| 00:01.00 | mgeary | what i've got is alright |
| 00:01.11 | mgeary | i just have to update 2 WHERE clauses when i change things |
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| 03:10.04 | itimber | hey guys |
| 03:10.19 | itimber | anyone *really* here? |
| 03:10.34 | wps | hey |
| 03:10.40 | itimber | hey wps |
| 03:10.53 | itimber | got time for a stupid prob? |
| 03:11.03 | wps | I can try |
| 03:11.10 | itimber | having some weird probs w/ number_format |
| 03:11.54 | itimber | I've got a table of values |
| 03:12.30 | itimber | they're positive and negative values |
| 03:12.36 | itimber | one for each day of a month |
| 03:12.57 | itimber | so |
| 03:13.01 | itimber | +.56 |
| 03:13.05 | itimber | -.35 |
| 03:13.08 | itimber | +2.54 |
| 03:13.11 | itimber | -.01 |
| 03:13.13 | itimber | etc |
| 03:13.28 | itimber | the prob is that the negative numbers are showing as -0.00 |
| 03:13.43 | itimber | using number_format |
| 03:13.49 | itimber | anyone have that prob? |
| 03:14.01 | itimber | where negative numbers show as -0 |
| 03:14.33 | mindjuju | i got lost on the "one for each day of a month" |
| 03:14.45 | Utah_Dave | hey |
| 03:17.21 | itimber | I'm showing discrepancies on balance sheets..... |
| 03:17.34 | itimber | so, ideally, they should all be zeros |
| 03:17.43 | itimber | but sometimes their off by a few buck |
| 03:17.46 | itimber | *bucks |
| 03:17.51 | itimber | sometimes in the positive |
| 03:17.57 | itimber | sometimes in the negative |
| 03:18.20 | itimber | so, this table shows the days of the month, then what the discrepancy was for that day |
| 03:19.05 | itimber | 9/1/08 = 1.16 |
| 03:19.14 | itimber | 9/2/08 = 1.84 |
| 03:19.24 | itimber | 9/3/08 = -1.86 |
| 03:19.53 | itimber | except when I use number_format($value, 2), it shows -0.00 for 9/3/08 |
| 03:19.57 | itimber | make sense? |
| 03:20.58 | wps | is number_format supposed to work with negative numbers? |
| 03:21.30 | Utah_Dave | I was looking through the comments on php.net and it appears that there are issues using number_format with negative numbers |
| 03:22.30 | itimber | what do you all use for negative numbers then? |
| 03:22.56 | itimber | just sprintf and forget the comma separators? |
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| 03:23.24 | wps | what do you want done to them? |
| 03:24.23 | Utah_Dave | itimber: what version of PHP are you using? |
| 03:24.34 | Utah_Dave | On my server here, it's working as you want |
| 03:25.12 | itimber | 4 |
| 03:26.26 | itimber | Utah_Dave: I assume it works on 5? |
| 03:28.08 | itimber | wps: I want 2 decimal places with commas showing the thousands place |
| 03:28.40 | wps | so you want -1.34 changed to -0,001.34 ? |
| 03:29.00 | wps | or only comma if the number is a thousand or larger? |
| 03:29.01 | itimber | 1234567.89123456 == 1,234,567.89 |
| 03:29.16 | wps | kâ¦Â I got the impression that your numbers were really small |
| 03:29.18 | itimber | 1.3 == 1.30 |
| 03:29.32 | wps | ah |
| 03:29.40 | itimber | sometimes.... I'm using the same methodology throughout the site..... |
| 03:29.42 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, I'm using 5 |
| 03:30.08 | itimber | so, I'm going to have to look through the system to see what needs to be changed |
| 03:30.34 | itimber | I don't use sprintf because of the comma separators |
| 03:30.47 | itimber | I don't want 0,000,001.30 |
| 03:30.50 | itimber | :) |
| 03:31.56 | itimber | I may just have to write a little function to explode the number, format the pieces, then put it back together again |
| 03:32.35 | itimber | was just thinking there would be a simpler solution, as I can't imagine that I'm the first person to have this prob |
| 03:33.46 | Utah_Dave | can't upgrade to PHP5? |
| 03:34.35 | itimber | didn't a lot of stuff change in the OOP side specifically? |
| 03:35.40 | itimber | my stuff is heavy OOP |
| 03:35.40 | itimber | and literally hundereds of thousands of lines of code |
