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00:51.33synicanyone about for some css help?
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01:34.01macnewboldsorry, synic, just got back to my desk. did you find what you needed?
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02:08.29synicmacnewbold: nah.  http://www.vimtips.org.  The line separating the two columns is two 3px borders overlapping.  I noticed that if you resize the font from the browser, sometimes the border doesn't overlap correctly
02:08.34synicnot quite sure how to fix it
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05:08.31Carmony_iPhoneHello!
05:10.16Carmony_iPhoneTesting my iPhone app.
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05:37.42thebigdoghello
05:37.47thebigdogiphones suck
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15:01.10carmonygood morning
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15:27.58SunSparcGood Morning!!!
15:28.10Utah_Davemorning!
15:28.19SunSparc:)
15:28.30SunSparcNice and brisk out there again today
15:28.34Utah_Daveyep
15:28.46Utah_DaveSunSparc: so how are you liking your new office in AF?
15:29.23SunSparcYeah, it's a lot bigger.  Which is what we needed.  We had really outgrown our old place.
15:29.42Utah_Davecool
15:29.43SunSparcAdds more time to my commute, but it's not that bad.
15:29.56SunSparcI don't have to get on i-15 so that is nice
15:30.12jsmithmindjuju1: Got a second?
15:30.12Utah_DaveYeah, I avoid I-15, too
15:30.47SunSparcGood thing ;)
15:38.18mgearyhey, mindjuju1, don't you use MS SQL?
15:38.34mgearyor does anyone here?
15:38.57mgearyi've got a file that is from MSSQL that i need to get into table-based CSV files so i can create a MySQL version
15:40.32jsmithmgeary: Should be easy to export from MSSQL
15:40.40jsmithmgeary: (or through TDS, etc.)
15:40.40mgearyjsmith: i don't have access to MSSQL
15:40.47mgearyi just have a .bak file
15:41.04mgearyi tried opening it with Access, but no dice
15:41.13jsmithmgeary: Hmmmn.. I don't know if the free scaled-down version of MSSQL (still called Jet?) supports the .bak files
15:41.35jsmithIt's been too long since I've worried about Windows boxen
15:46.09mgearyhttp://www.usefulshortcuts.com/databases/mssql-to-mysql.php
15:46.12mgearylooks like a pita
15:47.51jsmithmgeary: Well, that's the gist of it, yes
15:47.59jsmithIt's a pain, but I don't know how else you'd do it
15:48.22jsmithSunSparc: Yummmmmmy....
15:48.26SunSparc:)
15:50.11SunSparcAnyone else here have the new iPhone 3G?
15:50.27mgearyyes
15:50.50SunSparcmgeary: You probably already got this, but I just got it so thought I would share it.  http://www.apple.com/support/usbadapter/exchangeprogram/
15:51.01mgearyyeah, i've already received my replacement
15:51.09SunSparcCool
15:52.16carmonymgeary: I worked with MS SQL for about 2 years which ended at the beginning of this year, so I probably can help you figure it out if you need to :p
15:52.25mgearythanks
15:52.41mgearygoing to try working through those steps on that link in Parallels
15:52.48mgearyi'll ping you when (not if) i get stuck
15:52.56carmonylol, k ;)
15:53.44carmonyyuck, those instructions are kinda old :p
15:53.54mgearygot anything better?
15:54.16carmonyYeah, use....
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15:54.47carmonymeh, they've changed everything around on your website
15:54.49carmonytheir*
15:56.00carmonyhrm, its all 2008 now. Well, I'd get SQL 2008 Express
15:56.05carmonyhttp://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/2008/en/us/express.aspx
15:56.12thebigdog<PROTECTED>
15:56.26carmonylol
15:56.45thebigdogmove the mouse away from the button
15:56.58carmonyLOL, why thebigdog? :P
15:57.12thebigdogsql server is horrible
15:57.47carmonyoh, I know, but he needs to migrate from mssql to mysql
15:58.19carmonymgeary, what version of MS SQL is that .bak from?
15:58.24mgearyno idea
15:59.30carmonyyou can install SQL 2008 Express w/ Tools
15:59.42carmonyit'll install the server and the management tool
16:00.25mgearyk
16:00.37carmonyyou can restore the backup
16:01.02carmonyand then export to CSV
16:01.05SunSparcNew Apple laptop revealed in 1 hour.
16:01.32carmony:O
16:01.39carmonyMy sister in-law is gonna kill me
16:01.54mgearyyou had her buy one last week?
16:01.59carmonyno, 3 weeks ago
16:02.06mgearynice
16:02.07SunSparcheh
16:02.07carmonybut she had been debating for like.... 9 months
16:02.18carmonyshe is seriously indecisive
16:03.03DexterTheDragonthey're just going to be more shin
16:04.50thebigdogSunSparc, yes and i hope the prices come down on the mbp
16:05.04thebigdogi have been waiting for mine
16:06.53SunSparcHmm, that would be nice, thebigdog, but I would not hold my breath.
