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02:50.16tonedevfwhere do people go when they finally leave trac?
02:51.33beandogthe other side of the trac
02:51.42tonedevfoops, wrong channel.  though i am interested in any of your opinions on bug tracking systems too ... i just wouldn't have asked it that way in the php channel, only the python channel
02:52.09beandogtrac rawks.
02:52.34tonedevfit's served me well, don't get me wrong.  but it's got quirks
02:52.39beandogwe just started using this one at work, http://taskfreak.com/
02:52.40beandogagreed
02:52.43beandogI dunno much about it
02:53.49tonedevflooks interesting... the GTG influence/compatibility is intriguing
02:54.38beandogTheres a few out there
02:54.47beandogIve never really been impressed with any except bugzilla and trac
02:54.53beandogwhich arent even php-driven
02:55.51tonedevfwhat would you say is the biggest pro/con between those two?
02:55.57tonedevfi haven't tried bugzilla
02:56.16beandogI dunno
02:56.23beandogIm mostly just going off the fact that Im familiar with them
02:56.35beandogso I'm obviously biased
02:56.47beandogbut, IMO, most UIs for these things are just horrible
02:56.51beandogMantis BT is another one
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02:59.43tonedevfdoes bugzilla have a good time tracking add-on or even something built-in?
03:00.44beandogdunno
03:00.49beandogim going to the park, *aways*
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14:10.05croMorning all
14:10.57mindjujusup yo
14:44.56croanyone can tell me about the uphpu meeting tomorrow night?
14:48.24mindjujufunny you ask that, was just going to change the topic for the IRC chan
14:48.35mindjujuhere is the info :: top post :: http://uphpu.org/
14:49.05croAh! thanks.  I'll add that feed to my Google Reader
14:49.31mindjuju:)
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14:59.48mindjujuholy crap!
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15:00.11mindjujuthis has got to be the best thing since Dr. Dimento 's Star Trekkin' - http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/5212217281
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15:05.43*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> UPHPU meeting Thursday on PHP + PGSQL :: Sept 18 @ 7p | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
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15:23.55croYo itimber
15:24.06itimbersup cro
15:24.21itimberhow you doin' </gangster>
15:24.47cro<gangster>No concrete overshoes for me today. :-) </ganster>
15:26.28itimberdon't mess w/ me, I'll put a horse in your bed  :)
15:26.28croBad horse, Bad Hooooooorse!
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15:26.34itimberLOL
15:26.37mindjujuBad Horse, the thoroughbred of sin?
15:26.40croyes
15:26.58crohysterical, I just didn't like the ending
15:27.08crowell, just the part where Penny got killed
15:27.19itimberit's a comedy?
15:27.23mrkrowDr. Horrible rocks
15:27.25croyes
15:27.46mrkrowwife hated the ending too
15:27.48croanyone know if there will be more?
15:28.03croitimber: free @ hulu.com right now
15:28.37itimbercool
15:28.59crohttp://hulu.com/watch/28327/dr-horribles-sing-along-blog-act-one
15:29.00mrkrowhttp://www.drhorrible.com/mushortio.html
15:29.26mrkrowthat is on the dr horrible website and it only has 3 areas for commercials that are about 60 seconds long
15:31.01crohulu just made us watch the one commercial at the beginning of each act.  I was surprised.
15:31.06mindjujuthese are cool - http://www.colourlovers.com/blog/2008/09/16/33-masters-of-cg-art-awesome-digital-inspiration/
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15:37.09mindjujucro, loved dr. horrible
15:37.27mindjujuyou know though, what would have been perfect.
15:37.37crowhat's that?
