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| 01:13.24 | Utah_Dave | hey, wps. |
| 01:13.40 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
| 01:13.40 | jbot | flings poo at mindjuju |
| 01:20.24 | carmony | Bleh... there is programming I could do.. |
| 01:20.31 | carmony | just don't feel like it |
| 01:21.32 | Utah_Dave | I know the feeling |
| 01:24.05 | carmony | my wife is having a mary kay party in the living room... so no playing the xbox :( |
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| 01:31.33 | Utah_Dave | :) My wife is at a sewing class |
| 01:33.24 | carmony | I could clean my office... |
| 01:33.28 | carmony | ...... yeah.... |
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| 07:41.11 | thebigdog | evening all |
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| 15:36.39 | synic | mindjuju: I like this one |
| 15:40.32 | mgeary | hey, help me out with a tunneling issue |
| 15:40.58 | wps | the first thing that came to mind when you asked that, mgeary, was The Great Escape |
| 15:41.04 | mgeary | heh |
| 15:41.13 | wps | (one of my favorite movies) |
| 15:41.15 | fungus | tunneling what, and how. IPsec, L2TP, PPTP, ... |
| 15:41.24 | fungus | Chicken Run was better. |
| 15:41.58 | mgeary | Chicken Run was awesome. "No chicken escapes from Tweedy's Faaaaarm!" |
| 15:42.21 | mgeary | so, i'm trying to tunnel in to VNC a machine at my home |
| 15:42.55 | mgeary | trying to remember how i've got my home network set up. I've got a static IP, and i'm doing port forwarding of port 22 so i can ssh in from outside |
| 15:42.56 | fungus | oh, ssh tunnel |
| 15:42.58 | mgeary | yeah |
| 15:43.20 | mgeary | but i'm not doing port forwarding for VNC |
| 15:43.25 | mgeary | so i've got to hit the internal IP for that |
| 15:43.29 | fungus | is the VNC endpoint the same as the ssh server? |
| 15:43.29 | mgeary | here's what i'm currently using: |
| 15:43.41 | mgeary | yes |
| 15:43.57 | mgeary | ssh -N mgeary@dev.gearyweb.com -L 5800/minidev.local/5900 |
| 15:44.14 | mgeary | but when i run that, and try to connect to vnc://127.0.0.1:5800, i get a 'connection refused' |
| 15:44.17 | fungus | Use colons |
| 15:44.23 | fungus | instead of slashes |
| 15:44.40 | mgeary | well, the tunnel appears to work |
| 15:44.45 | mgeary | trying slashes though |
| 15:45.17 | mgeary | fungus: here's what i'm getting: |
| 15:45.19 | mgeary | "channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" |
| 15:45.36 | fungus | use the word localhost instead of minidev.local |
| 15:45.36 | eggyknap | ... the fact that connections between bones are made by ligaments and not tendons doesn't detract from Chicken Run too terribly :) |
| 15:45.58 | mgeary | fungus: same result |
| 15:46.39 | eggyknap | It was fun to dig up what I managed to remember from Gross Anatomy 101 a decade ago. |
| 15:46.47 | mgeary | when i've got the tunnel up, and i do this: telnet 127.0.0.1 5900 |
| 15:47.01 | mgeary | i get: |
| 15:47.01 | mgeary | Connected to localhost. |
| 15:47.02 | mgeary | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:47.02 | mgeary | RFB 003.889 |
| 15:47.20 | mgeary | oops |
| 15:47.24 | mgeary | that should be 588 |
| 15:47.25 | fungus | you just said 5900, but you are tunneling at 5800 |
| 15:47.26 | mgeary | 5800 |
| 15:47.29 | mgeary | yeah |
| 15:47.30 | mgeary | sec |
| 15:47.53 | mgeary | hrm. then i get: |
| 15:47.54 | mgeary | Connected to localhost. |
| 15:47.54 | mgeary | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:47.54 | mgeary | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 15:48.10 | fungus | right. |
| 15:48.25 | fungus | So that means localhost:5900 on the ssh server isn't listening |
| 15:48.58 | mgeary | except when i ssh into that machine |
| 15:49.00 | mgeary | and do this: |
| 15:49.05 | mgeary | telnet 127.0.0.1 5900 |
| 15:49.07 | mgeary | i get: |
| 15:49.11 | mgeary | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 15:49.11 | mgeary | Connected to localhost. |
