| 00:01.43 | mgeary | okay, NOW you can slack off |
| 00:01.46 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 00:02.03 | swb | :) |
| 00:02.05 | swb | see ya |
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| 00:34.10 | thebigdog | whatz up all |
| 00:35.54 | herlo | thebigdog: hey |
| 00:36.09 | thebigdog | whatz up |
| 00:36.22 | herlo | nada, just hanging out waiting for a meeting at 7pm on irc |
| 00:40.23 | thebigdog | nice i just have some work to do |
| 00:40.26 | thebigdog | research really |
| 00:45.41 | herlo | what kind? |
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| 01:04.53 | thebigdog | marketing research |
| 01:16.18 | herlo | ugh |
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| 08:35.38 | romanov_ | Any university/college students present? |
| 09:04.54 | romanovic | any U of U students present |
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| 14:19.39 | beandog | is it too early for pudding? |
| 14:25.55 | mindjuju | not too early |
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| 14:35.23 | beandog | mindjuju, good morning then |
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| 14:35.33 | mindjuju | morning to you good sir |
| 14:35.52 | beandog | hows things going |
| 14:38.07 | mindjuju | meh |
| 14:38.13 | beandog | why meh |
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| 14:38.39 | mindjuju | the boss up and decided he's tech savvy enough to be making database calls and is making some pretty bad ones |
| 14:38.55 | mindjuju | he's been warned, but in the end, i'll have to clean up the mess |
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| 14:40.52 | mindjuju | how about you? |
| 14:41.19 | beandog | still job hunting |
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| 14:42.24 | beandog | I can't find anyone that uses postgres, which was my major wish list point |
| 14:42.35 | wps | can anyone here read japanese? |
| 14:42.58 | wps | thebigdog uses postgres |
| 14:44.00 | beandog | thebigdog, you hiring? |
| 14:44.01 | beandog | :) |
| 14:44.46 | mindjuju | beandog, it's before 11a, he's prolly still sleeping or golfing |
| 14:45.01 | beandog | ah well |
| 14:45.29 | beandog | mindjuju, I had a similiar situation once, except kind of in reverse |
| 14:46.11 | beandog | I had a boss who *thought* he knew everything about databases, and would act as DBA, and anytime we'd try to do anything that he didn't understand, he'd freak out and want us to explain it to him. It was an uphill battle. |
| 14:46.30 | beandog | mindjuju, and Im not talking about complex stuff either... I mean like, using indexes. |
| 14:47.14 | beandog | I remember trying to explain to him how it would dramatically increase the load time, but he wouldn't believe us. |
| 14:47.25 | beandog | That job eventually gave me an ulcer (seriously) and I quot |
| 14:47.26 | beandog | quit |
| 14:47.52 | mindjuju | yeah, things are sadly fast approaching that threshold |
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| 14:49.46 | beandog | mindjuju, sorry man |
| 14:51.50 | mindjuju | well, i'm building out my Plan B |
| 14:52.07 | beandog | what's that |
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| 14:53.05 | mindjuju | same thing you're doing |
| 14:53.08 | mindjuju | looking |
| 14:54.08 | beandog | ah |
| 14:54.10 | beandog | ok |
| 14:54.41 | beandog | mindjuju, what area |
| 14:54.46 | beandog | like, in utah |
| 14:55.52 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm flexible |
| 14:56.06 | beandog | where do you live at |
| 14:56.22 | mindjuju | draper, possibly SLC if on bus route, or Spanish Fork to the south, live in Orem |
| 14:57.20 | beandog | ok |
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| 15:11.45 | romanovic | when are they going to build that frontrunner southwards? |
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| 15:24.31 | beandog | soon, I think |
| 15:24.39 | beandog | mgeary, you hiring? |
| 15:24.40 | beandog | :) |
| 15:24.46 | mgeary | morning |
| 15:24.53 | mgeary | uh, well yes |
| 15:24.59 | mgeary | but not php programmers |
| 15:25.20 | beandog | waitresses? |
| 15:25.35 | mgeary | masseuses |
| 15:26.15 | mgeary | actually, we're looking for production designers/html/css people. Pretty close to entry-level |
| 15:26.30 | beandog | oh okay |
| 15:27.27 | beandog | mindjuju and I are job hunting |
| 15:27.45 | beandog | I hear he gives a great massage |
| 15:28.19 | mgeary | gotta be a masseuse |
| 15:28.24 | beandog | ah |
| 15:28.24 | mgeary | hrm |
| 15:28.35 | mgeary | yes, that's right. just checked my terminology |
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| 15:45.23 | mgeary | i love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjXqfvLu28 |
