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| 15:32.27 | mindjuju | everybody must still be asleep |
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| 15:37.39 | thebigdog | morning all |
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| 15:47.58 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 15:48.02 | mindjuju | everybody is asleep |
| 15:48.13 | thebigdog | not much mindjuju |
| 15:48.21 | thebigdog | just getting to work after a long night |
| 15:48.40 | mindjuju | yeah? party-goodtimes or work-projectstuff |
| 15:54.06 | mgeary | fungus: you around? |
| 15:58.46 | fungus | yes |
| 15:59.21 | mgeary | nm, i got it. I had 2 identical entries in named.conf, and the error msg i was getting didn't make that clear |
| 15:59.34 | mgeary | "reload failed", isn't exactly useful |
| 15:59.56 | mgeary | well, it's better than nothing, but more info would have been nice |
| 16:00.13 | synic | probably was in the log |
| 16:00.31 | mgeary | wasn't in the system log. might have been in a bind-specific log, i suppose |
| 16:00.43 | thebigdog | mindjuju - work stuff always...integration of phpbb3 with a site via postgresql and a blo |
| 16:00.54 | mgeary | bah. phpbb? |
| 16:00.58 | mgeary | ~console thebigdog |
| 16:00.58 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the consolation moose |
| 16:02.05 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:02.14 | thebigdog | but the integration was pretty cool |
| 16:02.22 | mgeary | do tell |
| 16:02.38 | thebigdog | did it all at the db level |
| 16:02.51 | thebigdog | triggers on the normal website into phpbb |
| 16:02.59 | thebigdog | with some stored procedures |
| 16:03.16 | mgeary | ah, so you avoided having to mod the phpbb code by using triggers & sprocs? nice |
| 16:03.25 | thebigdog | yep |
| 16:03.29 | mgeary | that's a good idea |
| 16:03.43 | mgeary | though phpbb has enough of a bad security rep that i still wouldn't do it |
| 16:03.49 | mgeary | we've rolled our own forum system |
| 16:03.57 | thebigdog | yeah i did not like it that much |
| 16:06.01 | mgeary | i was given an earful last week from a client who thinks we should have used more OSS php apps on their web application |
| 16:06.11 | thebigdog | oh yeha |
| 16:06.26 | mgeary | and i'm gearing up for a lengthy discussion on how once you mod that code for integration, you're in a tight spot |
| 16:06.41 | mgeary | and how 99% of OSS php code is pure and utter crap |
| 16:06.55 | thebigdog | the cool thing with mine is that it is so uncoupled from their code |
| 16:06.59 | mgeary | exactly |
| 16:07.04 | mgeary | good move, that |
| 16:07.22 | mgeary | but they don't get that. They just hear that they could have a free forum software, or they could pay us to develop a custom one |
| 16:07.22 | thebigdog | so upgrades are a piece of cake |
| 16:07.33 | thebigdog | yeah that is true |
| 16:07.39 | thebigdog | phpbb has so much extra crap |
| 16:07.48 | mgeary | and they don't understand that having a custom solution means you can have deep integration into the rest of their app/database |
| 16:07.51 | thebigdog | and i hate smarty with a passion |
| 16:07.52 | mgeary | bah |
| 16:07.57 | mgeary | heh. i like smarty :D |
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| 16:20.07 | mindjuju | ~apb fungus |
| 16:20.08 | jbot | ACTION calls Beth to find fungus |
| 16:20.54 | fungus | Who's Beth? |
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| 16:21.27 | mindjuju | beth is dog's wife |
| 16:22.26 | thebigdog | hehe |
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| 16:42.02 | thebigdog | mgeary, it really sucks |
| 16:42.18 | thebigdog | i had to mess with some domains the other day and it was so difficult |
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| 16:44.34 | unum | I really need to mave my domains to xmission |
| 16:56.18 | fungus | I love xmission too, but their registrar services are a bit limited. |