| 15:49.11 | mgeary | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:49.12 | mgeary | RFB 003.889 |
| 15:49.58 | mgeary | ahh |
| 15:50.00 | mgeary | now it works |
| 15:50.07 | mgeary | using this: |
| 15:50.15 | mgeary | 5800:127.0.0.1:5900 |
| 15:50.26 | fungus | ahh, name resolution failure |
| 15:51.26 | fungus | try telnet localhost 5900 on the sshserver |
| 15:51.46 | mgeary | weird |
| 15:51.47 | mgeary | i get this-- |
| 15:51.54 | mgeary | Trying ::1... |
| 15:51.54 | mgeary | telnet: connect to address ::1: Connection refused |
| 15:51.54 | mgeary | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 15:51.55 | mgeary | Connected to localhost. |
| 15:51.55 | mgeary | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:51.55 | mgeary | RFB 003.889 |
| 15:52.11 | fungus | ahh. localhost resolves to the ip6 address first. |
| 15:52.21 | fungus | and the ssh server is only using the first address |
| 15:52.30 | mgeary | uhhh. YEAH! |
| 15:52.32 | fungus | also the vncserver isn't listening on the ip6 address |
| 15:57.58 | mgeary | muchas gracias |
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| 16:17.54 | mindjuju | mgeary, thumbs up or thumbs down on the drobo? |
| 16:18.42 | mgeary | still getting it all loaded up. I copied a bunch of stuff via FW800 yesterday from my MBP, and it wasn't as fast as i would have thought (took ~15 mins to copy 25 gigs), but so far no regrets |
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| 16:20.21 | mgeary | sshh. here he comes |
| 16:20.51 | mindjuju | so anyways mgeary, what do you thiink about the bailout? |
| 16:20.57 | mgeary | oh jeeze |
| 16:21.33 | mgeary | well... i agree that something must be done. I think many people don't realize that a bump in their taxes right now means protecting the value of their 401ks, and pension funds |
| 16:21.34 | thebigdog | yes mindjuju i am here now |
| 16:21.58 | mgeary | but i do think it's crazy to insist that no caps be placed on executive golden parachutes |
| 16:22.07 | mgeary | fortunately, i think that point has gone away |
| 16:22.14 | mindjuju | @mgeary, i think we should totally do the bailout, and I think we should open end it up to 2 tril if necessary |
| 16:22.20 | mindjuju | here's why |
| 16:22.45 | mgeary | frankly, Secretary Paulson has a dang impressive resume and does not have a reputation for partisianship |
| 16:22.47 | mindjuju | the minute they take the $$$, it must mean they are in trouble, which means thier credit sux, and i'm gonna raise the rate at which they borrow to 28% |
| 16:22.56 | mindjuju | and then, i'm gonna slap them slilly with fees |
| 16:23.19 | mindjuju | ah, 5 minutes late on that payment? $1billion late payment fee |
| 16:23.33 | mgeary | mindjuju: who do you think will be paying that late fee? Not the execs |
| 16:23.38 | mindjuju | we could really milk the banking system in overage fees, late payment fees |
| 16:23.44 | mindjuju | mgeary, more just kiddin' |
| 16:23.51 | wps | I don't like the bailout |
| 16:23.56 | wps | I think we should let the system crash |
| 16:23.59 | mindjuju | would be nice to make them pay fees |
| 16:24.01 | mgeary | wps: do you have any money in stocks? |
| 16:24.05 | wps | wake people up |
| 16:24.15 | wps | nope |
| 16:24.23 | mgeary | well, that explains your perspective |
| 16:24.53 | wps | I think we should go back to the '50s when you needed 40% down to buy a house |
| 16:25.01 | mgeary | the mutual fund market, which contains nearly all 401ks, IRAs, pension funds, etc. would take a huge beating |
| 16:25.21 | mgeary | that would be much, much worse than taking a hit now |
| 16:25.40 | mgeary | however, i DO think the bailout money should come directly from the DOD's budget |
| 16:25.53 | mindjuju | hilarious |
| 16:25.53 | mgeary | make them decide if they want more weapons, or a stable economy |
| 16:26.05 | mgeary | more war, or a stable economy |