| 03:35.40 | itimber | s/hundereds/hundreds/ |
| 03:35.47 | itimber | so, I've been reluctant |
| 03:36.25 | Utah_Dave | you could try it on another machine and see how it goes. |
| 03:36.42 | Utah_Dave | When I made the switch quite a while ago, I hardly had a problem |
| 03:36.57 | wps | same |
| 03:37.10 | wps | it's well, well, well worth it |
| 03:37.14 | wps | I can't imagine being on 4 |
| 03:38.41 | itimber | what problems *did* you have? |
| 03:39.31 | Utah_Dave | It's been so long, I don't remember exactly. I think there were a couple places where PHP Warnings were popping up. |
| 03:39.40 | wps | same |
| 03:39.45 | Utah_Dave | I might have had to change a couple mysql commands |
| 03:39.49 | wps | 5 is stricter |
| 03:39.58 | wps | s/stricter/more strict/ |
| 03:40.02 | Utah_Dave | I really don't remember, but it was pretty painless |
| 03:40.09 | Utah_Dave | I'd definitely give it a try. |
| 03:42.23 | itimber | I will then... but not tonight |
| 03:42.38 | itimber | just write a little function to keep the $$ rollin |
| 03:46.20 | itimber | I need to do more research on what has changed |
| 03:46.37 | itimber | hate to flip a switch and mess everything up |
| 03:47.11 | itimber | just cause they decided to change $obj->method() to $obj=>method() |
| 03:47.13 | itimber | or something |
| 03:50.05 | itimber | thanks for the advise |
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| 04:07.05 | Utah_Dave | itimber: the main changes with OOP are the copy/clone semantics |
| 04:07.47 | itimber | I obviously heard incorrectly then |
| 04:08.02 | itimber | heard they completely revamped the OOP model |
| 04:08.32 | itimber | so I back-burnered the upgrade |
| 04:08.51 | itimber | as I maintain several clients code |
| 04:08.58 | itimber | and it's all back office systems |
| 04:09.16 | Utah_Dave | in PHP5 objects are passed by reference |
| 04:09.23 | Utah_Dave | that's the biggest gotcha |
| 04:09.48 | Utah_Dave | Well, of course if it's all working, don't fix it, right? |
| 04:09.56 | itimber | could you give an example? |
| 04:09.59 | itimber | exactly |
| 04:10.08 | Utah_Dave | Here's a good description: http://www.webmaster-talk.com/php-forum/78717-differences-between-php4-and-php5.html |
| 04:12.53 | itimber | wps: my box isn't bad... it's that I've got 6+ yrs of code to maintain |
| 04:12.53 | itimber | and I make $$ on new dev, not maintenance as much |
| 04:19.04 | Utah_Dave | oh, and itimber, there are no more security fixes for PHP4 or new development |
| 04:22.45 | itimber | I love how this was written at the beginning of last year..... I'm sooo lame |
| 04:23.15 | itimber | thanks for your help guys.... I'll be making the switch |
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| 04:26.37 | Utah_Dave | night guys. I'm heading home |
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| 15:16.02 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Leave those kids alone! |
| 15:17.25 | mindjuju | hey |
| 15:17.29 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:18.06 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:18.14 | SunSparc | We don't need no thought control |
| 15:18.40 | mindjuju | that meat grinder part is hilarious |
| 15:18.57 | mgeary | yeah, we would never do that |
| 15:19.19 | mgeary | we'll just commit our children to 80 years of indebtedness instead |
| 15:20.35 | mindjuju | where do we stand on that anyways, haven't checked the news in like 2 hours |
| 15:20.43 | mindjuju | last i heard though, the senate was going to give it a go |
| 15:21.15 | mgeary | well, i wasn't just talking about the bailout |
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| 15:21.49 | mgeary | our financial future was scary long before that raised its head |
| 15:22.39 | unum | I think it was in here I was talking about the new girl that I'm dating. |
| 15:22.52 | unum | (we're going to go get pho tomorrow) |
