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| 01:45.44 | jbot | beandog has karma of 3 |
| 01:45.54 | beandog | ~gentoo |
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| 01:46.01 | jbot | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 01:46.05 | beandog | heh |
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| 01:46.12 | jbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
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| 14:42.18 | mindjuju | abandon ship! |
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| 14:51.47 | jsmith | mindjuju: You climbed back in the ship? |
| 14:53.08 | mindjuju | had to put down that session of windows |
| 14:53.25 | mindjuju | computer rebooted, so "new" ship |
| 14:53.54 | mindjuju | how are you today jsmith? |
| 14:54.48 | jsmith | mindjuju: Busy but good... doing about twelve things at once |
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| 14:55.20 | mindjuju | that's good to hear, about being busy that is |
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| 15:33.30 | mindjuju | ugh - this is funny (has a smidge of language) - http://www.cracked.com/article_16676_6-emails-you-get-when-your-company-about-go-under.html |
| 15:34.10 | mindjuju | k, i'm seeing 2.5 out of the 6, what me worry? |
| 15:35.00 | unum_ | "the high-level assistant who loves to gossip" I didn't know every company had one of those |
| 15:36.12 | unum | my brother worked at totally awesome, and got the company wide meeting message |
| 15:36.17 | unum | but the news got leaked the day before |
| 15:36.58 | mindjuju | unum, did you see the Utah voters guide with dell shanze running as gov? |
| 15:41.36 | unum | mindjuju: I saw when he filed back in march |
| 15:41.58 | wps | I'd move to Canada if he were ever elected |
| 15:42.12 | unum | at first he was going to run for the county mayor as a republican and as the governor candidate for the libertarian party but they wouldn't let him file for two offices at once |
| 15:42.25 | unum | so he with drew his application for county mayor |
| 15:42.36 | unum | did you miss the link to his website in #utah |
| 15:43.22 | unum | two of my brothers are considering voting for him(including the one who worked for him and knows his craziness on a personal level) |
| 15:43.45 | unum | he had a phone recording that went out to 2000 people, that called huntsman the anti-christ |
| 15:43.50 | mindjuju | what's his website? |
| 15:44.29 | unum | http://www.superdellforgovernor.com/ |
| 15:46.36 | unum | my ballot should be showing up soon |
| 15:46.48 | wps | his poor wife and children |
| 15:47.24 | wps | "all of the other candidates suck!" |
| 15:47.26 | wps | are you kidding me? |
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| 16:01.17 | unum | wps: have you read his blog yet? |
| 16:01.32 | wps | not latelyâ¦Â but I've glanced at it in the past |
| 16:02.41 | unum | he hasn't added any new crazy rantings |
| 16:06.11 | itimber | hey guys.... I know it's off topic, but I have a mailserver question |
| 16:06.21 | itimber | I have an IMAP (dovecot) server |
| 16:06.48 | itimber | and I'm wondering what the /home/vmail/domain.com/user/cur folder is for |
| 16:07.02 | itimber | anyone know? |
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| 16:12.08 | itimber | hey thebigdog |
| 16:12.16 | thebigdog | itimber, whatz up |
| 16:12.21 | itimber | on my IMAP mailserver |
| 16:12.24 | itimber | what the /home/vmail/domain.com/user/cur folder is for |
| 16:13.37 | fungus | Current email in your inbox. |
| 16:13.58 | fungus | 'new' contains New messages |
| 16:14.11 | itimber | ah |
| 16:14.12 | fungus | and 'tmp' contains temporary messages (almost always empty) |
| 16:14.21 | itimber | ok.... that makes since |
| 16:16.35 | itimber | what about .Sent/cur? |
| 16:16.42 | itimber | or .Trash/tmp? |
| 16:17.06 | itimber | or even .INBOX.Trash/cur |
| 16:18.15 | fungus | (cur,new,tmp) are internal structure directories that actually contain messages. |
| 16:18.38 | fungus | All other folders, especially those beginning with a dot are actual subfolders in your mailbox. |