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| 15:49.21 | timinator | mornin' guys |
| 15:49.24 | bwelker | s/Waht/What/ |
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| 15:54.03 | beandog | timinator, what are you talking about, its quitting time |
| 15:54.06 | beandog | did you sleep in again? |
| 15:54.16 | timinator | LOL |
| 15:54.19 | timinator | no |
| 15:54.20 | mgeary | oh, come on beandog, timinator works at least 2, 3 hours a day |
| 15:54.30 | timinator | ya.... most days at least |
| 15:54.37 | josephscott | ping macnewbold |
| 15:54.38 | timinator | :) |
| 15:54.50 | macnewbold | pong josephscott |
| 15:55.00 | macnewbold | g'day! |
| 15:55.13 | josephscott | macnewbold: any chance I can work from your office tomorrow? |
| 15:55.23 | macnewbold | sure, I don't see why not |
| 15:55.34 | macnewbold | wanna carpool? |
| 15:55.44 | josephscott | definitely |
| 15:56.29 | josephscott | what time are you heading in? |
| 15:57.28 | DexterTheDragon | before the crack of dawn |
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| 16:12.47 | jelly-bean | what are the ut linux user group channels on freenode |
| 16:13.02 | mgeary | #utah |
| 16:13.03 | jelly-bean | i need someone to help setup a *nix web server cluster on contract |
| 16:15.02 | beandog | that would be fun |
| 16:15.09 | jelly-bean | can you recommend anyone? |
| 16:15.45 | beandog | uh, I dont really know everyones skill set |
| 16:16.10 | beandog | I'd rcommend posting to uphpu-jobs mailing list tho |
| 16:16.50 | beandog | http://uphpu.org/mailman/listinfo/uphpu-jobs |
| 16:18.27 | SunSparc | jelly-bean: you can rent a cluster |
| 16:19.54 | mindjuju | jelly-bean - fungus on this channel has that skillset |
| 16:20.02 | mindjuju | but not sure if he does contracts |
| 16:21.01 | jelly-bean | ya just trying to refer someone for my client |
| 16:23.03 | jelly-bean | thn all |
| 16:23.07 | jelly-bean | thnx all :) |
| 16:25.11 | SunSparc | I recently learned about Joyent servers. They seem pretty good. |
| 16:25.40 | SunSparc | Although they run SunOS which is patently different just because it can be. |
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| 17:56.03 | Paldimo | ~praise thebigdog |
| 17:56.04 | jbot | All hail thebigdog! |
| 17:56.12 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 17:56.19 | thebigdog | beandog, you looking for a new job? |
| 17:56.53 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: we use Joyent. good stuff. |
| 17:57.03 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: You like it then? |
| 17:57.15 | SunSparc | Good to hear |
| 17:57.29 | SunSparc | We have a client that chose it. |
| 17:57.32 | SunSparc | So far so good. |
| 17:58.15 | dataw0lf | I'm not a huge fan of Solaris, but my fellow senior engineer is and he runs most of his teams' apps on Joyent servers. |
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| 18:00.47 | SunSparc | I started on Solaris/SunOS so I am familiar with it, but I have come to love BSD flavors better. Although Joyent seems to have mitigated familiarity issues by having standard gnu app available. |
| 18:05.32 | beandog | thebigdog, yah |
| 18:05.56 | SunSparc | ~hex thebigdog |
| 18:05.56 | jbot | thebigdog is 74 68 65 62 69 67 64 6F 67 |
| 18:06.01 | thebigdog | where you working now...some medical place right? |
| 18:07.10 | beandog | medical? |
| 18:07.11 | beandog | heh |
| 18:07.11 | beandog | no |
| 18:11.31 | Paldimo | ~vista thebigdog |
| 18:11.32 | jbot | ACTION installs vista on thebigdog's computer and then insists that every program, file and even email have proper DRM, immediately permanently locking the computer the first time non-DRM spam arrives |
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| 18:11.57 | thebigdog | redroy_, you around? |
| 18:12.00 | wps | will someone try loading blogs.omniture.com for me? |
| 18:12.10 | redroy_ | I am |
| 18:12.18 | SunSparc | wps: Worked for me |
| 18:12.22 | wps | thanks |
| 18:15.39 | wps | there is never enough candy around |
| 18:16.06 | mindjuju | ~give wps a twix |
| 18:16.07 | jbot | ACTION gives a twix to wps |
| 18:16.24 | wps | dang, a Twix sounds perfect right now |
| 18:16.38 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 18:34.12 | Jacob_Kerr | How many of you guys are using stored procedures with PHP5 and MySQL 5? |
| 18:34.23 | mgeary | i've done a wee bit |
| 18:34.32 | SunSparc | Yes, my procedures are all stored in PHP5. |
| 18:35.02 | Jacob_Kerr | I have an interview today and in the job description there's stored procedures :( I have not done any but I am looking at it and it does not look to complex.. |
| 18:35.09 | mgeary | it's not bad |