| 16:56.42 | fungus | Their interface for managing many domains is quite painful |
| 16:57.37 | unum | that's too bad |
| 16:58.17 | fungus | It's not really xmission's fault. They are just reselling opensrs/tucows stuff. |
| 17:04.52 | thebigdog | opensrs has always been crap...since back in 98 |
| 17:40.21 | synic | thebigdog is waaaay to metal for me. |
| 17:40.30 | thebigdog | haha |
| 17:40.37 | thebigdog | man it is all about the metal |
| 17:40.48 | thebigdog | guitars guitars and drums |
| 17:41.18 | thebigdog | isnt poetic a drummer |
| 17:41.46 | thebigdog | synic...now this is the song |
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| 18:00.41 | fungus | but i also like the Carpenters, Cher, and even classical too |
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| 18:22.17 | mgeary | new wave, baby |
| 18:37.18 | mindjuju | do you agree with it now? |
| 18:39.01 | _psychic_ | IANAE, but I feel like we should let it work itself out |
| 18:39.17 | mindjuju | ~wtf IANAE |
| 18:39.27 | _psychic_ | E = economist :) |
| 18:39.33 | _psychic_ | rather than IANAL |
| 18:39.41 | mindjuju | ah |
| 18:39.53 | _psychic_ | for one, printing up $700 billion is bad |
| 18:39.56 | mindjuju | i'm not an expert / etc |
| 18:40.12 | _psychic_ | for two, buying these weird securities and loans is super risky too |
| 18:40.17 | _psychic_ | I don't think we fully understand the value |
| 18:40.26 | _psychic_ | which is basically what the market is for, right? |
| 18:40.37 | mindjuju | true, hard to tell what is the right thing to do |
| 18:40.43 | mindjuju | too many variables in play |
| 18:41.00 | _psychic_ | I think letting it work itself out gives us a bad year or three, but playing commu-socialist will give us a bad decade or more |
| 18:41.13 | _psychic_ | that's why central economic planning doesn't work for very long |
| 18:42.01 | mindjuju | valid points |
| 18:42.16 | mgeary | i don't think we've got a choice |
| 18:43.19 | mgeary | what a lot of people don't understand is that businesses that are completely unrelated to this issue are going to be vastly impacted if money can't flow, and that's what we're talking about-- preventing banks from facilitating the flow of money. Short term loans that allow the gears of commerce to turn |
| 18:44.00 | mindjuju | mgeary, i think it's true, some don't understand that, but there are those that do understand that, but are afraid of the choices to resolve |
| 18:45.10 | _psychic_ | mgeary: inflating the bejeezus out of our currency and "investing" in these bad loans is only going to be worse |
| 18:45.14 | _psychic_ | no question it'll be bad either way |
| 18:45.21 | _psychic_ | I just thing one route is better than the other. |
| 18:45.39 | _psychic_ | Besides, what president are we setting here? Who gets bailouts in the future and to what degree? |
| 18:45.44 | _psychic_ | It's madness to start playing this game. |
| 18:46.11 | _psychic_ | btw last time Bush said he needed sweeping power to act in an emergency, where did it get us? ;) |
| 18:46.12 | olds | "Like the Iraq war and patriot act, this bill is fueled by fear and haste," said Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas. |
| 18:46.22 | _psychic_ | ex act ly. |
| 18:46.56 | _psychic_ | olds: how bout that game, eh? |
| 18:47.03 | olds | yea |
| 18:47.06 | olds | very nice |
| 18:47.18 | olds | had to go to some awful sports bar to watch it |
| 18:47.27 | olds | but very good game |
| 18:48.29 | _psychic_ | lumpy's? |
| 18:48.33 | olds | yea |
| 18:49.03 | olds | it could've been worse, but I just hate smoke filled bars |
| 18:49.08 | olds | if there were no smoke, it'd be fine |
| 18:49.15 | _psychic_ | I got a subscription to watch it on the web |
| 18:49.26 | _psychic_ | (I missed the game but saw the highlights) |
| 18:49.42 | olds | crazy free kick |
| 18:49.48 | olds | so perfect |