| 16:19.00 | fungus | Your mail client interprets the dots as subfolders. |
| 16:19.14 | fungus | so .Sent translates to INBOX/Sent |
| 16:19.31 | fungus | and .INBOX.Trash translates to INBOX/INBOX/Trash |
| 16:20.12 | itimber | I see |
| 16:20.32 | itimber | Thank you |
| 16:20.42 | itimber | makes sense |
| 16:34.16 | thebigdog | itimber, it is also the maildir format too |
| 16:35.09 | itimber | so it's necessary structure for the server to operate |
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| 16:40.01 | carmony | Good morning uphpu |
| 16:40.24 | mindjuju | morning carmony |
| 16:41.02 | carmony | hold on.... superdell for Governor? |
| 16:43.20 | carmony | wtfzors?! |
| 16:43.22 | carmony | http://www.superdellforgovernor.com/blog.asp |
| 16:44.45 | mindjuju | curious |
| 16:44.46 | beandog | hes running on IIS? |
| 16:44.47 | beandog | superfail. |
| 16:44.54 | _psychic_ | this guy get's waaaay too much attention. |
| 16:45.02 | beandog | and he obviously has a boatload of cash |
| 16:45.24 | mindjuju | i wish i had a boatload of cash |
| 16:45.26 | mgeary | "God told me personally that if we end abortion we will be able to discover and use the unlimited supply of oil right here in Utah" |
| 16:45.35 | mgeary | heaven help us |
| 16:45.54 | carmony | LOL, I played at a LAN with superdell once... he was crazy :p |
| 16:45.54 | mgeary | "Cars will also run on water. This technology has been around but suppressed for over 10 years. Imagine how much gas will cost when cars run on water. First keep the commandments, and then we will indeed prosper in the land. It is both a promise from God and a promise from SUPERDELL." |
| 16:45.55 | beandog | theres oil in utah? |
| 16:46.09 | _psychic_ | shale oil maybe |
| 16:46.12 | unum | beandog: it's in the rocks |
| 16:46.16 | mgeary | can you imagine going to church with this guy? |
| 16:46.19 | unum | we just have to squeeze them really hard |
| 16:46.32 | unum | mgeary: we'd be arguing all the time |
| 16:46.32 | beandog | mgeary, hes a bit of a conspiracy theorist |
| 16:46.35 | mgeary | "Who am I? Who exactly is SUPERDELL? I am a child of God and am ordained to be a king and priest unto the most high God dependant on my living worthily in this life and fulfilling the covenants Iâve made with God" |
| 16:46.54 | unum | someone pointed out in an other channel it would be like ned flander and the pastor |
| 16:47.05 | beandog | this can't be serious |
| 16:47.17 | beandog | he reminds me of that dude from Contact |
| 16:47.31 | beandog | except the guy in the movie was a lot tamer |
| 16:48.15 | mindjuju | the gary busey guy? |
| 16:48.22 | mindjuju | well, i think its son of busey |
| 16:48.26 | carmony | lol, he is running for the Libertarian party |
| 16:50.24 | carmony | curse whoever linked to his website... |
| 16:50.39 | carmony | I can't be distracted with such non-sense ;) |
| 16:50.42 | carmony | too much work! |
| 16:51.21 | beandog | carmony, uh that was you |
| 16:51.32 | beandog | :) |
| 16:51.47 | beandog | where do you people even find this stuff |
| 16:55.24 | unum | it was all over the news last march |
| 16:55.43 | unum | a coworker shared the updated website with me |
| 16:56.00 | mindjuju | i blame macnewbold |
| 16:56.24 | beandog | macnewbold is the source of all restless uprisings in utah |
| 16:56.52 | unum | I have a friend who considers herself a libertarian but didn't bother to show up for the conventions |
| 16:57.03 | unum | she wished she would have when she found out how close that vote was |
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| 17:01.30 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 17:01.30 | jbot | does a little 'dpkg -P mindjuju' action |
| 17:01.33 | macnewbold | ~bonk beandog |
| 17:01.33 | jbot | ACTION bonks macnewbold on behalf of beandog |
| 17:01.47 | macnewbold | I haven't been causing any restless uprisings in Utah this week |
| 17:01.48 | macnewbold | yet |
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| 17:02.02 | mgeary | well, there was that freebsd thing you did yesterday |