| 18:35.16 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 18:35.23 | mgeary | though they certainly can get complex |
| 18:35.23 | mindjuju | i do stored procedures, but in MS SQL |
| 18:35.44 | mindjuju | if you bring thebigdog into the conversation, he's a big advocate of them |
| 18:35.46 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah MySQL just started allowing stored procedures right.. |
| 18:35.53 | mindjuju | yup, since v 5 |
| 18:35.57 | beandog | storedprocs++ |
| 18:36.00 | beandog | super fast. |
| 18:36.05 | herlo | mindjuju: do you have access to the uphpu logo? |
| 18:36.07 | Jacob_Kerr | Sweet. |
| 18:36.10 | beandog | especially when you write queries longer than your arm. |
| 18:36.16 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL.. |
| 18:36.19 | herlo | beandog: that's long! |
| 18:36.19 | Jacob_Kerr | I can see why.. |
| 18:36.25 | dataw0lf | my arm is tiny. :\ |
| 18:37.33 | Jacob_Kerr | If I write a stored procedure and execute the query can I access that procedure later as long as I do not close the connection, so it stays on the server until I close the connection right? |
| 18:37.50 | mgeary | no, it stays forever, until you remove it |
| 18:37.56 | Jacob_Kerr | Wow.. |
| 18:37.57 | dataw0lf | ... "stored" procedures. |
| 18:38.04 | beandog | Jacob_Kerr, think of it as a function |
| 18:38.05 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah I thought it was temp. |
| 18:38.11 | beandog | so instead of select trim($str); |
| 18:38.16 | beandog | you do select some_func($str); |
| 18:38.19 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah I c the code and could prob write one right now.. |
| 18:38.24 | beandog | did I mention that postgres lets you overload functions? |
| 18:38.26 | beandog | postgres++ |
| 18:38.52 | dataw0lf | beandog: indeed. so does Oracle. |
| 18:39.10 | beandog | dataw0lf, yah? that is an awesome feature. |
| 18:39.11 | mindjuju | Jacob_Kerr - several reasons why you'd want to, including stored procs offer security in that you can give somebody access to a stored proc, and not access to the underlying tables |
| 18:39.14 | mindjuju | and return data to them |
| 18:39.19 | Jacob_Kerr | Anyone familiar with Datamark? |
| 18:39.26 | dataw0lf | beandog: any db with a proper PL/SQL implementation should allow you to do it. |
| 18:39.27 | mindjuju | also, they run faster than ad hoc |
| 18:39.41 | Jacob_Kerr | Nice. |
| 18:39.43 | beandog | like views |
| 18:39.53 | beandog | views is another great way to obscure the data |
| 18:39.57 | beandog | and use permissions, etc |
| 18:41.18 | Jacob_Kerr | Looks like I have a lot to learn :) |
| 18:43.08 | Jacob_Kerr | I have a phone interview with DataMark tom., wish me luck :) and I am going into meet with Agency Fusion in about an hour anyone know anything about those two firms? |
| 18:43.44 | Jacob_Kerr | both in SLC. |
| 19:30.55 | dataw0lf | I want one of those tire gauges the RNC is handing out. |
| 19:31.22 | mgeary | did you see Olberman's commentary on that? |
| 19:31.24 | _psychic_ | I'd like to see how far I can drill with it. |
| 19:33.12 | dataw0lf | mgeary: No. But I find it hilarious. You'd think something like that would backfire considering that, y'know, inflating tires properly WOULD be more effective than offshore drilling (and, hey! you wouldn't have to wait 10 years for it either) but I'm always shocked that the GOP gets away with this stuff all the time. |
| 19:33.43 | dataw0lf | also looks like there's a possibility I'll be able to make UTOSC so we should organize a lunch or something. |
| 19:33.53 | mgeary | i love Obama's response on that. I posted the link this morning |
| 19:34.02 | dataw0lf | mgeary: link plz. |
| 19:34.15 | mgeary | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjXqfvLu28 |
| 19:34.19 | dataw0lf | danke sir |
| 19:36.48 | dataw0lf | ah yea. "pride in being ignorant". In-freaking-deed. |
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| 19:40.59 | wps | I'm so sick of hearing about the "energy crisis" |
| 19:41.15 | wps | run for your lives! we have almost used up all of the energy in the earth!!!! |
| 19:41.40 | dataw0lf | well |
| 19:41.44 | dataw0lf | oil isn't going to get any cheaper |
| 19:41.52 | dataw0lf | and all of our modern infrastructure is based around it |
| 19:42.02 | dataw0lf | including the way you get your food. Processing, delivery. All of that. |
| 19:42.03 | josephscott | you mean except for the past week when it went down :-) |
| 19:42.06 | wps | but that isn't because the earth is almost out of oil (in my opinion) |
| 19:42.17 | dataw0lf | So as oil exponentially grows in price, everything else will too |
| 19:42.30 | dataw0lf | josephscott: taking a small section of a larger trend as an example is rather ridiculous. |