| 15:23.25 | unum | when I went to pick her up last saturday her roommate came in the room and started talking about the "horrible news that confronted her at the store" |
| 15:23.40 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 15:23.46 | unum | so this is saturday. they day after the debate. in the middle of the discussion about the bail out. |
| 15:23.59 | unum | a week or so after a major hurricane. |
| 15:24.12 | unum | and she's upset about clay akeyn |
| 15:24.18 | unum | I have no idea how to spellhis name |
| 15:24.59 | unum | her roommate and I faked some sympathy and then returned to our discussion about housing values and interest rates |
| 15:25.55 | unum | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pho <- and in case anyone is wonder it's pronounced fu |
| 15:26.24 | unum | mmmmm chicken liver |
| 15:26.32 | unum | actualy I've only ever had vegetarian pho |
| 15:26.50 | mindjuju | "discussion about housing values and interest rates" = "making out" |
| 15:26.53 | carmony | not clay akeyn! :( |
| 15:27.01 | carmony | lolo |
| 15:27.16 | beandog | lol mindjuju |
| 15:27.24 | beandog | euphemisms |
| 15:28.04 | unum | mindjuju: I'm not THAT fast. actually I'm pretty slow. pretty much every girl I've ever kissed has had to bring it up... |
| 15:28.22 | mindjuju | just teasin' |
| 15:28.36 | mindjuju | course though you were sittin' in a hot tub with her |
| 15:28.55 | unum | well that was a church activity.... |
| 15:29.03 | beandog | nice church |
| 15:29.11 | unum | of course at one point I was "supervising" the activity. so.... |
| 15:34.27 | carmony | anyone here know of a really good wiki for developers? |
| 15:34.33 | carmony | like documenting stuff internally |
| 15:34.47 | carmony | I was thinking of just using MEdiaWiki |
| 15:34.58 | wps | whoa |
| 15:35.00 | wps | huge news |
| 15:35.07 | wps | Apple just dropped the NDA for iPhone dev |
| 15:35.14 | carmony | really? |
| 15:35.35 | unum | carmony: I know a lot of people just use trac |
| 15:35.45 | unum | but it depends on the size of your operation |
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| 15:37.09 | carmony | I wish trac was PHP/MySQL based :p |
| 15:37.41 | unum | bugzilla doesn't come with a wiki does it? |
| 15:37.51 | unum | you can use trac with mysql |
| 15:38.08 | unum | though it's easier to just use it with sqllite |
| 15:38.42 | unum | I don't make any changes to the code so the fact that it uses python doesn't really matter |
| 15:40.10 | beandog | why would you want to *bloat* trac with mysql? |
| 15:40.30 | eggyknap | Why would you want to do anything with mysql? |
| 15:40.36 | beandog | hear hear |
| 15:40.39 | carmony | lol |
| 15:40.55 | unum | I use postgresql + trac so that it's party of my back ups |
| 15:41.02 | carmony | I'm just more familiar with it, so setting it each time I do it I forget things |
| 15:41.10 | unum | since I'm already backing up the postgres server |
| 15:41.38 | beandog | sqlite foo.db .dump > backup.sql |
| 15:43.19 | carmony | beandog: thats good to know, thanks :) |
| 15:44.18 | synic | ahem. Python > PHP :P |
| 15:45.24 | carmony | lol, not saying it isn't, just that I'm more familiar with PHP ;) |
| 15:45.48 | synic | good answer :) |
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| 15:58.10 | carmony | whew, trac installation went a lot smoother this time :) |
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| 16:25.07 | mgeary | wps: tell me more about Apple's dropping of the NDA |
| 16:26.23 | beandog | You know |
| 16:26.30 | beandog | the whole concept of non-disclosure is warped |
| 16:26.45 | beandog | companies are too short sighted to realize that it also means that people who have signed them can never work *for* them |
| 16:27.02 | beandog | lets lock in the talent pool, that's a great concept. |
| 16:31.01 | unum | it changes the game when it comes to competing with android |
