *fantastic* |
| 16:41.33 | redroy | about how far a drive from provo ut? |
| 16:41.40 | jsmith | redroy: Uh... at least four hours |
| 16:41.45 | redroy | not bad |
| 16:42.23 | jsmith | redroy: the area aroung Greys River and Snake River Canyon is a little more accessible, but not nearly as many good fishin' spots |
| 16:42.28 | jsmith | s/aroung/around/ |
| 16:43.34 | redroy | jsmith awesome, we will have to talk for sure, I love getting into areas where I've never been, but friends can point me in the best direction |
| 16:45.18 | redroy | just amazing... alright, back to work |
| 16:50.44 | *** join/#uphpu SunSparc (n=sparky@173.8.91.177) |
| 16:50.44 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v SunSparc] by ChanServ |
| 16:51.13 | SunSparc | Greetings uphpu |
| 16:52.11 | *** join/#uphpu thebigdog (n=thebigdo@70.103.91.98) |
| 16:52.11 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o thebigdog] by ChanServ |
| 17:13.31 | *** join/#uphpu PoeticIntensity (n=jason@67.137.24.218) |
| 17:13.31 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v PoeticIntensity] by ChanServ |
| 17:14.31 | *** join/#uphpu cro (n=cro@c-67-186-228-90.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:24.59 | carmony | SunSparc, do you guys play ever day at 5:00, or just some days? |
| 17:38.04 | dataw0lf | carmony: what's up with your CoD stats on Xbox? you've barely played! |
| 17:40.15 | carmony | Its cause I don't have a lvl 55 and I like playing better on pc |
| 17:45.19 | carmony | I got CoD4 for xbox mainly to play with friends |
| 17:45.34 | *** part/#uphpu tonedevf (n=dave@post.tonedb.org) |
| 18:03.34 | macnewbold | halo3 |
| 18:06.34 | carmony | halo3 is pretty fun, but doesn't deserve it's hype |
| 18:21.48 | SunSparc | carmony: We usually play on Tuesdays and Wednesdays but it all depends on how busy things are here. Sometimes we play M-F. :) We played last night, but our external server was having issues. We are still working out the bugs. |
| 18:23.16 | SunSparc | mindjuju1: Then you have not played CoD4 |
| 18:23.16 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:23.44 | SunSparc | I keep trying to get everyone here to play TF2 though. |
| 18:23.54 | SunSparc | We used to play it exclusively. |
| 18:25.12 | mindjuju1 | true, haven't logged more than an hour in CoD3, or maybe it was CoD2 |
| 18:25.43 | mindjuju1 | just dig better on TF2 though |
| 18:28.49 | SunSparc | Yeah, I think TF2 is a lot of fun. |
| 18:28.59 | SunSparc | They did a good job making each character different. |
| 18:29.01 | carmony | on TF2 |
| 18:29.24 | SunSparc | Have you guys watched the character videos about them? |
| 18:29.58 | mindjuju1 | love the character vids |
| 18:30.18 | SunSparc | The sniper one was pretty funny |
| 18:30.21 | mindjuju1 | yup |
| 18:30.31 | mindjuju1 | i'm getting the hang of demo man |
| 18:30.58 | mindjuju1 | though some of the players i was playing against last night had hundreds of hours on an individual character, thousands over all |
| 18:31.22 | mindjuju1 | where all my time invested is prolly near 60hrs over the last several months |
| 18:31.27 | mindjuju1 | so i'm still pretty noob |
| 18:34.02 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 18:34.34 | SunSparc | Yeah, mindjuju1, you would feel better playing with us, we have not longer hundreds of hours. |
| 18:34.40 | carmony | I love being a sniper just cause I love takin down medics and heavys |
| 18:35.26 | SunSparc | Sasha is a good gun to play with :) |
| 18:37.39 | carmony | I haven't played since the heavy update |
| 18:38.17 | SunSparc | "Who Touched Sasha!!!" |
| 18:38.19 | SunSparc | lol |