16:09.01mgearyprices never come down on the new models. You can get good deals on refurbs and previous generations, though
16:09.34thebigdogyeah i was hoping that with the market they would drop with the announcement
16:12.05carmonylol, I dunno why I had this thought, but Apple could take a pony, brand an "Apple" logo in it's rear, call it the iPony and make millions :P
16:13.58SunSparcI do not feel the need to own a pony.  But if Apple was selling one, I might consider it.
16:14.31mgearywell, you know, Apple's iPony would be.... different. Better.
16:14.42SunSparccarmony: You should tell them about your idea:  http://www.apple.com/feedback/
16:14.46mgeary~stevejobsify carmony
16:14.47jbotACTION drags carmony by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front row center of the Moscone Center at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address until carmonys eyes glaze over and he calms down
16:14.58carmonylol
16:17.14SunSparcFor those who have not seen it, this makes iTunes even better:  http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=156
16:17.33mgearyyeah, i just got that set up, as well
16:17.42mgearyhowever, i was under the impression it would also stream my movies
16:17.44SunSparcPretty sweet
16:17.55SunSparcYeah, that would make it perfect.
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16:22.08mgearyi love how even today, downloading things from Microsoft gives you installers named "SQLEXPRWT_x86_ENU.exe"
16:22.14mgearywe've come so far
16:22.20carmonyso how yesterday mentioned Zucca's?
16:22.48carmonywho*
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16:38.07SunSparchttp://openoffice.org/
16:39.17thebigdogthat is awesome though
16:39.26SunSparcYeah
16:39.41SunSparcTorrent downloads are wicked fast, if you are wanting to get it.
16:41.50carmony2 MB/s, which for my cable I haven't seen go faster
16:42.04mgearyhrm, i'm getting "file is corrupt" errors on trying to install the SQL Express package
16:42.23carmonyyuck, bad download?
16:42.49mgearywell, i tried both the _86 and the _64 versions, thinking maybe i picked the wrong one, but they both give the same error
16:43.52synicanyone in here want to help me out with my little css problem?  I'm a design idiot.
16:44.31carmonyare you running on a 64bit machine?
16:44.48carmonyI should say 64bit windows OS
16:45.03mgearywell, it's within Parallels, on OS X
16:45.23carmonyhrm....
16:45.31mgearyam i going to have to use a "real" Windows machine? :P
16:45.35carmony_86 should work
16:45.40carmonyI guess
16:45.43carmonythat sucks if it does
16:46.22mgearywell, if you have to deal with M$, "it sucks" is a foregone conclusion
16:50.00thebigdogmgeary, what version of windows did you install 32b or 64b
16:50.33mgearywell, actually, i think the problem may be that you have to install 3 things before you can install SQL Express
16:50.52mgearyand i'm seeing now that it's going to want more HD space than i've got available in Parallels
16:51.04mgearyand my Win machine is a W2k machine, which doesn't appear to be compatible
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16:51.33mgearyis there anyone here that has a MSSQL install that would be willing to restore and export out a .bak file for me? I can pay for your time
16:51.41carmonyI thought OOo could save as docx files?
16:51.57thebigdogmgeary mindjuju1 might be able ot do it for ya
16:52.11mgearyyeah, i pinged him, but he appears to be in a coma
16:54.43thebigdogthat stupid trance music
17:01.51SunSparcAnd the MacBook 2008 Event begins:  http://live.gizmodo.com/
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17:07.50mgearybah
17:08.10mgearymindjuju1: come back to us!
17:08.58SunSparc~ping mindjuju
17:09.00jbotpong mindjuju
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17:27.18mindjuju~apb sunsparc, mgeary jsmith, thebigdog
17:27.18jbotACTION calls Leland to find sunsparc, mgeary jsmith, thebigdog
17:27.25mgearyoh sure
17:27.28mgearyNOW you ping us
17:27.43mindjujusorry, was doing video stuff so away from office
17:28.24jsmithmindjuju: Now worries... I was just going to make you jealous: http://www.flickr.com/photos/websmith/tags/shenandoah/
17:30.03mindjujugrrr!
17:30.07mindjujui miss virginia!
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17:33.04itimbermorning guys
17:33.24carmonymornign itimber
17:33.39carmonywas it you who mentioned Zucca's yesterday?
17:34.55jsmithmindjuju: Did a couple of really nice hikes this weekend, and generally hung out and practiced my dutch-oven cooking
17:35.07jsmithmindjuju: It was a *wonderful* way to blow off some steam
17:36.58mindjujui'm jealous
17:37.02mindjujuthat country is soo pretty
17:37.43mindjujucan't think of the name of the state park, but there was one that was like 10 minutes away that i'd drive to some times to read for school
17:37.54mindjujuand then on sundays, go up to the blue ridge parkway and chill
17:38.08mgearyi could really use some "chill"
17:38.31mgearytaking the fam to D-land tomorrow evening, but with everything else that's going on, i'll probably just be stressing while on Splash Mountain
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17:42.49itimbercarmony: yes
17:43.39itimberwhy?
17:47.10carmonywent there last night with the wife, it was pretty good :)
17:47.46itimberthat's good
17:47.54itimberwill have to try it
17:48.02carmonyHave you tried Sonora's over at the Junction in Ogden?