| 16:26.09 | mindjuju | here i was going to suggest we pull it from SS and medicare/medicaid |
| 16:26.25 | wps | this country is four miles under water (debt) |
| 16:26.43 | wps | the last thing we need to do is prop the system up so that we can keep getting further into debt |
| 16:26.44 | mgeary | didn't used to be. Clinton balanced the budget, if you recall |
| 16:26.54 | wps | clinton still had national debt |
| 16:27.07 | mgeary | yes, but with a balanced budget, debt was shrinking |
| 16:27.19 | wps | this countries #1 priority should be completely eliminating the national debt |
| 16:27.30 | wps | completelyâ¦Â zero |
| 16:27.44 | wps | even if that means it hurting for a few years |
| 16:27.45 | fungus | I agree that is important, but definitely not priority #1 |
| 16:27.54 | fungus | maybe #5 |
| 16:28.15 | wps | but if individual people made stupid decisions and they are going to hurt when banks fail⦠that is their own faultâ¦Â not the governments |
| 16:28.58 | wps | (yes, fungus, perhaps not #1, but it has got to be fixedâ¦Â I don't understand why it is not a bigger priority) |
| 16:30.13 | wps | investingâ¦Â stocksâ¦Â taking out a loanâ¦Â becoming a debtor is a riskâ¦Â you're own riskâ¦Â if you're not willing to deal with the possible consequences (such as loosing your house when you loose your job and can't pay for it), then you should take the loan in the first place |
| 16:30.35 | wps | the american lifestyle is rediculous |
| 16:30.37 | fungus | It's not just the individuals spending more than they have, it's also the banks stupid enough to loan money high credit risks |
| 16:30.46 | wps | our homes, cars, nearly everything most american have isn't theirs |
| 16:31.51 | fungus | s/y h/y to h/ |
| 16:32.04 | fungus | whatever |
| 16:32.53 | fungus | The problem goes deeper than that. It's a lifestyle problem, as you pointed out |
| 16:33.19 | wps | the only thing you should go into debt or is a home and possibly education |
| 16:33.26 | wps | you don't need a loan for anything else |
| 16:33.34 | wps | no, not even a car |
| 16:33.36 | thebigdog | education then home |
| 16:33.50 | orsonj | you almost need one for a kid (provided you have crappy insurance) |
| 16:33.53 | thebigdog | i get better rates on my education then my home |
| 16:36.11 | fungus | education as long as it isn't a private student loan. those guys are evil! |
| 16:43.48 | mindjuju | @fungus or others, if i am reading this correctly, in Apache 2, Listen is where i bind Apache to a specific IP(s) and prts, right? |
| 16:45.34 | fungus | right |
| 16:45.49 | mindjuju | :) awesome, thx |
| 16:55.32 | beandog | someone that reads the docs, thats an anomaly |
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| 16:58.33 | orsonj | you think that is strange, try finding people who read the licenses |
| 16:59.20 | orsonj | the docs at least contain useful information |
| 16:59.50 | unum | this is my favorite article about reading licenses |
| 17:00.10 | unum | http://www.cypherpunks.ca/dell.html |
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| 17:05.58 | beandog | rawr |
| 17:13.40 | PoeticIntensity | unum, that article was pretty good... |
| 17:14.02 | PoeticIntensity | kind of sad that nowadays the licenses are provided as nothing more than legal fodder for when stuff goes wrong. |
| 17:14.23 | unum | ya |
| 17:14.25 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... so much so that they assume nobody reads them. |
| 17:15.23 | orsonj | yep, I read the one for my internet service. There was some stuff in there that didn't even apply |
| 17:15.49 | PoeticIntensity | "...erm... hey... Do we need a license for this?" |
| 17:15.53 | PoeticIntensity | "yeah...." |
| 17:15.57 | PoeticIntensity | "Where do we get one?" |
| 17:16.05 | PoeticIntensity | "Ummm... go find one on google and copy it". |