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| 17:03.17 | macnewbold | that wasn't an uprising, just sound technical advice... |
| 17:03.19 | feutetejsd | hello all, I'm using prepared statements with mysqli, and need to hand in a varying number of params to bind_param |
| 17:03.38 | feutetejsd | is there an easy way to do that, i.e. can I hand it an array? |
| 17:03.39 | macnewbold | feutetejsd: it can't do that. I think you're hozed. |
| 17:03.47 | macnewbold | just kidding, I have no idea. |
| 17:04.02 | feutetejsd | well, crap |
| 17:04.09 | feutetejsd | ok, no worries |
| 17:04.12 | mgeary | yeah, i've never been sold on prepared statements. |
| 17:04.15 | feutetejsd | I don't either :) |
| 17:04.25 | feutetejsd | why not, mgeary? |
| 17:04.39 | macnewbold | feutetejsd: http://us.php.net/manual/en/mysqli-stmt.bind-param.php |
| 17:05.16 | DexterTheDragon | feutetejsd: you would have to pass the same number of arguments to bind_param as placeholders you made when you prepared it |
| 17:05.31 | macnewbold | it looks like it takes a variable number of arguments, but not in an array. |
| 17:05.42 | mgeary | feutetejsd: *shrug* just doesn't seem compelling. My DB stuff is all abstracted into an ActiveRecord pattern. I suppose one day i'll upgrade it to use prepared statements, but i'm not convinced there's a huge benefit |
| 17:06.21 | DexterTheDragon | there isn't |
| 17:06.29 | feutetejsd | DexterTheDragon, you're right, and I have that worked out when I prepare it, it's just a matter of dynamically creating the biind_param statement |
| 17:06.36 | DexterTheDragon | in my experiance mysqli is slower than the mysql stuff |
| 17:07.19 | mgeary | but it's so much nicer |
| 17:07.25 | mgeary | and i haven't noticed a speed hit |
| 17:07.40 | mgeary | but it's probably the difference between .00003 and .00006 seconds |
| 17:07.42 | mgeary | :) |
| 17:08.06 | carmony | haha, now here is an election video I can enjoy: |
| 17:08.07 | carmony | http://www.justincarmony.com/blog/2008/10/07/its-time-for-campaignin-elections-video/ |
| 17:08.12 | DexterTheDragon | thats a big difference when your doing thousands of queries in a row |
| 17:09.03 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: that is true |
| 17:11.55 | carmony | I've found that if I'm doing thousands of queries on a single page, I need to re-think my solution :p |
| 17:12.59 | mgeary | often true |
| 17:13.07 | mgeary | though sometimes for complex reports, that can happen |
| 17:13.12 | DexterTheDragon | sure if its a webpage |
| 17:13.18 | carmony | reports usually are the killer :p |
| 17:13.42 | DexterTheDragon | a command line script tho |
| 17:15.27 | carmony | DexterTheDragon: that is true |
| 17:15.44 | carmony | I just had to clean up a "nightly" cron that took 87 hours to run. |
| 17:15.52 | carmony | got it down to 8 :p |
| 17:36.05 | wps | can you use a wildcard in a directory path in httpd.conf? |
| 17:36.08 | wps | like this? |
| 17:36.21 | wps | <Directory /path/*/to/file> |
| 17:41.38 | beandog | I think you wanna use Location |
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| 17:44.39 | tierra | I think that's been done with /home/*/public_html locations |
| 17:44.48 | tierra | er, directories |
| 17:45.41 | tierra | yep, it's default userdir.conf in Debian "<Directory /home/*/public_html>" |
| 17:45.50 | wps | excellent |
| 17:45.51 | wps | thanks |
| 17:57.01 | beandog | I just found a bee in my office |
| 17:57.52 | beandog | should I smack it or run from the room screaming like a little girl |
| 17:58.39 | unum | scream like a little girl!!! |
| 17:59.57 | carmony | +1 for scream like girl :p |
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| 18:31.49 | beandog | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/07/microsoft-pdc-video-showcases-boy-band-worst-judgment-ever/ |
| 18:32.18 | beandog | never have so many careers imploded simultaneously |
| 18:33.51 | wps | what's PDC? |
| 18:51.03 | beandog | http://bash.org/?827518 |
| 18:51.08 | beandog | that is classic |
| 18:51.38 | itimber | someone mind pulling up 64.71.152.204 |