17:48.11itimberwhereabouts do you live carmony
17:48.13itimberno
17:48.13carmonySonora Grill I think the name actually is
17:48.25carmonyI live in South Ogden, Washington Terrace to be exact
17:48.30itimberright on
17:48.35carmonyyou?
17:48.45itimberNorth end of Ogden
17:48.52carmonyah, the "other side"
17:48.53itimber2nd and Washington
17:49.09carmonyoh wow, you really are up there
17:49.19carmonydo you work in ogden?
17:49.43itimber21st and I15
17:49.49itimberright off the exit
17:49.54itimberu?
17:50.04carmonyI work from home :)
17:50.23carmonyWhat company do you work for?
17:50.51itimberme
17:50.54itimberrun my own gig
17:51.00itimbergot a main client though
17:51.05itimberso I work from his office
17:51.08itimberin the back
17:51.12itimber:)
17:51.19itimberu?
17:51.45carmonyI'm working contracted full time for a dating website right now, I also do work on the side for some other small businesses
17:54.31itimbercool
17:54.46itimberwe should do lunch sometime
17:54.50itimberbeing so close and all
17:55.02carmonydefinitely. I don't know too many php guys in Ogden
17:55.39macnewbold~yow
17:55.45itimberOgden? You're the only other one I know.... Know many across the Wasatch Front though
17:55.57macnewbold~cookie
17:56.21carmonyyeah, well the other people who I know do PHP are more general programmers who dabble in PHP.
17:57.52itimberthebigdog, redroy and cro are close to Ogden
17:58.04carmonylayton area?
17:58.05itimberand a few others I believe
17:58.17itimberroy, layton, etc
17:58.23DexterTheDragonI'm in Ogden
17:58.26SunSparcthebigdog: the MacBook is cheaper, but the Pro is not.
17:58.38itimberyou are???
17:58.42itimberholy moly
17:58.48itimberI didn't realize that
17:58.54itimberwhereabouts do you live?
17:59.57itimberand work?
18:01.31itimber(DexterTheDragon)
18:01.32macnewboldthebigdog, SunSparc: that's not what I heard... our guys were saying that all three (MacBook, Pro, and Air) were upgraded and had lowered in price. but I got that second hand.
18:01.49macnewboldDexterTheDragon works in SLC but lives by Ogden
18:02.05macnewboldone of our other guys is from up that way too, and one from Roy, and one from Layton.
18:02.15DexterTheDragonitimber: I live out in west weber
18:02.28macnewboldbut the roy and layton guys aren't PHP guys so much as HTML/CSS/JavaScript guys
18:02.29itimbercool
18:02.30SunSparcmacnewbold: I am just going off what I have seen so far on http://live.gizmodo.com/
18:02.45itimberJS guys.... who needs them  :)
18:02.47itimberhehe
18:02.58itimberjk thebigdog
18:03.51itimbermindjuju: can we stream the Thursday meeting?
18:03.54itimberPLEASE
18:03.59fungushttp://store.apple.com/
18:04.03itimberI'd love to see that one
18:06.16carmonyI don't like the new macbooks
18:06.21carmonyI like mine :)
18:06.47itimberI like the new MacBook Pros, but not enough to upgrade
18:07.16funguscarmony: I tell myself that too.
18:07.22fungusIt saves me lots of money.
18:07.26carmonywell I don't like hte no-button approach
18:08.02itimberThe 17" MBP is still using the old design
18:08.05itimber:/
18:08.36itimberI would love a 320 internal drive though
18:11.38SunSparccarmony: With Apple products, you should not say you do not like something until you have put your hands on it and tried it.
18:12.45carmonySunSparc: true
18:13.04carmonySo now I'm just doubtful ;)
18:13.11SunSparc:)
18:13.27carmonyI'll have to wait till best buy gets some in stock and check them out
18:14.49carmonyand I don't see anything under $1,000 still
18:14.58itimber:(
18:15.02carmonyOh, the iPhone had me at first touch ;)
18:15.06itimberLOL
18:15.11fungusshh.  (not listening).  Must save money.
18:15.22SunSparcApple products are worth every penny.  Start saving up.
18:15.26carmonyI have a iPhone v1 sittingon my desk
18:15.30carmonynot being used
18:15.39DexterTheDragonI'll take it
18:15.47carmonyproblem is that the ear speaker went all cracklie
18:16.02carmonyand it would be $150 to have apple fix it
18:16.14carmonyso I added andother $49 and got the new one
18:16.25SunSparc:)
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18:17.08carmony:p
18:18.05carmonyI love my iPhone.... but the iPhone SDK is a 100% different story
18:22.22SunSparcThe iPhone simulator is pretty cool.
18:24.08carmonyyeah, but the SDK is MAJORLY lacking in some areas
18:28.31carmonylike web services, xml parsing, and documentation :p
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18:58.03mgearycarmony: you making an irc client for iphone?
18:58.07mgearyor are you using ssh
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19:00.15justingiboneyI am such a retard: I accidentally made my drupal administrator not have admin rights... what can I do to the db to fix this?
