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14:59.35mgearymornin' all
15:00.38mindjujumorning mgeary
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15:16.34mgearywoot. new battery is on its way
15:16.47SunSparcCongratds
15:17.12crowas it just dead, or was it one of the bulging, threatening to explode ones?
15:17.29mgearyit would only hold a charge for about 20 minutes
15:17.38crohow old was it?
15:17.44mgearynot quite 2 years
15:18.21crothat's excellent that they would replace a 2 year old battery.  Most of my Dells' batteries wouldn't last 2 years
15:18.39mgearyagreed. though i do have AppleCare
15:19.02SunSparcAppleCare rocks
15:19.07mgearyi always get AppleCare for laptops. One problem with the display makes it worth it
15:19.32mgearyi don't get AppleCare for desktop machines.
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15:47.17SunSparc~monday
15:47.18jbot[monday] when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix
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16:20.16Utah_DaveArgh. I just got off the phone with a salesman who has only a vague idea what the product he sells does.
16:20.20Utah_DaveI  hate that
16:20.39wpsit's like calling tech support and knowing more than the support agent
16:20.48wpsand you end up teaching them about their product
16:21.28Utah_Daveexactly
16:22.20mgearywell, that kind of *always* happens, doesn't it?
16:22.32mgearyi figure it's because people who actually *know* these things can get better jobs
16:22.50mgearywe don't go to support lines for *information*, we go there for *access*
16:23.23Utah_Davemgeary: I just find it frustrating because he keeps sending me to an engineer. Then he doesn't understand what the engineer said, and we get the wrong software licenses
16:23.45mgearyheh. i'm not arguing that it's not frustrating. I hear ya.
16:26.00wpsat least he didn't speak with an Indian accent, right, Utah_Dave?
16:26.47Utah_Davewps: nope! Pure mid-western corn country
16:26.55Utah_Davethat's nice
16:27.05itimbereveryone awake then?
16:27.12itimberwant to make an introduction
16:27.19itimbercro is a buddy of mine
16:27.27itimberfrom AZ
16:27.40itimberbig player in sysadmin
16:27.48itimberbut does Ruby and PHP too
16:27.51mgeary~admire cro
16:27.51jbotACTION secretly and androgynously wishes it were just like cro
16:28.16itimberwell, I say from AZ.... but he's recently moved to UT
16:28.24itimberso he's a Utahn now
16:29.34crothanks Tim
16:30.12Utah_Dave~welcome cro
16:30.12jbot[all in unison] Hi, cro!
16:30.28mgeary~greet cro
16:30.29jbotACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on cro
16:30.41Utah_Daveaww, come one, mgeary. Be nice!
16:34.21cromegeary: that's OK, first day at my last job, one of my co-workers told me I was responsible for bagels for the entire site on Friday.  He didn't tell me that the company actually brought in bagels every Friday.
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16:36.44Utah_Davewps: Once I was in Chicago and had to come home a day early because a family member was sick. So I called up Delta to change my flight and the sweet Indian lady was 100% sure there weren't any open flights that day.
16:37.27Utah_DaveSo I called the same number back 5 minutes later and got a nice Indian guy who said there were a couple of flights with open seats, but it would cost my somewhere around $300 to switch my flight
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16:37.59Utah_DaveSo I called back again and got a guy with a US accent and he got me on a flight 2 hours later at no charge.
16:38.14wpssheesh
16:38.44DexterTheDragonUtah_Dave: terrorist
16:38.59Utah_Davecrap! DexterTheDragon, don't you DARE get me on that list!
16:39.25DexterTheDragonlol
16:45.16mindjujudexterthedragon, did you see this? - http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/150212/hackers_crack_into_red_hat.html
16:48.57DexterTheDragonmindjuju: nice
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17:18.24wpscinnamon is one of the best flavors
17:23.56mgearytotally
17:25.28mgearyhahahahahah
17:25.33mgearyman, you gotta love Canadians
17:25.41mgearyjust got a wrong number call from one
17:25.45mgearythey're so dang pleasant
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17:29.54SunSparcYeah, but what if you were calling them?
17:30.01SunSparcMight not have been as pleasant.
17:32.38herloDexterTheDragon: Fedora / Red<space>Hat has been dealing with this all last week
17:32.43herlomindjuju: ^^
17:34.20SunSparcOk, I am done with hacking Red Hat, who should I hack next...
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17:37.09macnewbold~yow
17:37.20macnewboldnice, jbot
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19:14.42mindjujudag, where be thebigdog when you need him
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19:44.48macnewbold~seen thebigdog
19:44.52jbotthebigdog <n=thebigdo@zeus.thebigdog.biz> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 17h 21m 14s ago, saying: 'i just made it up'.
19:54.23cro~help
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20:14.46itimberwhatcha need cro?
20:14.57crojust looking at jbot help
20:15.03itimberah
20:15.12itimberwe've added a few commands
20:15.48itimbersuch as:
20:15.53itimber~timattack
20:16.00itimber~brastoattack
20:16.10itimberhmm
20:16.28itimberperhaps jbot's been reset
20:16.44itimber~kick thebigdog
20:16.45jbotACTION kicks thebigdog
20:16.52jsmith~literal timattack
20:17.09mgeary~boggle itimber
20:17.10jbotACTION stares in flabbergasted astonishment at itimber
20:17.16itimberLOL
20:17.17bradym~timattack itimber
20:17.17jbotACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to go postal on itimber!