| 17:16.14 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:16.50 | mgeary | well, if there weren't so many jerks out there trying to exploit things, licenses could be a lot simpler |
| 17:16.56 | PoeticIntensity | yup |
| 17:16.58 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt. |
| 17:17.04 | PoeticIntensity | goes both ways. |
| 17:23.34 | orsonj | they claim the right to enter your premise if they feel their equiptment is in danger, but if anything happens to their equiptment, you are responsible to cover the cost. |
| 17:23.44 | orsonj | come on, just pick one or the other. |
| 17:23.54 | mgeary | who claims this? |
| 17:23.58 | orsonj | digis |
| 17:24.09 | mgeary | bah |
| 17:24.20 | orsonj | http://digis.net/services/agreements/agreement.shtml the lats 1/4 of #5 |
| 17:24.29 | orsonj | s/lats/last/ |
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| 17:27.36 | mindjuju | wow, orsonj |
| 17:27.41 | mindjuju | that's craziness |
| 17:27.50 | mindjuju | glad i'm not with them |
| 17:28.06 | mgeary | mindjuju: i'll bet your isp isn't substantially different |
| 17:28.22 | beandog | thats why I use comcast |
| 17:28.27 | mindjuju | who comcast? no way! |
| 17:28.32 | beandog | They are known nationwide for their fair and equitable consumer practices |
| 17:28.34 | mgeary | hahahahaha |
| 17:29.16 | mindjuju | well, i did get a month to month contract ... guess i'll go back to mooching wifi from the neighbors |
| 17:29.31 | beandog | mindjuju is smooching the neighbors? |
| 17:29.51 | mindjuju | or moving into code greene 's basement and using xmission free wifi |
| 17:30.04 | mindjuju | ~toejam beandog |
| 17:30.05 | jbot | ACTION wipes all the crud and beandog from out between his toes. Yuck! |
| 17:32.28 | orsonj | They also have the ability to download software updates automatically to my computer. (I didn't even have to install software on my computer to get access) |
| 17:32.53 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 17:33.02 | orsonj | (about 2/3 through part 4 of above agreement) |
| 17:33.14 | mgeary | i'd like to know how they propose doing that |
| 17:33.18 | orsonj | me too |
| 17:33.24 | mgeary | i'd like to see them try |
| 17:33.33 | orsonj | yep, since it is linux |
| 17:33.35 | mgeary | Windows people are such sheep |
| 17:35.18 | PoeticIntensity | I feel exactly the same. |
| 17:35.34 | beandog | the world runs on java |
| 17:35.37 | mindjuju | bah bah |
| 17:35.39 | orsonj | I decided it would be ok to sign up after reading this: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080831104451947 I signed up just a few days after reading that article |
| 17:35.41 | PoeticIntensity | heck, even substitute "most of humanity" for "windows people" and it'd still be true. |
| 17:35.51 | mgeary | well that's true |
| 17:36.18 | PoeticIntensity | and for your hourly web-based entertainment.... |
| 17:36.28 | PoeticIntensity | we present: Computer Cases of the world. |
| 17:36.28 | mgeary | did you guys see that comment from Bill Maher the other day? |
| 17:36.30 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.gobossy.com/computer-cases/ |
| 17:36.54 | beandog | wtc |
| 17:36.54 | mgeary | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmCC_jasq0E |
| 17:38.14 | orsonj | http://www.gobossy.com/computer-cases/Amazing%20Futuristing%20&%20Crazy%20Computer%20Cases/555668663_d68862496d_o.jpg |
| 17:38.42 | orsonj | That has got to be the best way to do a cluster. (it was near the bottom) |
| 17:38.55 | PoeticIntensity | heh... yup |
| 17:42.58 | mgeary | only about the first 40 seconds of that clip ^^ are worth much, but i think it's an important point |
| 18:19.16 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/She-Ra-Princess-Power-Season-Two/dp/B000SK5YZI/ref=pd_ys_ir_all_10 |
| 18:19.18 | beandog | hey its on sale |
| 18:19.39 | mgeary | bah. I KNEW i should have waited |
| 18:21.50 | beandog | heh |
| 18:29.14 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BFO07I/ref=pd_luc_hashrec_02_02 |
