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03:37.10thebigdogevening all
03:38.04wpsgood evening, thebigdog
03:38.13thebigdoghows it going
03:38.22wpsexcellent
03:38.37wpsjust need more time
03:38.47wpsseems like the day is over so fast lately
03:43.11thebigdogyeah i hear ya on that
04:39.56wpsis there a way to say "is greater than __ but less than __" with just one operator?
04:40.34wpsa more simple way than:
04:40.50wpsif($var > 0 && $var < 5) {}
04:41.46wpslike a between
04:42.05wpsif($var between 0,5) {}
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05:04.40thebigdogthere is not
05:05.02thebigdogthere is $var <> 0 which is not equal
05:08.11thebigdogyou could probably do something with range
05:09.05thebigdogif(in_array($var,range(0,5)))
05:12.27thebigdogactually this if(in_array($var,range(1,4)))
05:12.36thebigdogthat should give you the right range
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16:40.54thebigdogwps did you get my response last night
16:41.10wpsI believe so
16:41.25wpsthat you agreed about not having enough tiem?
16:41.40thebigdogwith range
16:41.48wpsoh… the <> ?
16:41.56thebigdogyeah kinda
16:42.04wpsnot sure if I did then
16:42.11thebigdogif(in_array($var, range(1,4)))
16:42.45wpsI love it
16:42.48thebigdogthat is like if($var > 0 && $var < 5)
16:42.50wpsthanks
16:42.52wpsthat's exactly what I wanted
16:43.07thebigdoghowever, the one i showed you is slower
16:43.48thebigdogyou probably could set the range to a value first
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17:31.28mgearywell, alright. i guess i'm onboard with the iPhone
17:32.00mgearyseems like all my other options don't really have the flexibility that the iPhone does
17:35.17thebigdoggratz
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17:38.55fungusmgeary: the iPhone isn't the best option for flexibility.  If you really want flexibility look into a Blackberry or Windows Mobile.
17:39.29mgearypossibly so
17:39.31fungusiPhone beats others on other points like usability
17:39.50wpsBBs are a nightmare of complexity
17:39.54fungusJust consider what is important to you.
17:40.00funguswps is right
17:40.01SunSparcwhat flexibility are you not finding in the iPhone?
17:40.09fungusBBs are really complex, but quite flexible.
17:40.13wpsBB perl was the best phone I had had before my iPhone, but the iPhone is way better
17:40.16wpsless features is better
17:40.19wpssimplicity
17:40.38fungusExactly, so choice of phone depends on what is important to you.
17:40.44wpsyeah
17:41.07SunSparcWhat is important to me is being a complete Apple fanboy and Mac evangelist.
17:41.55funguslol, see different people have different priorities
17:42.15wpsI am only a fanboy as long as they produce the best products
17:42.27wpsas soon as there is something better, I will switch to that
17:43.30wpsyes, thebigdog, I really do
17:43.40thebigdogwps, well ty
17:43.44wps:)
17:44.04thebigdogmy razor is the best
17:46.28thebigdogfor wps
17:48.02thebigdogbeandog, i added a comment to your blog...i think you are the first person i have ever done that with...besides uphpu
17:48.06SunSparcthebigdog: your razor is the best  :)
17:48.43SunSparcWhat did beandog write to warrant such an amazing honor?
17:48.54thebigdogSunSparc, ill give you 2 guesses
17:49.01thebigdogim sure you can get it on the first one
17:49.01SunSparcHe wrote about you?
17:49.07thebigdoghehe...no
17:49.11thebigdogseriously
17:49.19SunSparcOH, he wrote about WoW
17:49.23thebigdogthere is like 1 thing i will always comment on
17:49.30thebigdog~whip SunSparc
17:49.31jbotACTION takes SunSparc outside to be thoroughly whipped by thebigdog
17:49.36SunSparclol
17:49.46thebigdogtechnology wise
17:49.52wpshttp://wordie.org/words/bean%20dog
17:49.56SunSparcI am just going down the list:  himself, WoW, Databases...
17:50.06thebigdogok 3 guesses for SunSparc
17:50.27thebigdogactually SunSparc i have given up wow
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17:50.39SunSparcthebigdog: Have you?
17:50.55SunSparcThey say, once an addict, always an addict, even if you give it up.