20:17.18mgeary~nerdschool cro
20:17.19jbotACTION chains cro to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination.
20:17.28itimberah, right
20:17.34itimberforgot the vars
20:17.52bradym~rlart
20:17.53jbotexecutes killall -KILL josephscott
20:22.51itimberkill -9 josephscott
20:22.55itimber:)
20:28.32PoeticIntensitySSH Question....
20:28.41tierratoo bad STOP and KILL can't be blocked, hah!
20:29.01PoeticIntensityI'm about to create a key-pair and I'm a total n00b at it...
20:29.12PoeticIntensityI've done it a couple of times, but now I've gotta make sure it's secure...
20:29.21tierrassh-keygen -t [dsa/rsa]
20:29.26mgearyyep
20:29.30PoeticIntensityanyone know of any gotchas on creating a ...... ok.
20:29.35PoeticIntensitywhat's the difference between dsa and rsa?
20:29.40mgearyjust don't copy the private key out ;)
20:30.37tierraI usually like to use the -b option too to specify the key length
20:30.39mgearyone other common gotcha is to make sure you copy the public key into the authorized_keys file of the user you're trying to log in as, which isn't always your local username
20:30.53tierrabut defaults are usually sufficient
20:31.03PoeticIntensityI see...
20:31.10mgearye.g. ssh someuser@a.b.c.d means i need to copy my key into someuser's .ssh directory, not into the mgeary .ssh directory
20:31.26PoeticIntensitygotcha.... thanks for the tip, mgeary
20:31.56PoeticIntensityalso... potentially stupid question, but besides the obvious security implication, would there be any reason not to create a pair for the root user?
20:32.23PoeticIntensityThe files I'll be transferring (via cron job) are going to be owned by root...
20:32.37wpsI wouldn't even allow SSH access for root, let alone a key
20:32.39PoeticIntensityso, I'm assuming I'll need to scp into the box as root, using the root's key...
20:32.56PoeticIntensitywps - nor would I, but unless I can come up with another solution, I might have to.
20:33.03mgearywell, a key can be more secure than via password
20:33.13mgearybut yeah, if you can tweak the perms of another user account, it would be best
20:33.13PoeticIntensitythat's what I've heard...
20:33.27PoeticIntensityso.... lemme get this straight...
20:34.09PoeticIntensityif I create a key-pair from computer a, copy the public key to computer b, then then the only person who can use that key to get into computer b, is a specific user from computer a.   Right?
20:34.34cro<PROTECTED>
20:34.39PoeticIntensitytrue...
20:34.41PoeticIntensityoh...
20:34.43PoeticIntensityI mean "user"
20:34.43mgearyalso, you need to know that if the permissions aren't correct on the .ssh directory and/or the authorized_keys file, you'll get errors that are very difficult to diagnose
20:34.45crobut whatever user has the private half of the pubkey
20:35.00PoeticIntensitycro - gotcha... thanks.
20:35.05mgearyi've been bitten by that permission issue several times. it's a pain
20:35.16PoeticIntensitymuch thanks, mgeary
20:35.17croright, the logs are very unhelpful
20:35.27PoeticIntensityright now I'm digesting this how-to...
20:35.34PoeticIntensityseems to corroborate everything said here.
20:35.39PoeticIntensityhttp://defindit.com/readme_files/ssh.html
20:36.36cropoet: Note the difference in the howto between the free and the commercial SSH versions
20:36.43PoeticIntensityyup.
20:36.50PoeticIntensityI've got openSSH on both boxes.
20:37.13crook, cool, I've had trouble making the free and commercial interoperate.  You can do it, it's just a pain to get the key formats right
20:46.46mgearyhey, anyone here consider themselves an expert (or semi-expert) in mod_security in Apache?
20:55.59Utah_Davecricket, cricket
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20:59.40mgearyseriously
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22:13.12thebigdogafternoon all
22:28.07romanovicGood afternoon
22:28.11romanovicoh wait he quit.
22:31.45wpsthere are terminals
22:31.56wpsyou want an IDE for your iPod?
22:32.00itimberbut none that you can ssh w/
22:32.06wpsnot true
22:32.16itimberI'd love to write code while out and about
22:32.26itimberand notes just doesn't cut it
22:32.29romanovicthere are some for any java-enabled phone
22:32.51itimberwhat type of phone romanovic
22:33.06romanovicI've not found one that would be good for writing code
22:33.09itimbers/what type of phone/which phone/
22:33.11wpshttp://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=287269552&mt=8
22:33.12jsmithitimber: My phone has IRC, terminal, PHP, Apache, TFP client....
22:33.27jsmithitimber: Oh, and 3.5G, smaller than an iPhone, and no silly two-year contracts
22:33.42dataw0lf_why don't you marry it!