| 18:38.22 | mindjuju1 | i haven't played much heavy, but have been killed many a time by Natasha (new heavy gone) |
| 18:38.29 | mindjuju1 | oops, gun |
| 18:39.48 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:57.43 | mindjuju1 | et like extra-terrestrial ? poeticintensity, you're playing an fps with ET? |
| 18:57.55 | PoeticIntensity | Enemy Territory : Quake Wars |
| 18:57.58 | mindjuju1 | like the movie, with spilberg and drew barry more |
| 18:58.02 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:58.03 | mindjuju1 | yeah, twas kiddin' |
| 18:58.03 | PoeticIntensity | right... |
| 18:58.19 | PoeticIntensity | Had the bomb-diggity of a game last night... |
| 18:58.36 | PoeticIntensity | ya'll know those games where your sight is spot-on, and you're just on fire... |
| 18:58.54 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I could have played for 4-5 hours last night, if I didn't have to get up for work today. |
| 19:00.14 | mindjuju1 | i had that night about a week ago |
| 19:00.18 | mindjuju1 | twas goot |
| 19:00.30 | PoeticIntensity | awesome... |
| 19:01.18 | mindjuju1 | @poeticintensity - how's the baby? |
| 19:01.35 | PoeticIntensity | healthy, and from what we can tell, happy. :) |
| 19:01.47 | mindjuju1 | :) - glad to hear it |
| 19:01.50 | PoeticIntensity | nurses, poops, nurses, poops... |
| 19:01.59 | PoeticIntensity | that's about the size of it now. |
| 19:02.00 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 19:04.16 | mindjuju1 | poeticintensity - that was hardest part for me, buying diapers, seeing money go down the drain, i'm a big fan of these - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-07/16/content_349150.htm |
| 19:04.26 | mindjuju1 | saw them work while i was there, not too bad :) |
| 19:05.22 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 19:05.36 | PoeticIntensity | yeah, my wife probably wouldn't be too keen on those.. |
| 19:05.40 | PoeticIntensity | at least around the house. |
| 19:05.51 | mindjuju1 | yeah, neither was mine :( |
| 19:27.22 | carmony | uggg... |
| 19:28.06 | SunSparc | hehe, GoDaddy |
| 19:28.48 | SunSparc | From strictly a web design and user interface standpoint, that has got to be one of the worst sites on the net. |
| 19:29.19 | SunSparc | Probably makes wps gag just thinking about it. |
| 19:29.57 | mindjuju1 | ~seen wps |
| 19:29.58 | jbot | wps <i=d831b580@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5a2be116c0098a33> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 22h 38m 1s ago, saying: 'indeed'. |
| 19:31.25 | carmony | so how long has uphpu been around? |
| 19:31.31 | SunSparc | Perhaps he is vacationing and taking a break from the intarweb |
| 19:31.42 | SunSparc | 4 evar |
| 19:31.56 | SunSparc | Well, about 4 years I think. Hmm... |
| 19:32.34 | dataw0lf | 5 years |
| 19:32.58 | SunSparc | Yeah, more like that. Man, time just flies by. |
| 19:33.09 | dataw0lf | I joined the IRC channel in 2004 and I think they'd been around for almost a year when I came along |
| 19:33.13 | dataw0lf | there was like 5 people in here |
| 19:33.15 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 19:33.42 | SunSparc | :) Well it has grown a little since then |
| 19:34.58 | SunSparc | It's no ##php, but it is decent |
| 19:35.32 | SunSparc | Sizewise I mean. Quality is much better in here. |
| 19:35.53 | carmony | I haaaate #php sometimes |
| 19:35.55 | SunSparc | It is like the mom and pop store of php channels |
| 19:36.02 | SunSparc | Yeah, ##php is huge |
| 19:36.20 | SunSparc | I don't venture in there unless I have to. |