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19:05.08Carmony_iPhoneTesting Orc on 3g
19:05.15Carmony_iPhoneGrrr irc
19:06.08mgearyheh
19:06.10mgearynice auto-complete
19:07.02Carmony_iPhoneI know. Gotta love it.
19:07.29Carmony_iPhoneI'm in my car waiting at the drive through at warrens.
19:07.30mgearybut that's cool that you're making an irc client
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19:10.06brastohey guys, if I want to send all outbound mail to another host, what option do I use in the config file for sendmail or postfix?
19:11.55mindjujubrasto, you may want to summon thebigdog or fungus for a question like that
19:12.34funguspostfix relayhost = <hostname>
19:13.38fungussendmail http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x15291.html#AEN15362
19:16.10mindjuju~fungus++
19:16.41mindjujuanybody see a problem with adding http://ppa.launchpad.net/jaromil/ubuntu  to my /etc/apt/sources ?
19:20.52jsmithAny drupal gurus around?
19:21.18mindjujunot that i know of
19:21.23mgearyjustingiboney is apparently a drupal wizard
19:21.29mgeary;)
19:21.30mindjujui try to kepe a log in my brain of skillset / user
19:24.22eggyknap.oO("ImStuck: Skillzbot, who's a Drupal guru?"  "Skillzbot: ImStuck, I consider you talk to DrupGod, druPaul, or dpMeister")
19:24.25mindjujuyeah, that would be cool
19:26.21fungusdruPaul ~ RuPaul ?
19:28.48thebigdogjsmith, ask away
19:29.22jsmiththebigdog: OK, you asked for it.. I've written some code that runs fine as a node,  but I'd like to move some of the functions into my theme, so that other nodes can call the same functions.  If I move the functions to template.php, they work fine when I preview the node, but when I save the node and view it the functions aren't available
19:29.39jsmiththebigdog: I'm assuming I have to include my template.php file somehow, but I can't find the proper way to do that
19:29.58thebigdogmy job is done here
19:30.32thebigdogjsmith i am sorry i have no idea
19:38.20SunSparcAnyone have any idea how much slower the solid state drives are compared to the sata drives?
19:38.23brastothank you fungus
19:39.14thebigdogSunSparc they are faster not slower
19:39.21mindjujuyup, faster
19:39.28thebigdogno moving parts
19:39.33thebigdogall memory
19:39.48mindjujubut you have limited number of writes, though my understanding is that, that number is in the millions
19:39.57thebigdogman i remember back in the day when we got an 18g ssd for an oracle database it was so fast
19:40.02SunSparcthebigdog: sweet!
19:40.39thebigdogSunSparc i am not sure of the performance though on the new ssd
19:40.49thebigdogthe one i had was a rank mounted drive
19:41.55SunSparcthebigdog: I was just looking at the ssd vs sata drives in the new MacBook Pro's.  The ssd is bigger than my current drive.  Sweet!  Although it is $500 more.
19:42.25jsmiththebigdog: If you're going the SSD route, make sure it's an Intel-branded SSD... they blow the competition out of the water
19:42.45thebigdoggood to know ty for the info jsmith
19:42.56jsmithNo worries
19:43.06thebigdogi was looking at the too SunSparc i would love that but $500 is crazy
19:43.19thebigdogesp when you are about to dump like 3k already
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19:43.25SunSparcthebigdog: Yes indeed.  $500 for a drive is not in my budget.
19:43.30thebigdogbut what is an extra 50
19:43.34SunSparchehe
19:43.36thebigdogbut what is an extra 500
19:44.03thebigdogi like the the way they design though
19:44.07thebigdogthe cas
19:44.07SunSparcGood point.  $4k is pretty close to $3k anyway
19:44.07thebigdogcase
19:44.24thebigdogthat reminds me of orange county choppers how they do their engines
19:44.25SunSparcThe case is amazing!  A solid piece of aluminum.  Wow!
19:45.43thebigdogthat episode was cool to see how it gets cut out
19:46.15SunSparcI don't watch the show, but I am sure it was cool.
19:46.40SunSparcThe presentation today had a couple of production photos of the MacBook's
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20:02.51carmonyI'm just glad I'm not a tech for Apple
20:03.00SunSparcwhy?
20:03.01carmonyI can't imagine how it is going to be like trying to repair those new macbooks
20:03.30SunSparcJust slip the innards out and work on them directly
20:12.59carmonyAnyone here use Virtualization Software on their PC?
20:13.05carmonyWindows to be percise
20:13.18fungusPC yes, Windows no
20:13.41SunSparcI use Parallels on my Mac PC
20:14.09fungusand VMware Fusion on the Mac
20:15.57carmonyI've been using VirtualBox
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20:18.22itimberParallels here
20:18.35itimberbut I'm not a big fan.... it's supa slow
20:21.01SunSparcYup, it can be.  But probably screams on the new MacBook Pro.
20:24.32itimberI'm on a MBP
20:24.37itimber2gigs of Ram
20:24.48itimber2.33 Intel Dual Core
20:24.55itimberit's slow bro
20:25.24itimberand it hogs Ram, even after it's closed
20:25.29SunSparcSimilar to mine.  Depends on what I am running.