17:50.56thebigdogyep...too many kids play the game and the ruin it for me
17:51.10wpsthebigdog is an old fart
17:51.14SunSparcYeah, they should make a realm for old farts
17:51.18thebigdogwps, this is true
17:51.19wpscan't keep up with the kids anymore
17:51.45thebigdogthe problem i have is that i cant fix stupid
17:51.54wps$ssh_keys++;
17:53.15SunSparcɔɹɐdsuns
17:53.27thebigdogso SunSparc here is the list: me, postgresql, everything else, wps's iphone
17:53.38thebigdogups
17:53.50SunSparc:)
17:53.52SunSparcʇɔıppɐ ʍoʍ ɐ sı ƃopƃıqǝɥʇ
17:54.01thebigdogty
17:54.05wpsha ha ha
17:54.13SunSparcDid that come through as flipped and reversed?
17:54.19thebigdogyes
17:54.23SunSparcSweet!
17:54.30SunSparcFound that on beandog's blog.
17:54.49thebigdogbut im dyslexic so it is normal to me
17:55.17SunSparcComes in handy.  :)  Like knowing another language.
18:01.02SunSparc˙˙˙pǝsɹǝʌǝɹ puɐ pǝddılɟ sı ʇı ɟı ǝɯɐu sıɥ ʇɥƃılıɥ llıʍ ʇɐɥʇ ʇuǝılɔ ɐ sɐɥ oʇsɐɹq ɟı ɹǝpuoʍ ı
18:02.18DexterTheDragonsweeeet
18:02.32SunSparcʇǝǝǝǝʍs
18:02.47SunSparcYeah, it is pretty cool
18:02.57SunSparc~flip
18:02.58jbotACTION hey timinator, this is for you ..|.
18:03.08SunSparcHmm...
18:03.11SunSparc~reverse
18:03.23DexterTheDragon~reverse stuff
18:03.24SunSparcjbot reverse is http://www.revfad.com/flip.html
18:04.01SunSparcCool :)
18:04.16SunSparcjbot reverseflip is http://www.revfad.com/flip.html
18:04.16jbotokay, SunSparc
18:07.28SunSparcjbot, do you have a list we can see of all the things you are remembering?
18:07.28jbotyes, I have a list we can see of all the things you are remembering.
18:07.45SunSparcjbot, where is it?
18:07.47jbotSunSparc: I think you lost me on that one
18:07.50SunSparchehe
18:08.31SunSparcdb
18:46.51beandogSunSparc, what on my blog?
18:47.29beandogthebigdog, thanks man, and a helpful comment it is, thx
18:48.31SunSparcbeandog: the reverse flipper
18:48.36SunSparc~reverseflip
18:48.36jbotwell, reverseflip is http://www.revfad.com/flip.html
18:48.43SunSparcVery cool
18:49.47fungus~upsidedown reverseflip
18:50.56SunSparcWow, jbot can flip AND reverse?  Very cool
18:51.05SunSparcDexterTheDragon: only showed me the reverse
18:51.32SunSparcAnyway, I am out to visit a client.  bbl
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19:06.30thebigdogbeandog, np
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19:27.47mgeary~rlart
19:27.48jbotmoos at mgeary
19:27.53mgearywth?
19:27.57mgeary~rlart
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19:34.16mgeary~rlart
19:34.17jbotwhacks thebigdog upside the head
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20:36.59mgearyhey, does anyone have that terminal app for iPhone that was posted here a few days ago?
20:37.50wpshere is one: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=287269552&mt=8
20:38.02oldstermtap or something
20:40.59jsmithmgeary: Was it iTerm?
20:41.10jsmithThat's the one I prefer
20:43.55mgearyjsmith-lunch: i think so. got a link?
20:44.19jsmith-lunchmgeary: iterm.sf.net, I think
20:45.00mgearycool
20:45.23mgearyjsmith-lunch: you've got an iphone?
20:45.36jsmith-lunchmgeary: I wouldn't be caught dead with one
20:45.55jsmith-lunchmgeary: I'm a two-device kinda guy... a handy-dandy cell phone, and my Nokia n810 tablet
20:46.04SunSparcmgeary: I have that terminal app
20:46.05mgeary^^ "..that terminal app for iPhone"
20:46.17jsmith-lunchOh, for *iPHONE*
20:46.21jsmith-lunchSorry, missed that part
20:46.35jsmith-lunchI read "that terminal app for Mac"
20:47.26orsonjI have a (handful of) thumbdrive(s) and an analog wristwatch
20:48.33SunSparcorsonj: That works
20:50.17orsonj...but I'd like to add a Neo Freerunner to the mix
20:50.51orsonjI guess I have my $20 cellphone also
20:52.41wpshere's the other
20:52.42wpshttp://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=286623227&mt=8
20:53.25mgearyokay, so i have the actual phone now. the deed is done
20:53.43mgearyhas anyone tried working with multiple calendars on the iphone?
