| 00:00.09 | tierra | I also have another server that just runs postfix in it's simplest configuration - local mail relay only |
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| 00:21.38 | romanovic | hi everybody! |
| 00:23.26 | thebigdog | whatz up |
| 00:24.10 | romanovic | homework. how you doing, thebigdog? |
| 00:28.43 | thebigdog | not bad just working is all |
| 00:28.56 | thebigdog | getting a laptop configured |
| 00:43.22 | romanovic | oh really? coincidentally i'm reformatting a laptop that will become my visual studio pc for school |
| 01:10.16 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 01:10.24 | thebigdog | visual studio...yuck |
| 01:10.26 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 01:10.39 | thebigdog | i had to do that in college too |
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| 03:34.00 | nvrpunk | hello |
| 03:34.04 | nvrpunk | anyone around? |
| 03:34.15 | bwelker | nope |
| 03:34.50 | bwelker | what's up? |
| 03:36.02 | bwelker | did you have a question? or just wanted to chat? |
| 03:42.14 | nvrpunk | had a question |
| 03:42.25 | nvrpunk | how do i define a form input width? |
| 03:42.29 | nvrpunk | ie a text box |
| 03:42.32 | nvrpunk | without a td |
| 03:42.34 | nvrpunk | or such |
| 03:42.51 | wps | <input style="width: 100px" /> |
| 03:43.59 | wps | or |
| 03:44.27 | wps | <input class="text" /> <style>input.text { width: 100px } </style> |
| 03:44.32 | wps | or |
| 03:44.43 | wps | put the style declaration in an external style sheet (preferred) |
| 03:45.08 | wps | (note that with option 2, the style tags should be in the header) |
| 03:46.08 | wps | the preferred way is in an external style sheet, but there are times and places for all three |
| 03:47.30 | nvrpunk | wps: thanks I am just adding the style in the php atm, will toss it ina style sheet later |
| 03:47.56 | wps | what is "php atm" ? |
| 03:48.39 | bwelker | wtf atm |
| 03:48.44 | bwelker | ~atf atm |
| 03:48.48 | bwelker | ~wtf atm |
| 03:48.51 | bwelker | geez |
| 03:49.15 | wps | ~wedgie jbot |
| 03:49.15 | jbot | ACTION hangs jbot from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 03:49.42 | bwelker | ~wedgie myself for disgracing mavis |
| 03:49.43 | jbot | ACTION hangs myself for disgracing mavis from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 03:50.01 | wps | mavis? |
| 03:50.24 | bwelker | mavis beacon teashes typing |
| 03:50.32 | bwelker | *teaches |
| 03:50.33 | bwelker | wow |
| 03:50.52 | bwelker | it's a typing softwares |
| 03:51.02 | wps | ah |
| 03:51.05 | bwelker | that aparently i need to revisit |
| 03:51.21 | bwelker | or maybe i can blame it on my new keyboard |
| 03:51.26 | bwelker | yeah, that's the ticket |
| 03:54.21 | nvrpunk | hmm |
| 03:54.48 | nvrpunk | how do I remove the small indentation border from a text input box? |
| 03:55.00 | nvrpunk | is there a way to do it consistently across browsers? |
| 03:55.12 | wps | what do you mean by indention border? |
| 03:55.15 | bwelker | seta border in your css |
| 03:56.08 | bwelker | i usually use something like {border: 1px solid #000;} |
| 03:56.20 | bwelker | all browsers recognize it |
| 03:56.35 | nvrpunk | like.. the text input box is white it has a small boder thats not white that shows it's a rectangle |
| 03:56.39 | nvrpunk | :) |
| 03:58.05 | bwelker | you can use any css you'd like on the input box |
| 03:59.03 | nvrpunk | bwelker: thanks that worked perfectly ;) |
| 04:01.11 | wps | be aware that if you set input { border }, you will get borders around your buttons as well |
| 04:01.26 | wps | the answer is to use attribute selectors, like this⦠|
| 04:01.39 | wps | input[text] { border } |
| 04:01.43 | wps | but of course, IE doesn't support that |
| 04:01.47 | wps | so I do this: |
| 04:01.56 | wps | <input class="text" /> |
| 04:02.07 | wps | input.text { border } |
| 04:02.10 | bwelker | right |
| 04:02.16 | wps | ~melvin IE |
| 04:02.16 | jbot | ACTION pulls IE underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 04:02.18 | bwelker | sorry, i overlooked that |
| 04:02.32 | bwelker | ~bdhit IE |
| 04:02.33 | jbot | ACTION leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on IE |
| 04:02.43 | bwelker | ~IE |
| 04:02.43 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, ie is the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer |
| 04:02.54 | bwelker | srsly |
| 04:03.33 | bwelker | and can write correct code for all browsers (incl. IE) |
| 04:04.03 | bwelker | but that might not happen in my lifetime the way IE is handling thier release cycles |
| 04:04.42 | wps | yeahâ¦Â they are the complete opposite of the Fedora project |
| 04:05.09 | wps | Fedora releases a major rev every four monthsâ¦Â IE, every four years |
| 04:05.14 | wps | (if that) |
| 04:05.15 | bwelker | of any self-respecting software |
| 04:05.38 | bwelker | firefox is already on v3 |
| 04:09.27 | nvrpunk | ok |
| 04:09.35 | nvrpunk | may I ask a complex question now? |
| 04:09.35 | nvrpunk | haha |
| 04:09.43 | bwelker | sure |
| 04:09.48 | wps | noâ¦Â just one per day |
| 04:09.54 | nvrpunk | this one will require some looking at code though |
| 04:09.57 | wps | of course, nvrpunk |
| 04:09.58 | bwelker | and you used it all up on silly css |
| 04:10.00 | nvrpunk | because I am lost |
| 04:10.01 | nvrpunk | :) |
| 04:10.05 | wps | fire away |
| 04:10.09 | bwelker | bang |
| 04:10.18 | nvrpunk | one minute while I pastebin |
| 04:10.19 | wps | ~jbot, die |
| 04:10.19 | jbot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 04:10.34 | bwelker | alas, poor jbot, i knew him well |
