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| 04:30.47 | Trevyn | wps, your a faggot: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/20080618.html.gz |
| 04:33.36 | Trevyn | wps: way to focus on the brighter things by ripping on my name behind my back. |
| 04:33.58 | wps | I didn't say anything I wouldn't have said in front of you or in front of my mother |
| 04:34.51 | Trevyn | Again, why would you crack on me? |
| 04:35.38 | Trevyn | you made it seem like point out fault was a bad thing? |
| 04:37.21 | Trevyn | wps: What did I ever do to you? I thought you and I were cool. It came as a shock that you said that I guess |
| 04:38.33 | Trevyn | wps: could you explain why you think those things? |
| 04:40.43 | herlo | Trevyn: I'd recommend you cool it, wps is well respected here |
| 04:41.16 | wps | I apologize if my comments were offensive. They were not typed to "crack" on you for fun. |
| 04:41.23 | Trevyn | herlo: doesnt mean he is right. |
| 04:41.27 | herlo | it seems like you want to pick a fight, I read what he said and he knows this channels is logged |
| 04:41.39 | herlo | Trevyn: but you could just let it go |
| 04:41.52 | wps | someone asked me who you were and I gave an honest description of who I understand you to be |
| 04:41.55 | Trevyn | Brining in ideas to uphpu is what the channel is for |
| 04:42.11 | herlo | and friendly discussion |
| 04:42.12 | Trevyn | I thought. |
| 04:42.33 | Trevyn | I dont know where thing went bad. |
| 04:42.52 | Trevyn | I just remember getting sarcasm and rude remarks when I was new. |
| 04:42.52 | herlo | well, calling people names isn't going to help the situation |
| 04:43.33 | Trevyn | he's a griper |
| 04:43.36 | Trevyn | "he's a griper" |
| 04:43.42 | Trevyn | :) |
| 04:43.55 | Trevyn | eat your own dog food people. |
| 04:44.52 | Trevyn | wps: you dont know me, and yes sometime I get a little sharp. Sorry |
| 04:46.02 | herlo | Trevyn: like I said, let it go |
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| 14:27.02 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... wow. |
| 14:27.14 | PoeticIntensity | It amazes me how some people just .... don't get it. |
| 14:27.19 | SunSparc | ? |
| 14:27.23 | mindjuju1 | yeah, i saw that |
| 14:27.35 | SunSparc | Oh, with Trevyn? |
| 14:28.06 | PoeticIntensity | I kind of feel sorry for people like that... because if they honestly don't know how they come across to most people... |
| 14:28.16 | PoeticIntensity | they're in for a rude awakening sometime in life.... |
| 14:28.59 | PoeticIntensity | and in the meantime, they just dig themselves deeper and deeper... |
| 14:30.21 | mindjuju1 | need to send him an email to see if we can't fix this |
| 14:32.34 | PoeticIntensity | you're a good man, mindjuju1. |
| 14:32.37 | SunSparc | Yeah, he seems like he is honestly trying to be helpful, but he comes across very badly. |
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| 14:33.27 | PoeticIntensity | Social networking (such like UPHPU) is one of the best tools I know of to help oneself professionally. |
| 14:33.56 | SunSparc | Amen |
| 14:34.22 | PoeticIntensity | People like Trevyn most likely don't even know the damage they're unnecessarily causing themselves. |
| 14:34.31 | mindjuju | well, it's more from a stance that we have a community here, can't have people coming in and calling each other names like that. dataw0lf and I disagree on politics, but we've never done that to each other. There is a mutual respect there |
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| 14:35.05 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, *that* is the precise reason I love this channel so much. |
| 14:35.38 | PoeticIntensity | hey.... on that note.... |
| 14:35.47 | PoeticIntensity | I re-designed my blogging site... |
| 14:35.58 | mindjuju | what's the URL |
| 14:36.04 | mindjuju | it's like i love my blog, isnT it? |
| 14:36.05 | PoeticIntensity | if anyone would care to comment, I'd appreciate the feedback... |
| 14:36.05 | SunSparc | Yeah, disagreeing is one thing, as long as it is kept respectable and mature. When it gets down to childishness like name calling, it needs to be fixed. |
| 14:36.09 | PoeticIntensity | www.ilovemyjournal.com |
| 14:36.15 | PoeticIntensity | (close, mindjuju) |
| 14:36.24 | PoeticIntensity | Amen, SunSparc |