20:25.39thebigdogcarmony, i use virtualbox too
20:25.48thebigdogand some vmware
20:55.43optikalAnyone know any System Admins looking for a job?
20:56.12SunSparcWait, let me ask him and see if he is still looking...
20:56.15wpsif I want Apache to parse PHP within files with .html extensions (or any other custom extension), where do I set that?
20:56.28wpsI thought it was in httpd.conf, but I'm not seeing it
20:56.44SunSparcwps: It is, in the httpd.conf, or one of the included files.
20:56.55wpsI know where to set what files Apache will grab as an index, but not for parsing
20:56.57SunSparcIt is where it specifies the .php file extension
20:56.59_psychic_look for AddType
20:57.02SunSparcYeah
20:57.05SunSparcOr look for .php
20:57.06_psychic_AddType application/x-httpd-php .html
20:57.09_psychic_or something like that
21:00.16wpsthat looks right, _psychic_
21:00.21wps(found it on another machine)
21:02.34optikalWhile I'm at it, anyone know a SQL DBA looking for a job?  Experience in data warehousing and oltp is a big plus.
21:09.08jsmithAnybody interested in a full-time PHP development position?
21:11.32unumI just lost two weeks worth of data because of failed backups...
21:11.36unumI might be looking for a new job
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21:15.33wps_psychic_: if I want both .php and .html files to be able to contain PHP code, do I do this?
21:15.48_psychic_AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
21:15.49_psychic_AddType application/x-httpd-php .html
21:15.52_psychic_I think
21:16.01SunSparcYou can put them both in the same line, iirc
21:16.07wpsthat's what I was wondering, if you have two lines, or do this:
21:16.15wpsAddType application/x-httpd-php .html .php
21:16.17_psychic_yeah tru dat
21:16.27wpsboth will work?
21:16.41SunSparcShould
21:16.52beandogdont forget .phps
21:17.40_psychic_I would
21:18.06SunSparcI never use it, but I can be handy, if you need that sort of thing
21:18.50_psychic_I never need the exposing of my source code on a webserver.
21:27.05thebigdogunum hehe
21:29.02DexterTheDragonunum: do those two lines coincide wiith each other?
21:29.32unumDexterTheDragon: yes
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21:30.09tierra;)
21:31.13unumI need to start testing those things on a daily basis
21:31.22unumI checked to make sure they were increasing in size
21:31.30unumbut hadn't tried to unzip them for over a week
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21:39.20_psychic_it's called rsync
21:39.30SunSparcYeah, rsync rocks
21:39.34SunSparc~rsync++
21:39.42SunSparc~karma rsync
21:39.42jbotrsync has karma of 3
21:39.50mgeary_~rsync++
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21:39.58mgeary~karma rsync
21:39.58jbotrsync has karma of 4
21:40.04mgeary~karma mgeary
21:40.04jbotmgeary has karma of 9
21:40.10mgeary~karma thebigdog
21:40.10jbotthebigdog has karma of 9
21:40.11_psychic_yeah so *I* bring up rsync, and it gets all the karma?
21:40.16_psychic_I see how it works.
21:40.18_psychic_;)
21:44.34itimberI'm out guys.... later
21:44.48wpsitimber working thebig hours now?
21:45.00SunSparcSheesh
21:45.08SunSparc~_psychic_++
21:45.14SunSparc;)
21:46.33mgeary~karma _psychic_
21:46.33jbot_psychic_ has karma of 2
21:46.43mgearydude. you've gotta patch that karma leak  you've got there
21:46.55mgeary~karma _psychic_
21:46.55jbot_psychic_ has karma of 2
21:47.06mgeary~karma _psychic_
21:47.06jbot_psychic_ has karma of 2
21:47.08mgearyhrm
21:47.17mgearywell, my attempts to inflate it aren't working
21:47.26mgeary~_psychic_++
21:47.27_psychic_I'm karma-proof it seems.
21:47.35mgeary~karma _psychic_
21:47.35jbot_psychic_ has karma of 3
21:47.38mgearythere we go
21:48.52_psychic_~indulgence _psychic_
21:49.05_psychic_~animal_sacrifice _psychic_
21:49.14_psychic_~virgin_sacrifice _psychic_
21:49.49SunSparc_psychic_: Are you looking for a miracle?
21:50.43_psychic_always.
21:50.50mgearycan i get one as well?
21:51.46SunSparcjbot, a round robin of miracles for every one, please.
21:52.00SunSparc~miracle _psychic_
21:52.01jbotACTION it would be the second most amazing miracle ever if _psychic_ actually could play an entire game without a tk, actually hitting what _psychic_ is shooting at AND paying attention to team play tactics
21:52.17SunSparcROFL
21:56.35carmonyLOL
21:56.53carmonyMan, I'm in dire need of a good TF2 or COD4 game :
21:56.55carmony:p
21:57.12SunSparccarmony: Bring it!