| 04:10.52 | bwelker | lol |
| 04:11.36 | bwelker | make sure you pastebin in the little php's room, not the little perl's room, you might get in trouble |
| 04:12.00 | wps | ha ha |
| 04:12.17 | wps | man, I need some sleep |
| 04:12.56 | bwelker | you? i actually typed it |
| 04:13.30 | bwelker | did he fall in, seriously, who takes this long to pastebin |
| 04:13.42 | wps | :) |
| 04:13.42 | nvrpunk | http://pastebin.com/d69d446c7 |
| 04:13.46 | nvrpunk | theres the pastebin |
| 04:14.02 | wps | ahâ¦Â he was double-spacing |
| 04:14.07 | nvrpunk | I am trying to make a new version of our old site |
| 04:14.15 | nvrpunk | old = http://www.jackalwireless.net |
| 04:14.29 | nvrpunk | new = http://www.jackalwireless.net/hotspot/newsite |
| 04:14.49 | bwelker | ok, what's the problem |
| 04:14.52 | nvrpunk | but a) i don't know enough php and b) i tried but got lost |
| 04:14.57 | nvrpunk | it doesn't log on |
| 04:15.29 | wps | you're an ISP in IRAQ? |
| 04:15.33 | nvrpunk | I am trying to make it so the login and management are the same form |
| 04:15.39 | nvrpunk | no, I am a lackey |
| 04:15.45 | nvrpunk | who works for a dude who runs one :) |
| 04:16.01 | nvrpunk | its like a two man show |
| 04:16.04 | nvrpunk | he and me |
| 04:16.20 | nvrpunk | I know linux and sat coms, he knows sat coms and php |
| 04:16.31 | wps | interesting |
| 04:16.32 | nvrpunk | well he knows basic php but more than i |
| 04:16.34 | bwelker | so what kind of errors are you getting when you try to log in |
| 04:16.51 | nvrpunk | nothing, its not even trying |
| 04:16.55 | nvrpunk | did you look at the past bin? |
| 04:17.57 | bwelker | what does the rewriteURL function do? |
| 04:18.39 | nvrpunk | nothing ? hehe sec |
| 04:21.26 | nvrpunk | bwelker: I didn't include the function in the file woops |
| 04:21.35 | nvrpunk | like, in the index.php even |
| 04:21.36 | nvrpunk | heh |
| 04:21.52 | bwelker | that might be your problem |
| 04:23.31 | nvrpunk | http://pastebin.com/d61ba0655 |
| 04:23.32 | nvrpunk | here |
| 04:23.43 | nvrpunk | thats my entire index.php |
| 04:26.25 | bwelker | ok? so where are your functions to deal with the login? |
| 04:26.50 | bwelker | it seems to be sending it back to index with a get string of "login" but then doesn't do anything with the data |
| 04:27.15 | nvrpunk | yeah all the data is parsed by manage.html it seems |
| 04:27.34 | nvrpunk | hmm, sorry I am working with examples from a new site that was never finished |
| 04:27.44 | nvrpunk | one minute |
| 04:27.52 | nvrpunk | ill explain even better because this is a hodge |
| 04:29.46 | nvrpunk | http://pastebin.com/m2c7bd694 |
| 04:29.51 | nvrpunk | ok, that is the current working site |
| 04:30.09 | nvrpunk | I am trying to get the login and manage section into one form |
| 04:30.19 | nvrpunk | of the new site you saw that wasn't working |
| 04:30.38 | nvrpunk | the rewriteURL function is obviously useless |
| 04:30.48 | nvrpunk | so if you know the easiest way to do this then lemme know :) |
| 04:31.21 | bwelker | well, without diggin into your code, I can't really tell you how to combine the two forms |
| 04:31.47 | bwelker | and honestly, i don't have a lot of time right now, i'm sorry |
| 04:31.59 | nvrpunk | ah :( |
| 04:39.58 | tonedevf | are any of the coordinators of the Dinner for Geeks here at the moment? |
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| 05:22.28 | nvrpunk | anyone have a few minutes to help me combine two forms into one? |
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| 06:06.05 | Utah_Dave | ~rlart |
| 06:06.05 | jbot | cats /dev/urandom into nvrpunk's ear |
| 06:16.17 | nvrpunk | Utah_Dave: hello |
| 06:16.18 | nvrpunk | :) |
| 06:16.39 | nvrpunk | hugs* |
| 06:22.06 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 06:22.10 | Utah_Dave | how's it going nvrpunk |
| 06:22.22 | Utah_Dave | I didn't think anyone was awake in here! |
| 06:24.55 | nvrpunk | its going ok |
| 06:25.08 | nvrpunk | I am trying to figure out how to combine two forms into one |
| 06:25.30 | nvrpunk | I have a username and password section on a current page and there are two of each |
| 06:25.37 | nvrpunk | one for logging in and surfing the web |
| 06:25.46 | nvrpunk | and one for managing the account |
| 06:26.09 | nvrpunk | but on the new site I made its just one username and password, with a manage and surf button |
| 06:26.12 | nvrpunk | :) |
| 06:28.09 | nvrpunk | if you have like 10 minutes to look at code and point me in the right direction.... heheh I would be greatful |
| 07:07.48 | Utah_Dave | I'll be able to help in an hour or so, but I'm going to be in and out of my office for a while |
| 07:09.02 | nvrpunk | ok np |
| 07:09.46 | Utah_Dave | but one quick idea would be to give each button a different name, and in your receiving script check for which name comes through |
| 07:23.34 | nvrpunk | well the problem is the underlying pages, right now we have a home.html which has 2 forms and one submits its info to a manage.html |
| 07:23.49 | nvrpunk | the other goes to a login/index.php |
| 07:26.52 | nvrpunk | http://pastebin.com/d764608c6 |
| 07:27.12 | nvrpunk | there is my pastebin, the top two php/html parts are the current working verion |
| 07:27.29 | nvrpunk | I want to make it so the other form has custom buttons (which are present) and does both in one |
| 07:27.36 | nvrpunk | problem is I am a noob to php :( |
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| 13:32.01 | mindjuju | ~yow |