| 16:31.11 | unum | that was androids one really big advantage |
| 16:31.49 | beandog | did you see their note |
| 16:31.53 | beandog | the whole thing is asinine |
| 16:31.55 | beandog | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/01/apple-drops-iphone-nda/ |
| 16:32.08 | beandog | "so others dont steal our work" |
| 16:32.18 | beandog | Yah, its a hard idea coming up with a touch screen phone with user created content. |
| 16:32.27 | beandog | God Bless Apple for thinking of the obvious. |
| 16:32.42 | beandog | alright, now Im trolling |
| 16:33.01 | mgeary | nice |
| 16:34.17 | carmony | I gave up iPhone dev because of the NDA |
| 16:34.57 | carmony | I was asking some questions on the Apple forums, and then I Got an email later that day reminding me of my nda |
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| 17:45.04 | carmony | trac hates me |
| 17:53.53 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon - what was it that you were saying was better than svn? |
| 17:57.06 | beandog | git, probably |
| 17:57.23 | mindjuju | yup, that was it |
| 17:57.47 | thebigdog | or thebigdog |
| 17:57.53 | synic | or bzr, or murcurial |
| 17:57.58 | synic | or, thebigdog. |
| 17:58.23 | beandog | bzr is annoying |
| 17:58.33 | synic | heh, I think git is annoying |
| 17:58.45 | thebigdog | but thebigdog is cool |
| 17:58.51 | mgeary | ~karma thebigdog |
| 17:58.51 | jbot | thebigdog has karma of 8 |
| 17:58.53 | thebigdog | not too annoying |
| 17:58.54 | synic | though slightly bloated. |
| 17:59.01 | mgeary | ~snickerdoodle thebigdog |
| 17:59.06 | thebigdog | just a bit |
| 17:59.12 | thebigdog | or just a git |
| 17:59.18 | synic | we so fonny |
| 17:59.49 | mindjuju | synic, so you don't like git? |
| 18:01.59 | synic | I probably would like it. I probably just don't like how we're using it here in the office. |
| 18:02.28 | synic | wheras I use bzr for exaile and I'm in charge of how we use it... so it's not annoying. |
| 18:08.36 | carmony | what is so much better about git? |
| 18:09.03 | _psychic_ | better managed branching |
| 18:09.05 | _psychic_ | distributed model |
| 18:09.42 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, seems like you were singing praises about git, what was it about git you liked? |
| 18:24.44 | dataw0lf | obviously, local commits (an implicit part of having a distributed model), branch and tag management, less filesystem messiness comparatively, and mmm git bisect |
| 18:25.46 | dataw0lf | Generally there's no real reason not to use git over SVN - you can use git like you use SVN (with a centralized mindset). And tools like gitosis make it, in fact, easier to use git in a centralized model than SVN. |
| 18:26.31 | dataw0lf | of course, the real power of git comes when you start adopting it's proposed development model, and start using branches extensively |
| 18:27.05 | dataw0lf | working on a project right now - I have six branches currently, three that I created today. I'll probably end up with two at the end of the day. |
| 18:27.14 | dataw0lf | http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/ |
| 18:27.16 | dataw0lf | Read that. |
| 18:27.52 | mindjuju | k |
| 18:27.56 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 18:33.04 | dataw0lf | I mean, c'mon, git checkout "@{2 hours ago}" some_dir/ |
| 18:33.06 | dataw0lf | try that in SVN. |
| 18:33.47 | tierra | there is one reason to use SVN over git: TortoiseSVN |
| 18:34.03 | tierra | also, you can do 'svn co '2 days ago' some_dir |
| 18:34.05 | dataw0lf | git diff "@{yesterday}" <- something I use extensively. |
| 18:34.05 | tierra | btw |
| 18:34.22 | dataw0lf | is that new in SVN? |
| 18:34.30 | tierra | no, it's been there for a long time |
| 18:34.43 | dataw0lf | and p.s. if you're using TortoiseSVN you have more problems than just a versioning system |
| 18:35.00 | dataw0lf | huh, I didn't know SVN did time string parsing. |