| 18:51.51 | mgeary | no go |
| 18:51.55 | wps | nodda |
| 18:51.57 | mgeary | i can ping it, but http no workie |
| 18:52.07 | wps | I'm getting all kinds of porn |
| 18:52.17 | itimber | wps: not good |
| 18:52.19 | itimber | :) |
| 18:52.22 | wps | :) |
| 18:52.41 | itimber | wps: right, but what are you getting on that IP??? |
| 18:52.51 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 18:53.09 | itimber | hehe.... slow, but still funny |
| 18:53.25 | mindjuju | PDC = Partner / Developer Conference |
| 18:53.31 | wps | ah |
| 18:53.32 | wps | thank you |
| 18:54.32 | beandog | man |
| 18:54.39 | beandog | ntohing like bash.org to pollute your mind for the day |
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| 19:06.04 | unum | I'm glad they are back |
| 19:07.10 | mindjuju | who is back? |
| 19:07.29 | bwelker | i am |
| 19:07.40 | unum | bash.org |
| 19:07.42 | mgeary | what? bwelker's back is hairy? |
| 19:07.51 | bwelker | not only my back |
| 19:08.05 | mindjuju | your back has a back? |
| 19:08.15 | mgeary | bwelker's on horseback? |
| 19:08.21 | bwelker | no, but there is hair in places i've never even heard of |
| 19:08.37 | mgeary | bwelker's horse is hairy |
| 19:08.53 | bwelker | bwelker has a hairy horseback |
| 19:09.08 | mindjuju | curious |
| 19:09.26 | bwelker | bwelker has a curious, hairy horseback |
| 19:09.34 | bwelker | on his back |
| 19:09.43 | mgeary | don't drink so much hair |
| 19:10.03 | bwelker | yeah, i think i caught something, you may want to get yourself checked out as well, mgeary |
| 19:10.12 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:10.31 | mgeary | hey, anyone here every use SQL Alchemy? |
| 19:10.34 | mgeary | *ever |
| 19:10.38 | bwelker | hacked it out and it totally looked like an mgeary hairball |
| 19:10.41 | bwelker | nope |
| 19:10.42 | DexterTheDragon | I told ya not to touch it |
| 19:10.46 | bwelker | never even heard of it |
| 19:10.53 | bwelker | but it looked so touchable |
| 19:10.55 | mgeary | it's a python ORM/DB abstraction lib |
| 19:10.56 | bwelker | and soft |
| 19:10.58 | bwelker | and tasty |
| 19:11.11 | mgeary | but greasy |
| 19:11.15 | bwelker | true |
| 19:11.24 | bwelker | thought it would slide down easier, but alas... |
| 19:12.01 | bwelker | i guess it could be worse, it coulda been a DexterTheDragon scaleball |
| 19:12.15 | bwelker | ever try to cough one of /those/ up? |
| 19:12.24 | mgeary | easier just to pass those |
| 19:12.42 | bwelker | i dunno, either way, it's cutting something |
| 19:13.24 | unum | I think I used it for a week or so three years ago |
| 19:13.28 | unum | actually just two |
| 19:14.07 | DexterTheDragon | a DexterTheDragon scaleball? |
| 19:14.08 | mindjuju | i've heard of it, but never looked at it |
| 19:14.15 | bwelker | lol |
| 19:14.24 | bwelker | that timing is awesome |
| 19:30.40 | DexterTheDragon | ~revive the conversation |
| 19:31.00 | DexterTheDragon | She's dead, Jim |
| 19:35.53 | jsmith | mgeary: I know the infrastructure guys on the Fedora Project swear by SQLAlchemy |
| 19:37.36 | mindjuju | as in they use foul language only when in the presence of a SQLAlchemy ? |
| 19:39.16 | jsmith | mindjuju: Something like that ;=) |
| 19:39.41 | wps | (a personalized version of a CLI joke I just heard) |
| 19:39.55 | wps | ~rimshot |
| 19:39.55 | jbot | ba-dum CHH |
| 19:40.47 | itimber | TY wps |
| 19:41.26 | wps | just don't inhale ;) |
| 19:42.01 | mindjuju | i always saw itimber as more of a hooka kind of guy |
| 19:42.20 | jsmith | <bill_clinton>I didn't have relations with that... grep command</bill_clinton> |
| 19:42.33 | itimber | LOL |
| 19:43.42 | fungus | mgeary: I use SQLAlchemy in one of my projects. |
| 19:44.04 | fungus | It's extremely flexible at the cost of additional complexity to set up. |
| 19:44.11 | mgeary | ok |
| 19:44.17 | wps | by-the-way, to use a wildcard (or regex) in an Apache Directory, you have to use <DirectoryMatch> instead of <Directory> |
| 19:44.17 | thebigdog | mindjuju, he is |
| 19:44.21 | thebigdog | trust me |
