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| 00:25.28 | valarkin | hello everyone. |
| 00:45.31 | macnewbold | hi valarkin |
| 01:19.45 | mindjuju | wow everybody is gone |
| 01:33.24 | mindjuju | wordpress, i stab at thee! |
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| 01:40.56 | thebigdog | evening all |
| 01:42.25 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 01:42.30 | mindjuju | want to help me stab wordpress |
| 01:42.34 | thebigdog | not much just finishing up some work |
| 01:42.40 | thebigdog | hehe sure |
| 01:42.50 | thebigdog | brb |
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| 01:44.43 | mindjuju | To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee. |
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| 01:45.13 | wps | what's your beef, mindjuju ? |
| 01:45.18 | wps | and, did you get my email? |
| 01:45.33 | mindjuju | i did, i'm really excited about it! |
| 01:45.38 | mindjuju | let's do it in Sept |
| 01:45.41 | wps | should I tell him yes? |
| 01:45.48 | mindjuju | yup |
| 01:45.57 | mindjuju | and thebigdog wants to be the sponsor |
| 01:46.07 | mindjuju | well, Torro Tech systems that is |
| 01:46.10 | mindjuju | something like that |
| 01:46.18 | wps | he said that he would like to do October |
| 01:46.30 | mindjuju | oh, k, i'll write him in for Oct |
| 01:46.31 | wps | do you want me to ask if he could do Sep instead or is October fine? |
| 01:46.54 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: we could gang up on josephscott and kick him |
| 01:46.56 | mindjuju | If he can do sept, that's awesome, otherwise, GLADLY have Oct |
| 01:47.06 | mindjuju | DexterTheDragon -- we should |
| 01:47.09 | wps | k |
| 01:47.26 | mindjuju | i spent 2 hours going around and around with this swf / xml file thinking it was jacked up and not working |
| 01:47.37 | mindjuju | then posted the xample html and oh, hmm... it works |
| 01:47.49 | mindjuju | then google to find out wordpress JACKS UP MY CODE!!! |
| 01:48.01 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 01:48.02 | mindjuju | google wordpress flash swf |
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| 01:48.05 | mindjuju | you'll see what i mean |
| 01:48.16 | mindjuju | that's why i hate frameworks / templates, etc |
| 01:48.28 | DexterTheDragon | I upgraded to the lastest version the other day and it borked my blog |
| 01:48.32 | mindjuju | it's so much easier to and who would have thunk it'd be messin' with my code |
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| 01:49.22 | mindjuju | so know i've got too choices, rip thorugh the code, see what the heck it is doing, or load a billion plugins till i find one that works |
| 01:49.38 | mindjuju | so far 1 plugin installed and 1 failure (that one) - Yipee! |
| 01:50.29 | mindjuju | and dexterthedragon, look at what the plugin did to try to get the swf to work |
| 01:50.41 | mindjuju | <script type="text/javascript"> |
| 01:50.41 | mindjuju | // <![CDATA[ |
| 01:50.41 | mindjuju | var so_1412215256 = new SWFObject("xml-changer-1.swf","fm_xml-changer-1_1412215256","600","300","6","","","","",""); |
| 01:50.41 | mindjuju | so_1412215256.write("so_targ_xml-changer-1_1412215256"); |
| 01:50.41 | mindjuju | // ]]> |
| 01:50.43 | mindjuju | </script> |
| 01:51.00 | DexterTheDragon | pretty |
| 01:51.11 | mindjuju | i read the notes, the dude is doing that trippy comment stuff to trick wordpress into leaving it alone |
| 01:51.15 | mindjuju | wth!!!! |
| 01:51.39 | wps | there are plugins that allow you to put code in a post |
| 01:51.46 | DexterTheDragon | well the comments are good if its in xhtml anyway |
| 01:52.06 | mindjuju | wps, sadly, this isn't even a comment post, this is just in the theme page |
| 01:52.32 | DexterTheDragon | what does wordpress do to the templates? |
| 01:52.37 | wps | something is wrong thenâ¦Â you should be able to have any HTML/CSS/JS in your theme |
| 01:52.42 | DexterTheDragon | I've only ever had it jack up code in a post |
| 01:53.37 | mindjuju | well, the weird thing is that I post the example code into a non wordpress page, and it works |
| 01:53.59 | mindjuju | i copy that example code (copy&paste) verbatim into the wordpress temp and it doesn't do a thing |
| 01:54.13 | mindjuju | the example page and the wordpress temp file are in the example same folder |
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| 02:34.24 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 02:34.24 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 02:34.35 | mindjuju | thx a heap |
| 02:34.46 | Utah_Dave | :) anytime! |
| 02:37.31 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: so who is speakingin October? |
| 03:06.34 | wps | Mike Potter from Adobe |
| 03:06.45 | Utah_Dave | what's he going to speak on? |
| 03:07.09 | DexterTheDragon | and where? |
| 03:07.23 | wps | working with Zend and contributing code to the Zend Framework that will allow Flex developers to access PHP backends using AMF (see Andi Gutmanâs blog post today - http://andigutmans.blogspot.com/2008/07/adobe-to-contribute-amf-support-to-zend.html ) |
