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| 04:28.04 | thebigdog | evening all |
| 04:30.46 | herlo | thebigdog: hi |
| 04:31.02 | thebigdog | herlo whatz up bro...where you at today? |
| 04:31.23 | herlo | thebigdog: Utah, for the next 3 weeks |
| 04:31.35 | thebigdog | oh nice |
| 04:32.03 | herlo | you are the lead... |
| 04:32.09 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 04:32.24 | herlo | feel free to pm |
| 04:45.56 | beandog | asl? |
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| 15:41.50 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju is eaten by a grue |
| 15:42.19 | SunSparc | ~dict grue |
| 15:44.02 | DexterTheDragon | oh no uphpu meeting |
| 15:49.19 | mindjuju | foiled! |
| 15:49.44 | mindjuju | DexterTheDragon - did you ever play the zork series? |
| 15:49.50 | DexterTheDragon | nope |
| 15:50.04 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 15:50.28 | mindjuju | back in the day when gaming was about stories and not button combos |
| 15:56.44 | SunSparc | WoW has a decent storyline. Although most people I know don't play WoW for the storyline and hate all the questing. |
| 15:57.22 | SunSparc | I like finding a good lake and doing some fishing in between killing horde punks. |
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| 16:19.39 | itimber | morning guys |
| 16:20.26 | mindjuju | good morning to you itimber |
| 16:21.00 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:21.10 | itimber | sup mindjuju |
| 16:21.32 | mindjuju | not much |
| 16:21.36 | mindjuju | just chillin' |
| 16:22.00 | itimber | right on |
| 16:22.09 | itimber | you get your streaming server squared away? |
| 16:22.09 | dataw0lf | sup sup itimber |
| 16:22.16 | itimber | sup DW |
| 16:22.32 | mindjuju | itimber - nah, it's gone loco with the streams |
| 16:22.44 | mindjuju | errr, rather, it's workging fine, but people are hitting it like no other |
| 16:23.52 | itimber | loco hits * 10MB == lotza bandwidth |
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| 16:24.47 | mindjuju | yeah, that particular video is pushing out 260g of throughput this month |
| 16:24.54 | mindjuju | but it looks like it might be tapering down |
| 16:25.37 | mindjuju | and that's actually from the 6th when it went live |
| 16:25.44 | itimber | right on... well, my offer is still on the table if you need another server |
| 16:25.45 | mindjuju | so, 14 days |
| 16:26.05 | itimber | I've got 2 w/ surpluses |
| 16:26.27 | itimber | right on |
| 16:26.32 | mindjuju | dat cool, but i gots to have realtime streaming not progressive (where i just put the flv as a file on a server) |
| 16:28.06 | dataw0lf | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/05/AR2007100502492.html |
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| 16:36.20 | romanovic | dataw0lf, what caught your attention in this article? |
| 16:37.50 | dataw0lf | the fact that WW2 interrogators by and large criticize the current administration for their stance on aggressive techniques |
| 16:39.05 | romanovic | yes that is interesting. |
| 16:39.45 | romanovic | but i am surprised at the same time, when they say things like "many of the proud men lamented the chasm between the way they conducted interrogations during the war and the harsh measures used today in questioning terrorism suspects" |
| 16:40.22 | dataw0lf | why are you surprised? |
| 16:41.51 | romanovic | There are many questionable methods of interrogation portrayed by the media, being used by governmental agencies. These veterans I assume were military interrogators, and "harsh measures" does not describe how the military conducts interrogations |
| 16:42.41 | dataw0lf | portrayed by the media? Most of my knowledge of interrogation techniques has nothing to do with stuff I saw on MSNBC. |
| 16:43.17 | beandog | heh |
| 16:44.23 | dataw0lf | and I don't understand the phrase '"harsh measures" does not describe how the military conducts interrogations" |
| 16:44.30 | romanovic | Thats probably a good thing, and I'm not saying there aren't lot of things the military could change for the better |
| 16:44.40 | dataw0lf | were you in the military? |
| 16:45.06 | romanovic | I am currently |
| 16:45.13 | dataw0lf | what branch? |
| 16:45.19 | romanovic | I do like the quote "We got more information out of a German general with a game of chess or Ping-Pong than they do today, with their torture," |
| 16:45.25 | romanovic | army |
| 16:45.29 | dataw0lf | what's your MOS? |
| 16:45.35 | romanovic | 35M |
| 16:45.38 | romanovic | are you in the military? |
| 16:45.44 | dataw0lf | I was |
| 16:45.45 | dataw0lf | 19D |
| 16:46.03 | romanovic | nice |
| 16:46.06 | romanovic | cav scout? |
| 16:46.11 | dataw0lf | Pathfinder school, all requisites (air assault, etc), served with the 75th rangers in afghan and iraq. |
| 16:46.14 | dataw0lf | Indeed. |
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| 16:46.52 | romanovic | (we were until recently 97E, they changed it) |
| 16:47.04 | thebigdog | mine is 55m |
| 16:47.39 | dataw0lf | you're all a bunch of Relaxin Jackson kids. It's cool. |
| 16:47.50 | romanovic | haha |
| 16:48.00 | dataw0lf | 55M I can't even remember what that is. transportation, I'm pretty sure. |
| 16:48.24 | thebigdog | haha |
| 16:48.32 | thebigdog | band/music |