| 19:44.36 | fungus | If your needs are simple, SQLObject is similar, but very easy |
| 19:45.04 | mindjuju | @thebigdog - :) yup, figures |
| 19:45.25 | jsmith | wps: Sounds like something you learned the hard way :-( |
| 19:45.31 | wps | yes |
| 19:50.34 | mgeary | fungus: my needs probably *are* simple |
| 19:51.08 | fungus | then SQLObject is much easier to deal with. |
| 19:54.47 | mgeary | good to know |
| 19:55.08 | mgeary | i'm basically just looking for a decent Active Record pattern for python DB handling |
| 20:03.23 | carmony | uphpu should get a ventrillo channel :p |
| 20:03.52 | carmony | er, ventrillo server |
| 20:05.02 | mindjuju | yeah... , the last thing we need thebigdog with a live mic |
| 20:05.10 | carmony | LOL |
| 20:05.21 | mindjuju | we'd be hearing GWAR from now to Christmas |
| 20:06.00 | thebigdog | mindjuju, come on now |
| 20:06.20 | thebigdog | i would throw some mushrooms in there for you |
| 20:06.32 | mindjuju | that could work |
| 20:07.03 | mindjuju | the mushrooms i got from optikal |
| 20:14.31 | thebigdog | vent server would be kinda fun |
| 20:14.48 | thebigdog | im not sure we talk enough for it though |
| 20:15.27 | carmony | Well, what if we had like a scheduled "round table" every so often, so we hop on a talk about a topic |
| 20:15.50 | thebigdog | that would be kinda cool |
| 20:16.16 | thebigdog | but most work in an office so they might not get on vent |
| 20:16.58 | carmony | what if it was in the evening? |
| 20:20.25 | fungus | nah, I like text. It feels familiar and safe |
| 20:21.01 | thebigdog | carmony, no one is really on after business hours |
| 20:21.13 | mindjuju | cept me |
| 20:21.20 | mindjuju | that's when i clean up the channel |
| 20:21.40 | thebigdog | yeah mindjuju might be on |
| 20:21.44 | thebigdog | but not many |
| 20:22.01 | thebigdog | i usually get on at like 8 or later |
| 20:22.12 | mindjuju | true that |
| 20:22.20 | thebigdog | that is when mindjuju and i make our plans |
| 20:22.32 | carmony | to take over the world? :p |
| 20:22.46 | mindjuju | pretty much |
| 20:23.07 | carmony | sweet |
| 20:23.18 | fungus | So? which one is Pinky? |
| 20:23.34 | mindjuju | i'm the brain |
| 20:23.39 | mindjuju | pinky is thebigdog |
| 20:24.12 | carmony | yeah, it was just an idea to throw out there :p Since some people might live farther away and not have the chance to go to the meet ups, it might be cool ever other week to have an "online" meetup to talk about stuff. |
| 20:24.12 | carmony | lol |
| 20:24.35 | thebigdog | i'm down for it though |
| 20:25.04 | thebigdog | just everyone is so opinionated that it might scare others off ;) |
| 20:25.06 | mindjuju | what's required for it |
| 20:25.29 | thebigdog | vent server, vent client, headphone and mic |
| 20:26.24 | thebigdog | fyi carmony many on linux might not do it cause the client is not fully available |
| 20:27.43 | carmony | yeah, I just thought about that |
| 20:28.17 | carmony | teamspeak has a linux client I think |
| 20:30.42 | carmony | and then there is mumble, which is open source |
| 20:30.53 | carmony | I've never used it though |
| 20:33.26 | fungus | What is the benefit of Vent,Teamspeak,etc vs Skype? |
| 20:34.11 | carmony | Vent/Teamspeak are channel based, where Sype is more like phones and conference calls |
| 20:34.45 | carmony | So I can have a ventrillo server for my clan, and there are different channels, and people can join and chose channels to be in |
| 20:35.35 | mindjuju | what kind of clan? |
| 20:35.47 | fungus | ahh, no moderator needed to invite or approve joining. Nice |
| 20:35.57 | carmony | well, I used to be in a CS clan |
| 20:36.09 | mindjuju | oh cool, just wonnerin' |
| 20:36.12 | carmony | a company I do work for uses Ventrillo for their business, sinec they are a gaming company |
| 20:38.14 | thebigdog | fungus it is a very popular in the gaming community for communication |
| 20:44.04 | carmony | anyone in here play any games? |
| 20:46.16 | carmony | lol, online video games? :P |
| 20:46.45 | mindjuju | team fortress 2 |
| 20:48.02 | carmony | what servers mindjuju? |