| 19:42.57 | josephscott | what, doesn't your client show smily faces? |
| 19:43.11 | dataw0lf | no I have a filter that removes them |
| 19:43.12 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 19:43.16 | dataw0lf | I just typed a blank line |
| 19:44.17 | dataw0lf | wps: it's not about running out of oil. It's about it becoming prohibitively expensive and difficult to get. |
| 19:44.17 | josephscott | oil or no, global warming or no, I'd like to see cleaner air, have you looked at the air the valleys? It's awful |
| 19:44.35 | dataw0lf | I'm in Reno, but I remember. |
| 19:45.25 | dataw0lf | (plus the horrendous smoke we had in our valley earlier this summer - but that was from the California wildfires) |
| 19:46.33 | wps | I disagree, dataw0lf |
| 19:47.09 | wps | I believe that there is plenty of oil for many hundreds of years to come at least that isn't any less accessible than the oil we have been pumping for the past 100 hundred years |
| 19:47.24 | josephscott | I'm curious to know how you know that |
| 19:47.37 | wps | I don't know itâ¦Â but I believe it |
| 19:47.39 | dataw0lf | Yea. So am I. |
| 19:47.43 | dataw0lf | you believe it based on what? |
| 19:47.49 | mindjuju | well, could be those guys in North Dakota that just turned into millionaires |
| 19:47.54 | mindjuju | finding oil in their back yards |
| 19:48.01 | josephscott | the clampets? |
| 19:48.06 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 19:48.28 | olds | we need to use less oil, not find more of it |
| 19:48.32 | wps | there is a guy that worked on the oil fields in Alaska that says that there is at least 200 years worth of oil to run American there |
| 19:48.32 | olds | my .02 |
| 19:48.38 | mindjuju | USGS says there is more oil there than in Texas |
| 19:49.00 | mindjuju | olds, you have a strong point, too though |
| 19:49.14 | mindjuju | we should be searching |
| 19:49.35 | wps | and why anyone would be against offshore drilling (as long as you can't see the rigs from the shoreline) is beyond me |
| 19:49.48 | mindjuju | and being more efficient with the fuel we use |
| 19:50.04 | josephscott | wps: you ever been to beach that has had an oil spill? not pretty. |
| 19:50.21 | josephscott | and that's hardly limited to off short oil drilling |
| 19:50.23 | mgeary | if we could run everything on electricity, we'd have so many more options |
| 19:50.36 | mgeary | since electricity can be generated in a myriad of ways |
| 19:50.43 | wps | I think that making cars get 200 MPG is a better place to start improving things than trying to replace the entire infrastructure with a different fuel |
| 19:50.48 | dataw0lf | wps: The oil companies haven't even drilled nor explored most of the offshore land we've already given them. |
| 19:50.57 | dataw0lf | so why give them more until they've done that? |
| 19:51.06 | wps | and that is why gas is expensiveâ¦Â not because there isn't any |
| 19:51.06 | dataw0lf | Besides, 10 year turnaround. |
| 19:51.07 | josephscott | and haven't build a new refinery since what, 1974? |
| 19:51.13 | mgeary | as soon as a plug-in car that can go ~60mph and has a range of >200 miles becomes available for under 30k, i'm buying it |
| 19:51.26 | mgeary | rumors say next year will be the year |
| 19:51.26 | olds | why a range of >200 miles |
| 19:51.28 | josephscott | mgeary: wouldn't that depend on how much it costs as well? |
| 19:51.37 | mgeary | ^^ "under $30k" |
| 19:51.45 | josephscott | sorry, missed that part :-/ |
| 19:51.48 | mgeary | olds: so it's not just an "around town" car |
| 19:51.52 | dataw0lf | nuclear power + electric cars |
| 19:51.57 | dataw0lf | that's where it's at. |
| 19:52.01 | josephscott | mr fusion |
| 19:52.04 | mgeary | i'm still hoping for some breakthroughs in solar |
| 19:52.04 | wps | absolutely |
| 19:52.08 | olds | but you do 95% of your driving "around town" |
| 19:52.08 | wps | I think that that's great |
| 19:52.14 | wps | there are a lot better fuels than gas |
| 19:52.24 | wps | but I think that it's absoutely rediculous that our cars only get 25 MPG |
| 19:52.31 | mgeary | olds: that's true, but i cannot replace one of my existing cars in that context |
| 19:52.48 | mgeary | once i can hit ~200miles, i can ditch a 'normal' car |
| 19:52.53 | wps | there is a blue collar mechanic in Kansas that can double the hoursepower on a hummer and make it get 60 MPG with parts he gets from AutoZone |
| 19:53.11 | wps | why Detroit can't (read: won't) do that is completely beyond me |
| 19:53.25 | olds | they're in cahoots with the oil companies |
| 19:53.26 | josephscott | because people keep buying them the they are? |