| 18:49.54 | _psychic_ | Javi is the stuff. |
| 18:50.34 | olds | Yura played the best game of his career |
| 18:50.41 | _psychic_ | Nice to see Yura get some pay for his work. |
| 18:50.42 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 18:51.00 | olds | we needed that 3 points |
| 18:51.23 | olds | if we dropped any points in that game, I'm not sure we'd even have a shot |
| 18:51.26 | _psychic_ | yup |
| 18:53.18 | thebigdog | it was a great game |
| 18:53.23 | thebigdog | i loved watching it in hd |
| 18:53.23 | _psychic_ | I'm going to watch that free kick for the rest of the day. |
| 18:54.44 | thebigdog | i loved the aggression in that game |
| 18:55.05 | thebigdog | poor joe cannon |
| 18:55.53 | _psychic_ | I didn't know you were a soccer fan thebigdog |
| 18:56.27 | thebigdog | yeah my buddy at work got me into it with my daughter |
| 18:57.05 | _psychic_ | our team really sucks sometimes, but I'm a big fan |
| 18:57.38 | thebigdog | i have been to like 3 games so far and will probably catch the 2 in the new stadium this year |
| 18:57.53 | _psychic_ | the second one is on my bday |
| 18:57.56 | _psychic_ | I'm there for sure. |
| 18:57.57 | thebigdog | oh nice |
| 18:58.37 | thebigdog | i started to watch it with my daughter and we both really enjoy it now...it is kinda our thing...the rest of the family does get into it like we do |
| 18:58.56 | thebigdog | does not get into it |
| 18:59.01 | _psychic_ | cool |
| 18:59.07 | _psychic_ | does she play as well? |
| 19:00.50 | thebigdog | yeah...it is kinda cool |
| 19:00.56 | _psychic_ | nice |
| 19:01.06 | thebigdog | she has some huge medical problems with her intestines |
| 19:01.14 | thebigdog | so we put her in soccer to help out |
| 19:01.20 | _psychic_ | hope that helps |
| 19:01.25 | thebigdog | turns out to be the best thing we did |
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| 19:38.11 | mindjuju | holy crap, Stock Market took a flying ninja kick to the jimmies as congress DOESN'T approve bill - http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/09/29/briefing-midday-bailout-markets-equity-cx_ss_0929markets21.html |
| 19:38.16 | mindjuju | 700 point loss |
| 19:40.54 | Utah_Dave | woot! |
| 19:41.18 | mindjuju | k, looks like i posted that too soon, more than half of that was gained back |
| 19:41.24 | mindjuju | meaning it's just down 312 points |
| 19:41.26 | mindjuju | sorry |
| 19:44.10 | mindjuju | utah_dave , looks like your request for a spacious swanky office was approved after all - http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10591785?source=rss |
| 19:47.25 | unum | hmm doesn't say where the land is located |
| 19:53.24 | Utah_Dave | sweet! Now I'll have some more trails to ride my dirt bike!! |
| 19:53.37 | Utah_Dave | just kidding |
| 19:54.48 | mindjuju | sure, sure |
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| 20:12.47 | SunSparc | I am getting these 'no such file or directory errors' with svn: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/791508592 |
| 20:13.01 | SunSparc | Why is cleanup trying to copy something that does not exist? |
| 20:13.34 | DexterTheDragon | your screwed |
| 20:16.20 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:16.21 | SunSparc | Thanks |
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| 20:22.08 | SunSparc | Is there any way to force svn cleanup to do it |
| 20:22.16 | SunSparc | 's job and skip errors? |
| 20:25.13 | _psychic_ | if you dont' have local modifications you're worried about, just delete the directories (or the whole thing) and re-check out |
| 20:26.09 | SunSparc | _psychic_: I have actually done that several times already. Each time it checks out and then does the same thing. |
| 20:26.22 | thebigdog | ;( SunSparc |
| 20:26.30 | SunSparc | :( indeed |
| 20:27.36 | thebigdog | perhaps svn is corrupt |
| 20:28.00 | SunSparc | hmmm |