15:37.47mindjujuthe fall of dr horrible, THAT should have been anakin's tale
15:38.01mindjujusomebody caught up in fate
15:39.01croright
15:39.11mindjujuthat could have been awesome
15:55.36DexterTheDragonthey are making a Dr. Horrbile dvd that will have "Commentary! - The Musical"
16:08.07macnewbold~yow
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16:09.47mgearyum, jbot, Budapest is a *city*
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16:36.00SunSparcWhat is your opinion on this video:  http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/08/obama-wants-to-protect-america/
16:38.47unumis that a general question, or were asking someone specific
16:38.49mindjujucuriously enough, that's been posted in this channel before
16:39.00mindjujucan't rmember when though, but i remember seeing it
16:39.08SunSparcunum: Just general
16:39.27thebigdogmindjuju you have a pm
16:39.32unumI'm not opposed to missle defense programs and I like defense research spending
16:39.55unumbut I do think we spend a lot of money developing the wrong things
16:39.59unumlike the osprey
16:40.32mgearybut i think it's crazy how much maintaining our nuclear arsenal costs us
16:40.39unumI agree with that
16:40.40mgearywth are we ever going to do with it?
16:40.44thebigdogunum the dollar figures would shock anyone on the amount we waste
16:40.56thebigdogmgeary, sell it
16:40.57unumthebigdog: I'm sure that's true
16:41.16unumthe problem  is we all want to continue to get our piece
16:41.21SunSparcI personally enjoy all the side benefits we get from defense research programs.  A lot of the technology we use today comes from that.  Although, we could probably achieve the same results from funding completely private research.
16:41.34mgearyfunding research is one thing
16:41.38unumin the last US senate race the incumbent ran on the platform that he'll bring home the pork
16:41.44mgearymaintaing 10k+ nukes is another
16:42.08unumin the video he says he want to cut back on research
16:42.14mgearyyeah, haven't watched the vid yet
16:42.30mgearythat's crazy, unum
16:42.33unumbut he does also talk about cutting back on nukes, which I agree
16:42.38unummgeary: oops
16:42.41unumI typed that wrong
16:42.53unumI don't like public financing of private research
16:43.12unumI feel like we get to pay for it twice which is just stupid
16:43.32unumif the research in publicly financed the results should be publicly held
16:43.45SunSparcI keep wanting to have an open mind about Obama and possibly having him as president, but I keep hearing things from him that I do not completely endorse.  The same can be said for McCain, although, as this point, I think I disagree with less that McCain says.
16:44.40unumthe news this week has made me feel better about my support of Obama
16:44.56SunSparcunum: How do we pay twice with public funding of private research.  Taxes and purchasing of products derived from the research?
16:45.06unumthe older I get the more I realize my libertarian parents didn't know what they were talking about
16:45.15unumSunSparc: exactly
16:45.49unumthe price of the products are artificually inflate by the patents held on the research
16:45.51mindjujuunum, what did your parents argue that was wrong?
16:46.04mgearyi've got no problem with that video
16:46.19mgearyfrankly, though, i doubt he could accomplish all that
16:46.25unummindjuju: that free market is good
16:46.43unummaybe I should say that the free market is always good
16:47.06unumwhen ever I point out specific examples of failure my mother will concede, but she never taught me about those
16:47.33mgeary"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
16:47.48mindjujugeorge washington, no?
16:47.55macnewboldjefferson I think
16:47.55mgearybah
16:47.58mgearyEisenhower
16:48.11mgearyhttp://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
16:48.44mindjujulast of the honest presidents, methinks
16:49.37mgearyi dunno. I don't remember much of Carter's actual term as president, but i've been very impressed with the character he's shown in his time after serving
16:52.14unumcarter has been one of the best expresidents, not such a great president imnsho
16:52.54mgearyI wasn't commenting on his actual president skills, though, i was reacting to "last of honest presidents"
16:53.18mgearyand it is certainly the case that honesty alone does not guarantee a good president
16:53.19unumya and that may be
16:53.44unumhe probably didn't learn much about lying as a peanut farmer :)
16:54.49unumI'm suprised people around here aren't talking more about the abortion issue
16:55.06unumthough I guess realyl it is nice....
