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02:10.09orsonjanyone on at the moment
02:21.36orsonjnevermind
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04:07.41orsonjwps: $host = `hostname`;
04:11.00DexterTheDragonorsonj: do backticks escape to shell in php?
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04:12.12orsonjyep
04:12.29DexterTheDragonhmmm I usually just use system()
04:12.49orsonjexec() would be preferable in this case as system echoes its output by default
04:13.40DexterTheDragonah
04:14.02DexterTheDragonI knew it was one or the other. I very rarely ever do system calls in php
04:14.58orsonjlikewise, I had to look it up
04:23.06orsonjI've spent these last few days trying to figure out what was wrong with this one script. Turns out I was missing a / from http://example.com/ (http:/example.com/)
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15:52.32beandoghttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/22/funny-pictures-u-want-friez-wit-dat/
15:58.21mindjujubeandog - that is disturbingly cute
16:00.49beandog:)
16:00.56beandogI want a hat just like that
16:15.01wpsanyone else get bad "clicker-finger?"
16:16.47DexterTheDragonI've got "techno neck"
16:19.30mindjujui've been having a bad case of itchy trigger finger
16:19.47mindjujuwhere my next to pinky finger accidentally hits the right click button
16:20.06wpsthe knuckle on my pointer-finger on the hand that I mouse with gets very fatigued
16:20.13wps…and into the meat of my hand
16:20.25wpsI wonder if I should use a different mouse
16:20.41macnewboldour guy uses a tablet to avoid that
16:20.45macnewboldwacom makes some nice ones
16:20.46DexterTheDragonjust use vim. then you won't need a mouse
16:20.54macnewbold~s/vim/emacs/
16:21.03wpsI do use vim a lot
16:21.10wpswell, vi
16:21.17wpswhich I think is actually running vim
16:21.19wpsbut I'm not sure
16:21.32DexterTheDragonemacs gives you hand strain cause you have to do 23 key combo "short" cuts
16:21.37macnewboldbah
16:21.47macnewboldvim isn't any better, hitting escape and crap all the time
16:21.54macnewbold~seen TimRiker
16:21.58jbottimriker is currently on #bzflag (49m 26s) #utah (49m 26s) #openmoko (49m 26s) #infobot (49m 26s) #elinux (49m 26s), last said: '~dinfo bzflag sid'.
16:22.01wpsthe only reason that mac likes emacs is because of it's name
16:22.08macnewboldnah
16:22.28DexterTheDragonhe likes the blue screen. reminds him of dos
16:22.28wpsif vi was vimac, he's switch editors
16:23.05wpsemacs turns the terminal blue?
16:23.09wpsthat would drive me crazy
16:23.28DexterTheDragonyeah its like white on blue
16:25.40wpsI have utf8 text in my MySQL database
16:25.47wpsI am dumping it and importing it into another MySQL database
16:25.53wpswhen I import it the characters are not right
16:26.02wpsnow do I specify UFT8 on import
16:26.17DexterTheDragonare you using mysqldump?
16:26.21wpsis that a flag you can specify during the mysql < ?
16:26.24wpsyes
16:26.30wpsdo I need to specify it on the dump?
16:26.58DexterTheDragonit should be in the dump file
16:27.18DexterTheDragonunless your using some odd flags or an old version
16:27.34wpsk… I'll for it as a dump option
16:27.38DexterTheDragonopen the sql file and at the top should be a line like /*!40101 SET NAMES utf8 */;
16:30.07wpsthis looks like it might be what I need
16:30.08wps--default-character-set=...
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16:42.20wpshmm
16:42.24wpsso that flag didn't work
16:42.39wpsI ran another dump without it though—the way I normally do—and the looked at the file
16:42.46wpsit says DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8
16:42.52wpsso it appears that the dump file is set correct
16:43.02wpsthe problem must be on the import side
16:44.47wpsflip-flop-friday means cold feet in an office
16:48.49thebigdogwps you have issues with mysql
16:52.57wpsyes
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17:04.45thebigdogwps, what is the issue?
17:05.37wpsI have utf8 text in my MySQL database
17:05.44wpsI am dumping it and importing it into another MySQL database
17:05.51wpswhen I import it the characters are not right
17:08.32thebigdogchanging the char set in the new db did not fix it
17:08.51wpsthe charsets are already correct on both ends
17:09.16thebigdoghow about client set
17:09.32wpswhat do you mean by "client set"?
17:15.14wpsthis is a joke
17:15.30wpsI run mysqldump --add-drop-database
17:15.33wpsand get
17:15.38wpsmysqldump: unrecognized option `--add-drop-database'
17:15.50wpseven though --add-drop-database is in the man file
17:15.57thebigdoghehe
17:16.12thebigdogmgeary, wait for it....wait for it
17:16.19jsmithwps: Is it possible you're running a different version than what the man files are installed for?