| 19:37.08 | carmony | Well, what I hate, is I'll ask a specific question, and then I'll get like 20 people ask "Well, why on earth would you want to do that?" |
| 19:37.23 | SunSparc | heh |
| 19:37.33 | carmony | and I don't feel like explaining 2 days worth of research, just so they can say "Oh, I guess you're logic is right. Well, I don't know." |
| 19:37.41 | SunSparc | makes you want to slap somebody |
| 19:38.14 | carmony | I hate having to justify every answer |
| 19:38.19 | carmony | er, question |
| 19:39.43 | mindjuju1 | should try #phpwomen |
| 19:39.48 | carmony | I'm liking uphpu :) |
| 19:39.49 | carmony | lol, really? |
| 19:40.41 | mindjuju1 | holy smokes! phpwomen has 35 people in there |
| 19:40.56 | mindjuju1 | they're topic says they don't exclude men, just ... |
| 19:41.10 | SunSparc | hehe, there have been some raiding parties that went over there a couple times. |
| 19:41.31 | mindjuju1 | yeah |
| 19:41.45 | mindjuju1 | but now we'd be overpowered |
| 19:42.03 | carmony | lol, I was reading a blog post I saw linked on phpdeveloper.org |
| 19:42.04 | carmony | http://jaime.hemmett.org/blog/?p=182 |
| 19:43.11 | mindjuju1 | link no workie |
| 19:43.30 | carmony | really? worked for me |
| 19:44.12 | mindjuju1 | well, i guess opendns may just not like the site and is refusing to help me get there |
| 19:45.02 | mindjuju1 | i'm going over to #phpwomen for a looksee |
| 19:45.19 | unum | I didn't come to the last uphpu meeting because I was sitting in a hot tub with a group of women. I've since been two dates with one of them |
| 19:45.33 | unum | she borrowed my hitchhikers guide to the galaxy "triliogy" |
| 19:45.37 | mindjuju1 | wow |
| 19:45.52 | mindjuju1 | she reads hitchhikers? |
| 19:46.05 | unum | mindjuju1: have you not heard me talk about this girl yet? |
| 19:46.14 | unum | she was explaining stuff about xmen to me |
| 19:46.23 | mindjuju1 | WHAAAAA?!? |
| 19:46.27 | mindjuju1 | no way |
| 19:46.27 | unum | she doesn't like spiderman though, he creates all of his own problems. |
| 19:46.34 | carmony | unum, sounds like a keeper! :P My wife is a geek at heart, just not a programmer (she is an accountant! :P) |
| 19:46.54 | unum | this girl is a physics teacher down there at american fork hs |
| 19:46.59 | carmony | in fact, my wife out geeked me on http://www.innergeek.us/geek-test.html |
| 19:47.05 | carmony | by like 10 points |
| 19:47.06 | mindjuju1 | that's awesome unum |
| 19:47.12 | mindjuju1 | i married a lit major |
| 19:47.19 | mindjuju1 | but i'm geeking her out a bit at a time |
| 19:47.34 | mindjuju1 | right now, have her hooked on Teen Titans and using my ubuntu laptop |
| 19:48.07 | mindjuju1 | sunsparc! |
| 19:48.14 | mindjuju1 | what you doin' in #phpwomen ? |
| 19:48.35 | unum | she has an imac |
| 19:49.06 | mindjuju1 | me hasn't used a mac for a LONG time |
| 19:49.14 | mindjuju1 | ubuntu >= mac ? |
| 19:49.24 | DexterTheDragon | yes |
| 19:49.52 | mindjuju1 | really |
| 19:57.05 | *** join/#uphpu SunSparc (n=sparky@173.8.91.177) |
| 19:57.05 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v SunSparc] by ChanServ |
| 19:57.45 | SunSparc | Wow, that was weird. I went into #phpwomen and my irc client went psycho on me. |
| 19:58.13 | carmony | LOL |
| 19:59.35 | unum | but it's easier to push some one from mac to linux then windows to linux |
| 19:59.37 | unum | :) |
| 19:59.51 | dataw0lf | os x > linux |
| 20:00.10 | dataw0lf | for desktop / workstation use, anyways. |
| 20:00.55 | SunSparc | I used to be all starry eyed with Linux. I got onto Gentoo and loved it. Then I got a Mac and wondered where OS X had been all my life. |