| 14:36.32 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - i like that |
| 14:36.46 | PoeticIntensity | to contrast against the old site, www.ilovemyjournal.com/old_site |
| 14:36.52 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, mindjuju |
| 14:37.18 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: It is clean. Easy to see where things are. |
| 14:37.34 | mindjuju | yup |
| 14:37.40 | PoeticIntensity | muchly thankee |
| 14:38.01 | PoeticIntensity | That was pretty much the reason I re-designed it... |
| 14:38.13 | PoeticIntensity | I needed the content to be more available / searchable... |
| 14:38.17 | PoeticIntensity | and I needed two columns... |
| 14:38.17 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 15:01.38 | mindjuju | i hate it when a DJ raises / lowers the volume on the left and right channel |
| 15:01.46 | mindjuju | as if that is suppose to be a "cool" effect |
| 15:01.49 | mindjuju | just makes me dizzy |
| 15:02.17 | SunSparc | Hang the DJ |
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| 16:00.46 | thebigdog | morning all |
| 16:01.18 | romanovic | g'morning |
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| 16:03.48 | thebigdog | hows it going all |
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| 16:19.22 | dataw0lf | morning gentlemen |
| 16:22.31 | _psychic_ | mornin |
| 16:23.53 | carmony | Hey, I got a question: I'm getting these characters in the output to the browser after including a file: http://pastebin.ca/1180796 |
| 16:24.07 | carmony | I have no clue how they are being included |
| 16:24.23 | _psychic_ | they're being printed out in the file you included prolly |
| 16:24.33 | carmony | I completely emptied the file |
| 16:24.39 | carmony | if I include another file, no problem |
| 16:24.40 | DexterTheDragon | welcome to character encodings |
| 16:25.06 | carmony | wow... they are in there... |
| 16:25.18 | carmony | if I nano it.... and start editing, it shows up |
| 16:27.15 | SunSparc | Yeah, those indicate encoding. |
| 16:28.12 | SunSparc | Usually editors don't display them since they are just used to indicate the encoding. |
| 16:30.40 | carmony | that is hella weird... |
| 16:30.46 | carmony | I have no clue how it got in there |
| 16:31.19 | DexterTheDragon | jumping between encodings |
| 16:31.52 | carmony | yeah.... well, I delete the file from svn, created a new one and pasted the good content and I'm good to go. |
| 16:32.12 | dataw0lf | what're you using? Dreamweaver? |
| 16:33.19 | carmony | Zend Studio |
| 16:33.26 | carmony | 6 |
| 16:34.41 | dataw0lf | ugh. almost as bad. |
| 16:34.51 | SunSparc | heh |
| 16:36.04 | josephscott | carmony: was this on a windows box by any chance? |
| 16:36.21 | carmony | josephscott: even worse, sometimes I Work in windows, other times mac, and others linux :p |
| 16:36.27 | carmony | depending on my location |
| 16:36.39 | josephscott | they could be byte order marks (BOM) |
| 16:37.07 | josephscott | I've seen windows and IIS screw up WordPress installs by passing BOMs back with HTTP requests |
| 16:38.12 | josephscott | I've talked with some Microsoft folks about it, still don't have a clear answer on what's going on |
| 16:38.12 | dataw0lf | it sounds like a problem with his editor's encoding, not the server. |
| 16:38.59 | mindjuju | for all you breakbeats lovers, ravetrax is where it is at |
| 16:39.15 | mindjuju | which i know dataw0lf loves 'em |
| 16:39.20 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:39.21 | dataw0lf | oh I thought you said breakfast |
| 16:39.39 | dataw0lf | I was like, man, are you telling me there's a electronic music themed restaurant now? because I'm going to get my shotgun |
| 16:39.50 | mindjuju | heh |
| 16:40.15 | dataw0lf | to blow my brains out, not to go on a wild rampage amongst ravers drinking coffee and eating eggs |
| 16:40.20 | dataw0lf | although come to think of it that's not a bad idea either |
| 16:40.49 | mindjuju | i think you'd like it, you should give this stuff a try |
| 16:41.03 | mindjuju | it's not quite the same sound you say it always is |
| 16:41.09 | dataw0lf | uns uns uns uns uns uns |
| 16:41.15 | mindjuju | ns... ns... yeah that |
| 16:41.19 | mindjuju | it's NOT tha |