17:16.30DexterTheDragonmysqldump --version
17:17.09wpsmysqldump  Ver 8.23 Distrib 3.23.58, for pc-linux (i686)
17:17.15wpspossible, NOC does some crazy things
17:17.23wpsthe man page says it's for MySQL 5.0
17:17.27wpsand I'm running 5.0
17:18.19DexterTheDragonwow
17:18.39DexterTheDragonyeah mysqldump is version 3.23
17:18.46DexterTheDragonthere's some differences there
17:19.34wpsah, does that mean it's version 8.23 of mysqldump and that version 8.23 is for version 3.23.58 of MySQL ?
17:20.06wpswhy would you upgrade MySQL and not mysql dump?
17:21.04DexterTheDragonits possible to upgrade the server and not the client tools
17:21.17DexterTheDragonor they have more than one version of the client tools installed
17:28.21thebigdogwps what distro you on?
17:28.26wpscentos
17:28.55thebigdogthen you should be ok with the rpms
17:30.05thebigdogi would check your char set on your server, db, tables and then your connections on old and new and make sure they are the same
17:30.06beandogmysqldump version is not gonna be the same as mysql
17:30.12beandogthey are different programs
17:30.41beandogeven the shell is its own program
17:31.57wpsright… did the distrib 3.xx.xx not refer to the MySQL version that the mysldump is supposed to be for?
17:32.31DexterTheDragonyour mysqldump is for 3.23
17:41.07tierramysqldump  Ver 10.11 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (i486)
17:41.09tierra^ mine
17:41.31tierraso I think it's safe to say you need a new version of the client tools
17:41.58wpsyeah… submitted a ticket to NOC… now I have to wait :(
17:42.56mgearyso what are the top 3-5 reasons to use git over svn?
17:43.30wpsI'm interested in the answer to that as well
17:43.40wpsreasons besides "it's cool, popular, what the kernel guys use, etc"
17:44.24tierramostly just if you need a distributed VCS... top reason to use SVN instead would be if you want to use actual productive client tools
17:44.24DexterTheDragonmgeary: distributed SCC, the abilty to actually branch and merge
17:44.38mgearydistributed how/why?
17:44.51wpsif you you want centralized, is there value?
17:45.06DexterTheDragonyou can have a centralized with git
17:45.28wpsright… tierra mentioned "if you need distributed" as a feature though
17:45.32tierrado you have a lot of developers that take their code on the road
17:45.32DexterTheDragonwith svn I would get in the habit of not commiting for days cause then the repo would have broken code
17:45.49tierracode on the road... hehe
17:45.53mgearyDexterTheDragon: i'm in that boat as well. How does git make a difference?
17:45.54DexterTheDragonwith git I can commit every hour and it doesn't effect anyone till I push it all up to the server
17:46.08mgearyhmm
17:49.14beandogreally?
17:49.16beandogis that how it works?
17:49.17tierrayou do still have a lot more freedom of choice with tools and platforms with SVN, and it is still much more widely supported than any distributed VCS
17:49.19beandogthats cool
17:51.10tierrabut if your team of developers is actually an experienced group that knows how VCS works in and out, there are some nice features of git that your devs can take advantage of
17:53.58tierraif you plan to use git on Windows though, keep in mind you're going to also be using Cygwin
17:57.31PoeticIntensityhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEhhyugT42o
17:57.35PoeticIntensityfairly hilarious....
18:07.24PoeticIntensitywhat...?
18:07.33mindjuju:)
18:07.40mindjujuhave yous een dr. horrible?
18:07.44PoeticIntensityI have!
18:07.46PoeticIntensityloved it....
18:07.55mindjujuyeah, twas v good
18:08.04mindjujusongs were quite catchy
18:09.35beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiGCD2Z0w9s
19:31.40wpscan anyone see anything wrong with this rewrite rule?
19:31.41wpsRewriteRule ^(.*)(/-/)?(.*)?$ /index.html?map=$1&params=$2 [L,QSA]
19:31.51wpsthis URL /en/resources/webinars/-/20
19:32.18wpsshould put "/en/resources/webinars" into map and "20" into param
19:32.24wpsbut it's putt the entire URL into map
19:33.28jsmithwps: You probably want a non-greedy match in the first set of parentheses
19:33.38jsmithwps: (and the third, for that matter)
19:33.47wpslet me rewrite it and show you
19:36.32wpsperhaps like this?
19:36.33wps^([^-]+)(/-/)?([^-]*)?$
19:37.04wpshmm… that's still no good
19:37.23wpsI need to say "anything except "/-/" in the first and third set of params
19:39.35wps^(([^/][^-][^/])+)(/-/)?(([^/][^-][^/])*)?$
20:14.22orsonj(svn vs. git) One common setup is using git on your local computer and svn on the server. that way, you can as mentioned, do commits on your local machine while in active development, then push your final results to the server.