| 16:48.50 | thebigdog | j/k i had a buddy that was one though |
| 16:48.52 | dataw0lf | yea but I'm wondering what MOS that is |
| 16:49.07 | thebigdog | 55m is music |
| 16:49.23 | romanovic | I can say that torture and harsh techniques don't work. The military is recognising this more and more, and trains interrogators to do the exact opposite |
| 16:49.50 | mgeary | yes, there's ample evidence of this training |
| 16:50.15 | dataw0lf | yea, but that doesn't matter if they have a CIA op over their shoulder telling them to do something that has become doctrine due to the presidential administration. |
| 16:50.58 | dataw0lf | the problem doesn't lie with the military |
| 16:51.13 | dataw0lf | although Abu Ghraib can be blamed on a few lower enlisted soldiers, that's complete crap |
| 16:51.15 | romanovic | I agree. and it is frustrating to military intel when cia steps in and takes someone they are questioning and "ruins" them |
| 16:51.47 | dataw0lf | I certainly agree, though. Harsh techniques at best produce minimal results |
| 16:51.57 | dataw0lf | and at worst, it produces bad intelligence that hurts people on the ground. |
| 16:53.26 | dataw0lf | the intelligence doesn't just get filed away when we're fighting two fronts of a global "war". |
| 16:53.45 | dataw0lf | kids on the ground are told to do something, and have been trained to implicitly trust their higher ups. |
| 16:54.22 | dataw0lf | So it's traitorous, in essence, to torture people. Disregard the moral ambiguities that are raised. Even if you don't care that people are torturing other people in the name of your country, at least think about it pragmatically. |
| 16:57.02 | romanovic | Yes. a military interrogator can't get anywhere near torture without severe consequences. One can't even imply that a detainee might be released to anyone or any country that condones torture |
| 16:57.48 | mgeary | yeah. that NEVER happens here |
| 16:59.00 | romanovic | lol |
| 17:01.02 | dataw0lf | can anyone else not login to reddit? |
| 17:01.59 | dataw0lf | http://www.economist.com/daily/chartgallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=11955577&source=features_box4 |
| 17:10.47 | romanovic | mgeary, yeah, there is evidence of mistreatment as well as service members who are doing their jobs well. Most of them do do their jobs well, but unfortunately thats not easy to see through the media's eyes |
| 17:11.34 | dataw0lf | Oh bull. Anything referencing soldiers and other military members today in the media is so sugarcoated and lavishing with patriotic praise that it makes me sick. |
| 17:11.41 | mgeary | agreed |
| 17:12.02 | PoeticIntensity | here's a good how-to... :) |
| 17:12.04 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.cracked.com/blog/2008/08/19/how-to-win-a-fight-against-twenty-children/ |
| 17:12.09 | dataw0lf | People can't even attack McCain on his ridiculous assertions and lies because he's OMG a veteran. |
| 17:12.14 | PoeticIntensity | has a few expletives, so beware... |
| 17:14.38 | romanovic | dataw0lf, don't misunderstand, when you say sugarcoated and lavishing I understand what you are saying. But when protesters line the entrances to the military's intelligence schools, holding signs telling the "truth" about what they train there, it is obvious they have been misinformed |
| 17:16.06 | dataw0lf | well, I think that rests in the hands of the protestors, not the media. Anyone who is able to logically digest information knows that the military isn't the perpetrator of the interrogation techniques used at Gitmo and other detainee centers. |
| 17:17.43 | dataw0lf | I think a much larger group of people in the United States somehow believe that we _have_ torture detainees (and give up civil liberties) to win in the "War on Terror". |
| 17:18.03 | dataw0lf | Which, to me, is much scarier than some nutjobs protesting outside a military school because they have nothing better to do. |
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| 17:22.15 | romanovic | well said. there does exist a stereotype of interrogators now, due to the actions of a few, and it is usually inaccurate |
| 17:23.13 | mgeary | dataw0lf: i think you missed an important "to" in your 2nd-to-last post |
| 17:23.21 | mgeary | "believe that we _have_ TO torture..." |
| 17:23.31 | dataw0lf | ah, right, right |
| 17:23.36 | dataw0lf | not enough caffeine yet |
| 17:23.49 | dataw0lf | I should probably get back to 50% work, 50% IRC ;-) |
| 17:24.04 | dataw0lf | romanovic: thanks for your service, man. |
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| 17:25.59 | romanovic | dataw0lf, thank you as well. let me know if i can help distract you again in the future :) |
| 17:30.09 | romanovic | anyone suggest a good php editor? i've been using notepad++ for the last little while when i'm on my windows machine, but i know there's better |
| 17:30.59 | Berkut | Are you looking for free? |
| 17:31.41 | romanovic | yes. I used to use dreamweaver, but i can't afford it and I am trying to use free or affordable now |
| 17:32.54 | Berkut | Can't say I have had much experience with the free. I liked the old Zend Studio, but it was expensive. These days I'm using UEStudio. It's not PHP specific, but it does have highlighting for PHP and awesome FTP support. |
| 17:33.08 | Berkut | I've tried the new Eclipse Zend, but it's FTP support appears to be incredibly clumsy. |