| 20:48.38 | mindjuju | anyone with the word noob, n00b or a variant thereof |
| 20:49.11 | carmony | rofl |
| 20:49.16 | carmony | nice :) |
| 20:49.22 | carmony | favorite class? |
| 20:50.08 | mindjuju | have the most time as engy, then soldier then demo |
| 20:50.23 | mindjuju | still learning to play, just played medic for first time yesterday |
| 20:51.57 | carmony | Spore is eeeevil |
| 20:51.58 | carmony | it sucks all your time away! |
| 20:52.04 | fungus | Not as bad as WoW. |
| 20:52.10 | fungus | I call it an improvement. |
| 20:52.32 | carmony | lol, I only play WoW on... umm... private servers.... ;) |
| 20:52.39 | fungus | lol |
| 20:52.49 | fungus | But that's no fun. Not enough people |
| 20:52.54 | carmony | I just like the higher rates |
| 20:53.00 | carmony | some have lots of people :) |
| 20:53.03 | fungus | and the ones there usually cheat |
| 20:53.14 | carmony | true |
| 20:53.19 | mindjuju | private servers? |
| 20:53.20 | carmony | I just hate leveling up :p |
| 20:53.23 | carmony | toxic-wow.net |
| 20:53.33 | carmony | thats where I play, haven't in awhile though |
| 20:53.49 | mindjuju | can you move it from wow servers to private servers and back? |
| 20:55.07 | carmony | you can point your login, yes, but you can't move your characters |
| 20:57.46 | carmony | I'm tired of all the RPGs being MMO |
| 20:57.59 | carmony | I miss all the good old RPGs that used to come out before MMOs were around |
| 20:58.06 | fungus | why? non-mmo RPGs get boring really fast |
| 20:58.28 | carmony | naw, not the good ones |
| 20:58.30 | mgeary | carmony: i hear ya |
| 20:58.30 | mindjuju | i don't know, i liked dragon warrior for the NES |
| 20:59.07 | mgeary | i'm looking forward to Fallout 3. i might just need to install BootCamp on my Mac for that |
| 20:59.14 | mgeary | Fallout 1 & 2 were awesome RPGs |
| 20:59.41 | mgeary | but i doubt Fallout 3 will make it to OS X |
| 21:00.03 | _psychic_ | the RPG is lost |
| 21:00.11 | _psychic_ | they're all arms races for MMO-style play |
| 21:00.17 | _psychic_ | I miss the good ol stories |
| 21:00.22 | _psychic_ | dragon warrior included. :) |
| 21:00.31 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:00.36 | mindjuju | first one I played |
| 21:00.50 | _psychic_ | people just don't know how to create a universe with a good story anymore |
| 21:00.51 | mindjuju | console / computer based, that is |
| 21:01.01 | _psychic_ | and those who do prostitute it into MMO-style play |
| 21:01.03 | mindjuju | played D&D back in the day |
| 21:01.04 | _psychic_ | fetch quests |
| 21:01.06 | _psychic_ | grinding |
| 21:01.19 | _psychic_ | it's a lost art imho |
| 21:01.35 | mindjuju | also played battletech, TMNT and one other alludes me at the moment |
| 21:01.55 | fungus | There's lots of story behind MMOs, the difference is just that the story is optional. |
| 21:03.34 | _psychic_ | in practicality it removes it |
| 21:04.10 | mindjuju | actually, now that I think about it, i played a battletech game for the PC, fall of the *something* cresent *something* |
| 21:04.11 | _psychic_ | I don't have to know why orcs hate humans, I just need to kill 30 billion spiders to get knick knaks that are shinier than the other dudes |
| 21:09.31 | carmony | What I want with an MMO is what shadowbane tried to do |
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| 21:10.22 | carmony | I want a MMO that 1/4 is controlled by NPC cities, people, etc. and the 3/4th of the land determined by clans and wars, etc. |
| 21:10.26 | _psychic_ | I think MMO should not end with RPG |
| 21:10.27 | carmony | so that the story is more put on the player |
| 21:10.39 | _psychic_ | I thought spore was an interesting idea |
| 21:10.47 | _psychic_ | fully command the story line |
| 21:10.51 | _psychic_ | but use user-created content |
| 21:10.53 | _psychic_ | that's cool |
| 21:11.05 | _psychic_ | I don't think you can maintain culture in a game with real people in it |
| 21:11.23 | carmony | I agree |
| 21:11.24 | _psychic_ | it's hard to get into slaying a dragon when you pass two gnomes excited about the latest Idol contestants |