| 20:01.37 | dataw0lf | I started on a Mac box when I was a kid, but my first operating system was HP-UX (parents' university account), really. It's where I learned to program in C and spent most of my time in. |
| 20:01.51 | dataw0lf | Then I graduated to Debian in 97 or so, after using various BSDs and Slackware |
| 20:02.02 | dataw0lf | and stayed with it until... about a year ago |
| 20:02.14 | dataw0lf | and I was introduced to Leopard by a programming co-worker. |
| 20:02.17 | tierra | and now you're a Mac Whore... congratz ;) |
| 20:02.42 | dataw0lf | for desktop use, yes. |
| 20:02.50 | dataw0lf | and shuddup tierra |
| 20:02.56 | dataw0lf | he likes to rub my face in this |
| 20:03.10 | tierra | every chance I get |
| 20:04.00 | dataw0lf | I've done development on all three major platforms (and numerous minor ones). OS X 10.5 is the best by far. |
| 20:04.54 | dataw0lf | there's definitely room for improvement. |
| 20:05.06 | tierra | I've done dev on all 3 platforms too, and OSX is the worst one I've had to work in |
| 20:05.11 | carmony | OMG, I just jumped like.... 10% on the geek test... |
| 20:05.39 | dataw0lf | yea but you do C++ development which is essentially the ghetto of software development from an aesthetics standpoint. |
| 20:05.47 | tierra | heh |
| 20:05.49 | dataw0lf | by now you should be used to WORST, y'know? |
| 20:06.03 | tierra | like wxWidgets... yeah |
| 20:06.09 | tierra | hehe |
| 20:06.23 | unum | I only got 29% |
| 20:06.26 | dataw0lf | people have written decent libraries for PHP, too, tierra. That doesn't mean PHP itself is any good. |
| 20:06.40 | unum | carmony: was the company sco? |
| 20:06.47 | carmony | no.... |
| 20:06.50 | dataw0lf | besides, I don't even know why you use XCode anyways. |
| 20:07.14 | carmony | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carmony <-- my dad |
| 20:07.31 | tierra | it's the one language with the most freedom imho, but that freedom comes with a pricetag |
| 20:07.52 | dataw0lf | C++, most freedom? |
| 20:08.02 | dataw0lf | I think you have the British definition of freedom. |
| 20:08.16 | fungus | dataw0lf flip-flopped. :) |
| 20:08.32 | dataw0lf | Yes. Yes, I did. |
| 20:08.59 | dataw0lf | but in my defense previous incarnations of OS X were not nearly as strong as Leopard. |
| 20:09.07 | SunSparc | It takes a big man to admit it. |
| 20:09.21 | fungus | Yes, but since at least 10.3 it's been really strong. |
| 20:09.22 | SunSparc | Yeah, Leopard is awesome. |
| 20:09.35 | dataw0lf | if I change my opinion on something I'm not afraid to admit it. Whatever works, for me. |
| 20:10.12 | fungus | I only have to point and laugh because of the extreme derision you gave to OSX before. |
| 20:10.48 | dataw0lf | I thought Tiger sucked. |
| 20:11.09 | SunSparc | I think that is normal. I used to mock Macs before I tried them. Macs are something you have to put your hands on before you begin to understand. |
| 20:11.26 | fungus | I was a Mac hater too, but that was before I found out that OSX was Unix |
| 20:11.37 | SunSparc | Exactly! |
| 20:11.44 | SunSparc | That is what sold me. |
| 20:11.56 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: well, no. They made vast improvements at various levels of the dev toolkit, which is what sold me. |
| 20:11.56 | SunSparc | All the power AND the sexy hardware and ui. |
| 20:12.00 | dataw0lf | I'd used OS X before. |
| 20:12.14 | cro | It is kind of a love/hate relationship though. I love my Mac, but Apple really chaps my hide now and then. No FW port on the new MacBook? Gah! |
| 20:12.21 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: Ah, make sense. |
| 20:12.25 | SunSparc | makes |