| 20:28.32 | SunSparc | maybe if it is running for some political office... |
| 20:28.34 | _psychic_ | delete your whole hard drive and start over |
| 20:28.39 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 20:28.42 | _psychic_ | twice |
| 20:28.55 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Good idea. I have not tried that yet. |
| 20:29.10 | _psychic_ | if that doesn't work, do the same on the server. |
| 20:29.11 | _psychic_ | twice. |
| 20:29.22 | SunSparc | :D |
| 20:29.31 | tierra | perhaps you're using an older client with a newer server? |
| 20:29.44 | tierra | (which is normally supposed to work, but who knows) |
| 20:30.16 | SunSparc | tierra: I might consider that, except I do not think that cleanup contacts the server |
| 20:30.52 | thebigdog | Now I've heard there was a secret chord |
| 20:32.00 | SunSparc | Is it the one that Charlie's leopluradon uses? |
| 20:32.46 | tierra | are you doing something with that zip file btw? like changing it's svn:mime-type property? |
| 20:32.55 | thebigdog | Your faith was strong but you needed proof |
| 20:33.15 | thebigdog | You saw her bathing on the roof |
| 20:34.16 | SunSparc | tierra: the zip file is being having it's content extracted and copied to other places in that directory. |
| 20:34.25 | SunSparc | thebigdog: mgeary: good song |
| 20:35.06 | tierra | SunSparc: is this on Windows, and are you using cygwin for any of it? |
| 20:35.07 | SunSparc | I think the number of covers that is exist is 10 to the 4th. |
| 20:35.26 | SunSparc | tierra: Nope, linux on all sides. |
| 20:35.30 | tierra | hmm |
| 20:35.34 | SunSparc | Well, Unix/Linux |
| 20:35.38 | tierra | no idea then |
| 20:35.40 | SunSparc | OS X |
| 20:35.51 | SunSparc | Yeah, that is the end I have also come to. |
| 20:36.53 | SunSparc | And each time cleanup is run, another filename.zip.??.tmp file is created. |
| 20:40.04 | thebigdog | are you adding zip files to svn? |
| 20:40.38 | SunSparc | thebigdog: There is one in the repo. |
| 20:43.08 | SunSparc | Ok, here is a question on a different thread. Which of the plethora of "Hallellujah" covers is the best? |
| 20:45.11 | mgeary | i like the Rufus Wainwright one the best. From Shrek |
| 20:46.01 | SunSparc | Yeah, that is the one I hear the most. He did a good job with it. |
| 20:46.01 | thebigdog | i like this one the best - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2NEU6Xf7lM |
| 20:46.16 | SunSparc | Is that Rick singing? Dare I click... |
| 20:46.30 | thebigdog | you can click it |
| 20:46.47 | thebigdog | i like the arrangement |
| 20:46.53 | SunSparc | Oh, blast. I am at a clients office who blocks youtube |
| 20:47.04 | SunSparc | I will have to click it later. |
| 20:47.51 | thebigdog | haha |
| 20:47.55 | thebigdog | that is what ssh is for |
| 20:48.43 | mgeary | ? don't you mean proxy servers? |
| 20:49.39 | mgeary | how can you set up an ssh tunnel to work on web browsing? |
| 20:49.57 | thebigdog | ssh proxy |
| 20:50.09 | fungus | ssh -D 8080 ssh-server |
| 20:50.23 | mgeary | ... and then? |
| 20:50.26 | fungus | Then set your browser to use the socks proxy running at localhost port 8080 |
| 20:50.40 | thebigdog | i do it all the time |
| 20:50.41 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:50.49 | SunSparc | Hmm, I think my problem was other apps messing with the same stuff. Thanks for the help all. |
| 20:51.23 | thebigdog | i once set my home ssh server to listen on port 443 |
| 20:51.40 | thebigdog | and used that cause 80 and 443 there the only ones not blocked |
| 20:52.06 | thebigdog | i also set it on oracles port too...that was funny |
| 20:52.35 | thebigdog | when they didnt know way irc traffic was running on oracles db ports |
| 21:07.19 | unum | I know have a two way tunnel between work and my server |
| 21:07.36 | unum | I set up autossh, which is a bit of a security risk |
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