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20:33.44thebigdogor you can use eclipse that has a local versioning built in
20:36.17itimber~flip thebigdog
20:36.18jbotACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|.
20:36.35itimbergreat to have you back jbot
20:37.52mgeary~growup jbot
20:38.16wpswhat's a character that I can use in a URL that isn't already reserved for something but is still valid in a URL?
20:38.37mgeary( and )
20:38.48jsmith^
20:39.00jsmith%
20:39.06mgearyi saw a crazy url the other day. had all kinds of chars i hadn't thought were usable
20:39.07thebigdog_
20:39.18mgeary@
20:39.42beandog/
20:39.42wpsthanks
20:39.45jsmith!
20:39.51wpsslash doesn't work :)
20:39.52jsmithbeandog: That's just mean!
20:41.20thebigdoghehe
20:41.20orsonj'a' isn't reserved for anything
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20:42.05thebigdogthebigdog is reserved though
20:42.41itimberas are any i names
20:42.43itimber:)
20:43.24orsonj~!@#$&*()_+-=:;'?,./   <-- these characters don't convert to %XX codes
21:02.37herlorude!
22:07.25DexterTheDragonman I love being able to commit only parts of a file
22:14.15macnewboldhuh?
22:14.20macnewboldhow'd you manage that?
22:14.22macnewboldpatch or something?
22:17.23mgearyhey has anyone here ever worked with a USB credit-card reader for a web app?
22:19.25DexterTheDragonmacnewbold: with git
22:30.20thebigdognot for a credit card app
22:30.34thebigdogerr web app
22:31.07thebigdogif you want to do something like that then you might need something in the middle
22:31.16thebigdogor use another technology
22:34.49mgearyi've got the middle stuff already done
22:35.08mgearyi'm looking at card readers now. They just emulate keyboard input
22:35.44mgearyi just don't know how what fields are able to be pulled from a card, and how the card reader can synch that up with fields
22:36.06thebigdogmost of them can read all the fields on the cc
22:36.27thebigdogusually you have something that will grab it from the cc reader
22:36.46thebigdogmost cc readers will have an api too
22:37.32mgearyhence my question about web integration
22:39.09thebigdogyou just said you have the middle stuff done
22:39.17mgearywell, depends on what you mean by middle stuff
22:39.37thebigdogstuff to take from cc reader to web app
22:39.51mgearyah, no
22:40.32thebigdogdo you have a card reader?
22:40.39mgearynope
22:40.48mgearybut they're cheap
22:40.52mgearymight just get one and do some tests
22:42.57thebigdogyeah get you a sure swipe or soemthing
22:43.35thebigdogyou might have to find an api for it that will let you interface with the driver
22:44.29mgearyah, here's what i wanted:
22:44.30thebigdogor i guess you can access the keyboard buffer if they emulate the keyboard like you said
22:44.33mgearyhttp://www.intellisw.com/intelliswipe/cc/features.html
22:44.38mgeary[Cardholder Name][tab]
22:44.38mgeary[Card Number][tab]
22:44.38mgeary[Expiration Date][enter]
22:47.37thebigdogso i guess you would jsut have the webpage up and if the window is active it is as if someone typed it in via the keyboard
22:47.47thebigdogand entered the page
22:48.01thebigdogso you have a webpage that is a form
22:48.05thebigdogname
22:48.07thebigdogcc
22:48.09thebigdogexp date
22:48.18mgearyright
22:48.21thebigdogand you just post back to that page
22:48.28mgearyyeah
22:48.28thebigdogand it will loop through
22:50.08mgearyi see that cards apparently have up to 3 tracks. With some readers only reading 1 & 2, and others reading all 3. i wonder what's on those tracks
22:50.31thebigdoga lot of information
22:50.33thebigdogtons of it
22:50.52thebigdogaccount info, personal crap and stuff
22:51.10thebigdogi have a buddy that developed tons of cc stuff and he is amazed at all the stuff on them
22:51.17thebigdogand to get the stuff off is a swipe away
22:51.30mgearyhttp://www.tech-faq.com/mag-stripe-cards.shtml
22:51.48mgeary"Track 3 is used to store the enciphered PIN, country code, currency units, amount authorized, subsidiary account information, and other account restrictions"
22:52.20thebigdogyeah and notice the discretionary data
22:52.25mgearyyeah
22:52.51thebigdogthat does get filled too
22:52.58thebigdogwell im out
22:53.02thebigdoggl mgeary
22:53.06mgearythanks
23:29.13itimberI'm out.... later guys
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