| 17:33.37 | dataw0lf | romanovic: JEdit isn't too bad. |
| 17:34.14 | dataw0lf | I haven't written PHP in a long time, so I may not be up to snuff on the latest and greatest IDEs. |
| 17:34.16 | DexterTheDragon | romanovic: Komodo Edit |
| 17:35.09 | DexterTheDragon | although I prefer vim |
| 17:35.36 | Berkut | Does jEdit have good FTP support? |
| 17:37.33 | dataw0lf | it has a variety of plugins. *shrug* I use vim and TextMate. Haven't used jEdit in a while, although I set it up on my old Vista laptop to emulate TextMate and it worked fairly well. |
| 17:38.03 | dataw0lf | I don't really use FTP in development though so *shrug* |
| 17:38.21 | Berkut | I have a development server that sites beside me in my office. :) |
| 17:38.52 | Berkut | Textmate looks nice, but I have a PC. :( |
| 17:39.54 | thebigdog | Berkut, get eclipse with the remote systems plugin |
| 17:39.58 | thebigdog | and you should be good |
| 17:40.05 | dataw0lf | Berkut: yea, but FTP? why not SVN or git or ... ? |
| 17:40.18 | beandog | or gopher |
| 17:40.23 | wps | SCP |
| 17:40.31 | dataw0lf | SCP doesn't have any history either |
| 17:40.45 | dataw0lf | I don't understand this penchant for using basic file copying mechanisms to deploy to a dev server |
| 17:40.59 | dataw0lf | I git push to our dev server, and then we arrange commits the way we like and deploy to our production servers |
| 17:41.00 | Berkut | thebigdog: I have it. The problem is that (unless I'm missing something) it's multiple clicks to export to FTP. Also, there are perma-warnings I can't get rid of because it can't check the paths over FTP. |
| 17:41.12 | wps | sorryâ¦Â I missed your point |
| 17:41.20 | wps | I thought you were just suggesting an alternate to FTP |
| 17:41.24 | dataw0lf | ah nah |
| 17:41.29 | wps | yes, I agree with you dataw0lf |
| 17:41.31 | dataw0lf | definitely a good alternative to FTP ;-) |
| 17:41.33 | wps | I use SVN to deploy |
| 17:41.42 | SunSparc | ~svn++ |
| 17:41.54 | dataw0lf | you should look into git, Wade. I got converted after years of SVN use by the other senior engineer here. |
| 17:41.58 | Berkut | dataw0lf: Not a bad idea. |
| 17:42.10 | thebigdog | Berkut, im not up on the zend one...i use the eclipse one |
| 17:42.28 | Berkut | thebigdog: I think it's the same. |
| 17:42.42 | dataw0lf | Berkut: well, look at it this way. If you screw up your dev server, if you're using a versioning system, you can always revert, and see exactly what changed, rather than keeping a mental tab because you're using FTP. |
| 17:42.47 | thebigdog | Berkut, i dont think it is |
| 17:43.20 | dataw0lf | wps: p.s. do you use TextMate? |
| 17:43.22 | Berkut | thebigdog: I'm checking it now. |
| 17:44.31 | romanovic | thanks, i'm checking these out right now as well |
| 17:44.36 | Berkut | thebigdog: With Zend I have to go File -> Export... -> Other -> Remote file system and a little more. |
| 17:44.42 | wps | I have wanted to look into it, but haven't felt a pressing need since a centralized system works much better for my work-flow/shop (each developer has a sandbox on a dev server instead of checking the code out to their local machineâ¦Â much easier for web development (different from software development)) |
| 17:44.46 | wps | no, I use Coda |
| 17:44.49 | Berkut | thebigdog: With UEStudio I press Ctrl-S, done. |
| 17:45.11 | dataw0lf | wps: well the thing about git is you can use it as a centralized system fine |
| 17:45.17 | wps | oh? |
| 17:45.21 | dataw0lf | surely. |
| 17:45.33 | thebigdog | Berkut, you have to do that so you can setup the ftp site and other things for eclipse |
| 17:45.37 | wps | coolâ¦Â I'd like to look into it more then |
| 17:45.40 | thebigdog | this then creates a temp project |
| 17:45.43 | dataw0lf | just with cool stuff like local committing and stuff |
| 17:45.48 | thebigdog | which gives you all the local features of eclipse |
| 17:45.58 | thebigdog | all the eclipse versioning and such |
| 17:46.07 | dataw0lf | you don't have to use it like a distributed system if you don't want. We basically use a "master" copy here. |
| 17:46.09 | thebigdog | and allows you to use team sync |
| 17:46.20 | dataw0lf | mgeary: Yum to the git and SVN bundles |
| 17:46.50 | mgeary | i'll have to check that out |
| 17:47.37 | dataw0lf | it's ridiculously awesome |
| 17:47.49 | dataw0lf | I have like 6 branches on this one repo right now |
| 17:47.54 | dataw0lf | so easy to control and merge |
| 17:49.12 | dataw0lf | you can actually use 'git svn' to interface with svn repos and slowly learn git. |
| 17:49.27 | dataw0lf | http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/ best tutorial for git ever. |
| 17:49.36 | mgeary | cool |
| 17:49.37 | mgeary | thanks |
| 17:49.42 | Berkut | thebigdog: Yeah, I see what you mean. Now if only the HTML parser in Eclipse could understand that HTML wrapped in conditional statements... :S |
| 17:50.09 | dataw0lf | you're still using Eclipse, thebigdog |
| 17:50.17 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, yeah i use it all the time |
| 17:50.30 | dataw0lf | you should be called theenterprisewolf |
| 17:50.32 | Berkut | thebigdog: Is there anyway to tell it to ignore an individual warning or error because I know it's NOT an error? |
| 17:50.52 | thebigdog | Berkut, what is the error? |