| 18:35.18 | tierra | like using Windows? yeah, sucks |
| 18:36.18 | dataw0lf | that is a valid point though. If you're developing on Windows, may as well stick with Subversion. Using git on Windows is a PITA. |
| 18:38.23 | dataw0lf | what SVN does to a codebase's filesystem though. Really, I think that's just ridiculous. |
| 18:38.48 | tierra | the double disk space usage stuff? |
| 18:38.53 | tierra | (for checkouts) |
| 18:39.03 | dataw0lf | Mozilla's SVN repo is 12 gigabytes, or around there. They imported it into a git repo and it was 420 megabytes. |
| 18:39.28 | tierra | git does make smart usage of deltas |
| 18:40.50 | dataw0lf | because of that and the fact that you can make something a git repo in essentially one command, I use git for everything these days. |
| 18:41.26 | tierra | heh |
| 18:41.35 | tierra | can't claim that with SVN |
| 18:43.10 | dataw0lf | also, git, for things like application servers or ^^ web applications, makes a viable deploy tool. |
| 18:44.10 | dataw0lf | obviously, for the stuff tierra works on, that's not really a benefit either way. |
| 18:44.35 | tierra | between working in Windows, and working on desktop application software, the choice is obvious for us |
| 18:45.27 | tierra | though I'd like to eventually bring our website into a much more flexible development environment |
| 18:45.57 | tierra | (basically what I was hoping that camps talk was going to provide) |
| 18:46.10 | tierra | but without perl... heh |
| 18:58.32 | dataw0lf | http://beardless.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/94/9431b7fcb791a7b17d057fb9fbd653c9267dcd86.jpg |
| 18:59.09 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: I think he can probably see the start too. It's not far off either. |
| 18:59.17 | dataw0lf | haha. |
| 18:59.25 | dataw0lf | good point. |
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| 19:22.37 | mindjuju | anybody here use alfresco and/or know what database it uses? |
| 19:28.02 | eggyknap | mindjuju: I know nothing of alfresco, but this might help: http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Database_Configuration |
| 19:34.51 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: yeah it was git |
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| 20:08.09 | thebigdog | eggyknap, since it is a java app it can probably use many dbs |
| 20:08.34 | thebigdog | and it uses hibernate |
| 20:19.01 | mindjuju | anybody recommend a good colaboration, wiki, etc etc OSS package that is PHP and mySQL based? |
| 20:19.20 | beandog | trac |
| 20:19.22 | beandog | :D |
| 20:22.05 | carmony | lol, Trac isn't PHP based, its Python, but its well worth it |
| 20:22.51 | beandog | cant go wrong with trac |
| 20:22.57 | fungus | mindjuju: for a wiki only solution, I have found nothing better than mediawiki |
| 20:23.49 | fungus | for more than just a wiki... trac looks pretty cool |
| 20:30.44 | mgeary | what framework, if any, does trac use? |
| 20:50.41 | thebigdog | mgeary, it is python with some other tools like genshi and clearsilver |
| 20:51.28 | thebigdog | i love it cause it is python + postgresql |
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| 21:17.36 | mgeary | so, a local university wants my help on a project. The plan would be to write some code (my plan would be to use python) to scrape/parse a bunch of external data and feed it into a database... So we talk parameters, they tell me the DB is MySQL, and we feel our way into the project |
| 21:17.56 | mgeary | then it turns out yesterday that the DB is MSSQL, and there is existing web code in asp.NET |
| 21:18.51 | mgeary | and, oh yeah, the Gates Foundation is supplying the funding, so they don't think they can have it hosted on *nix and use MySQL/Postgres |
| 21:18.52 | wps | anyone willing to try loading a website for me? |
| 21:18.52 | orsonj | sure wps |
| 21:18.52 | wps | granitepeaksgi.com/ |
| 21:18.54 | wps | just need to know if it comes up |