22:33.44dataw0lf_>_>
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22:34.06romanovicItimber: I meant there is ssh for phones, I don't know about ide's
22:35.05romanovicI'm just slow typing on this
22:35.17itimberwps: didn't see that one when I searched.... but it's getting low ratings
22:35.56itimberI don't need a robust IDE.... but it'd be cool to sync my code when I synced my iPod, then be able to edit on the go
22:35.59itimber*shrug
22:36.32wpshttp://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=287765826&mt=8
22:36.42wpshttp://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=286623227&mt=8
22:36.44wpsthere are three
22:37.18itimberya proved me wrong wps  :)
22:37.23itimberthx for the links
22:37.29wpsyou're welcome
22:39.38itimberwps: do you have an iPod Touch or iPhone? Which do you use?
22:39.47wpsmy wife has a touch
22:39.49wpsi have an iphone
22:40.32wpscan anyone help my with a MySQL query? I need to do this…
22:40.44itimbersure
22:40.59wpsselect from table where value exists in table
22:41.15wpsso, if the two columns are id and parent_id…
22:41.25wpsselect from table where parent_id is "in table"
22:41.42wps(mixing SQL and english there, obviously… since I don't know how to construct it)
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22:42.21wpseach row has a parent_id value… the parents are other rows
22:42.29wpssome relationships are broken
22:42.40wpsI need to find everyone that is assigned to a parent that no longer exists
22:42.50fungusjoin the table to itself, and look for the second table's id being null or not
22:43.29fungusselect t1.id, t1.parent_id, t2.id from t1, t2 where t1.parent_id = t2.id and t2.id is not null
22:43.34fungussomething like that
22:43.45wpsI'll try that
22:43.45wpsthanks
22:44.16itimberfungus is quicker than itimber
22:44.17itimber:)
22:46.39romanovicanyone know a decent mobile irc client? jmIrc isn't cutting it
22:47.12fungusNothing better than that one.
22:47.23fungusunless you have an ssh client, and use irssi
22:47.27wpsit has a j in it's name… it is probably built with java… no wonder it sucks
22:47.48orsonjfungus is also quicker than orsonj
22:48.24itimber~fungus++
22:48.41romanovicit works ok, but the interface needs to be improved and have more features
22:48.50mgeary~karma fungus
22:48.50jbotfungus has karma of 8
22:49.00itimberdang
22:49.05romanovicMaybe this can be a new personal project...
22:49.06itimber~karma itimber
22:49.06jbotitimber has neutral karma
22:49.12itimber:(
22:49.14mgeary~karma thebigdog
22:49.14jbotthebigdog has karma of 7
22:49.17fungus~itimber++
22:49.24mgeary~karma mgeary
22:49.24jbotmgeary has karma of 7
22:49.25itimberTY fungus
22:52.02thebigdogyes i have great karam
22:52.05thebigdogkarma
22:54.49thebigdogim thebigdog
22:55.15mgearythebigdog: if memory serves, neither your karma nor mine have budged in weeks
22:57.44thebigdogcause no ones give me props for the answers i give
22:57.47thebigdog;)
23:05.10synicthebigdog: slony is pretty groovy
23:11.48itimberI'm out.... later guys
23:17.14PoeticIntensityis herlo around?
23:17.21PoeticIntensity~seen herlo
23:17.24jbotherlo is currently on #utos #utah #uphpu #ubuntu-us-ut. Has said a total of 1282 messages. Is idling for 16m 50s, last said: 'k'.
23:17.24herloPoeticIntensity: I'm here
23:17.24PoeticIntensityah...
23:17.24PoeticIntensitycool..
23:17.32PoeticIntensityummm.... how do I get into the conference?
23:17.39PoeticIntensityI bought a ticket, but wasn't given anything in return...
23:17.44herloPoeticIntensity: show up
23:17.55herloyou should have received an email from eventbrite
23:18.09PoeticIntensitydo I print that out?
23:18.41PoeticIntensitysorry... I'm a n00b... I haven't been to many conferences...
23:19.03tierraI was just planning on showing, and you guys knowing that I paid too
23:19.05tierraheh
23:19.20PoeticIntensitycool... I don't feel so lost anymore.. :)
23:19.35PoeticIntensityah...
23:19.40PoeticIntensity*Please PRINT THIS RECEIPT and bring it with you to the event entrance. *If you cannot print this receipt, please bring a PHOTO ID.
23:19.46PoeticIntensitythat's on the receipt I got from eventbrite
23:19.58PoeticIntensityso I guess that's a yes.  I need to print it out.
23:20.23tierraI'd print out the reciept, but am too lazy to hook up the printer since I have a good feeling that I'd need to replace the ink cartridge again to print one page
23:20.27herloPoeticIntensity: pm
23:20.29tierraheh
23:20.35herlotierra: lol
23:20.51PoeticIntensityherlo: pm'ed your pm
23:21.06tierraguess I could print it out here at work
23:21.15PoeticIntensitythat's what I'm gonna do..
23:22.20tierraoh yeah, now I remember why I didn't do that either... we changed around some network printers and now I have to set those back up again
23:22.24tierraugh :(
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23:23.16herlolol
23:23.24macnewbold~zippy
23:44.29mgeary~yow

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