16:55.33SunSparcWhat is his stand on abortion?
16:55.38unumthough I would prefer that over "I saw a video where he didn't put his hand over his heart"
16:55.53unumobama wants to reduce abortion through education
16:56.11unummccain/palin want to outlaw it even in cases of rape/incest
16:56.58SunSparcseems like a good combination of both would be best.
16:57.10mgearyhey, i'm just glad they're not talking about flag burning
16:57.12mgeary...yet
16:57.19SunSparcAlthough a well educated people is better than any laws.
16:58.04unumpalin supports abstience education only
16:58.05SunSparcAs long as the education includes common sense and respect of others freedoms
16:58.50unummgeary: that's hatch's issue
16:59.11mgearyit's the issue of every congressman who wants to distract the public from real issues
16:59.20unummgeary: agreed
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17:44.30mindjujudi.fm is playing some killer eurotrance
17:44.36mindjujufor those of you who indulge
17:45.04mindjujucatching it about half way through, but it sounds like Blank and Jones
17:46.35thebigdog^5 mindjuju
17:48.09mindjujudude, that's one of the best songs on that album
17:48.59mgearyyeah, Morrissey's songs are either fantastic or "meh"
17:55.36mindjujuhmmm, took some time, but finally found it
17:55.43mindjujua small ray of hope in this financial mess
17:55.46mindjujuCrude oil rebounded $1.87 to $93.02 a barrel on the New York Mercantile  Exchange. Crude dropped by about $10 a barrel on Monday and Tuesday amid  concerns that economic weakness will hurt demand.
17:56.01mindjujusure, it gained $2, but it's down a crap load
17:56.27mindjujuhonestly, I saw it at $103, and missed the drop down to $93
17:57.25jsmithDon't forget that OPEC tightened the supply the other day as well, to keep it from falling further
17:57.34jsmithJust goes to show how over-inflated the price of crude is
17:57.42mindjujuyeah
17:59.00mindjujuso jsmith, when are you going to make a zero-point power generator
17:59.06jsmithI mean, how would we treat Qwikie-Mart if they stopped producing as many Squishies just so that the price wouldn't drop
17:59.19jsmithmindjuju: I don't need that :-)
17:59.25mgearydid you know it costs Saudi Arabia $2 to produce a barrel of oil?
17:59.28jsmithmindjuju: The sun has enough power already :-)
17:59.32mindjujuah
17:59.41mindjujuwas going to ask if you had something in mind
17:59.43jsmithmgeary: Yeah, but transportation costs play a lot into that
18:00.01mindjujuso are you a fan of solar energy?
18:00.05jsmithmgeary: Plus, their oil isn't light sweet crude, so it's not apples-to-apples comparison
18:00.11jsmithmindjuju: Yeah, just not photovoltaics :-)
18:00.22jsmithmindjuju: I'm more a fan of "The sun makes plants grow"
18:00.45mindjujuis that the older tech?  i'm not up on solar tech, but somebody was telling me that some new cells are looking very promising
18:01.16mgearywhat ever happened to fuel cells?
18:01.40SunSparcfuel cells are still out there
18:06.06jsmithmgeary: Fuel cells take methane/propane/natural gas/hydrogen, and still aren't very efficient
18:06.37mgearyfive years ago they were going to be the next big thing
18:07.22SunSparcthere are some auxiliary technologies that need to be worked on before fuel cells can be efficient.
18:09.38mindjujuwell, i wish we'd try to recapture older, more efficient tech like http://tinyurl.com/63w4gd
18:10.40mindjujuand that engine DOES work on water
18:11.00SunSparc;)
18:11.20SunSparcI use that tech on my bike
18:11.30mindjuju:)
18:47.20unumjosephscott: which driver are you going to be presenting on with the php+pg
18:50.03josephscottunum: since most folks are probably most familiar with the mysql_* functions I planned on covering the pg_* functions (http://us2.php.net/manual/en/book.pgsql.php)
18:51.53unumI've been using the mdb2 stuff for a while.  I really like it.