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| 13:49.39 | Utah_Dave | Ugh. I've been up all night doing server hardware upgrades. |
| 13:49.51 | Utah_Dave | ~sleep Utah_Dave |
| 13:49.52 | jbot | ACTION sends Utah_Dave to bed without supper |
| 13:50.18 | mindjuju | poor utah_dave |
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| 14:16.58 | mindjuju | utah_dave , you still around? |
| 14:23.16 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 14:23.17 | jbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
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| 14:34.00 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: yeah. I'm here |
| 14:34.09 | Utah_Dave | not always at my desk though |
| 14:34.10 | Utah_Dave | What's up? |
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| 14:37.59 | Utah_Dave | ~ping mindjuju |
| 14:38.00 | jbot | pong mindjuju |
| 14:39.03 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: He's trying to keep you from sleeping |
| 14:40.33 | mindjuju | he ain't sleeping he's still patching |
| 14:41.50 | mindjuju | for Utah_Dave and Jsmith don't know if ya'll have heard this, but i nearly wept |
| 14:41.56 | mindjuju | ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI! |
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| 14:44.55 | mindjuju | sup _psychic_ |
| 14:45.06 | _psychic_ | morning mindjuju |
| 14:45.30 | mindjuju | nothing just stunned half the wake audience with this perfectly awesome pun i just learned yesterday |
| 14:47.56 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 14:50.19 | mindjuju | sorry, got called away for a moment, here is the pun |
| 14:50.19 | mindjuju | ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI! |
| 14:50.24 | cro | GAH |
| 14:51.29 | _psychic_ | that's the goodness |
| 14:54.47 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 14:56.37 | cro | Good morning all |
| 14:58.35 | mindjuju | morning cro |
| 14:59.54 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: was your pun what you were summoning me for? |
| 15:00.00 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 15:00.09 | mindjuju | sadly yes |
| 15:00.19 | mindjuju | thought you could use it, being up all night and all |
| 15:00.57 | Utah_Dave | thanks, bro! |
| 15:01.10 | mindjuju | just lookin' out for ya |
| 15:01.15 | mindjuju | do you get to call it a day soon? |
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| 15:03.05 | Utah_Dave | i don't know yet. There's all kinds of stupid issues popping up |
| 15:03.21 | Utah_Dave | This is what we get for outsourcing some critical apps |
| 15:03.58 | Utah_Dave | I'm going to have to start rewriting them myself in my spare time. (what's spare time?) |
| 15:04.46 | mindjuju | yuck |
| 15:06.02 | SunSparc | For all the Michael Phelps fans -> http://rammygram.com/index.php/2008/08/26/michael-phelps-in-the-beginning/ |
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| 15:06.58 | mindjuju | that's funny |
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| 15:24.02 | beandog | does php 5 reference new class instances by default |
| 15:25.18 | mgeary | yes |
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| 15:27.22 | beandog | mgeary, k, thats what I thought |
| 15:27.23 | beandog | thx |
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| 15:32.56 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 15:33.11 | nvrpunk | scary |
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| 15:35.21 | nvrpunk | anyone have time to help me write a function for a form submission? |
| 15:35.25 | nvrpunk | im new to php and lost |
| 15:35.26 | nvrpunk | :/ |
| 15:35.36 | mgeary | nvrpunk: what's up? |
| 15:36.07 | nvrpunk | I have a current page that has two login sections, one is for user management and one is for surfing the web |
| 15:36.18 | nvrpunk | I am trying to combine them for a new site design |
| 15:36.26 | nvrpunk | where when you click manage |
| 15:36.30 | nvrpunk | it goes to manage |
| 15:36.34 | mgeary | so you want to take 2 <form>s into 1? |
| 15:36.37 | nvrpunk | and click surf, it surfs |
| 15:36.39 | nvrpunk | yeah |
| 15:36.51 | nvrpunk | I don't even know where to start |
| 15:36.59 | nvrpunk | but I got asked to do this :( |
| 15:37.00 | mgeary | probably the simplest way to do this would be to have an onClick action on each of your buttons |
| 15:37.07 | nvrpunk | I do |
| 15:37.13 | nvrpunk | like sec |
| 15:37.14 | mgeary | and in those actions, assign the "action" of your form to a different location |
| 15:37.37 | wps | clarification: |
| 15:37.49 | mgeary | <input type='button' value='admin' onclick='self.form.action="process_admin.php"'> |
| 15:37.55 | wps | do you still want it to appear as two forms to the user? |
| 15:38.15 | nvrpunk | no |
| 15:38.18 | nvrpunk | I just want it as one |
| 15:38.20 | nvrpunk | http://pastebin.com/m538a1cb8 |
| 15:38.23 | nvrpunk | that's what I have |
| 15:38.44 | nvrpunk | the current form actions are both URLs |
| 15:38.54 | wps | so what will determine where they log into? will you have a radio button that they toggle? |
| 15:39.01 | nvrpunk | each url handles the username and password |
| 15:39.09 | mgeary | wps: no, he's got 2 buttons |
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| 15:39.14 | nvrpunk | wps each button |
| 15:39.27 | mgeary | nvrpunk: so what's the actual problem? |
| 15:39.59 | mgeary | do you have the source for https://jackal-web.jackalwireless.net/hotspot/index.php ? |
| 15:40.21 | mgeary | do you have code already in that script to handle the different actions? |