| 20:12.29 | dataw0lf | cro: how about the glass screen? |
| 20:12.55 | cro | Not as big a deal for me, but I'm not a pro photographer, and I usu pair my MBP with a 24" flat panel. |
| 20:12.56 | fungus | I'll never forget the moment I saw one of my mentors use a Mac. "Whoa! is that a unix shell? Is that running locally? Dude!" |
| 20:13.16 | SunSparc | heh :) |
| 20:13.52 | dataw0lf | the fact that HFS+ is case insensitive by default, too, kinda pisses me off. |
| 20:14.08 | dataw0lf | and they still need a _good_ OS packaging solution. |
| 20:14.18 | dataw0lf | macports is meeeeh |
| 20:14.29 | fungus | Agreed, there are always some things that are lacking, even in BSD or Linux. |
| 20:14.46 | dataw0lf | yar. |
| 20:15.07 | SunSparc | Yeah, the case insensitivity thing bothers me as well. |
| 20:15.21 | dataw0lf | wonder what Snow Leopard is going to be like |
| 20:15.21 | SunSparc | Like a knife in the side of Unix |
| 20:15.47 | fungus | And I totally can't wait for full ZFS support in OSX. |
| 20:16.01 | SunSparc | Yeah, zfs sounds hot |
| 20:16.13 | dataw0lf | ZFS IS hot. |
| 20:16.15 | dataw0lf | mmmm. |
| 20:16.40 | fungus | Struggling through Solaris to get to the ZFS goodness sucks though. |
| 20:17.28 | SunSparc | Good old Solaris. |
| 20:17.46 | dataw0lf | I can't believe AdvFS was open sourced. |
| 20:17.49 | tierra | I can't repeat my true feeling for Apple in this channel... needless to say, my life would have been much better off had Apple not existed. It's only going to get worse over the next 2-3 years too if I continue working at this company. |
| 20:18.20 | SunSparc | ~stevejobsify tierra |
| 20:18.21 | jbot | ACTION drags tierra by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front row center of the Moscone Center at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address until tierras eyes glaze over and he calms down |
| 20:18.44 | dataw0lf | you have three developers and you're writing an enterprise application, with ONE person porting it to OS X, tierra. |
| 20:18.59 | dataw0lf | methinks you have more problems then just OS X development, or the toolchain that comes with it. |
| 20:23.03 | tierra | Apple has dragged their feet between both the Carbon and Cocoa dev communities for years, constantly hinting that one or the other was going to be dropped, but constantly switching sides... they'd add a new awesome Carbon library, then a new Cocoa one, then back and forth up until a year ago when they finally announced that Carbon wasn't going 64bit... well, we've already built a good chunk of things on Carbon, and wxMac itself is probably about 50% Carbon ... |
| 20:23.09 | tierra | ... code... so basically, now Apple has screwed me over |
| 20:24.34 | SunSparc | Yeah, that's lame. |
| 20:25.56 | tierra | just like how they complicated my life over the last couple years dealing with building Universal Binary applications... |
| 20:27.59 | tierra | it's true that we have other problems here at work, but Apple certainly hasn't helped that |
| 20:36.41 | *** join/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=David_Bo@c-24-10-237-74.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:36.41 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o Utah_Dave] by ChanServ |
| 20:38.59 | unum | what's tonights meeting |
| 20:40.20 | unum | oh there we go |
| 20:45.31 | mindjuju1 | aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 20:45.47 | mindjuju1 | utah_dave, you got $150 i can borrow? |
| 20:45.49 | mindjuju1 | http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8623907&SourceID=k1971 |
| 20:46.44 | mindjuju1 | ~seen beandog |