| 16:41.27 | dataw0lf | I dunno man, I have a lot of friends who're big into that stuff and they still haven't sold me on it |
| 16:41.30 | carmony | okay, that is fixed |
| 16:42.02 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: but I guess I could fit in a listen after lunch |
| 16:42.20 | mindjuju | heh |
| 16:42.29 | mindjuju | what you listening to now? |
| 16:42.34 | dataw0lf | Cake |
| 16:42.41 | dataw0lf | good morning music |
| 16:42.42 | mindjuju | ah, good choice |
| 16:43.42 | dataw0lf | France Cordova, grrrr |
| 17:09.44 | mindjuju | so with a position:absolute, can i make it relative to the object it is inside? Say i have big div1 and inside smaller div, and i want to place smaller div at a specific spot inside big div, not relative to the document, but relative to the div |
| 17:11.34 | dataw0lf | yea it's relative to the containing block |
| 17:11.47 | dataw0lf | fixed is used for relative to the browser window |
| 17:12.38 | mindjuju | ah, gotcha |
| 17:12.44 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 17:27.55 | wps_ | mindjuju: fixed is relative to the browser, unless it's parent is set to relative |
| 17:28.03 | wps_ | oops |
| 17:28.06 | wps_ | type-o |
| 17:28.07 | wps_ | hold on |
| 17:28.49 | asdfasdfasdfasdf | d |
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| 17:30.11 | wps_ | mindjuju: absolute by default is relative to the browser |
| 17:30.42 | wps_ | you can have something absolutely positioned, relative to it's parent howeverâ¦Â if it's parent is specifically set to relative |
| 17:30.43 | burnin | hey guys, is anyone using a light weight PHP based task list or project management app? |
| 17:30.45 | wps_ | hope that helps |
| 17:30.58 | wps_ | I recommend Tasks Pro |
| 17:32.34 | burnin | what is the license on Tasks Pro? |
| 17:32.56 | wps_ | I don't remember off the top of my head but it is _very_ reasonable |
| 17:33.03 | wps_ | $150 or 100 users or something like that |
| 17:33.16 | wps_ | I have used it daily for several years |
| 17:33.22 | wps_ | very light-weight and works great |
| 17:33.27 | wps_ | not bloated |
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| 17:34.13 | wps | left Colloquy running at home :) |
| 17:34.16 | wps | had to SSH in and kill it |
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| 18:47.54 | redroy | when you add two arrays can it handle multi-deminsional? |
| 18:47.58 | redroy | Doesn't seem to be working |
| 18:55.20 | redroy | I'm wanting to add two arrays along the lines of |
| 18:55.22 | redroy | $arr1 = array("one" => array("two" => array("three" => "hello"))); |
| 18:55.23 | redroy | $arr2 = array("one" => array("two" => array("four" => "world!"))); |
| 18:58.05 | redroy | where the resulting array would have indexes three and four within the last array |
| 19:14.35 | thebigdog | redroy, what are you trying to do |
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| 19:27.43 | redroy | I'm trying to add two arrays, preserving both; does that make sense? |
| 19:28.08 | _psychic_ | merge? |
| 19:29.04 | redroy | merge doesn't preserve ... as far as I can get |
| 19:29.54 | dataw0lf | $arr1 + $arr2; |
| 19:30.59 | redroy | exactly what I was trying... but it doesn't preserve the nested arrays... seems to just take the last addition and override |
| 19:32.34 | orsonj | array_merge_recursive |
| 19:34.44 | dataw0lf | bah. PHP arrays are the spawn of satan. |
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| 19:41.30 | redroy | I"ll look into that one orsonj, thanks. |
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| 20:04.14 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.32 | mgeary | well, that was the argument i made to myself when i signed up |
| 20:04.44 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:04.46 | mgeary | but The Real World⢠has a way of being very persuasive |
| 20:05.21 | mgeary | by, you know, like, having clients leave you |
| 20:05.37 | mgeary | not that any of our clients would actually do that. They love us |
| 20:05.38 | mgeary | :) |
| 20:05.56 | mindjuju | hmmm |
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| 20:23.59 | redroy | array_merge_recursive was the trick, thanks guys! |
| 20:27.05 | mgeary | Frooties rock. Especially Smooth Cherry Frooties |
| 20:27.25 | dataw0lf | wtf is a frootie. |
| 20:28.06 | mgeary | http://www.blaircandy.com/mitoroasfl24.html |