| 17:51.28 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, it is hard when you have every lang you use in eclipse |
| 17:51.54 | dataw0lf | well I have every language I use in TextMate and vim too, sir |
| 17:52.33 | thebigdog | i just use the same one on each distro |
| 17:52.37 | dataw0lf | of course, I've cut down mucho on the languages I use after getting out of application security. I'm down to Ruby, Python, JavaScript. |
| 17:52.54 | Berkut | thebigdog: I have one document with a <?php if (condition): ?>some html<?php else: ?>some html<?php endif; ?>. Eclipse doesn't understand the conditionals and attempts to validate the HTML, which doesn't work. So my project has permanent errors. |
| 17:52.54 | dataw0lf | Java when I'm forced to fix this monolithic classifieds app we have |
| 17:53.43 | thebigdog | Berkut, i use the php eclipse plugin....not the zend one so i dont have that issue |
| 17:53.54 | Berkut | thebigdog: I suppose I could fix it by turning the HTML into echos, but then I'm being forced to adapt my coding style to the editor. |
| 17:53.58 | Berkut | thebigdog: Is it good? |
| 17:54.15 | thebigdog | yeah i have not had any issues with it at all |
| 17:54.32 | Berkut | thebigdog: Maybe I'll take a look at it instead. Thanks. |
| 17:54.38 | thebigdog | np |
| 17:54.48 | thebigdog | here is how i set it up |
| 17:54.49 | dataw0lf | don't you have a PHP Eclipse build, bigdog |
| 17:55.01 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, i did but it is really old |
| 17:55.33 | dataw0lf | yea, what, like 3 years now? wheeew |
| 17:55.37 | thebigdog | the new php stuff builds uses so much now that it is hard to remove stuff from it |
| 17:55.42 | dataw0lf | I still have the same comments though |
| 17:55.55 | dataw0lf | "ECLIPSE IS GAY THEBIGDOG" |
| 17:56.00 | dataw0lf | oh wait it was bigdog_ut back then |
| 17:56.16 | thebigdog | yes i remmeber your comments |
| 17:56.45 | thebigdog | too each man his tools |
| 17:56.50 | thebigdog | im just really good in eclipse |
| 17:57.17 | SunSparc | Eclipse has a steep learning curve, but when you learn it, it can be very powerful. |
| 17:57.22 | SunSparc | Like vim |
| 17:57.26 | beandog | kinda like vim |
| 17:57.27 | beandog | heh |
| 17:57.39 | SunSparc | ^5 beandog |
| 17:57.48 | beandog | :) |
| 17:58.13 | thebigdog | well there is a difference between and ide and a text editor |
| 17:58.25 | thebigdog | i still use vim alot of editing...but for and ide i use eclipse |
| 17:58.38 | mindjuju | on google maps |
| 18:00.09 | dataw0lf | mmmm whopper |
| 18:00.11 | dataw0lf | good idea mindjuju |
| 18:00.20 | dataw0lf | I've been eating too well lately |
| 18:00.24 | dataw0lf | need something to clog the veins |
| 18:00.47 | mindjuju | course though, i heard about a new burger at Wendy's called the Baconator |
| 18:00.50 | mindjuju | sounds intriguing |
| 18:01.03 | wps | I can't believe people eat fast food |
| 18:01.03 | dataw0lf | had it |
| 18:01.04 | mindjuju | prolly nothing compared to a whopper, but still.... worth a mull, methinks |
| 18:01.07 | dataw0lf | it's baconlicious |
| 18:01.24 | wps | don't do it, mindjuju |
| 18:01.24 | dataw0lf | I eat fast food and have 4% body fat. |
| 18:01.55 | wps | j-dawg? |
| 18:02.17 | beandog | I switched from fast food to Hostess products. |
| 18:02.19 | dataw0lf | hmmmmm, maybe I should eat In-N-Out today. Haven't had it in days. |
| 18:02.21 | mindjuju | wps, how can you resist a commercial like this though? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOI_iS66zus |
| 18:02.32 | mindjuju | it's not the baconator, but it's fast food |
| 18:02.32 | beandog | at least this way I get 10 servings at once. |
| 18:02.38 | wps | yikes |
| 18:02.47 | wps | the king is a freak |
| 18:02.50 | dataw0lf | itimber: animal style double double, animal style fries |
| 18:02.52 | wps | scarier than clowns |
| 18:02.54 | dataw0lf | dude the King is THE KING |
| 18:03.00 | dataw0lf | awesomest commercial character ever |
| 18:03.04 | mindjuju | no doubt, and has the funniest commercials |
| 18:03.05 | itimber | fo sho man |
| 18:03.11 | wps | gives me nightmares |
| 18:03.14 | mindjuju | ^5 dataw0lf |
| 18:03.18 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 18:03.26 | itimber | ^5 dataw0lf |
| 18:03.34 | dataw0lf | dude if the King appeared in my dreams it'd be awesome |
| 18:03.37 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 18:03.43 | beandog | o.O |
| 18:03.47 | dataw0lf | itimber: you going to UTOSC |
| 18:03.49 | dataw0lf | ? |
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| 18:04.06 | wps | ~marry the king |
| 18:04.07 | dataw0lf | I reloaded my high five clip |
| 18:04.11 | mindjuju | for wps - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXF6a2ZXgp0 |
| 18:04.28 | itimber | dataw0lf: not planning on it.... you have a link? |
| 18:04.38 | dataw0lf | http://utosc.com/ |
| 18:04.46 | mindjuju | itimber, dataw0lf is presenting there |
| 18:04.49 | dataw0lf | going to be in town 27th-31st |
| 18:05.12 | itimber | dang.... I may *have* to go then |
| 18:05.19 | itimber | let me see |
| 18:06.03 | dataw0lf | I don't really care if anyone goes to me presentation, I just want to meet up for food and beer (for those who partake) |
| 18:06.40 | dataw0lf | s/me/my |