| 21:19.08 | orsonj | initial impression: looks good |
| 21:19.09 | wps | client says that the site won't load for anyone in the office |
| 21:19.17 | unum | it comes up |
| 21:19.20 | wps | thanks |
| 21:19.27 | mgeary | confirmed |
| 21:20.27 | mgeary | meh |
| 21:21.06 | mgeary | in-laws just told us they bought tix to M. Butterfly for my wife and me for her pending b-day. Puccini has some great stuff, but i really don't care much for M.B. :/ |
| 21:22.12 | beandog | mgeary, its a trap! |
| 21:25.26 | mindjuju | ~apb dexterthedragon |
| 21:25.27 | jbot | ACTION summons Leland to stake out dexterthedragon |
| 21:26.51 | thebigdog | wps, loads for me |
| 21:27.37 | wps | thanks |
| 21:28.02 | beandog | wps, looks nice man |
| 21:36.38 | wps | thanks |
| 21:54.30 | itimber | I'm out guys.... later |
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| 22:17.50 | SunSparc | Anyone here connect to openldap with php using the core php functions? (ldap_connect) |
| 22:24.47 | unum | SunSparc: I do |
| 22:25.43 | SunSparc | unum: Do you do any encryption of your ldap communications? |
| 22:25.51 | unum | no |
| 22:26.01 | SunSparc | Hmm, ok. |
| 22:26.20 | SunSparc | I am trying to troubleshoot an error that one of our apps is getting. |
| 22:26.49 | SunSparc | It seems to be related to the connection, but I cannot isolate it any further. |
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| 22:59.26 | thebigdog | not sure if anyone is interested but a new user groups has been formed |
| 22:59.43 | thebigdog | utah mobile developers group - http://www.utahmobiledev.org/ |
| 23:00.44 | thebigdog | SunSparc are you connecting via ssl? |
| 23:01.26 | SunSparc | thebigdog: no |
| 23:02.35 | thebigdog | how are you encrypting? |
| 23:05.11 | thebigdog | SunSparc, have you check openldap's log files for info? |
| 23:05.23 | thebigdog | what error are you getting in php? |
| 23:05.54 | SunSparc | thebigdog: Well, one app is phpldapadmin and it can read and write to the directory, the other is a cake app and can only read. Both are on the same server, both are using the same creds. |
| 23:06.12 | SunSparc | "Strong(er) authentication required" |
| 23:08.23 | thebigdog | you have all the same login creds between the 2? |
| 23:08.59 | SunSparc | Yep, as far as I can tell. |
| 23:10.57 | thebigdog | what error do you get when you try and write in the cake app? |
| 23:11.12 | SunSparc | "Strong(er) authentication required" |
| 23:11.21 | SunSparc | Quite verbose |
| 23:11.47 | SunSparc | I have not checked the logs yet. Not sure why. Brain is too full right now. |
| 23:12.02 | SunSparc | I will have to check them tomorrow. Too much going on right now. |
| 23:12.34 | thebigdog | is the connection url the same for both? |
| 23:14.27 | SunSparc | Yes, I am just using the hostname. No protocol. |
| 23:15.06 | SunSparc | Although I have tried it with and without a protocol declaration as well as the ldaps protocol declaration. But we do not have a cert setup for it, so of course it did not work. |
| 23:15.26 | SunSparc | The phpldapadmin mentions using blowfish to encrypt session cookies |
| 23:15.36 | thebigdog | on the line you are getting the error are you binding anonymous? |
| 23:16.16 | SunSparc | Unfortunately, the error is not verbose enough to tell me the line. I will have to enable some debugging and check the logs. |
| 23:16.16 | thebigdog | i would also check tls and ssl options in openldap |
| 23:16.51 | SunSparc | Good ideas. Thanks thebigdog. I will check them out. |
| 23:16.58 | SunSparc | ~thebigdog++ |
| 23:17.04 | SunSparc | Gotta run. |
| 23:17.30 | thebigdog | k |
| 23:54.27 | mgeary | aww man |
| 23:54.30 | mgeary | ~karma mgeary |
| 23:54.30 | jbot | mgeary has karma of 8 |
| 23:54.32 | mgeary | ~karma the |
| 23:54.33 | jbot | the has neutral karma |
| 23:54.39 | mgeary | ~karma thebigdog |
| 23:54.39 | jbot | thebigdog has karma of 9 |
| 23:54.44 | mgeary | curses |