| 03:07.42 | wps | usual UPHPU meeting, third wednesday at Bill Good Marketing in Draper |
| 03:07.46 | Utah_Dave | that should be interesting |
| 03:08.47 | DexterTheDragon | hmmm |
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| 14:57.49 | wps | mindjuju: Mike Potter confirmed for the October meeting |
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| 15:02.15 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 15:02.31 | mindjuju | i'm excited! |
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| 16:15.38 | PoeticIntensity | wow... |
| 16:15.43 | PoeticIntensity | pretty quiet in here for a Friday. |
| 16:15.46 | PoeticIntensity | ~yow |
| 16:16.37 | mindjuju | this, though, i think is WP but I'm googling to find out |
| 16:17.13 | mindjuju | jbot, pull PoeticIntensity 's finger |
| 16:17.16 | PoeticIntensity | I wonder where the line is in hacking someone else's code to do your bidding, or writing the thing from scratch. |
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| 16:17.38 | mindjuju | i guess it depends |
| 16:17.51 | PoeticIntensity | it'd take quite awhile to write what WP does in an app written from scratch... |
| 16:18.09 | mindjuju | yeah, but then you have full control |
| 16:18.12 | PoeticIntensity | yup.. |
| 16:18.33 | PoeticIntensity | I thought about that for weeks when considering building my blogging app. |
| 16:19.07 | PoeticIntensity | I decided to boil it down to, "what do I *NEED*"? and then contrasted that against the things I didn't like in WP. |
| 16:19.29 | mindjuju | maybe it's me being a megalomaniac, but there is a great feeling in knowing you can do things exactly as you want them |
| 16:19.44 | PoeticIntensity | It took me about 3 weeks to build the app from scratch, and quite frankly (aside of a few elusive bugs), I love it. |
| 16:19.47 | mindjuju | but then, as you state, you do have to invest the time to get it to be so |
| 16:19.53 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 16:19.54 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:19.57 | PoeticIntensity | but I can attest.... |
| 16:20.02 | SunSparc | It's all about, time |
| 16:20.21 | PoeticIntensity | once it's done... finding bugs and adding features is drastically reduced in time. |
| 16:20.27 | mindjuju | true that |
| 16:20.44 | mindjuju | and you know, on the other hand, it should be noted, using wordpress TAKES time to learn |
| 16:20.45 | PoeticIntensity | and, I've found, that the whole "security through obscurity" works wonders... |
| 16:20.50 | mindjuju | especially when you want to hackfu on it |
| 16:20.53 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 16:21.14 | PoeticIntensity | when I'm the only person on earth using the app - people tend not to hack on it as much. :) |
| 16:21.14 | mindjuju | so, pay for it up front in coding it yourself, or pay for it as you go in the day to day operation |
| 16:21.21 | PoeticIntensity | bingo, mindjuju. |
| 16:21.34 | PoeticIntensity | I do, however, use FCKeditor on my blog.... |
| 16:21.53 | PoeticIntensity | because I found that building my own blog entry code would suck hardcore... |
| 16:22.08 | PoeticIntensity | and the things FCKeditor did were marvelous (and marvelously easy)... |
| 16:22.08 | mindjuju | so, say for example, there is this great button that say, make my permalinks easy and i can choose what formating. I click the button, it does its thing and it looks like it is working |
| 16:22.22 | mindjuju | except when i go to visit a page, i can see the pretty URL formating, but no page content |
| 16:22.23 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 16:22.26 | mindjuju | :( |
| 16:22.29 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:22.33 | PoeticIntensity | precisely.... |
| 16:22.42 | mindjuju | so now, i gets to hack thorugh pages and pages and look at google with similar probs |
| 16:22.48 | PoeticIntensity | in your own code, that'd be much easier to find / squash - than hacking through a behemoth app. |
| 16:22.54 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 16:23.06 | PoeticIntensity | so.... it all depends on where ya wanna put the time. |
| 16:23.16 | PoeticIntensity | and how much control you *really* want. |
| 16:23.19 | mindjuju | the thign that kills me is that there are like 2 dozen plugins that *could* work and that have varying degrees of working |
| 16:23.31 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:23.41 | mindjuju | and of course, introducing a plugin introduces bugs not written by you or WP |
| 16:23.52 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 16:24.04 | mindjuju | and who knows if that coder was sober when they were coding? |
| 16:24.05 | PoeticIntensity | and another degree of complexity in dealing with unknown code. |
| 16:24.21 | wps | I am surprised that you have had such a bad experience with WP |
| 16:24.38 | wps | I have found it a very good application to build blogs/sites with |