| 18:06.51 | wps | I wonder if anyone has ever made a rootbeer float with real beer |
| 18:07.16 | dataw0lf | that sounds absolutely disgusting. |
| 18:07.39 | dataw0lf | although I suppose an irish car bomb is frothy enough to count as a alcoholic "root beer float" |
| 18:08.52 | itimber | who all is going from this group? |
| 18:08.53 | wps | why do they call it a car bomb? |
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| 18:09.11 | mindjuju | itimber |
| 18:09.16 | dataw0lf | because you take irish cream, pour half a shotglass, then pour irish whiskey over it, right? |
| 18:09.19 | mindjuju | you've also got josephscott presenting |
| 18:09.24 | mindjuju | and jsmith |
| 18:09.28 | itimber | nice |
| 18:09.37 | dataw0lf | then you take a glass of guinness about 3/4 of the way full, and drop the shotglass into the glass, then chug said mixture. |
| 18:09.54 | itimber | several players presenting... but nobody's going?!?! |
| 18:10.20 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty sure more than half of this channel is attending. |
| 18:10.27 | mindjuju | true that dataw0lf |
| 18:10.32 | itimber | oh, ok |
| 18:11.29 | dataw0lf | http://2008.utosc.com/speaker/97/ |
| 18:11.41 | _psychic_ | nice pout |
| 18:11.43 | dataw0lf | there's no other reason to go then have a glass of beer with that guy, though |
| 18:12.14 | dataw0lf | that isn't a pout, it's me looking at one of my programmers in mock shock after they told me they were going to use PHP for a new project. |
| 18:12.42 | _psychic_ | so it's basically you kissing python |
| 18:12.49 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, did you see Valve is hiring? |
| 18:13.31 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Naw. y'know I interviewed at Infinity Ward but they lowballed me. |
| 18:14.03 | mindjuju | didn't know that you interviewed there |
| 18:14.17 | mindjuju | could be cool if they let you in on the new games though, as a perk |
| 18:14.22 | dataw0lf | yea, sysadmin position but 68k a year in LA isn't my idea of moving up in the world. |
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| 18:19.30 | wps | is there anyone that enjoys this color scheme? |
| 18:19.30 | wps | http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/20/1446203&from=rss |
| 18:19.42 | wps | and even worse, reading white text on it? |
| 18:19.50 | dataw0lf | ugh |
| 18:20.13 | Berkut | When you scroll down to the comments, the background changes to white and I feel blinded. |
| 18:20.15 | herlo | dataw0lf: nice mug |
| 18:20.26 | herlo | dataw0lf: do you look that clean cut nowadays? :) |
| 18:21.32 | dataw0lf | I didn't shave today, I look like a hobo. |
| 18:21.38 | dataw0lf | my hair is slightly shorter. |
| 18:21.40 | dataw0lf | Stress on the slightly. |
| 18:21.55 | dataw0lf | http://www.truedat.org/media/hair.jpg |
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| 18:56.09 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you need to be playing a game where they have cool stuff like this - http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/sandvich.htm |
| 19:04.10 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 19:04.17 | SunSparc | nice link mindjuju |
| 19:04.26 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Do you play TF2? |
| 19:04.31 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:04.37 | mindjuju | you? |
| 19:05.02 | SunSparc | Absolutely! It is part of the requirements for working at RAIN |
| 19:05.11 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 19:05.13 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:05.21 | mindjuju | what role do you usually play? |
| 19:05.28 | DexterTheDragon | its been forever since I played TF2 |
| 19:05.31 | SunSparc | I really enjoy playing as Heavy |
| 19:05.36 | _psychic_ | TF2 is awesome |
| 19:06.17 | SunSparc | ~TF2++ |
| 19:06.45 | mindjuju | i'm still learning, so playing Engineer and Solider |
| 19:06.51 | mindjuju | though i do like sneaking around with the spy |
| 19:07.19 | SunSparc | They are all so different that it is worth it to play them all. So very well put together. |
| 19:07.28 | brasto | itimber: i thought up another good one for a t-shirt |
| 19:07.48 | brasto | 2b || !2b ? |
| 19:08.30 | mindjuju | SunSparc, DexterTheDragon, _psychic_ , we should see about playing on the same server |
| 19:08.43 | SunSparc | Totally. |
| 19:08.59 | _psychic_ | I'm down |
| 19:09.08 | dataw0lf | pffft. CoD 4 > * |
| 19:09.18 | DexterTheDragon | brasto: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/itdepartment/57f0/ ? |
| 19:09.25 | SunSparc | We are thinking of setting up a game server here at work for all our favorite games, including TF2 and CoD4 |
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| 19:09.56 | brasto | cool, DexterTheDragon |
| 19:10.10 | mindjuju | SunSparc - keep me posted on that, would be very interested |
| 19:10.35 | SunSparc | mindjuju: will do |
| 19:10.46 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: I like that shirt. Added it to my wishlist |
| 19:11.03 | mindjuju | i've got one better on that shirt - http://www.coloroverload.com/10-coolest-chuck-norris-t-shirts-ever/ |
| 19:12.00 | brasto | wps, can you send an email with your Thawte sig to bms at mscis.org ? I noticed I have your pub key, and I want to figure out why I can't decrypt SunSparc's emails anymore. |