21:57.16SunSparcToday at 17:00
21:57.20SunSparcgames.mediarain.com
21:57.22carmonyI was going to ask you, what is your server ip?
21:58.00carmonygot it :)
21:58.09SunSparc:)
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21:58.41carmonyTF2 or COD4 Today? :P And who plays on these servers?
21:59.38SunSparcMost likely CoD4, but I can try to talk everyone into TF2.  More people have CoD4 installed though.  Mostly mediarain employees, ex-employees, friends
22:00.40carmonyHrm... I have to see if my COD4 is up to date :p
22:00.49PoeticIntensityoptikal, I know someone who is looking for an admin position...
22:00.51SunSparcHurry up!
22:00.54PoeticIntensityjsmith, PM sent
22:01.17jsmithPoeticIntensity: Got it!
22:01.26carmonyI wish got CoD4 on Steam... makes updates easy ;)
22:01.56SunSparcYeah, I never worry about updates.  :)
22:02.23SunSparcSteam rocks.  I just wish is ran native on OS X.
22:02.40carmonyI have 1.5... need 1.7
22:03.14carmonyMy old steam ID before I went on my mission and lost the account was 200ish
22:04.33SunSparcWow, been a while.
22:06.00_psychic_SunSparc: *who* has a problem with tk's?
22:07.40_psychic_and as a result, so did I.
22:07.42_psychic_*mister*.
22:07.48SunSparcTis true.
22:07.59SunSparcI am to remedy that in about an hour.
22:07.59_psychic_You have decent reflexes, I'll give you that.
22:08.14_psychic_You're going to be on the other team so I can shoot you?
22:08.15_psychic_;)
22:08.26SunSparcToo decent sometimes.  Shooting before I know who it is.
22:08.52SunSparcHehe, sure _psychic_, I will be on the other side so that shooting you will be a good thing.
22:09.19SunSparcIf I can stay away from your scope
22:09.37_psychic_and my nades. ;)
22:09.38carmonyhow good are the people who play on the server? :P
22:09.52_psychic_compared to what?
22:09.56SunSparc_psychic_: Yeah, you are a pro with nades, for sure.  I have watched you many a time.
22:10.22SunSparccarmony: We are not up to par with the average 12 year olds that play all day, if that is what you are asking.
22:10.33SunSparcWell, _psychic_ might be.
22:10.42SunSparcAnd Andy sometimes.
22:11.10_psychic_carmony: would you say you're worse or better than the average player?
22:12.11carmonyUm, probably better than the average player
22:12.22_psychic_cool
22:12.30_psychic_half of us are that way
22:12.33_psychic_and the rest are more new
22:12.39mgearyhah
22:13.04_psychic_?
22:13.20mgeary_psychic_: don't you mean "half of us are better than the median player" ;) ?
22:13.26carmonyI've had a lot of practice and have played with some REALLY good people. I'm the CIO for this company: http://www.cevo.com/
22:14.15_psychic_mgeary: the average includes all players, not just the ones here. we can all be better than the average player since we don't consist of the entire sample group
22:14.16_psychic_so there
22:14.18carmonyBut I haven't played in a few months ;)
22:14.51_psychic_slacker
22:15.12_psychic_no idea how we'd fit in if we played in a tournament
22:16.33carmonymaybe we should put a team together for next CEVO-A season :)
22:22.32Utah_DaveI have a sed / regex question
22:22.52Utah_Davecurrently, this works for me and returns the corresponding line:
22:22.53Utah_Davesed -n -e "/('Vermont')/p" ./test.html
22:23.13Utah_DaveThis doesn't return anything:
22:23.24Utah_Davesed -n -e "/('[:alpha:]')/p" ./test.html
22:23.45thebigdogremove the single quotes
22:23.49Utah_DaveBasically, "Vermont" could be "Maine" or any other state.
22:24.04Utah_Davethebigdog: the single quotes are in the text though
22:24.15Utah_Davedo I need to escape the single quotes?
22:24.58Utah_DaveThis is what it's matching against:
22:24.59Utah_Dave<area shape="RECT" alt="Vermont" coords="333,23,351,36" href="javascript:setAction('Vermont')" />
22:25.13PoeticIntensityoptikal, PM sent
22:26.32_psychic_gotta be 1.7
22:27.07carmonyyup, but I got to install 1.6, then 1.7 :)
22:27.47Utah_Davethebigdog: will [:alpha:] match just one character or unlimited characters?
22:28.10carmonyIt'll be nice to play full out again. When friends come over for to play cod4 for 360, I'm only allowed to use pistols..... :p
22:29.11carmonyand that was decicded when I went 50 kills to 10 on a 3 v 1
22:31.12dataw0lfyou got XBox Live?
22:31.13thebigdogUtah_Dave, they would be used in []
22:31.31thebigdoglike this [[:alpha:]]
22:31.33dataw0lfcarmony ^^
22:31.42thebigdogUtah_Dave, they are posix though
22:31.48thebigdogso you might need to add that to sed
22:31.52thebigdog--posix
22:32.27thebigdogUtah_Dave, so yes they would be 1 char unless you have something after the []
22:32.57Utah_Daveok
22:33.55Utah_DaveI tried an asterisk, but no dice
22:35.57Utah_DaveSo, this works:  sed -n -e "/('Vermont')/p" ./test.html
22:36.14Utah_Davewhat should I do to match any text in place of Vermont?