| 19:53.32 | wps | the only thing that I can understand is if the oil guys are holding knives to their throats |
| 19:53.41 | dataw0lf | the oil guys are holding bags of cash at their throats |
| 19:53.50 | dataw0lf | much better than knives. |
| 19:53.57 | wps | because the gas mileage that my car gets does not affect how often I buy a new car |
| 19:54.24 | wps | you'd think that the car manufacturers would be trying as hard as they can to improve car mileages as it would help sales |
| 19:54.35 | josephscott | would it? |
| 19:54.38 | wps | (by-the-way, that mechanic in Kansas thing is real) |
| 19:55.00 | wps | absolutelyâ¦Â wouldn't you buy one car over another brand if it got 20 more MPG? |
| 19:55.20 | DexterTheDragon | wps: ask that to everyone who owns hummer and suv's |
| 19:55.21 | josephscott | depends on other factors |
| 19:55.39 | wps | ask what, DexterTheDragon ? |
| 19:55.46 | josephscott | my corolla gets nearly 40 on the free way |
| 19:55.48 | DexterTheDragon | 13:55 <@wps> absolutelyâ¦Â wouldn't you buy one car over another brand if it got 20 more MPG? |
| 19:55.48 | mindjuju | or PoeticIntensity and his Ford Super-Souped up Mustang ways |
| 19:55.58 | josephscott | but that doesn't make it replacement for my mini-van, which gets a lot less |
| 19:56.17 | wps | is your point that some people don't care about MPG, DexterTheDragon? |
| 19:56.22 | DexterTheDragon | yes |
| 19:56.29 | wps | kâ¦Â I follow you know |
| 19:56.30 | wps | now |
| 19:56.40 | wps | sure, there are people that don'tâ¦Â but that's changed a lot this past year |
| 19:56.42 | wps | most people do now |
| 19:56.42 | DexterTheDragon | by the shear number of poeple who will buy hummers and suvs |
| 19:56.45 | wps | SUV sales are in the toilet |
| 19:56.59 | DexterTheDragon | it only got there this year |
| 19:57.10 | wps | trueâ¦Â but we here |
| 19:57.12 | wps | people care now |
| 19:57.17 | josephscott | doesn't any one remember (or heard about) how basically this same thing played out the last time, in the 70s? |
| 19:57.33 | josephscott | this isn't new, we've been here before |
| 19:57.36 | DexterTheDragon | now ford is having to reset all their plants for fuel effienct cars and not suvs |
| 19:57.53 | wps | even back two years ago, if someone could buy an SUV that got 15 MPG and one that got 65 MPGâ¦Â people would buy the one with the better MPG |
| 19:57.54 | DexterTheDragon | which with ford a fuel efficient car is 25mpg |
| 19:58.02 | mindjuju | josephscott, different cause to get to the same point, solution or the effects may not be the same |
| 19:58.13 | mgeary | anyone know of a way to find out what level of compression a jpeg has? |
| 19:58.22 | olds | cars need to get 75mpg - 100mpg, not 30 or even 40 |
| 19:58.27 | wps | exactly |
| 19:58.32 | wps | and I honestly believe that they can |
| 19:58.38 | olds | yea |
| 19:58.41 | mgeary | but there's no reason for cars to not run on electricity |
| 19:58.41 | olds | cars will be smaller |
| 19:58.41 | wps | we have the technology |
| 19:58.42 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: this isn't the place for technical questions :P |
| 19:58.43 | mindjuju | mgeary - i think imagemagick has that functionality |
| 19:58.47 | josephscott | mindjuju: I hope the result is different, not sure how confident I am that it will be though |
| 19:58.55 | orsonj | I love the commercials that are saying, all our cars get 26mpg or better. (and my car gets better mileage than all the cars in the commercial) |
| 19:58.59 | wps | true, mgeary, but even if they aren'tâ¦Â we should be getting better gas mileage |
| 19:59.01 | mgeary | now airplanes, they've got a reason to run on fuel |
| 19:59.08 | wps | same, orsonj |
| 19:59.14 | mgeary | and it's hard to make plastics without petroleum |
| 19:59.16 | wps | my 1999 Honda Accord gets 35 MPG |
| 19:59.29 | wps | that's a ten year old car |
| 19:59.30 | olds | my 10 year old volvo that weighs as much as a small house gets 30mpg |
| 19:59.33 | mindjuju | So, now that we re talking about Obama energy plan and McCain tire gauges and Oil and Energy, let's talk about a REALLY important issue |
| 19:59.35 | mindjuju | Tasers! |
| 19:59.37 | wps | shouldn't 2009 models be getting 80 MPG? |
| 19:59.46 | wps | sheeshâ¦Â no |
| 19:59.52 | wps | it always come back to tasers |
| 19:59.57 | olds | don't tase me bro |
| 20:00.05 | orsonj | we need cars that run on tazers |
| 20:00.08 | josephscott | why, there's been no long term trend in cars to show that they are getting better milage |
| 20:00.17 | mindjuju | olds, have you seen that McHammer vid with the "don't tase me!" on Youtube? |
| 20:00.38 | DexterTheDragon | ~tase mindjuju |
| 20:01.03 | dataw0lf | yay! |
| 20:01.05 | DexterTheDragon | thats one we need |