| 19:12.11 | beandog | mindjuju, awesome |
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| 19:12.38 | wps | done |
| 19:12.42 | brasto | I'll reply with my sig, then you can send me an encrypted message. |
| 19:12.49 | brasto | 'preciate your help wps |
| 19:13.42 | brasto | sent my signed reply, wps |
| 19:13.58 | SunSparc | ~chuck |
| 19:13.58 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, chuck is the freebsd daemon |
| 19:14.13 | SunSparc | ~chucknorris |
| 19:14.14 | jbot | Chuck Norris moves at two speeds: Walk and kill. |
| 19:14.16 | DexterTheDragon | ~chuckfact |
| 19:14.17 | jbot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 19:14.32 | SunSparc | jbot chucknorris is also http://www.coloroverload.com/10-coolest-chuck-norris-t-shirts-ever/ |
| 19:14.33 | jbot | ACTION wheel kicks is also http://www.coloroverload.com/10-coolest-chuck-norris-t-shirts-ever/ |
| 19:14.59 | SunSparc | ~chucknorris jbot |
| 19:15.00 | jbot | ACTION wheel kicks jbot |
| 19:15.10 | brasto | cool, i didn't know about that one... |
| 19:15.18 | brasto | ~chucknorris SunSparc |
| 19:15.19 | jbot | ACTION wheel kicks SunSparc |
| 19:15.28 | SunSparc | Hey! |
| 19:15.30 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:17.18 | brasto | interesting, i can decrypt the one from wps, but not SunSparc |
| 19:17.41 | SunSparc | wps: What kind of key are you using to encrypt your messages? |
| 19:17.52 | SunSparc | and are you using Apple Mail? |
| 19:17.52 | brasto | SunSparc: perchance are you using my old sig when sending the encrypted email? |
| 19:18.31 | SunSparc | Dunno. |
| 19:18.40 | SunSparc | brasto: I think I deleted your old one... |
| 19:18.49 | brasto | interesting... |
| 19:18.52 | itimber | brasto: LOVE IT!!! |
| 19:19.17 | brasto | tx itimber |
| 19:19.30 | SunSparc | Hmm, I had two of them. I just deleted both. Send it again brasto. |
| 19:20.41 | brasto | done, SunSparc |
| 19:21.43 | SunSparc | Got it, replied encrypted |
| 19:22.04 | brasto | yay! i can read it! |
| 19:22.24 | brasto | should have tried that a long while ago... |
| 19:22.32 | SunSparc | Woot!! |
| 19:22.34 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:22.39 | SunSparc | That must have been it. |
| 19:22.44 | SunSparc | Right on. |
| 19:25.03 | SunSparc | brasto: Ok, sent you the info. |
| 19:26.31 | brasto | jk |
| 19:26.48 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 19:26.56 | SunSparc | It happens. |
| 19:27.04 | brasto | i actually saw it recently |
| 19:27.10 | SunSparc | Scary |
| 19:27.11 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:32.03 | SunSparc | That j-dawg made my tummy nice and warm... |
| 19:33.28 | dataw0lf | I had a burrito that tasted like smiles and sunshine wrapped in a tortilla |
| 19:34.33 | beandog | mine tasted like orphans and librarians |
| 19:34.45 | SunSparc | beandog: ewww |
| 19:34.53 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: that sounds heavenly |
| 19:34.55 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:36.19 | dataw0lf | I dunno orphans are pretty tasty if you use the right spices. |
| 19:36.27 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:36.37 | SunSparc | something strong |
| 19:36.41 | SunSparc | Try some curry |
| 19:37.09 | SunSparc | Hmmm, I love a good curry wurst... |
| 19:37.22 | SunSparc | Mit pomme fritz |
| 19:37.29 | SunSparc | Und senf |
| 19:52.17 | mindjuju | so, has anybody tested the difference in render / dislay between safari for mac and safari for winders? |
| 19:52.30 | beandog | safari on windows looks horrible. |
| 19:52.39 | beandog | can you disable the custom skin? |
| 19:53.10 | mindjuju | well, not really arguing how safari itself looks, but rather do sites render differently between safari for winders and safari for mac? |
| 19:53.15 | wps | beandog: are you referring to the app or it's rendering abilities? |
| 19:53.36 | beandog | wps, uh |
| 19:53.40 | beandog | wps, oh, the app. |
| 19:53.45 | beandog | webpages look fine. |
| 19:54.25 | wps | mindjuju, I have never used Safari on Winders, but it should be identical to Safari on Mac since they both use the same rendering engine |
| 19:54.28 | wps | (Webkit) |
| 19:54.36 | wps | the only difference might be font antialiacing |
| 19:54.39 | beandog | KHTML! |
| 19:54.40 | beandog | whee! |
| 19:54.44 | wps | I don't know if Safari is using the system antialiasing or it's own |
| 19:55.06 | wps | hopefully it's using it's own as antialiasing on Winders sucks |
| 19:55.33 | mindjuju | k, cause i got an absolute looser on my case arguing that menuing systems for web pages should be in images because there is a chance that it won't render right in Safari |
| 19:55.54 | wps | tell him he's an idiot |
| 19:55.57 | mindjuju | and he has proceeded to create something using straight up dreamweave using old skool JS code and a billion sliced images |
| 19:56.04 | beandog | oh gosh. |
| 19:56.15 | beandog | ur doin it wrong |
| 19:58.10 | mindjuju | i'd show you guys a comparative of his code v my code, but i'm too embarrassed by the design that the GD submitted and that I had to code off of. |
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| 20:30.07 | beandog | okay |
| 20:30.13 | beandog | now heres an interesting script question |
| 20:30.27 | beandog | how would you see what extensions are used in a folder |