| 15:41.06 | nvrpunk | mgeary: nope |
| 15:41.19 | mindjuju | well, just a quick question |
| 15:41.22 | mgeary | ok, well like i say, the *simplest* way might be to simply have 2 serverside pages: |
| 15:41.32 | mgeary | process_admin.php and surf.php |
| 15:41.41 | mindjuju | since submits can have values, why not have PHP switch on the processing page and just go from there |
| 15:41.42 | nvrpunk | mgeary: we have that already |
| 15:41.44 | mgeary | and just have the form submit to the proper page depending on which button was clicked |
| 15:41.50 | mgeary | ok, so you're all set |
| 15:41.52 | mindjuju | if manage then run manage code, else, run browse code |
| 15:41.58 | mgeary | just have your buttons set the action |
| 15:42.09 | nvrpunk | mgeary: back to me knowing nothing, how? |
| 15:42.15 | mgeary | nvrpunk: i showed you above |
| 15:42.17 | mgeary | one sec |
| 15:42.22 | mgeary | <input type='button' value='admin' onclick='self.form.action="process_admin.php"'> |
| 15:42.40 | mgeary | or better: |
| 15:42.53 | mgeary | <input type='button' value='admin' onclick='self.form.action="process_admin.php";self.form.submit()'> |
| 15:43.05 | mgeary | and for the "surf" button: |
| 15:43.14 | mgeary | <input type='button' value='surf' onclick='self.form.action="go_surfing.php";self.form.submit()'> |
| 15:43.19 | mgeary | make sense? |
| 15:44.12 | nvrpunk | yes but will that work with my current buttons? |
| 15:44.17 | nvrpunk | oh.. |
| 15:44.20 | nvrpunk | like this |
| 15:44.32 | nvrpunk | http://www.jackalwireless.net/hotspot/newsite |
| 15:44.34 | mgeary | instead of changing the value of a form element, change the action of the form |
| 15:44.50 | nvrpunk | I am using css background images as buttons |
| 15:44.58 | nvrpunk | for roll over |
| 15:45.01 | mgeary | that's okay |
| 15:45.27 | mgeary | so |
| 15:45.32 | mgeary | instead of this: <a href="#" onClick="document.loginForm.mode.value = \'login\'; document.loginForm.submit();"> |
| 15:45.35 | mgeary | have this: |
| 15:45.57 | mgeary | <a href="#" onClick="document.loginForm.action = 'login.php'; document.loginForm.submit();"> |
| 15:46.11 | mgeary | understand? |
| 15:46.25 | nvrpunk | yes |
| 15:46.33 | nvrpunk | i got I think |
| 15:46.37 | nvrpunk | lemme try and see :) |
| 15:46.43 | mgeary | certainly not the only way to solve the issue, but if you've already got 2 serverside pages, it's the simplest |
| 15:47.29 | nvrpunk | what do I put for the form action above? |
| 15:47.38 | nvrpunk | right now I had a URL for it |
| 15:48.05 | mgeary | what's the url? |
| 15:48.25 | nvrpunk | https://jackal-web.jackalwireless.net/hotspot/index.php?page=manage |
| 15:48.30 | nvrpunk | that was the action url above |
| 15:48.31 | mgeary | ok |
| 15:48.40 | mgeary | so just do that instead of login.php above |
| 15:48.43 | nvrpunk | i put that instead of the login.php in your example |
| 15:48.44 | nvrpunk | yes... |
| 15:48.51 | nvrpunk | but the above form the button goes to |
| 15:48.59 | nvrpunk | has action="https://jackal-web.jackalwireless.net/hotspot/index.php?page=manage" |
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| 15:49.12 | nvrpunk | delete the action out of the form entirely? |
| 15:49.18 | nvrpunk | and leave it on the button only |
| 15:49.28 | mgeary | doesn't matter. yeah, maybe set the default action to "#" |
| 15:49.33 | mgeary | the only problem is-- |
| 15:49.42 | mgeary | if the user hits ENTER instead of clicking on a button |
| 15:49.55 | mgeary | having the action as # will make it not do anything in that case |
| 15:50.03 | nvrpunk | oh |
| 15:50.10 | wps | that's why I would use a radio to select where the user is logging into and then use a real submit button (opposed to javascript) |
| 15:50.26 | nvrpunk | well I have to take account for user stupidity... |
| 15:50.38 | mgeary | psh. Users are brilliant |
| 15:50.42 | nvrpunk | maybe a message with "Click the button dude" |
| 15:50.43 | wps | or just have admins log in somewhere else? |
| 15:50.50 | nvrpunk | wps: it's not for admins |
| 15:50.55 | nvrpunk | wps: ISP in iraq |
| 15:50.57 | wps | why do you want public users and site admins logging in through the same form on the home page? |
| 15:51.00 | nvrpunk | users manage their time |
| 15:51.20 | nvrpunk | so they either surf or they manage their account |
| 15:51.22 | nvrpunk | make sense? |
| 15:51.46 | wps | I still think it is confusing to the user to have them logging in through the same form |
| 15:51.46 | mgeary | nvrpunk: another way you could perhaps approach this is to have a dropdown menu instead of 2 buttons. The menu could be set to "surf" by default, but users could change it to "admin" before clicking submit if they wanted to take that action |
| 15:52.13 | wps | there should be one form/page for connecting to the internet and another for managing their account |
| 15:52.40 | nvrpunk | wps: that's how it is currently ... |
| 15:52.48 | nvrpunk | http://www.jackalwireless.net |
| 15:52.51 | nvrpunk | and the new site |
| 15:52.54 | wps | I'd recommend leaving it |
| 15:53.01 | nvrpunk | http://www.jackalwireless.net/hotspot/newsite |
| 15:53.03 | wps | better for usability |
| 15:53.10 | nvrpunk | true but looks like butt :) |
| 15:54.07 | mgeary | nvrpunk: where are you from? Just curious. I'm guessing you're not in/from Utah (not that it matters) |
| 15:54.16 | nvrpunk | I am in GA |
| 15:54.29 | nvrpunk | but I lived in Utah before :) |
| 15:54.51 | nvrpunk | I was in Iraq with the Army and wound up working with this ISP while I was over there |