| 20:01.19 | dataw0lf | both of my laptops were stolen (along with my D40), and my work is buying me a Mac Air. |
| 20:01.23 | olds | I have not |
| 20:01.24 | mindjuju | here is the link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc |
| 20:02.31 | mindjuju | it's sad, but in some kind of weird way, funny |
| 20:02.55 | wps | I hope that I can work for a company someday with a product that I am really excited about |
| 20:03.16 | thebigdog | wps, not again |
| 20:04.09 | wps | where is this truck going? |
| 20:04.26 | mindjuju | "lookin' for a new j0b" truck |
| 20:05.24 | mgeary | thebigdog is looking for a new job too? |
| 20:05.45 | thebigdog | aye |
| 20:06.21 | mindjuju | i think several are |
| 20:06.27 | mgeary | i thought you just GOT a new job, thebigdog |
| 20:06.50 | mindjuju | yeah, he's the CIO, but now he's ready for being the TopDawg, not just thebigdog or CIO |
| 20:07.13 | thebigdog | tru dat |
| 20:07.26 | mindjuju | his 2008 M3 BMW doesn't have the new car smell anymore |
| 20:07.28 | mindjuju | needs better |
| 20:07.30 | thebigdog | not as challenging as i anticipated |
| 20:07.42 | thebigdog | and the car issue |
| 20:10.11 | unum | I'd like to work for a company where I didn't think all of our clients were the the anti-christ |
| 20:10.46 | unum | of course they treat me well, and I have a lot of flexibility.... |
| 20:11.41 | mindjuju | curious statistics on Linux Bloat - http://www.leftmind.net/random/linuxbloat.jpg |
| 20:12.30 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:13.56 | josephscott | unum: where do you work? |
| 20:14.05 | mgeary | mindjuju: they should just do what restaurants do and rename their sizes, so today's M is yesterdays XL |
| 20:14.11 | unum | josephscott: venturedata |
| 20:14.30 | mindjuju | mgeary - true that |
| 20:15.22 | PoeticIntensity | I don't know about you guys, but I seriously doubt I'd enjoy driving as much if my car didn't sound the way it does. |
| 20:15.29 | PoeticIntensity | Electric cars don't make noise. |
| 20:15.56 | mgeary | that's what your ipod & speakers are for |
| 20:15.57 | PoeticIntensity | For people who drive because they want nothing more than to get from point A to point B, electricity is great. |
| 20:16.08 | mgeary | just get a "roaring motor" mp3 |
| 20:16.10 | PoeticIntensity | for people who *enjoy* driving, electricity just won't cut it. |
| 20:16.21 | PoeticIntensity | and besides.... |
| 20:16.38 | PoeticIntensity | I've been driving just like normal, and with my chip modification, my stang now gets 23 MPG average. |
| 20:16.44 | PoeticIntensity | not great, but not horrendous, either. |
| 20:16.49 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I'm probably going to be in Reno on business in a couple of weeks |
| 20:16.56 | PoeticIntensity | on the freeway I get 30-32 consistently. |
| 20:17.32 | PoeticIntensity | again.... most of this only applies to the muscle / sports car crowd, but just thought I'd chime in anyway.. |
| 20:18.14 | unum | they could do like they do with digitial cameras and add the sound for those who need it :) |
| 20:18.35 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 20:18.41 | PoeticIntensity | doubtful it'd be anywhere even close. |
| 20:19.08 | PoeticIntensity | I love the sound reverberating from the walls of an underpass when I rev it up... |
| 20:19.32 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: ah nice we should grab lunch or something. |
| 20:19.52 | Utah_Dave | that would be cool |
| 20:27.47 | josephscott | macnewbold: what time are you coming by tomorrow morning? |
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| 20:33.36 | thebigdog | anytime u want |
| 20:42.33 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: can you prod mac about what time he's heading into the office tomorrow morning |
| 20:44.05 | DexterTheDragon | josephscott: he says he's flexable. What time would you like? |
| 20:44.21 | josephscott | 8 ish is fine with me |
| 20:44.44 | DexterTheDragon | mac says ok |
| 20:44.47 | josephscott | thanks |
| 20:47.12 | orsonj | http://gizmodo.com/367944/fisker-karma-electric-car-to-blast-out-fake-engine-sounds-verdict-why |
| 20:48.30 | DexterTheDragon | thats awesome |
| 20:52.15 | DexterTheDragon | the comments are even better |
| 21:02.44 | Utah_Dave | DexterTheDragon: I liked this comment: I'd like to roll up somewhere with the car making the "Jetson's spaceship car" noise. "bebebebebebebebe" |
| 21:03.29 | DexterTheDragon | Utah_Dave: yeah or the tie-fighter one |
| 21:05.36 | Paldimo | I think the tie-fighter one would be pretty dang sweet! |
| 21:06.15 | Paldimo | but i want it to make the darth vader breathing noise when the doors open |