| 20:30.33 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:30.41 | beandog | compile a list using find, or something |
| 20:30.57 | beandog | you would have to parse the filename of each file. |
| 20:30.59 | beandog | poop. |
| 20:33.06 | mindjuju | i wonder if fungus or dexterthedragon may know of an easy way |
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| 20:36.52 | mindjuju | sup bwelker - you listening to breaks @di.fm ? |
| 20:36.54 | mindjuju | it's good |
| 20:37.00 | beandog | http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/area_woman_will_see_any |
| 20:37.16 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: will you take a Python script? |
| 20:38.12 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, that was actually a beandog question |
| 20:38.18 | beandog | dataw0lf, yah |
| 20:38.40 | mindjuju | dude, my new years reso HAS TO BE learn python |
| 20:38.49 | mindjuju | i keep on putting it off |
| 20:38.53 | dataw0lf | beandog: so do you want a count of each extension, or what? |
| 20:38.55 | herlo | mindjuju: it will be worth it! |
| 20:39.08 | dataw0lf | like : .html[4], .pl[7], .py[8] or something? |
| 20:39.11 | beandog | dataw0lf, no, just a uniq |
| 20:39.22 | dataw0lf | gotcha, eine moment |
| 20:45.12 | thebigdog | beandog, you ready for this |
| 20:45.19 | beandog | yah |
| 20:45.33 | thebigdog | k |
| 20:45.59 | thebigdog | find <dir> | awk -F. '{ print $NF }' | sort | uniq -c |
| 20:46.28 | thebigdog | it might blow up if you have a . in the dir name |
| 20:46.50 | beandog | just slap on -type f to find |
| 20:47.07 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 20:47.14 | beandog | thebigdog, that is awesome |
| 20:47.20 | thebigdog | i had some false positives...but im not sure if it is cygwin |
| 20:47.22 | dataw0lf | damn it |
| 20:47.55 | thebigdog | yeah awk is awesome |
| 20:48.11 | thebigdog | who else did i help out with awk |
| 20:48.24 | mindjuju | ~apb synic |
| 20:48.25 | jbot | ACTION calls baby Lyssa to stake out synic |
| 20:48.29 | beandog | there is a lot of false positives though |
| 20:48.30 | beandog | meh |
| 20:48.51 | beandog | maybe if I adjust find |
| 20:49.24 | thebigdog | yeah that is what i noticed...on the dirs |
| 20:49.47 | dataw0lf | beandog: http://www.truedat.org/media/fileext.txt |
| 20:50.27 | dataw0lf | now to fix whatever weird issues my static media server is having |
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| 20:50.46 | beandog | dataw0lf, IndexError: list index out of range |
| 20:50.47 | beandog | :C |
| 20:50.48 | dataw0lf | beandog: P.S., that script takes the directory to check as it's argument |
| 20:50.53 | beandog | oh |
| 20:51.00 | beandog | wow thas fast. |
| 20:51.05 | dataw0lf | yea, sorry about that, give it the directory as the argument, I didn't put any argument exception handling |
| 20:51.19 | thebigdog | beandog, are you getting false ones with -type f |
| 20:51.36 | beandog | thebigdog, not sure, I added on -name '*.*' but its still returning some odd results |
| 20:51.48 | thebigdog | find <dir> -type f |
| 20:52.01 | thebigdog | that should be good |
| 20:52.04 | beandog | find . -type f -name '*.*' | awk -F. '{ print $NF }' | sort | uniq -c |
| 20:54.00 | thebigdog | yeah having that type of search might be too much |
| 20:58.53 | bwelker | woot to mindjuju for the DI breaks |
| 20:59.26 | thebigdog | beandog, you will need to be very selective on the find |
| 20:59.38 | thebigdog | especially with hidden files |
| 21:05.08 | beandog | yah |
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| 21:07.29 | dataw0lf | beandog: oh, did you want a recursive version? |
| 21:08.23 | beandog | dataw0lf, yah, but that's fine, thebigdog's works good, I just needed a one time look |
| 21:10.11 | mindjuju | ~apb tierra |
| 21:10.12 | jbot | ACTION calls Duane Lee to spray mace at tierra |
| 21:11.03 | dataw0lf | beandog: truedat.org/media/fileext.txt |
| 21:11.04 | dataw0lf | oh, durn |
| 21:11.54 | beandog | thanks though |
| 21:11.56 | beandog | :) |
| 21:17.28 | thebigdog | open with care - http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2008/08/14/does-this-distro-make-me-look-fat/ |
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| 21:26.52 | orsonj | find . -type f -execdir echo '{}' \; | ... |
| 21:27.23 | orsonj | might simplify things using that find |
| 21:29.37 | synic | mindjuju: what you want fool |
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| 22:06.20 | thebigdog | man it makes me mad that hosting companies still have php4 |
| 22:06.35 | mgeary | i don't mind them having it to support legacy apps |
| 22:06.48 | mgeary | but the HAVE to also provide php 5(.2 ideally) |
| 22:09.40 | burnin | depending on how much control you have over the apache config you could run php5 as a cgi script. |
| 22:10.56 | dataw0lf | ya, cuz 5 is so much better. |
| 22:11.32 | DexterTheDragon | dataw0lf: but but it has wannabe objects |
| 22:11.42 | dataw0lf | and wannabe namespaces and wannabe blah blah blah |
| 22:11.47 | thebigdog | i never said i love php though |
| 22:11.50 | mgeary | 5 is leaps better |
| 22:11.51 | DexterTheDragon | and and 5.3 will have wannabe namespaces |
| 22:11.52 | dataw0lf | the problem of course is that it's all patched on top of a nearly unusable system |