20:53.48wpsI have
20:53.53mgearyhow does that work?
20:53.53wpsworks wonderfully
20:54.11mgearycan you be more specific? i'm looking for technique, not reviews
20:54.16wpsthe only thing you need to know is that you cannot sync over-the-air AND through iTunes
20:54.29mgearyi've synched from my laptop, and i don't see any events or calendars coming through
20:54.47wpsyou can have multiple calendars, coming from multiple accounts, but only if they are both over-the-air accounts
20:54.58mgeary"over the air" ?
20:54.59wpsif you sync via iTunes, you can only have the calendars that are in iCal
20:55.16wpsover-the-air syncing options include Enterprise Exchange or MobileMe
20:55.16mgearyi don't mind using ical
20:55.26mgearyah. i've got MobileMe
20:55.26oldswhere's that irc log for this channel?
20:55.36wps~log
20:55.37jbotit has been said that log is as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation
20:55.39wps~uphpu_log
20:55.46wps~uphpu
20:55.47jbotsomebody said uphpu was Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org  Blootbot's favorite channel.
20:55.57mgearyaha
20:56.11mgeary"Your calendars are being pushed to your iphone over the air from Mobie Me"
20:56.24wpsjob, uphpu_logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/
20:56.35wpsjbot, uphpu_logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/
20:56.36jbotwps: okay
20:57.10wpsdo you have calendars and events already in iCal, mgeary?
20:57.14mgearyyes
20:57.29wpsdo you have MobileMe configured in the System Preferences on your laptop?
20:57.53mgearyah, i see
20:57.59wpsif you log into the MobileMe web calendar, do you see your calendars and events?
20:58.03mgeary<PROTECTED>
20:58.07wpsyes
20:58.47wpsonce you configure the preferences on your laptop, and it does a sync… log into the web app and confirm that the calendars and events are there
20:59.10mgearyso once i do that, is it possible to just view one (of several) calendars on the iphone?
20:59.11wpsonce you see them there, then make sure that calendars are enabled for your mobileme account on the iPhone (within the Mail, Contacts, and Calendars preference pane
20:59.16wpsyes
20:59.18mgearycool
20:59.29wpsyou can view a single calendar or all combine at once
20:59.45mgearyso do you know if it's possible to *create* a calendar on the iphone? or do you have to do that in ical?
20:59.47wpsApple did calendars very well on the iPhone (the only missing feature really is being able to invite people to new events you create)
20:59.55wpsyou cannot create a new calendar on the phone
21:00.00wpsbut you can add new events
21:00.01mgearyok
21:00.03mgearyrighto
21:00.16wpsyou have to create a new calendar via iCal or MobileMe Calendar (web app)
21:00.36wpsiPhone Mail app however needs some love
21:00.49wpsit's good, but is lacking some basic features
21:01.10wpssorting, filter, searching
21:01.59wpsit's a very difficult task… keeping things simple while adding features… and I will always do without extra features in favor of good UI and simplicity… but I am sure that future versions will get better as they continue to work on it
21:02.29wpsthe one thing I hope that they do is set up Mail just like calendars, where you can view individual accounts or all combined (as you can with Mail.app)
21:02.36wpsI like to view all my accounts combined
21:02.40mgearyurgh. i hate that
21:02.49wpsI generally don't care what account it came from… I just want one big inbox
21:03.08mgearyi'm looking at 12 inboxes on my Mail right now
21:04.04wpsthat's why I _love_ Mail.app, because it allows you to do it that way… no other client I know does that… but the nice thing is that it doesn't force it… you have the choice: individual boxes or all together
21:04.49wpsI don't care is it's an email from my wife, my boss, or a mailing list… I want it immediately
21:11.14beandogthunderbird does that
21:11.39beandogI like it that way, too
21:11.43beandogthat's what filters are for
21:11.46wpsreally? last time I checked I swear it didn't
21:12.04beandogwps, yah, you just dump it all on the Local Folders account
21:13.45wpsillustration: http://rafb.net/p/81Yqe732.html