| 15:54.59 | mgeary | interesting |
| 15:55.01 | nvrpunk | now I am back in the states and still helping |
| 15:55.22 | nvrpunk | yeah, it really is interesting |
| 15:55.24 | beandog | nvrpunk, where at in ga |
| 15:55.38 | nvrpunk | I setup our VoIP/Asterisk system |
| 15:55.44 | nvrpunk | beandog: Savannah |
| 15:55.53 | beandog | ah right on |
| 15:56.07 | nvrpunk | my expertise is with linux/asterisk/server management and satcom |
| 15:56.24 | nvrpunk | Colorado is the best state ever |
| 15:56.26 | nvrpunk | imo |
| 15:59.43 | nvrpunk | same weight and size? |
| 16:00.04 | mgeary | same battery |
| 16:00.11 | mgeary | just a replacement from Apple |
| 16:00.22 | mgeary | apparently it's something of a known issue |
| 16:00.23 | nvrpunk | mgeary: thank you! it now works |
| 16:00.47 | mindjuju | ~mgeary++ |
| 16:00.57 | nvrpunk | ok, now i know you both said if you just hit enter it won't work but... |
| 16:01.07 | nvrpunk | if I put the default action as the "surf" |
| 16:01.11 | mgeary | right |
| 16:01.13 | nvrpunk | it should just surf |
| 16:01.14 | nvrpunk | :) |
| 16:01.16 | nvrpunk | which works |
| 16:01.23 | nvrpunk | as far as I am concerned |
| 16:01.40 | mgeary | groovy |
| 16:01.59 | wps | nvrpunk, I don't recall if you answered this question last night |
| 16:02.10 | nvrpunk | which question? |
| 16:02.21 | wps | who uses this ISP? people that live in IRAQ or military personnel? |
| 16:02.36 | nvrpunk | Military and Contractors |
| 16:02.42 | wps | cool |
| 16:02.49 | nvrpunk | if there happens to be an Iraqi who is on the camp.... |
| 16:02.53 | nvrpunk | and they can afford it |
| 16:02.57 | nvrpunk | its 75 a month |
| 16:03.04 | nvrpunk | then we will take their money ;) |
| 16:03.32 | nvrpunk | HAH |
| 16:03.38 | nvrpunk | we don't work with KBR |
| 16:03.42 | nvrpunk | but they could afford it |
| 16:09.15 | mindjuju | well, if kbr came over and said, mgeary, love the way you do code, want you to do a project |
| 16:09.25 | mindjuju | would you do it? |
| 16:09.51 | wps | KBR? |
| 16:10.06 | nvrpunk | Kellog Brown and Root |
| 16:10.11 | mindjuju | a onetime subsidiary of halliburton |
| 16:10.17 | mgeary | not sure. on the one hand, you're correct that i disapprove of KBR and a lot of what's going on in Iraq. However, on the other hand, that could feed my family for a long time, and that's a very slippery slope |
| 16:10.22 | nvrpunk | contracting company that abuses your Tax money |
| 16:10.32 | mgeary | kind of like that hubbub recently about that mormon who did a beer commercial |
| 16:10.55 | mindjuju | hmm... haven't heard about beer commercial |
| 16:10.59 | mgeary | one sec.. |
| 16:11.13 | mindjuju | but i know several grocery stores that sell it |
| 16:11.57 | mgeary | http://www.mormontimes.com/ME_blogs.php?id=1346 |
| 16:12.18 | mgeary | if you refuse to work for client X because you disapprove of client X. How about working for someone who works for client X. How about working for someone who works for someone who works for client X? |
| 16:12.37 | mgeary | i fear most of us would be out of a job if we only accepted purely clean money |
| 16:12.44 | mgeary | or what we felt was clean |
| 16:12.59 | beandog | agreed |
| 16:13.06 | beandog | I just cut to the chase and work for the porn industry |
| 16:13.28 | beandog | kitty porn! |
| 16:13.50 | wps | wearing hats made from orange peels, right? |
| 16:13.55 | beandog | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/26/funny-pictures-wurth-twelvity-five-points/ |
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| 16:15.06 | beandog | mgeary, be in the world but not of the world, thats the best principle, I think |
| 16:15.33 | thebigdog | morning all |
| 16:15.38 | mgeary | did you read OSC's blog entry, beandog ? |
| 16:15.53 | beandog | mgeary, osc? |
| 16:16.00 | mgeary | http://www.mormontimes.com/ME_blogs.php?id=1346 |
| 16:16.06 | beandog | oh, yah, I skimmed it |
| 16:16.22 | beandog | it seemed a bit too ... ah, whats the word |
| 16:16.27 | beandog | specific. |
| 16:16.29 | beandog | narrow |
| 16:17.45 | mgeary | anyway, if KBR came and gave me a $500k/year gig doing programming, yep, i guess i'd probably take it. |
| 16:18.07 | nvrpunk | mgeary: oddly, when you hit just enter nothing happens |
| 16:18.13 | nvrpunk | you have to click the button |
| 16:18.17 | nvrpunk | which is fine by me |
| 16:18.18 | nvrpunk | :) |
| 16:18.21 | mindjuju | mgeary, blog was good |
| 16:18.44 | nvrpunk | I really appreciate the help from you guys! You guys rock |
| 16:18.51 | nvrpunk | now I can start reading a php book :p |
| 16:18.59 | tierra | "Mormons are resigning from ... or work for a company that entices people to spend beyond their means." |
| 16:19.06 | tierra | that last bit is a little much |
| 16:19.16 | dataw0lf | herlo / macnewbold: what's the time on the speaker's dinner / location, again? |
| 16:19.23 | tierra | you can't work for any company based on that last tidbit |
| 16:19.36 | tierra | it's kind of the point of capitalism |
| 16:19.48 | mindjuju | tierra - the article though is being sarcastic |
| 16:19.53 | tierra | heh |
| 16:19.56 | mindjuju | saying that good people work in all those positions |
| 16:19.59 | mgeary | i don't think he's trying to be realistic |
| 16:20.01 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:20.31 | tierra | besides, people make their own decisions |
| 16:23.01 | tierra | as long as it's not beyond your means :) |
| 16:25.11 | herlo | dataw0lf: 7pmish at salt lake pizza and pasta |