| 22:11.53 | burnin | isn't php4 EOL, no more updates or patches? |
| 22:11.59 | DexterTheDragon | and GOTO's |
| 22:12.01 | thebigdog | i dont think it has even wannabe namespace |
| 22:12.05 | dataw0lf | 5.3 does |
| 22:12.14 | dataw0lf | and now they're adding wannabe closures |
| 22:12.17 | dataw0lf | that look horrible |
| 22:12.21 | DexterTheDragon | and GOTO's |
| 22:12.23 | thebigdog | it has a cheap idea of them...but i think the implementation sucks |
| 22:12.28 | dataw0lf | how I spent one of my meetings: http://truedat.org/media/meeting.jpg |
| 22:13.04 | dataw0lf | listen, you don't add classes/objects without reverting the whole system. Same goes with namespaces. And closures. Etc, etc. |
| 22:13.26 | dataw0lf | you keep on piling on features without refactoring the core system and you end up with... well, PHP. |
| 22:13.36 | DexterTheDragon | and PERL 6 |
| 22:13.47 | dataw0lf | no kidding. |
| 22:14.04 | tierra | that reminds me, v0rtex showed me some C++ code the other day with GOTOs |
| 22:14.07 | tierra | heh |
| 22:14.23 | thebigdog | haha |
| 22:14.24 | tierra | I was just in shock |
| 22:14.44 | dataw0lf | tierra: what, he found some old Jared code? |
| 22:14.46 | dataw0lf | *rimshot* |
| 22:15.05 | tierra | hehe |
| 22:15.11 | tierra | not jared code |
| 22:18.45 | dataw0lf | *le sigh* |
| 22:19.23 | thebigdog | im waiting for php to add "COME FROM" |
| 22:19.28 | thebigdog | that will be nice for redirects |
| 22:20.06 | thebigdog | or for form submits |
| 22:20.43 | mgeary | i'd love someone to pay me to refactor a site from PHP into Django |
| 22:21.06 | thebigdog | i love refactoring php to html |
| 22:21.12 | thebigdog | that is awesoem |
| 22:21.14 | wps | thebigdog, you're looking for something more trustworthy than referrer? |
| 22:22.48 | thebigdog | i think im going to write an article like dijkstra's, titled "PHP namespaces considered harmful" |
| 22:23.02 | thebigdog | i cant remember if i spelled that guys name right |
| 22:47.13 | beandog | gotos |
| 22:47.41 | beandog | http://gadgets.boingboing.net/compile_error-thumb-520x262.png |
| 22:51.08 | beandog | http://shirt.woot.com/ |
| 22:51.10 | beandog | that is a cool shirt |
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| 22:57.00 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 22:57.02 | wps | check this out |
| 22:57.13 | wps | (warning: politically incorrect and gender insensitive) |
| 22:57.15 | wps | http://www.rei.com/outlet/search?search=Cycling+New+Arrivals&cat=22000040&hist=search%2CCycling+New+Arrivals%5Ecat%2C22000040%3ACar+Racks |
| 22:57.27 | wps | look at the breadcrumbs |
| 22:57.36 | wps | nice racks |
| 22:57.48 | beandog | heh |
| 22:58.02 | beandog | now we know what wps googles |
| 22:58.04 | wps | what's a t-shirt doing categorized under car racks |
| 22:58.32 | beandog | who knows |
| 23:14.27 | mgeary | hey, try this-- |
| 23:14.32 | mgeary | $classname = "Foo"; |
| 23:14.39 | mgeary | $classname::someStaticFunction(); |
| 23:14.46 | mgeary | that doesn't work. anyone know a workaround? |
| 23:14.54 | beandog | yes |
| 23:15.00 | beandog | classname::Function(); |
| 23:15.09 | beandog | oh |
| 23:15.09 | beandog | wait. |
| 23:15.20 | beandog | hush up. |
| 23:15.21 | beandog | :) |
| 23:15.38 | tierra | write a wrapper that returns a function pointer or something maybe |
| 23:15.41 | beandog | mgeary, try ${classname}:: |
| 23:15.48 | mgeary | that's the problem. this IS a wrapper |
| 23:16.00 | mgeary | nope |
| 23:16.01 | wps | iTimber is a rapper |
| 23:16.12 | beandog | make a temporary instance? |
| 23:16.23 | beandog | $tmp =& new $class; |
| 23:16.31 | beandog | $tmp->function |
| 23:16.47 | beandog | why do you need a wrapper to classes? |
| 23:17.02 | mgeary | it's a factory |
| 23:17.21 | tierra | use basic inheritance instead... if all classes have that static function, technically speaking they should all derive from the same base class with that static function |
| 23:18.15 | wps | how do I see if cron is currently running a script? |
| 23:18.31 | beandog | you mean if its running *right now* or if its scheduled to run? |
| 23:18.37 | wps | right now |
| 23:18.40 | beandog | ps |
| 23:18.50 | beandog | it'll dump out the script its running |
| 23:18.52 | pelaofeliz | mgeary -- I ran into that problem just yesterday |
| 23:19.00 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.00 | wps | 25050 pts/2 00:00:00 bash |
| 23:19.01 | wps | 25762 pts/2 00:00:00 ps |
| 23:19.06 | wps | what does that mena? |
| 23:19.07 | beandog | er, not ps, but use ps |
| 23:19.07 | wps | mean |
| 23:19.18 | beandog | ps auxf | grep foo |
| 23:19.37 | beandog | something like that |
| 23:20.44 | pelaofeliz | mgeary: you can use the 'call_user_func' function |
| 23:21.17 | pelaofeliz | alternatively, that error is fixed in php 5.3.0... |
| 23:25.05 | mgeary | yeah, pelaofeliz we just found that, though it requires 5.2.3 |
| 23:25.24 | mgeary | but that's alright |
| 23:29.19 | beandog | hmm, I wonder how old this water is |
| 23:33.08 | itimber | wps: LOL |
| 23:33.48 | itimber | yo, my name is iTimber, and I'm so cool, I'm a member of the UPHPU.... word up |
| 23:34.45 | beandog | wurd |
| 23:45.03 | itimber | I'm out.... later dawgs |
| 23:45.12 | wps | Timber! |
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