21:14.20wpsand the nice thing is that you can select either line 3, and see all accounts inbox at once, or line 4 and see just accounts A's inbox
21:14.22orsonjah
21:15.24beandoghmm
21:15.27beandogokay, it cant do that
21:15.34beandogI dont think I'd want that anyway
21:15.45beandogI dont see why it would be helpful, I just use folders like orsonj was saying
21:15.50beandogfolders + filters
21:16.30orsonjwell, you can do it using search folders
21:16.31beandogI guess if you really wanted to, you could create filters and folders of just those accounts
21:16.39wpsit's helpful because I don't want to have to check multiple accounts, folders, views… I just leave line 3 selected all day long and all my mail comes in, regardless of what account it is sent to
21:17.16orsonjexcept it won't work if you were bcc'd
21:17.49beandogwps, eh, but your illustration makes it look like there are 3 folders / accounts view
21:18.02beandogwps, so if youre talking about *one* folder, than yah, thats what the Local Folders thing does
21:18.06orsonjbut you can have a main folder with all, and search subfolders that show only mail to each separate address
21:20.08SunSparcHere is an example of how Mail does it: http://screencast.com/t/xQifcNUNSdM
21:24.39beandogthat actually looks kind of annoying
21:24.41beandogheh
21:25.24orsonjThunderbird style -> http://picasaweb.google.com/orsonj/Temp/photo#5233745380815874978
21:27.49orsonjI can see the appeal
21:30.27orsonjhowever the search bar at the top usually satisfies my needs
21:33.08mgearyany postfix users here? i'm trying to troubleshoot something
21:34.51wpshere's how mine works: http://screencast.com/t/kNXKK64j
21:37.00SunSparcGood demo wps.  Thanks for introducing me to Jing.  It rocks!
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21:41.37Jacob_KerrTook on a full time development position in windows based environment sigh, now I'm learning WPF and XAML and it's a bunch of BS..
21:42.11mgeary~console josephscott
21:42.11jbotACTION gives josephscott the consolation moose
21:42.13mgearyoh wait
21:42.19mgeary~console Jacob_Kerr
21:42.19jbotACTION gives Jacob_Kerr the consolation moose
21:42.24Jacob_KerrLOL
21:43.41mgearyseriously
21:43.53beandoger
21:43.53mgearybut you've gotta feed your familly
21:43.55SunSparclol
21:43.57beandogin Windows based envs too.
21:44.06mgeary~freudian slip beandog
21:44.39Jacob_KerrWell I like to be well rounded..
21:44.54Jacob_KerrI started with C# a long time ago and thing I can get this junk down...
21:45.22Jacob_Kerrbut it's a pain compared to anything in LAMP...
21:49.51beandogless see
21:49.54beandogwindows, iis, mysql, php
21:50.04beandoghmm
21:50.05beandog:)
21:50.10SunSparclol
21:50.16SunSparcI like it.
21:50.18SunSparcWIMP
21:50.24SunSparcCould not have planned it better.
21:58.57wpsI won't accept a job if they won't let me work on a Macintosh
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22:02.25tierraI won't accept a job that forces me to work on a Macintosh
22:02.34Jacob_KerrMan I hate talking to the guys in the C# room..
22:02.43wpsdo those exist, tierra?
22:02.50wps:)
22:03.16Jacob_KerrLOL
22:03.31tierraeven though I kind of do already have that job, though the primary box I work on is Windows
22:05.05jsmithHow's that for mixing things up?
22:05.28wpsexcellent
22:05.48jsmithWorks well for me!
22:05.49wpsI don't care what you run as long as it isn't microsoft windows
22:05.55jsmithIt's definitely not
22:06.07jsmithI haven't used a Windows box at work in almost ten years.
22:06.38wpssame
22:06.42jsmith(Irix and Linux and Solaris, but no stinkin' Windows)
22:09.51beandogIm the only one at work not using a Mac
22:09.56beandogand Im on Gentoo
22:09.59beandogno windows for you!
22:10.36wpsI'm just glad we finally got mindjuju off of IIS
22:10.53orsonjhear hear
22:10.58wpsthe world is a better place now
22:11.01beandogand onto crack
22:13.46beandogice cream crack
22:23.52Jacob_KerrLOL
22:51.27SunSparcGentlemen, I bid you all adieu.
22:55.18dataw0lfall of our dev teams are on Mac Pros, we just use Parallels for cross-browser compliance.
22:55.59dataw0lftwo X Servers for testing / staging, too.
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