| 16:25.23 | herlo | dataw0lf: 1100 E 2100 S |
| 16:25.24 | herlo | SLC |
| 16:25.29 | dataw0lf | sweet |
| 16:25.38 | herlo | nw |
| 16:25.41 | herlo | see you there |
| 16:25.47 | dataw0lf | tierra: that's pretty close to yer house right? |
| 16:25.48 | tierra | sweet, that's really close to home |
| 16:25.52 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 16:25.58 | tierra | like, walking distance |
| 16:26.05 | dataw0lf | perfect |
| 16:26.12 | tierra | I can just drop you off |
| 16:26.14 | mgeary | what's that? tierra's inviting us to his house for dinner? |
| 16:26.19 | herlo | mgeary: sure |
| 16:26.23 | tierra | hehe |
| 16:26.27 | dataw0lf | how about tierra inviting people to play CoD 4...... |
| 16:26.31 | tierra | haha |
| 16:26.48 | tierra | I don't think that'd be a problem |
| 16:27.00 | dataw0lf | I'll take people's money and split it down the middle with you, bryan |
| 16:27.09 | tierra | :) |
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| 16:34.29 | tierra | the more I work with really well engineered C++ libraries, the more I like it, even sometimes moreso than python |
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| 16:49.37 | wps | zajacr, you just shaking the Scrabble bag? |
| 16:50.07 | zajacr | ?? |
| 16:50.18 | wps | "gslkdfja" :) |
| 16:52.06 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: did you get your info yet? if not, pm |
| 16:53.53 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: yea, herlo let me know. Thanks though. |
| 16:54.04 | macnewbold | good deal |
| 16:54.06 | macnewbold | see ya |
| 16:54.12 | herlo | :) |
| 16:55.33 | dataw0lf | yup :) |
| 16:55.44 | thebigdog | do i get some info too |
| 16:55.47 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:56.14 | thebigdog | im going to all the microsoft ones |
| 16:57.44 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, I think you should give an impromptu presentation |
| 16:58.32 | thebigdog | ~flip itimber |
| 16:58.32 | jbot | ACTION gives itimber the .|.. ..|. |
| 16:58.52 | itimber | ~flip back to thebigdog |
| 16:58.53 | jbot | ACTION gives back to thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 16:59.16 | mgeary | you know, herlo... |
| 16:59.40 | itimber | thebigdog is the only one that would go to an OSS conf to attend M$ lectures |
| 17:00.01 | nvrpunk | mgeary: http://www.jackalwireless.net/hotspot/newsite |
| 17:00.06 | nvrpunk | username and password test |
| 17:00.13 | nvrpunk | to see the manage page :D |
| 17:00.16 | nvrpunk | it works now |
| 17:00.17 | itimber | <quote> .NET is the wave of the future </quote> |
| 17:00.22 | mgeary | herlo, hrm, okay, nevermind. A couple of days ago i was on the blog.utos.org site and i had the darnest time trying to get to the actual schedule. However, there are now more links. thanks |
| 17:00.30 | nvrpunk | still need to update more of the files to match |
| 17:00.56 | mgeary | nvrpunk: hrm. it doesn't seem to work on Safari |
| 17:01.40 | itimber | thebigdog: I remember going to a few lectures along that line at Northrop :) |
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| 17:03.43 | nvrpunk | mgeary: really? can you screenshot it so I can see |
| 17:03.54 | mgeary | the *screen* is fine |
| 17:03.58 | mgeary | but the code doesn't submit |
| 17:04.02 | nvrpunk | mgeary: oh |
| 17:04.15 | nvrpunk | hm, welll that stinks |
| 17:04.18 | mgeary | it might be more reliable if you create 2 functions |
| 17:04.25 | mgeary | nvrpunk: one sec-- |
| 17:06.16 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/74236/ |
| 17:07.03 | nvrpunk | mgeary: btw, you won't be able to log in, just manage |
| 17:07.15 | nvrpunk | mgeary: did the manage button not work? |
| 17:08.50 | mgeary | the buttons *worked*, but the form action didn't appear to change. it went to "#" |
| 17:08.58 | mgeary | try doing it with functions |
| 17:09.05 | mgeary | it'll give you more flexibility going forward anyway |
| 17:09.47 | mgeary | i can confirm that Firefox does it properly |
| 17:09.58 | mgeary | however, i just did this trick yesterday on a form, so i know it CAN work on Safari |
| 17:10.04 | mgeary | but i did do it in a function |
| 17:11.15 | nvrpunk | mgeary: should the functions be within <script type="text/javascript"> |
| 17:11.23 | nvrpunk | or <?php |
| 17:11.53 | mgeary | the former |
| 17:12.31 | thebigdog | i think i need to try mfc programming on linux that might be pretty good |
| 17:27.14 | mgeary | anyone here know if you can use onKeyUp/Down in javascript to intercept <tab> and <enter> keystrokes? |
| 17:30.32 | mgeary | looks like you cannot reliably do it in an <input type='text'>, but you CAN in an <textarea> |
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| 18:19.46 | mindjuju | cool! and here i thought only the RNC locked up protesters..., i guess the DNC is taking plays from the RNC - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQEc3ejHIaM&feature=related |
| 18:22.48 | nvrpunk | mgeary: how would i make it so it pops up with a "bad password" message if they enter in the wrong password? |
| 18:24.49 | mindjuju | alert("bad password!!!"); |
| 18:25.39 | nvrpunk | <a href="javascript:submitManage();"> |
| 18:25.55 | nvrpunk | so add alert bad password? |
| 18:25.56 | fungus | <bold><font color="#FF0000"><blink>Bad Password!</blink></font></bold> |
| 18:26.03 | nvrpunk | haha |
| 18:26.33 | fungus | Or put it into an animated GIF to bounce around |
| 18:26.37 | nvrpunk | do I add it to the form? |
| 18:26.43 | nvrpunk | or the submission button |