| 20:46.45 | jbot | beandog <n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 23h 29m 53s ago, saying: 'dont forget .phps'. |
| 20:47.52 | SunSparc | What the heck? 2tb for $150? |
| 20:48.02 | mindjuju1 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 20:48.14 | mindjuju1 | don't remind me sunsparc! |
| 20:48.34 | mindjuju1 | i could INSTANTLY double my home network capacity |
| 20:48.47 | SunSparc | Hmmm.... |
| 20:48.53 | mindjuju1 | well, a little more than double |
| 20:48.53 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju1: I'll bring it tonight! |
| 20:48.56 | mindjuju1 | yeah! |
| 20:49.20 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o mindjuju] by ChanServ |
| 20:49.23 | Utah_Dave | back in a minute |
| 20:49.38 | mindjuju | dude, that's a really crazy deal |
| 20:50.04 | mindjuju | i've heard though though that retail is afraid of this Christmas being way down |
| 20:50.17 | mindjuju | so i bet there will be some crazy stuff for Christmas, price wise |
| 20:52.29 | *** join/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=David_Bo@c-24-10-237-74.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:52.29 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o Utah_Dave] by ChanServ |
| 20:54.20 | SunSparc | a bad economy mean a good time to buy :) |
| 20:54.28 | SunSparc | which helps the economy... |
| 20:54.31 | SunSparc | crazy cycle |
| 20:56.44 | *** join/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=David_Bo@c-24-10-237-74.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:56.45 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o Utah_Dave] by ChanServ |
| 21:14.45 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: want your $150 in ones, tens or twentys? |
| 21:15.04 | mindjuju | utah_dave, i'll just take the CCN |
| 21:15.09 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:16.38 | mindjuju | thebigdog - need some music thats rough and rowdy, what you recommend? |
| 21:17.11 | thebigdog | soil |
| 21:17.16 | thebigdog | im cranking that now |
| 21:17.19 | thebigdog | pantera |
| 21:17.41 | thebigdog | i got it for ya |
| 21:18.10 | thebigdog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak_j0hb007Y |
| 21:18.19 | thebigdog | soil halo |
| 21:18.22 | thebigdog | that is a great song |
| 21:20.56 | thebigdog | ac/dc new album coming out |
| 21:21.46 | mindjuju | yeah, black ice, no? |
| 21:27.55 | dataw0lf | yup |
| 21:27.59 | dataw0lf | already got it |
| 21:29.23 | mindjuju | is it any good? |
| 21:32.17 | dataw0lf | it's ok |
| 21:32.52 | fungus | new album? no way, isn't Angus dead yet? |
| 21:32.59 | thebigdog | no way |
| 21:33.54 | thebigdog | mindjuju, how you like that song? |
| 21:36.54 | DexterTheDragon | SOiL. oh yeah |
| 21:57.15 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 21:57.16 | jbot | flings poo at cycokilr |
| 22:21.27 | *** join/#uphpu wps (i=d831b580@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0706169b83f5b551) |
| 22:21.38 | wps | I'm getting closer |
| 22:23.07 | wps | I got IM to work by setting my accounts to use port 80 and then use "Systemwide SOCKS5" proxy |
| 22:23.20 | wps | Colloquy (doesn't have the same type of option though) |
| 22:23.35 | wps | do you think there is a way to get it to work in a similar fasion? |
| 22:23.40 | *** join/#uphpu josephscott (n=josephsc@70-7-220-254.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 22:23.40 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v josephscott] by ChanServ |
| 22:26.40 | wps | it looks like Colloquy doesn't support socks proxy |
| 22:29.34 | wps | but I am reading that bitchX and X-chat aqua do |