| 20:28.06 | mindjuju | i'm guessing some kind of fruit smoothie? |
| 20:28.23 | mgeary | little tootsie-roll-like thingys that are smaller and taste better |
| 20:34.56 | dataw0lf | ooh, right. frooties are pretty tasty. |
| 20:35.31 | wps | I like them |
| 20:37.29 | mindjuju | i think gatorgum was the best tasting gum ever |
| 20:37.43 | mgeary | yeah, it was fun |
| 20:37.53 | mgeary | but the best-tasting gum ever has to go to Fruit Stripes |
| 20:38.04 | mgeary | or possibly Chicklets. The tiny ones. |
| 20:39.14 | mgeary | I could eat (not chew) a pack of Fruit Stripes in about 8 minutes |
| 20:39.14 | jsmith | Fruit Stripes is better than Chiclets |
| 20:39.14 | mgeary | remember when you were a kid and people told you that if you swallowed gum it would stay in your stomach for 7 years? |
| 20:39.21 | mindjuju | yeah, i remember that |
| 20:39.25 | mgeary | "well, it might stay in YOURs, but i actually go poop now and then...." |
| 20:39.34 | mgeary | idiots |
| 20:39.52 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:40.24 | dataw0lf | heck yea |
| 20:40.31 | mindjuju | cna you imagine what a mess your stomach would look like if it did stay there 7 years |
| 20:40.34 | dataw0lf | better than spitting it out and letting people step in it |
| 20:45.46 | pelaofeliz | IIRC, the 7 years is for it to biodegrade, not digest... |
| 20:46.34 | mindjuju | pelaofeliz, that may be how it started from C Everett Coop, but to hear my mom preach it, it stayed in your belly |
| 20:47.03 | orsonj | you just need to down a coke and it decomposes in about 7 minutes |
| 20:47.26 | mindjuju | if that |
| 20:47.31 | wps | I've heard cola can eat through metal |
| 20:47.48 | orsonj | not really, but it does clean it quite well |
| 20:48.09 | mindjuju | i think it disovles a chicken bone in like a week |
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| 20:50.20 | dataw0lf | Nah. |
| 20:50.38 | mindjuju | oh |
| 20:50.44 | mindjuju | don't know, was just saying think |
| 20:50.53 | mindjuju | i do know that vinegar strips the shell off an egg though |
| 20:51.04 | mindjuju | that experiment i have done |
| 20:51.10 | unum | http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp |
| 20:51.28 | dataw0lf | you can use cola to dissolve rust, and that's about it. the acid concentration in cola is pretty darn low. There's more in a lot of other beverages. |
| 20:51.29 | mgeary | it doesn't strip the shell. It leeches out the calcium |
| 20:51.37 | mgeary | making it rubbery |
| 20:52.52 | DexterTheDragon | that's why you shouldn't soak your bones in vinegar |
| 20:53.04 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:53.32 | mgeary | just in time! |
| 20:54.26 | orsonj | If you want to destroy some evidence, barfing on it would be more successful. (extrapolating from the info on snopes) |
| 20:54.47 | mgeary | that's why i keep a bottle of ipecac handy at all times |
| 20:55.28 | mindjuju | barfing destroys evidence? |
| 20:55.47 | mindjuju | wouldn't that prove conclusively that you were at a location, by you barfing at the location? |
| 20:56.11 | mgeary | details |
| 20:57.07 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:57.16 | PoeticIntensity | I love the conversations we have... |
| 20:57.25 | mindjuju | so we meet again PoeticIntensity |
| 20:57.41 | dataw0lf | http://www.amonline.net.au/eureka/index.cfm?objectid=A4D69CF1-9890-B67D-2409EF3BFCD8F038&DISPLAYENTRY=true |
| 20:57.44 | dataw0lf | hot |
| 20:58.41 | mindjuju | all they have is project details, don't seem to find the link for evening dress photos |
| 20:58.55 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 21:02.02 | PoeticIntensity | and counters with a Judo chalkboard chop-chop. |
| 21:02.16 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 21:02.24 | PoeticIntensity | darn straight! |
| 21:02.25 | mindjuju | ~dhit poeticintensity |
| 21:02.26 | jbot | ACTION performs Dog Collar of the Heavens on poeticintensity |
| 21:02.37 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart mindjuju |
| 21:02.37 | jbot | follow's mindjuju with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 21:02.46 | mindjuju | ~bdhit poeticintensity |
| 21:02.47 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at poeticintensity's pain |