| 21:08.52 | macnewbold | josephscott: yeah, 8ish is fine, i'll give you a ring when I'm close |
| 21:09.01 | macnewbold | you have any preferences on getting home? |
| 21:09.08 | josephscott | in one piece |
| 21:09.18 | DexterTheDragon | high hopes |
| 21:09.20 | macnewbold | no problem |
| 21:09.36 | josephscott | no, nothing specific planned for tomorrow night |
| 21:09.40 | herlo | josephscott: when do we get another planning meeting for wordcamp?? |
| 21:09.46 | josephscott | 5:30pm ~ ish |
| 21:10.18 | herlo | josephscott: tonight? |
| 21:10.27 | macnewbold | that should be fine |
| 21:10.31 | josephscott | herlo: well, it's pretty much planned itself. Need to collect a few volunteers for specific tasks though |
| 21:10.49 | herlo | josephscott: not heard word one about it though... |
| 21:10.55 | josephscott | herlo: not unless we can plan and play basketball at the same time :-) |
| 21:11.17 | herlo | josephscott: oh hehe |
| 21:11.59 | josephscott | herlo: just about ready to open up sign ups, getting the speaker bio/blurbs details is lagging a little bit |
| 21:12.20 | josephscott | not everyone is prompt about sending them in :| |
| 21:12.24 | herlo | josephscott: you can use conman :) |
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| 21:12.42 | herlo | http://code.google.com/p/utos-conman |
| 21:13.07 | Utah_Dave | Paldimo: wait! not darth vader, have the door make a swoosh sound like when the doors on the Death Star |
| 21:13.23 | josephscott | http://utah.wordcamp.org/ |
| 21:13.36 | herlo | josephscott: I'd like to promote it a bit for you before UTOSC |
| 21:13.59 | Paldimo | Lol... I was actually planning on installing one of these on a delorian... |
| 21:14.10 | josephscott | thanks, mindjuju had asked about that as well, I think he's putting an ad/blurb on your stuff |
| 21:14.14 | herlo | josephscott: do you need more sponsors? I think a few of the ones I've got would love to help... |
| 21:14.24 | herlo | josephscott: oh, cool. Then I'll let him too it |
| 21:14.29 | herlo | s/oo/o/ |
| 21:14.37 | herlo | s/too/to/ |
| 21:14.53 | josephscott | I'm going to talk to a few more, I'm not looking for a long list, but I definitely want to go talk to bluehost |
| 21:15.06 | josephscott | see if I can get them to send some support/engineering folks to wordcamp |
| 21:15.39 | josephscott | as well as some financial support :-) |
| 21:16.07 | herlo | do you have prospectus/sponsorship documentation I can send? |
| 21:16.17 | herlo | we have about 20 sponsors now... |
| 21:16.56 | josephscott | no, I haven't really written anything up |
| 21:18.52 | herlo | josephscott: if you want help, check out http://dl.utosc.com/08/pdfs |
| 21:18.59 | josephscott | thanks |
| 21:21.01 | herlo | np, I want you guys to succeed. Also, if you have flyers, and would like ot advertise on our conference site, let me know soon... |
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| 21:36.31 | timinator | mgeary: I'm leaving :) |
| 21:36.36 | mgeary | of course you are |
| 21:36.38 | mgeary | ya bum |
| 21:36.39 | timinator | another half day |
| 21:36.41 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:36.57 | timinator | later guys |
| 21:50.45 | Jacob_Kerr | Muahahaha! :) |
| 21:51.00 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 21:51.00 | jbot | wallops DexterTheDragon with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 21:56.07 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart SunSparc |
| 21:56.07 | jbot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, SunSparc, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 21:56.22 | SunSparc | Yow! |
| 21:56.31 | DexterTheDragon | ~yow |
| 21:56.49 | herlo | ~noogie |
| 21:56.57 | mgeary | ~cookie |
| 21:57.24 | DexterTheDragon | ~rfc |
| 22:03.40 | herlo | ~noogie DexterTheDragon |
| 22:03.40 | jbot | ACTION puts DexterTheDragon into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of DexterTheDragon's hair off! |
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| 22:46.57 | influx^^_ | larp influx^^ |
| 22:47.01 | influx^^_ | whut |
| 22:47.21 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v influx^^] by ChanServ |
| 22:47.27 | SunSparc | larp? |
| 22:47.30 | SunSparc | ~larp |
| 22:47.30 | jbot | Live Action Role Playing |
| 22:47.38 | SunSparc | ~larp influx^^ |
| 22:48.38 | influx^^ | hmm |
| 22:48.39 | influx^^ | lart |
| 22:48.43 | influx^^ | ~lart influx^^ |
| 22:48.43 | jbot | shoves a crumpet down influx^^'s throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 22:49.06 | influx^^ | ~JAM |
| 22:49.06 | jbot | from memory, jam is a make replacement, see http://www.perforce.com/jam/jam.html |
| 22:50.25 | SunSparc | ~hex influx^^ |
| 22:50.25 | jbot | influx^^ is 69 6E 66 6C 75 78 5E 5E 20 |