| 21:11.29 | beandog | not necessarily |
| 21:11.34 | beandog | you can closely restrict the players |
| 21:11.39 | _psychic_ | I've played MUDs that do that |
| 21:11.44 | _psychic_ | but it requires a lot of policing |
| 21:11.44 | beandog | yah, MUDs |
| 21:11.55 | _psychic_ | usually by the community itself |
| 21:12.02 | beandog | but then, its hard to even get started in those |
| 21:12.48 | carmony | My favorite thing was I would log into an "roleplaying" wow server... and all it was were people trying to speak old english :p |
| 21:13.57 | _psychic_ | beandog: the game should ramp you up |
| 21:14.04 | _psychic_ | every good game or novel should |
| 21:14.14 | beandog | man |
| 21:14.18 | _psychic_ | http://xkcd.com/483/ |
| 21:14.21 | beandog | I had this one character on a MUD once, he was freaking intense. |
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| 21:14.29 | beandog | rp'd the crap out of that boy |
| 21:14.31 | beandog | He was mute |
| 21:14.38 | beandog | Would freaking assassinate everyone and not say a word |
| 21:14.40 | beandog | hee hee hee |
| 21:14.41 | beandog | good times. |
| 21:15.21 | _psychic_ | see that's where it gets fun |
| 21:15.30 | _psychic_ | and people *remember* those stories |
| 21:15.33 | beandog | you gotta have passionate players though |
| 21:15.37 | _psychic_ | agreed |
| 21:15.40 | beandog | In this case, though |
| 21:15.44 | beandog | the "game" was extremely hard |
| 21:15.50 | _psychic_ | kinda like old D&D adventure days |
| 21:15.53 | beandog | so only dedicated players would stick around |
| 21:15.55 | beandog | exactly |
| 21:16.35 | _psychic_ | MUDs are a good prototype for what real RPGing needs to be |
| 21:17.58 | _psychic_ | in any case, WoW is an MMO, but it's not much of an RPG |
| 21:18.04 | _psychic_ | though it could be played that way in a pinch |
| 21:18.08 | beandog | never played wow |
| 21:18.14 | _psychic_ | 6mo for me |
| 21:18.17 | beandog | Im not much for any online games, though |
| 21:18.20 | beandog | too many jerks. |
| 21:18.24 | _psychic_ | heh |
| 21:18.40 | beandog | Id rather have fun then constantly get my furry buns handed to me. |
| 21:19.45 | _psychic_ | I like to hand furry buns to people. |
| 21:23.53 | itimber | Have I mentioned lately how I lothe IMAP?? |
| 21:24.34 | beandog | my crap, I just installed SP3 and theres already 18 critical updates? |
| 21:24.37 | beandog | itimber, whats wrong with it |
| 21:24.54 | itimber | it just sucks HD space |
| 21:25.05 | itimber | and the longer you have it, the slower it gets |
| 21:25.07 | beandog | oh, yah, thats a problem. |
| 21:25.12 | beandog | good thing nobody emails me |
| 21:25.24 | itimber | cause it has to pull all those years worth of email and sync it |
| 21:25.51 | itimber | stupid protocol |
| 21:29.47 | carmony | LOL, teaching my boss how to SVN... might have been a mistake... |
| 21:29.55 | carmony | use SVN* |
| 21:37.34 | carmony | since he doesn't run the website locally, when he makes changes, he has to commit them to see them in action on our dev server |
| 21:37.54 | carmony | well, looks like last nice he made about 250 commits making tweaks across the website :p |
| 21:43.49 | fungus | :q |
| 21:43.53 | fungus | doh |
| 21:44.36 | beandog | just replace his computer with a cardboard box like those ones at furniture stores |
| 21:45.08 | SunSparc | hehe, that would be funny |
| 21:45.26 | beandog | http://www.kerstein.org/dilbert/etch-a-sketch.jpg |
| 21:46.25 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:51.32 | thebigdog | carmony, you should check out http://www.warhammeronline.com/ |
| 21:52.42 | fungus | itimber: hating IMAP compared to POP3??? |
| 21:52.56 | itimber | yes |
| 21:52.57 | fungus | Also imposing some kind of organization using folders will help immensely |
| 21:53.24 | fungus | So you're complaining about downloading all the headers of messages the first time you set it up. |
| 21:53.41 | fungus | Compared to downloading the whole messages via POP3 the first time. |
| 21:55.03 | thebigdog | itimber, you are crazy with pop3 |