| 18:26.56 | mindjuju | to submitManage() |
| 18:27.01 | mindjuju | where be your code? |
| 18:27.29 | nvrpunk | http://dpaste.com/74236/ |
| 18:28.01 | mindjuju | uh, where is the auth taking place? |
| 18:28.17 | nvrpunk | manage.html for the manage button |
| 18:28.24 | nvrpunk | and login.html for the surf |
| 18:28.34 | nvrpunk | so on the actual pages the links go to |
| 18:28.50 | mindjuju | k, but how do you know what is a good password and what is bad? |
| 18:29.06 | nvrpunk | sql password matches |
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| 18:30.11 | nvrpunk | http://dpaste.com/74266/ |
| 18:31.41 | mindjuju | k, so that's the auth, and if they fail it submits that HTML form that redirects them back to the first page |
| 18:31.43 | mindjuju | right? |
| 18:31.49 | nvrpunk | yes |
| 18:33.14 | mindjuju | well, just as a cautionary piece of advice, there are several ways to make this code tons better so that you don't have this convoluted flow |
| 18:33.15 | itimber | if ( password != "wife's Name" ) { alert("Bad Password !!"); } |
| 18:33.40 | mindjuju | but that said, if I HAD to use this code and didn't have a choice about it, i'd prolly append it here |
| 18:33.59 | mindjuju | <form name="redirect" action="index.php?strErr=1" method="post"> |
| 18:34.18 | mindjuju | then back on your first page do an isset to see if there is an error code, and if so display an error message |
| 18:35.35 | nvrpunk | where would I put the isset? |
| 18:35.42 | nvrpunk | below the button link? |
| 18:38.20 | mindjuju | you would put it where you want the error code to appear |
| 18:39.09 | mindjuju | but again, would like to go on record saying having a page exist, merely to run some JS to push them to a failure page is bad on several fronts |
| 18:50.14 | itimber | nvrpunk: if someone with years of experience in what your doing, gives you several warnings about how you're doing it; it would be wise to ask him why, then shut up and listen to his response. |
| 19:01.10 | mgeary | nvrpunk: well, one elegant way would be to have those functions you implemented use ajax to pass the data to the respective authentication pages and return an alert upon failure |
| 19:01.36 | mgeary | however, if you're not super comfortable with javascript, that may be tricky |
| 19:30.59 | nvrpunk | mgeary: I used an isset it works for now |
| 19:31.10 | nvrpunk | I will have to read more before attempting the ajax solution |
| 19:31.27 | nvrpunk | can I change the height of a text input box? |
| 19:31.46 | nvrpunk | oddly firefox in linux is the only browser with an issue with the logon page |
| 19:35.24 | unum | just process everything in the tmp directory he said |
| 19:35.38 | unum | as long as two users don't run the update command at the same time that's fine..... |
| 19:35.58 | unum | I guess it's not like he didn't tell me to not create different directories |
| 19:36.36 | unum | or atleast use different file names |
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| 19:40.50 | wps | what's the difference between <a href="http://google.com"></a> |
| 19:40.57 | wps | and <a></a> |
| 19:41.21 | wps | the second is on Riddlin |
| 19:43.11 | wps | ~rimshot |
| 19:43.11 | jbot | ba-dum CHH |
| 19:43.51 | DexterTheDragon | ritalin? |
| 19:44.01 | wps | perhapsâ¦Â I have no idea how to spell it |
| 19:44.18 | unum | wps: didn't you ever read the bottle? |
| 19:44.22 | DexterTheDragon | Riddlin is a slang term |
| 19:44.23 | unum | or did it take too much time |
| 19:44.24 | beandog | that takes too long |
| 19:44.27 | wps | nopeâ¦Â just put them in the blender with my smoothie |
| 19:44.44 | unum | if I had taken them that way I might not have minded so much |
| 19:45.13 | unum | I'm now taking an anti inflammatory |
| 19:47.00 | mindjuju | let me guess, it's meds to help you not rile other people up, like flame wars? |
| 19:52.03 | unum | ya, I was getting a lot of trouble for that |
| 19:52.07 | unum | you ask rep dougal |
| 19:52.22 | unum | apparantly "bill gates has ripped off millions of people" |
| 19:52.30 | unum | is an inflammtory comment |
| 19:52.48 | unum | I thought it was statement of fact, back by the us federal court of appeals |
| 20:01.46 | mindjuju | a pretty cool way to do some shopping |
| 20:01.47 | mindjuju | http://www.break.com/index/awesome-ways-to-grocery-shop.html |
| 20:04.22 | wps | that's cool, mindjuju |
| 20:04.49 | DexterTheDragon | hmmm I didn't know there was video cameras where I shopped |
| 20:05.06 | mindjuju | yeah, so no more stealing grampers |
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| 20:07.34 | beandog | grampers? |
| 20:08.06 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grampers |
| 20:08.48 | beandog | lol |
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| 21:18.40 | macnewbold | wait, I'm confused. was mindjuju saying that he used to steal grampers, or that DexterTheDragon did? |
| 21:19.28 | mindjuju | touche |
| 21:20.06 | macnewbold | make sure not to mentally picture either of them in grampers... not a pretty sight |
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| 22:36.41 | beandog | So |
| 22:36.50 | _psychic_ | La |
| 22:36.58 | beandog | Whats the advange (if any) if using UUIDs over an autoincrementing pkey integer |
| 22:37.10 | beandog | _psychic_, are you just sitting at work waiting for something to happen in here? :) |
| 22:37.10 | _psychic_ | global uniqueness across databases |
| 22:37.18 | _psychic_ | no you're just lucky :) |
| 22:37.31 | _psychic_ | (for sharding and the like) |