| 21:02.54 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 21:02.55 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 21:02.59 | PoeticIntensity | aaawww man. |
| 21:03.01 | PoeticIntensity | too funny. |
| 21:03.03 | DexterTheDragon | ~chucknorris mindjuju |
| 21:03.03 | jbot | ACTION wheel kicks mindjuju |
| 21:03.49 | mindjuju | except of course, with some bruce lee moves |
| 21:04.40 | DexterTheDragon | the techno viking defeated chuck norris |
| 21:04.54 | mindjuju | technoviking? |
| 21:05.27 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1nzEFMjkI4 |
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| 21:10.30 | mindjuju | technoviking rox! |
| 21:18.44 | mindjuju | any css gur00bs around? want to find out more about this notation " font: normal 12px/18px " i'm currently at w3.org and not seeing much |
| 21:19.21 | wps | I've never seen that before |
| 21:19.29 | mgeary | me neither |
| 21:20.39 | mindjuju | curiously, it does show up once at w3.org, but doesn't say what it is shorthand for http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html |
| 21:20.45 | mindjuju | p { font: 12px/14px sans-serif } |
| 21:21.05 | josephscott | line height I think |
| 21:21.25 | mindjuju | oh, so 12px for the font size, 14 for line height |
| 21:21.28 | josephscott | first one is the font size, second is the line height |
| 21:21.32 | josephscott | yep |
| 21:21.55 | josephscott | w3schools is good for that kind of stuff |
| 21:21.58 | josephscott | http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_font.asp |
| 21:22.06 | mgeary | yeah, w3schools++ |
| 21:22.17 | mgeary | though i hate their search widget |
| 21:22.26 | mgeary | how it uses google and pops a window |
| 21:22.32 | josephscott | general ugly site, but lots of good info |
| 21:22.40 | mindjuju | i was just at w3schools, but didn't see something that says fontsize/linespacing |
| 21:23.10 | josephscott | http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_font.asp |
| 21:23.22 | josephscott | look at the section called "CSS Font Properties" |
| 21:23.36 | josephscott | the values column for the first entry, font |
| 21:23.46 | josephscott | indicates "font-size/line-height" |
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| 21:24.30 | mindjuju | ohhhhhhhhh... i see it now |
| 21:26.00 | mindjuju | thx josephscott |
| 21:26.08 | mindjuju | ~josephscott++ |
| 21:26.49 | mgeary | ~karma josephscott |
| 21:26.49 | jbot | josephscott has karma of 1 |
| 21:48.32 | dataw0lf | ~karma dataw0lf |
| 21:48.32 | jbot | dataw0lf has neutral karma |
| 21:48.37 | dataw0lf | >_< wth. |
| 21:50.52 | mindjuju | ~dataw0lf++ |
| 21:51.02 | mindjuju | for all the security advice you've offered in the past |
| 21:51.07 | mindjuju | ~karma dataw0lf |
| 21:51.07 | jbot | dataw0lf has karma of 1 |
| 21:51.31 | mindjuju | ~dataw0lf++ |
| 21:51.56 | mindjuju | for all the crap i give you about being better than you in halo 2 and prolly cod4 if i ever played |
| 21:52.09 | mindjuju | ~karma dataw0lf |
| 21:52.09 | jbot | dataw0lf has karma of 2 |
| 21:53.19 | mindjuju | havent' played halo 3, but i'd prolly kick everybody's butt here |
| 21:55.18 | dataw0lf | most likely. Since it's gay. |
| 21:56.26 | brasto | what's a good usage for masquerade in iptables (other than man) |
| 21:58.14 | brasto | or if anyone simply has a good usage example, that'll prolly work for me... |
| 21:58.44 | thebigdog | u mean ip masq in iptables? |
| 21:58.48 | brasto | yep |
| 21:59.57 | thebigdog | your asking why would you do it? |
| 22:00.25 | dataw0lf | NAT. |
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| 22:01.48 | brasto | oops, i got kicked somehow |
| 22:02.04 | thebigdog | some people make the distinction of 1:many as masq and 1:1 as NAT |
| 22:02.09 | thebigdog | but to me they are both nat |
| 22:02.27 | thebigdog | and sometimes people lump proxy in there too |
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| 22:36.33 | jsmith-away | thebigdog: Full cone NAT, half cone NAT, one-to-one NAT, PAT... they're all NAT to me |
| 22:37.57 | thebigdog | however, i dont consider these nat: Port-Restricted cone NAT, Symmetric NAT |
| 22:39.29 | thebigdog | mr jsmith |
| 22:39.34 | thebigdog | ;) |
| 22:41.32 | thebigdog | ~stun jsmith-away |
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