| 22:29.59 | josephscott | wps: I don't think there's anything direct, you'd have to basically run a local irc proxy and then have colloquy connect to that |
| 22:30.02 | wps | I guess I'll have to try another client |
| 22:30.24 | wps | what's involved in running a local IRC proxy? |
| 22:33.48 | cro | wps: don't you want to use the MacOS proxy config panel in the Network system preferences pane? |
| 22:34.47 | thebigdog | wps xchat rocks |
| 22:35.29 | josephscott | here's one method, ssh tunnel: http://colloquy.info/project/wiki/FAQs#HowdoImakeColloquyuseanSSHtunnel |
| 22:35.44 | wps | I can't create an SSH tunnel |
| 22:35.47 | wps | SSH is blocked |
| 22:35.53 | josephscott | cro: I don't think colloquy pays attention to those settings |
| 22:36.04 | cro | ok, thx, good to know. |
| 22:36.05 | josephscott | ssh is blocked? ouch |
| 22:36.29 | wps | yeah, tell me about it |
| 22:37.49 | josephscott | wps: how about something like this: http://webscripts.softpedia.com/script/Chat-Scripts/Miau-28016.html |
| 22:39.24 | josephscott | or http://3d2f.com/programs/62-205-proxifier-for-mac-download.shtml |
| 22:39.29 | josephscott | google is your friend |
| 22:39.37 | josephscott | unless that's blocked to :-) |
| 22:49.33 | thebigdog | hehe i can tell you how to unblock ssh |
| 22:49.44 | thebigdog | or tunnel it via https |
| 22:50.27 | thebigdog | you can check out tor too |
| 22:50.33 | thebigdog | torproject.org |
| 22:50.39 | thebigdog | but i would not be looking at it at work |
| 23:10.36 | *** join/#uphpu DexterTh1Dragon (n=admin@71-32-206-104.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 23:11.40 | *** join/#uphpu beandog (n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 23:11.40 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v beandog] by ChanServ |
| 23:12.18 | carmony | aftah party? |
| 23:12.26 | beandog | aftah the meeting |
| 23:12.42 | carmony | ah |
| 23:12.49 | carmony | :( |
| 23:13.26 | beandog | :C |
| 23:13.27 | beandog | poo la la |
| 23:16.35 | beandog | whot |
| 23:16.55 | PoeticIntensity | heh... I don't think I've ever been to a UPHPU meeting where fungus was absent. |
| 23:17.27 | carmony | who plans them? |
| 23:18.26 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju is in charge. |
| 23:18.31 | beandog | mindjuju, I think |
| 23:19.25 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju plans them. |
| 23:19.30 | PoeticIntensity | and organizes them. |
| 23:19.41 | PoeticIntensity | it used to be wps, but he gave the reins over to mindjuju |
| 23:28.56 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgqE2fwKt4c&NR=1 |
| 23:36.49 | fungus | Yeah, I got tickets to see Panic at the Disco tonight. |
| 23:39.58 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=David_Bo@c-24-10-237-74.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:42.31 | redroy | Is it much faster to query for a single int verses a varchar 32 ? |
| 23:43.07 | redroy | I'm trying to set some standards and am debating if I should store flags as varchar (to read easily) or int to query faster (assuming it's faster) |
| 23:43.56 | mindjuju | so if it is a num, that you'll be using as a num, store it as a num |
| 23:44.03 | mindjuju | if it is a date, store it as a date |
| 23:44.05 | optikal | Appropriate data type and indexes/key. |
| 23:45.04 | redroy | so if I read you correctly... having say user access column would be better as ENUM 'user', 'admin' than INT 1, 2 |
| 23:45.37 | mindjuju | well, i actually do user roles in their own table |
| 23:46.04 | mindjuju | so |
| 23:46.04 | mindjuju | roleID | roleName | description |
| 23:46.16 | mindjuju | then in a seperate table |