| 18:29.14 | beandog | oh boy |
| 19:02.33 | mgeary | she's not angry anymore,, Joey |
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| 20:09.06 | thebigdog | you guys and your music |
| 20:09.47 | synic | mindjuju: this one is good too |
| 20:09.47 | synic | way out west ++ |
| 20:14.38 | fungus | I got all kinds. |
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| 20:32.59 | mgeary | heh. so i just got a call from a client |
| 20:33.12 | mgeary | disputing the cost of a line-item on an invoice |
| 20:33.44 | mgeary | so, this is a sub-contracting deal, and he "only" marked it up 10% |
| 20:34.03 | mgeary | so he wants me to charge him less, because he neglected to mark it up more |
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| 20:34.30 | wps | poor guy |
| 20:34.55 | mgeary | yeah. i almost felt bad for him |
| 20:34.57 | mgeary | then i got over it |
| 20:36.34 | mgeary | i mean, if he was *losing* money over it, i might be inclined to split the difference or something. but if he's just upset because he didn't mark it up enough...? |
| 20:36.37 | mgeary | bah |
| 20:38.40 | wps | I haven't heard of Shallow Bay |
| 20:38.43 | wps | what kind of music? |
| 20:38.54 | thebigdog | that is the song |
| 20:38.59 | thebigdog | breaking benjamin is the band |
| 20:39.06 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 20:39.18 | thebigdog | its too heavy for you wps |
| 20:44.55 | mgeary | bah |
| 20:45.24 | mgeary | ~airsupply thebigdog |
| 20:45.25 | jbot | ACTION takes thebigdog by the hand, hunkers down on one knee, gazes fondly into thebigdog's eyes, and croons, "'cause you're every woman in the world to meeeee...." |
| 20:45.44 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap mgeary |
| 20:45.45 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps mgeary. ouch! |
| 20:48.33 | thebigdog | chinchilla of course |
| 20:49.44 | mgeary | so, apparently iTunes doesn't let you rip into MP3 anymore. Only AAC... :< |
| 20:50.00 | beandog | lame |
| 20:50.02 | mgeary | oh wait |
| 20:50.07 | mgeary | they just moved the setting |
| 20:50.07 | beandog | AAC is so 1995 |
| 20:50.21 | mgeary | aac rocks, but not when you need mp3s for flash playback |
| 20:51.17 | unum | all my stuff is in ogg. I understand game developers tend to use ogg |
| 20:51.37 | unum | well the coulton songs I just bought are mp3 |
| 20:53.50 | thebigdog | ogg is the only way |
| 21:00.26 | beandog | Matroska > Ogg |
| 21:00.45 | DexterTheDragon | Matroska > * |
| 21:00.50 | DexterTheDragon | but nobody uses it |
| 21:00.58 | beandog | its actually getting more popular |
| 21:04.22 | mgeary | ~matroska |
| 21:04.36 | mgeary | ~wiki matroska |
| 21:04.38 | beandog | http://matroska.org/ |
| 21:04.42 | beandog | mgeary, codec container |
| 21:04.52 | mgeary | so.. like quicktime |
| 21:04.55 | mgeary | ;) |
| 21:04.56 | beandog | mm, no |
| 21:05.01 | beandog | QuickTime isn't a format |
| 21:05.08 | beandog | MOV is, but it doesnt hold jack squat |
| 21:05.10 | mgeary | right. it's an architecture |
| 21:05.11 | beandog | Nothing does compared to MKV |
| 21:05.17 | mgeary | a "codec container" :) |
| 21:06.12 | beandog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats |
| 21:06.47 | beandog | MKV wins |
| 21:06.48 | beandog | :) |
| 21:06.49 | mgeary | nice |
| 21:07.02 | thebigdog | mkv is a great container...but for music i perfer ogg format |
| 21:07.17 | beandog | Matroska Vorbis :D |
| 21:07.25 | beandog | Not many players support .mka though |
| 21:07.25 | beandog | :T |
| 21:07.26 | beandog | :C |
| 21:07.56 | DexterTheDragon | :P |
| 21:08.01 | DexterTheDragon | heh tcp |
| 22:07.02 | itimber | I'm out...... later guys |
| 22:32.08 | beandog | Im pooped. |
| 22:32.14 | beandog | time to watch youtube for the rest of the day |
| 22:32.51 | beandog | it'll be a great way to end a workday of watching youtube |
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