22:38.24thebigdoglet me check it out
22:38.37dataw0lfcarmony: let me know if you want to play CoD 4 on Xbox Live.
22:38.49dataw0lfmy gamer tag is, simple enough, dataw0lf.
22:40.55thebigdogUtah_Dave, sed -r -n -e "/('[a-zA-Z]+')/p" test.html
22:41.35thebigdogor
22:41.51thebigdogUtah_Dave, sed -r -n -e "/('[[:alpha:]]+')/p" test.html
22:42.00Utah_Davelet me try those
22:42.00thebigdogthose both work on my cool system
22:42.08thebigdogdataw0lf, i have a question for ya
22:43.50carmonydataw0lf: yes
22:43.54carmonyusername: carmony
22:43.54carmony;)
22:46.44carmonySunSparc: so you work for mediarain?
22:46.59thebigdog~slap perl
22:46.59jbotACTION slaps perl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
22:47.07dataw0lfthebigdog: hm?
22:47.34SunSparccarmony: Correct
22:48.01thebigdogdataw0lf, so in ubuntu you can have wireless profiles...is there a way to set them so that they have certain hosts listed
22:48.08carmonydo you guys do website re-designs?
22:49.05SunSparccarmony: Yes, we do.  :)
22:50.29carmonyMaybe one day I'll have to hire you guys to help me re-design www.datingdna.com :p
22:52.06dataw0lfthebigdog: I dunno, I haven't used Linux as a desktop in a while.
22:52.33SunSparccarmony: We would be happy to sit down with you and talk it over.  :)
22:52.47thebigdogdataw0lf, you are banned
22:53.04thebigdogcarmony, my number is 666-111-333
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22:53.26SunSparclol
22:53.45dataw0lfcarmony: when do you usually play?
22:53.46carmonylol
22:53.53carmonyI can actually give out custom numbers
22:54.08carmonybut I really don't need it cause I'm happily married :)
22:54.55thebigdogso who has 696969696
22:55.04carmonylol
22:55.14carmonydataw0lf: um, sparatically latelyu
22:55.14thebigdoghehe
22:55.17carmonylately*
22:55.23thebigdogi am so bored
22:55.41thebigdogk who is going to the rsl game saturday?
22:55.45carmonythebigdog: make me a sandwitch!
22:55.51carmonythat'll keep you not bored :p
22:56.17dataw0lfwell I added you as a friend, accept when ya can.
22:56.40thebigdogno one is heading to the game
22:56.51thebigdogi think i might need to pick me up a laptop tonight
22:57.37carmonylol, do you have season tickets thebigdog?
22:58.23thebigdogno i got them for me and my daughter
22:58.43thebigdogi have a buddy that gets some great prices
22:58.50SunSparcIt is time.
22:58.58dataw0lfin fact, I'm going to go pwn at CoD 4 right now.  Woot for getting out of work early.
23:00.42thebigdogwow new mbp will cost me only 3118
23:01.12wpswhat options did you add, thebigdog ?
23:01.26thebigdogsata @7200
23:01.41thebigdogit is the 17"
23:01.47wpsoh
23:01.59thebigdogand 2.6cpu
23:02.29wpsI'm getting the new MacBook Pro 2.8
23:03.13thebigdogi dont see that option
23:03.34wpson this page…
23:03.35wpshttp://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro?mco=MTE4NDY
23:03.40wpsselect the 2.53
23:03.52wpsthen, you can configure it to a 2.8 proc
23:04.15thebigdogon that is the 15"
23:04.21wpsthat, 4 GB RAM, and a 350 GB 7200 RPM HD
23:04.27wpsoh baby :)
23:04.30wpsyes, only in a 15"
23:04.42wpsthe 17"s are the new cases either
23:05.05wpsthe new 15"s have two processors too
23:05.29wpsNVIDIA GeForce 9400M + 9600M GT with 512MB
23:05.38wpsgetting one for myself from work and one for my wife from my own pocket
23:06.05thebigdogman they need that in the 17"
23:06.38wpsit will be interesting to see what they do with the 17"
23:06.49wpsif they upgrade it to the new style or discontinue it
23:06.54wpsI don't think they sell many 17"s
23:07.34thebigdogi loved the one i had
23:07.37thebigdogit was awesome
23:07.54thebigdogi wish the priced dropped on them so i could get it cheaper
23:08.18thebigdogthat 15" is not bad though
23:08.35wpsthe new machines are incredible
23:08.44wpsmy only complaint is that matte display is no longer an option
23:08.48wpsI hate glossy displays
23:08.50mgearyeww
23:08.52mgearyme too
23:08.58wpsthey are nice if you are in a dark room
23:09.08wpsbut if there are any lights on or any windows, you're screwed
23:09.24mgearybah
23:09.25wpsthey are great for marketing… make computers look beautiful in the store
23:09.31wpsbut suck for actually getting work done
23:14.29thebigdogso now everyone is blowing out their 15"
23:15.32mgearyi don't see anything in the new machines that make me wow. Someone give me the short version
23:17.20wpsLED displays
23:17.31wpsstronger case
23:17.33wpsglass trackpad
23:17.41wpsno physical button on the trackpad
23:17.43thebigdogvideo card
23:17.51wpstwo video cards
23:18.09mgearywait, LED, not LCD?