| 23:46.36 | mindjuju | userid | roleID | expirationDate |
| 23:46.49 | mindjuju | that way i can add 100 roles and it don't bug nobody |
| 23:47.29 | redroy | oooh, I like that... |
| 23:47.33 | mindjuju | and if a user gains a new role, i'm not having to redesign everything, just sling another record, same userid, new roleID |
| 23:47.49 | mindjuju | slight correction though, cause doing 2 things at once |
| 23:48.14 | mindjuju | i'm crazy like this |
| 23:48.14 | mindjuju | rolerecordID|userID|roleID|expirationDate |
| 23:49.35 | redroy | I like that a lot actually... so does it affect query speeds much... say, when you have to join the tables? |
| 23:50.47 | mindjuju | not that i've noticed |
| 23:51.52 | mindjuju | but i'd ask eggyknap , thebigdog or others about database efficency |
| 23:51.56 | mindjuju | that's more their forte |
| 23:51.59 | redroy | cool, query speeds/indexing is still sort of a mystery to me when it comes to joining tables... so I get nervous |
| 23:52.02 | optikal | redroy: That call what he's doing "normal forms"... and there are multiple levels of it. Most people use 3NF for best results... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization#Normal_forms |
| 23:52.19 | dataw0lf | /w/win 2 |
| 23:52.22 | dataw0lf | grr |
| 23:52.27 | optikal | Proper DB schema now, in a db that will grow vastly, will save yourself a great amount of time and headaches. |
| 23:52.55 | mindjuju | yeah, very true that. took me months to get our databases normalized |
| 23:52.59 | optikal | It'll also allow you to craft more complicated queries easier, and much faster. |
| 23:53.05 | mindjuju | (when i first hired on) |
| 23:53.14 | optikal | ugh... I wouldn't even want to touch something like that, heh. |
| 23:53.16 | mindjuju | but now they zip along and are easily extensible |
| 23:53.34 | optikal | I did a lot of performance tuning when I started at my current company, but nothing to that level... it's 3NF already. |
| 23:53.38 | mindjuju | oh dude optikal, not only were they like norm 0, but they were access databases, 60+ on production server |
| 23:53.42 | mindjuju | i crap you not |
| 23:53.55 | optikal | yack. |
| 23:53.58 | mindjuju | course, server was crashing 3x a day |
| 23:54.13 | optikal | No doubt. |
| 23:54.30 | optikal | heh. I did index optimzations and improved average DB performance by 122%. |
| 23:54.35 | redroy | very cool, thanks for the link as well |
| 23:54.45 | optikal | I laughed, but didn't say much... I got a lot of credit for very little work, heh. |
| 23:54.46 | mindjuju | that's awesome. I need to do more work on indexes |
| 23:54.47 | redroy | looks like I need to do some reading |
| 23:55.15 | optikal | http://www.sql-server-performance.com/ has had some good links recently. |
| 23:55.35 | mindjuju | brb, got to finish setting up for tonight's meet |
| 23:55.39 | optikal | I'm not even a DBA, so I don't dive real deep... but I am the current DBA, heh. |
| 23:56.03 | optikal | Looking to hire a skilled DBA with data warehousing and or oltp experience if anyone knows someone... |
| 23:56.41 | optikal | Also looking for a Windows System Admin to work along side me and that I will share some load with. |
| 23:57.03 | mindjuju | optikal - you may want to talk to eggyknap about a dba, he's copres of utah database users group |
| 23:57.12 | optikal | ooh, thank you. |
| 23:57.13 | mindjuju | he may know somebody, he's in here, but away from desk |
| 23:58.31 | optikal | Nice, I just messaged him. Thanks again for the lead, hoping we can get someone rockin in there... we're going to need it in the next 18mos. |