| 22:37.38 | beandog | _psychic_, what would some applications of that be, though |
| 22:37.56 | _psychic_ | some distributed applications... you don't even know what machine or engine it's going to be stored it |
| 22:37.59 | _psychic_ | *stored in |
| 22:38.13 | _psychic_ | no single DB engine can auto-increment for you |
| 22:38.35 | _psychic_ | so a UUID gives you a unique identifier you need |
| 22:38.50 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:38.51 | beandog | okay |
| 22:41.06 | beandog | well, its a new idea, so I'm going to summarily reject it with bias. |
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| 22:43.02 | beandog | select uuid() union select uuid(); |
| 22:43.05 | beandog | cool. |
| 22:56.51 | thebigdog | beandog, _psychic_ is correct...you see it in huge dbs like oracle |
| 22:57.10 | thebigdog | where you have dbs with synonyms and other features spanning systems and clusters |
| 22:57.13 | _psychic_ | or mysql.... ;) |
| 22:57.26 | beandog | yah we have a mysql app here using it |
| 22:57.52 | thebigdog | sometimes you might see them as guids too |
| 22:57.57 | _psychic_ | tru |
| 22:59.32 | thebigdog | beandog, if you like rfcs this is a good one - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4122.txt |
| 23:01.02 | _psychic_ | I prefer this approach. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2795.txt |
| 23:01.28 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:01.45 | thebigdog | dont we all |
| 23:04.36 | thebigdog | haha |
| 23:06.58 | PoeticIntensity | ~monkey beandog |
| 23:06.59 | jbot | ACTION flings poo at beandog |
| 23:07.09 | PoeticIntensity | I'm outta here. |
| 23:07.13 | PoeticIntensity | see ya'll at the Conference! |
| 23:07.17 | beandog | buh :@ |
| 23:33.11 | itimber | I'm out .....later guys |
| 23:37.44 | thebigdog | fungus you around or macnewbold? |
| 23:38.02 | fungus | I'm here |
| 23:38.20 | thebigdog | fungus freebsd question for ya |
| 23:38.30 | fungus | shoot |
| 23:38.33 | thebigdog | so i tried to update php5 on a freebsd 6.1 system |
| 23:38.44 | thebigdog | and i got an error when i selected the apache module |
| 23:38.59 | thebigdog | saying it was trying to do apache1 but i have apache2 installed |
| 23:40.04 | fungus | That is usually tweakable by config. Either by env variable or make config |
| 23:40.05 | nvrpunk | dependency tree is borked? |
| 23:40.14 | nvrpunk | or that |
| 23:40.21 | thebigdog | actually it is 6.2 sorry |
| 23:40.23 | fungus | crack open the Makefile and take a peek |
| 23:41.16 | thebigdog | i dont see anything for apache1 |
| 23:41.56 | nvrpunk | can't you specify your apache version in ./configure? |
| 23:41.59 | nvrpunk | o0 |
| 23:43.01 | thebigdog | checking for Apache 1.x module support via DSO through APXS... configure: error: You have enabled Apache 1.3 support while your server is Apache 2. Please use the appropiate switch --with-apxs2 |
| 23:43.05 | thebigdog | that is the error message |
| 23:43.18 | thebigdog | i tried to google and see but did nto get anything good |
| 23:43.49 | nvrpunk | that's when you run make, correct? |
| 23:44.17 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 23:44.17 | fungus | was apache installed via ports too ? |
| 23:44.19 | nvrpunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.25 | thebigdog | fungus, that i am not sure of |
| 23:44.30 | nvrpunk | there should be an option for apache2 |
| 23:44.33 | nvrpunk | i would think |
| 23:44.38 | nvrpunk | or it should detect it? |
| 23:45.10 | beandog | --with-apxs2 |
| 23:45.12 | beandog | thats it |
| 23:45.17 | beandog | apxs = apache1 |
| 23:45.44 | nvrpunk | ./configure --with-apxs2 :p |
| 23:46.18 | nvrpunk | doesn't ports do that stuff for you? |
| 23:46.24 | thebigdog | fungus, so i see in the makefile that it will check ports for apache version |
| 23:46.34 | beandog | yay gentoo \o/ |
| 23:46.38 | thebigdog | so if it is not there then should i reinstall via ports? |
| 23:46.50 | fungus | I think so, yes. |
| 23:47.00 | nvrpunk | thebigdog: I agree with fungus |
| 23:47.12 | nvrpunk | always use your package manager if available |
| 23:47.22 | fungus | ports tries to detect the version that is installed, but can fail miserably if installed separately |
| 23:50.01 | thebigdog | ill check it out and see what is up ty |
| 23:50.20 | thebigdog | how can you tell if it is installed via ports or packages? |
| 23:51.06 | nvrpunk | does ports have a way of searching for available packages via a repository? |
| 23:51.15 | fungus | You may also try "USE_APACHE=2.0 make" |
| 23:51.23 | nvrpunk | if so I would imagine a seach for apache to see |
| 23:51.58 | fungus | or perhaps WITH_APACHE2=yes |
| 23:53.06 | thebigdog | the big issue is that i dont want to break php and apache as this is a live server |
| 23:53.24 | fungus | yeah, that's a problem. |
| 23:53.26 | thebigdog | i just wanted to install some extra extensions |
| 23:53.31 | thebigdog | and now it is going crazy |
| 23:54.05 | thebigdog | i did pkg_info and did not see apache in there |
| 23:54.16 | thebigdog | could i assume that apache was setup with ports |
| 23:54.31 | fungus | That usually means it was not setup from ports |
| 23:54.40 | fungus | PHP might not have been either |
| 23:55.03 | fungus | in which case you have to go the manual route. |
| 23:55.21 | fungus | Unless you like upgrading apache and php on a production server? :) |
| 23:56.03 | thebigdog | not really |
| 23:58.13 | fungus | is php in your pkg_info? |
| 23:59.38 | thebigdog | nope |