18:53.21josephscottpretty much all of the abstraction layers support pg
18:55.18unumwell I've been using it with pg
18:55.40unumI'm just not sure I've been doing things the best way
18:55.55unumplus I'm not sure I correctly understand how transactions work
18:56.07unumbut those are handled differently by the abstraction layers
18:56.47jsmithunum: The idea of a transaction is simple.  Anything outside of the transaction only sees the state of the database before the transaction or after, but nothing between the time it started and the time it ended (or was rolled back to the previous state)
18:58.47mindjujuk, it's decided
18:59.19mindjujufor Halloween, i'm building a rube goldberg machine to dispense candy and dressing up as mad scientist
19:18.28itimberout for a meeting.... later
19:35.46unumjsmith: I guess my problem is I don't know how to test to see that it's working....
19:35.55unumI guess I do now have a way to test that....
19:36.21jsmithBEGIN;
19:36.46jsmithUPDATE savings_account SET balance = balance - 100 WHERE account_id = 123;
19:37.05jsmithUPDATE checking_account SET balance = balance + 100 WHERE account_id = 123;
19:37.06jsmithEND;
19:37.35jsmithIf you do a bunch of SELECTs, you'll never catch the database between the two UPDATEs
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20:27.40beandogdoesnt mysql5 let you set a function for a default value?
20:59.09mindjujufungus, dexterthedragon, 29 hrs until the afterhours party
20:59.18mindjujubout time too
20:59.23DexterTheDragonrofl
21:00.37mindjujuand dude, check it, this company, Toro Systems is sponsoring appetizers at Applebees
21:00.48mindjuju!
21:00.48DexterTheDragonsweet
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21:11.13beandogis anyone gonna record tomorrow's meeting
21:11.58mindjujuyes, but not for you
21:12.11DexterTheDragonits an anti-beandog recorder
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21:12.34beandogbut I wanted to go down in history
21:12.35beandog:C
21:12.44mindjuju4 beandog and his question about recording - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBsxqQIu_5s&NR=1
21:12.48beandogmaybe Ill just go down.
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21:13.06beandogmindjuju, lol
21:13.24beandogthose eyebrows really freak me out.
21:13.30mindjuju:)
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21:32.12TrevynWho is Jazco?
21:32.41Trevynis Wade Preston Shearer in here?
21:36.05jsmithTrevyn: Wade is wps
21:45.27mindjujuhi Trevyn
21:46.04Trevynmindjuju: hi
21:46.20Trevynjsmith: Cool thanks.
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21:55.47thebigdogsorry all i will not be their
21:55.51thebigdogenjoy the apps on me
21:56.19mgearyTrevyn left already?
21:56.34mgearyboy, that was...uneventful
21:57.57beandogyou scared him off
21:58.03thebigdogmgeary, i was waiting too
21:58.07thebigdogthat would have been great
21:58.18thebigdogmindjuju, take many picts at the after party
21:58.20mgearybah. wps did he PM you?
21:58.23thebigdogand then you can shop me in
21:58.59beandogwheres his blog again
21:59.35mgearyutahstandards something or other
22:00.51beandogwww.utahwebstandards.com
22:00.52beandogis down.
22:00.52beandog:C
22:03.21thebigdoghaha
22:03.24thebigdogthat is funnyt
22:03.48thebigdogpurchase the domain
22:04.55mgearyit hasn't expired
22:05.01mgearybut the DNS has been emptied
22:05.14mgearyheh. his ISP probably got a takedown notice
22:05.27unumI'd forgotten about that guy
22:05.46mgearyahahaha
22:05.50mgearyhttp://chasesagum.com/do-you-like-this-blog-fave-on-technorati
22:06.01mgearyTrevyn says:
22:06.01mgearyI like this blog and utahwebstandards.com also. They are good resources.
22:06.08mgearynice plug of your own site there
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