| 21:55.10 | tierra | IMAP was designed to be a replacement for POP3 originally... it never replaced it though because free email providers didn't want users storing their email on their servers |
| 21:55.19 | itimber | sorry.... on the phone there |
| 21:55.25 | tierra | IMAP is much better than POP3 in many ways |
| 21:55.43 | itimber | so, ya, I would prefer to pull the msg off the server the first time, rather than keeping it on the server FOREVER |
| 21:55.46 | itimber | is silly |
| 21:56.17 | fungus | If you want the messages stored locally, then just use POP3. |
| 21:56.21 | itimber | anyway.... I was venting rather than trying to start a flame war |
| 21:56.22 | tierra | on the other hand, there aren't any decent email clients that implement IMAP in a way that it's fast and efficient |
| 21:56.45 | itimber | perhaps that's it |
| 21:56.51 | itimber | I'm using ThunderBird |
| 21:57.04 | itimber | and so are the other email users |
| 21:57.09 | fungus | Not a flame war, just pointing out that your comparisons are twisted |
| 21:57.25 | itimber | so, perhaps it's IMAP implementation is poor |
| 21:57.40 | itimber | you can point that out..... |
| 21:57.48 | fungus | Do you have all the messages in one folder? |
| 21:57.51 | itimber | yet, I have similar problems every 5-6mo |
| 21:57.57 | thebigdog | haha |
| 21:57.59 | tierra | the mozilla team started ripping apart thunderbird maybe 6 months ago... they've been working on making it as awesome as FF for a while now, but it's currently not very useful yet |
| 21:58.19 | itimber | someone's got their SpamAssasin folder on the server, and it's got 180,000 msgs |
| 21:58.32 | thebigdog | haha |
| 21:58.32 | itimber | or their Trash folder has 1.6gigs of msgs |
| 21:58.35 | tierra | http://www.rumblingedge.com/ |
| 21:58.56 | itimber | what are you laughing for thebigdog |
| 21:58.57 | itimber | ?? |
| 21:59.08 | itimber | ~flip thebigdog |
| 21:59.12 | thebigdog | i told you to make it so that all that crap is deleted |
| 21:59.13 | tierra | http://www.rumblingedge.com/2008/08/10/shredder-alpha-2-released/ |
| 21:59.18 | thebigdog | but you wanted all spam in a folder |
| 21:59.32 | itimber | ya.... it's saved my butt a few times already |
| 21:59.54 | thebigdog | just write a script that check the size of the files/dirs |
| 21:59.54 | itimber | where some legit email has disappeared... and I told the client to check the SA folder |
| 22:00.09 | thebigdog | have them clean up crap |
| 22:00.10 | fungus | downloading many thousands of message headers via IMAP will be slow, that is expected. But downloading many thousands of messages via POP3 will be even slower. |
| 22:00.26 | tierra | http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/ <- also awesome |
| 22:00.56 | beandog | mail needs a serious reboot. |
| 22:01.14 | SunSparc | AMEN to that beandog |
| 22:01.33 | jsmith-away | AMEN! |
| 22:01.52 | fungus | SMTP and POP3 are probably the oldest internet protocols still in wide use today. |
| 22:01.59 | beandog | fungus, what is this, just an advocacy site? |
| 22:02.30 | fungus | I defend IMAP because it is a huge improvement over POP3 |
| 22:02.55 | fungus | (unless you only want to filter and store mail locally) |
| 22:03.47 | beandog | whats that one google downloader thing that comes with all these apps |
| 22:04.25 | beandog | ah, google pack |
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| 22:48.43 | itimber | I'm out guys..... later |
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| 23:32.09 | mgeary_ | quick, how long does it take you to break the words out of this domain: |
| 23:32.14 | mgeary_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.07 | mgeary_ | Bettina McBeth DMD. Not very readable, imo |
| 23:33.10 | beandog | bettina mcbeth md |
| 23:33.23 | beandog | mgeary_, you broke my brain |
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| 23:34.13 | mgeary | whew, glad i'm not that mgeary_ guy |
| 23:49.42 | beandog | that bee is still stuck in here |
| 23:49.45 | beandog | I think Im gonna take him outside |