| 22:50.51 | influx^^ | it burrrrns |
| 22:51.02 | SunSparc | ~hex SunSparc |
| 22:51.02 | jbot | SunSparc is 53 75 6E 53 70 61 72 63 |
| 22:51.10 | influx^^ | ~binary sunsparc |
| 22:51.14 | influx^^ | ~bin sunsparc |
| 22:51.17 | influx^^ | hrm |
| 22:51.36 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you back |
| 22:51.54 | influx^^ | binary = on/off 1/0 |
| 22:51.57 | influx^^ | hex = ? |
| 22:52.35 | thebigdog | influx^^, whatz up |
| 22:52.40 | thebigdog | ~ping mindjuju |
| 22:52.40 | jbot | pong mindjuju |
| 22:53.38 | influx^^ | thebigdog: A whole lot of nothing. Just had an epiphany, somewhat. Visual representation of binary = family tree, assuming two children per parent. |
| 22:53.41 | influx^^ | err |
| 22:53.48 | influx^^ | two somethings per family |
| 22:53.50 | mgeary | jeeze. "The median credit-card debt of low- and middle-income people aged 18 to 34 is $8,200" |
| 22:54.04 | thebigdog | sounds about right |
| 22:54.08 | mgeary | that's insane |
| 22:54.14 | thebigdog | actually i thought it was higher |
| 22:54.17 | thebigdog | like 10k or more |
| 22:54.33 | influx^^ | Nope. |
| 22:54.49 | thebigdog | whatz funny is how much debt some higher income people have |
| 22:55.11 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 22:55.21 | mgeary | credit card debt, you mean? |
| 22:55.26 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 22:55.28 | mgeary | 'cause home & car debt is different, in my book |
| 22:55.47 | SunSparc | Unless you have 10 homes and 20 cars. |
| 22:56.17 | orsonj | heh |
| 22:56.18 | thebigdog | i worked for convergys as a teen and i remember taking credit card apps for ccs for high income peeps |
| 22:56.36 | thebigdog | man they would roll credit onto it for zero interest and it was crazy |
| 22:56.58 | thebigdog | lawyers make 400k a year with 1 cc maxed at 125k |
| 22:57.16 | thebigdog | they just roll the balances around |
| 22:57.44 | thebigdog | im sure the ratio of income vs debt is lower |
| 22:57.52 | thebigdog | but still that is tons of money on a cc |
| 22:58.32 | SunSparc | rolling is only good if there is no transfer fee. |
| 22:58.42 | orsonj | yep, == no interest loan |
| 22:58.56 | SunSparc | A transfer fee on 125k would be substantial. |
| 22:59.12 | influx^^ | oi vey |
| 22:59.21 | influx^^ | my connection was choking on perls |
| 22:59.29 | influx^^ | #perl |
| 22:59.42 | orsonj | influx^^: were you talking about a binary tree a few minutes ago |
| 22:59.46 | influx^^ | orsonj: yes sir |
| 22:59.58 | orsonj | yes, family tree is a good visual |
| 23:00.29 | influx^^ | a good visual for hexadecimal then? |
| 23:00.48 | influx^^ | I counted more than six sets of characters from ~hex |
| 23:01.27 | influx^^ | hex-a-decimal. hex to decimal |
| 23:02.34 | orsonj | 0-9,A-F == 16 |
| 23:02.53 | influx^^ | A1 = 12 ? |
| 23:03.14 | orsonj | 17 |
| 23:03.20 | influx^^ | A = 10 |
| 23:03.35 | influx^^ | A0 = 10 |
| 23:04.11 | orsonj | 161 ? |
| 23:04.12 | influx^^ | a.b = x |
| 23:04.34 | influx^^ | using + as a concatenator: (a + b) = x |
| 23:04.36 | fungus | A0 = 160 |
| 23:05.28 | fungus | A = 10 |
| 23:05.43 | fungus | so to convert you multiply |
| 23:05.56 | fungus | 10*16 + 0*1 |
| 23:06.27 | influx^^ | 10*32 + 0*1 = B |
| 23:06.30 | influx^^ | ? |
| 23:06.43 | influx^^ | 10*32 + 0*1 = B0 |
| 23:06.45 | fungus | No, the multiplier is the position |
| 23:06.49 | influx^^ | ah |
| 23:07.01 | fungus | like 10 = 1*10 + 0*1 |
| 23:07.15 | fungus | B0 = 11*16 + 0*1 |
| 23:07.45 | influx^^ | 161 |
| 23:08.00 | fungus | ABC = 10*256 + 11*16 + 12*1 |
| 23:08.49 | fungus | Instead of thinking ones place, tens place, etc. You think ones place, 16s place, 256 place, etc |
| 23:09.21 | SunSparc | Night all!!! |
| 23:09.30 | fungus | B0 = 11*16 + 0*1 = 176 |
| 23:09.57 | fungus | 161 = A*16 + 1*1 = A1 |
| 23:10.29 | influx^^ | ok |
| 23:10.31 | influx^^ | so |
| 23:10.32 | fungus | Similar thinking to binary. |
| 23:10.46 | fungus | each position has a multiplier |
| 23:13.16 | influx^^ | something by which the group or number can be factored |
| 23:15.40 | fungus | This same approach can be applied to any base, including the rare alphanumeric base 36. |
| 23:17.10 | fungus | XY = 34*36 + 35*1 = 1259 |
| 23:18.04 | influx^^ | hooray |
| 23:18.29 | influx^^ | wait |
| 23:19.42 | influx^^ | Now I'm wanting to assign a number to each letter for base 36 |
| 23:19.48 | influx^^ | alpha numeric |
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| 23:20.25 | influx^^ | Alright. I need to stop. |
| 23:20.27 | fungus | 0-9A-Z |
| 23:20.32 | fungus | lol, lots of fun |
| 23:20.35 | influx^^ | hehehe |
| 23:20.56 | influx^^ | thanks fungus |
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