23:18.13wpsyes, LED
23:18.19mgearyso much less power usage?
23:18.23mgearyany stats on that?
23:18.35mgearyugh. i like a physical button on the trackpad
23:18.38wpsyes, less power… instant on… brighter… more vibrant
23:18.52mgearytwo video cards is impressive
23:19.00wpsbetter battery live
23:19.02wps5 hours
23:19.05mgearyyeah, sure
23:19.10mgearyi'll believe that when i see it
23:19.15wpsagreed
23:19.16mgearybut 3.5 wouldn't be bad
23:19.24wpsbut if it's even a little better… that's always nice
23:19.35mgearydon't see the point in the glass trackpad. one more thing to shatter
23:19.36wpsthe cases are now cut from a single piece of aluminum
23:19.39wpsstronger
23:20.10mgearythe glass trackpad is stronger? or the case is now stronger?
23:20.14wpsthe case
23:20.31mgearygotcha
23:20.49mgearyokay, so some decent PROs. The CONs for me: new trackpad and only glossy display
23:21.05wpsyeah, glossy sucks
23:21.17wpsbut I'd rather have a glossy Mac than a non-glossy anything else
23:21.26mgearytrue
23:21.27mgearybut meh
23:21.57jsmithI'd rather stick with my non-glossy MBP running Linux
23:22.50wpsjsmith… I'll give you $4,000 to buy a new computer
23:22.53wpsfree
23:23.02wpsI don't have $4,000, but I'll still do it
23:23.05wpsnot sure how
23:23.13wpsbut the government can do that, so why can't I?
23:23.30jsmithExactly... and now the gov't is buying *stock* in private banks?!?
23:23.40jsmithAnd everybody's just going along with it?
23:23.45wpsinfuriates me
23:23.55jsmith(except for Steve Jobs... who is buying stock in aluminum mines)
23:24.00wps:)
23:24.06jsmithBut at least his blood pressure is OK
23:24.10wpsindeed
23:24.15wpshave a good night
23:24.38jsmithI won't... worry about the lack of government in government
23:24.45wpsI'm off to hug the porcelain some more
23:24.53jsmith(or should I say the lack of governance?)
23:25.02jsmithwps: Sorry to hear that.
23:25.13jsmithwps: Did you see my earlier post about PHP jobs?  
23:25.22wpsI'm not sure
23:25.26wpswhere to? the uphpu jobs list?
23:25.34jsmithNaw, just in here... but that's a good idea
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23:31.22Utah_Davejsmith: where would your job be located?
23:31.47synicanyone wanna help me with a css problem?
23:35.02mgearysynic: what's up?
23:35.38synichttp://vimtips.org - the line separating the left column from the right is actually just a border-right on the left column and a border-left on the right column that overlaps
23:35.43jsmithUtah_Dave: Alabama or San Diego...
23:35.51synicif you change the font size in your browser, sometimes they don't overlap correctly
23:35.56mgearys/Alabama/Alabammy/
23:36.01synicso, I'm wondering if there's a way to fix it, or do it better, or what
23:36.35mgearyhrm
23:36.52mgearymy philosophy is, if you change the fontsize from what i provide, you're on your own
23:39.53Utah_Davejsmith: what kind of project?
23:41.01jsmithUtah_Dave: Internal projects... website stuff, most of it using CakePHP
23:41.38jsmithUtah_Dave: We've got a lot of internal projects rolling right now, and one of our internal dev guys is leaving, and we're already short-staffed in that area
23:45.16Utah_Davefor digium?
23:47.29Utah_Davesounds like fun
23:47.47carmonywhere are the offices at? or could someone work from home?
23:49.29jsmithOffices in Huntsville, AL and San Diego, CA
23:49.57jsmithThis is most likely not a telecommute position, but there's at least a possibility for the right candidate
23:51.46carmonyjsmith, my boss lives in San Diego and he might know some of his old developers from his previous company who would be looking for work. If he does, where should I point them?>
23:52.02jsmithcarmony: jsmith (at) digium (d0t) com
23:52.32carmonyany specific skills? PHP, CakePHP, Standard Web Skills?
23:53.38jsmithPHP and CakePHP specifically
23:53.57jsmithBut yeah... standard web skills and Linux skills apply
23:54.16carmonycool, I'll ask him and the old CTO.
23:54.16*** part/#uphpu brasto (n=brasto@slcl007.digis.net)
23:55.17jsmithcarmony: I'd appreciate it
23:58.49carmonyjsmith, turns out we both know a guy, one of the original dating dna developers whose current job just went under due to the "economic stress + bad business model."
23:59.43carmonyI worked with his code and its pretty good.

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