| 16:24.39 | mindjuju | did you get that permalink thing to work off the bat, wps? |
| 16:24.57 | wps | and their API for writing plugins is a breeze |
| 16:25.09 | wps | did I get what working? setting up my rewrites for permalinks? |
| 16:25.28 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:25.33 | wps | yeah, it's a piece of cake |
| 16:25.43 | PoeticIntensity | man, I hate that. |
| 16:25.45 | wps | and in the new version, you don't even need modrewrite |
| 16:25.46 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 16:25.57 | PoeticIntensity | someone's bane in life is another person's cakewalk. |
| 16:25.58 | wps | if you don't mind your URLs looking like this: |
| 16:26.05 | wps | example.com/index.php/this-great-post |
| 16:26.08 | wps | you don't need rewrites |
| 16:26.11 | wps | if you want⦠|
| 16:26.26 | wps | example.com/2008/08/this-great-post |
| 16:26.34 | wps | then you just drop in a rewrite on your server and restart |
| 16:26.38 | beandog | actually |
| 16:26.49 | beandog | all you need is an .htaccess with ErrorDocument 404 index.php |
| 16:26.58 | PoeticIntensity | .....and beandog comes riding in on his brown donkey.. |
| 16:26.59 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 16:27.09 | thebigdog | haha |
| 16:27.14 | wps | sureâ¦Â there's a few ways to skin the cat |
| 16:27.14 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 16:27.19 | wps | do you want some example code mindjuju ? |
| 16:27.20 | PoeticIntensity | nothin' but love, beandog |
| 16:27.35 | mindjuju | wps, that'd be awesome |
| 16:28.32 | wps | here is an example permalinks settings page: http://screencast.com/t/ZRKPScMrD |
| 16:28.59 | wps | and here is the lines from httpd.conf for said blog: http://screencast.com/t/YN2gzT5cr |
| 16:29.00 | PoeticIntensity | so beandog..... when we goin' to the Salt Flats this year? |
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| 16:29.35 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, Im still up for it |
| 16:29.39 | beandog | vamos, pues |
| 16:29.50 | PoeticIntensity | bueno. |
| 16:29.52 | beandog | I wonder if I can go see Hancock for my lunch break. |
| 16:29.55 | wps | oops, screenshotted more than I neededâ¦Â you only need what's in the Directory blockâ¦Â not the virtual host blocks, mindjuju |
| 16:30.06 | beandog | nothing like a 3 hour lunch break. |
| 16:30.14 | PoeticIntensity | ^5 @ beandog |
| 16:30.20 | PoeticIntensity | Hancock was good. |
| 16:30.35 | beandog | crap. |
| 16:30.38 | beandog | :) |
| 16:30.40 | beandog | you know what that means. |
| 16:30.43 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt. |
| 16:30.53 | PoeticIntensity | I gave it 3.5 stars. |
| 16:30.58 | wps | out of 10? |
| 16:30.59 | mindjuju | wps, that's weird, i'm on that page, but it doesn't offer me the box to put in the rewrite |
| 16:31.07 | beandog | out of 11 |
| 16:31.15 | PoeticIntensity | 5, dorks. |
| 16:31.26 | mindjuju | ugh, k, i know what is going on now |
| 16:31.27 | wps | you don't put your rewrites in that box |
| 16:31.31 | beandog | heh |
| 16:31.33 | mindjuju | my bad |
| 16:31.42 | wps | those are just suggested rewrites for your to copy and paste in your httpd.conf or .htaccess files |
| 16:31.54 | mindjuju | right, understand on that |
| 16:32.31 | mindjuju | but i just realized in my haste this box isn't the LAMP box, this is the WAMP box |
| 16:33.01 | wps | are Apache config files different when running on W? |
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| 16:33.07 | thebigdog | wamp is an abomination |
| 16:33.13 | wps | welcome, mgeary |
| 16:33.18 | wps | ^5 thebigdog |
| 16:33.28 | mindjuju | so, that box on the page that says "if your .htaccess file were writable, we could...." |
| 16:33.30 | thebigdog | ^5 wps |
| 16:33.37 | mindjuju | that isn't on my page, cause i am on wamp |
| 16:33.45 | wps | ah |
| 16:33.54 | thebigdog | it doesnt work cause you are on wamp |
| 16:33.55 | wps | can't you edit your httpd.conf/.htaccess manually? |
| 16:33.57 | mindjuju | that's prolly why i'm having so many troubles |
| 16:34.16 | mindjuju | i'm goign to have to look at that wps |
| 16:34.31 | mindjuju | seems like on LAMP this is so much easier |
| 16:34.36 | wps | uhâ¦Â yeah |
| 16:35.21 | mindjuju | i've been doing pretty well with ubuntu server, is centos all that? |
| 16:35.30 | beandog | it's all that and a cup of frosting |
| 16:35.37 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 16:35.49 | wps | I've never touched ubuntu, so I couldn't comment |
| 16:35.53 | thebigdog | i would run centos server before a ubuntu |
| 16:36.12 | wps | I personally believe CentOS to be awesome though |
| 16:36.20 | mindjuju | hmmm, maybe i should look into it |
| 16:36.29 | wps | I've always thought the word ubuntu was weird too |
| 16:36.30 | thebigdog | centos is a great server |
| 16:36.45 | DexterTheDragon | eeewwww redhat based |
| 16:37.11 | jsmith | fungus: And that would be because... |
| 16:37.11 | wps | just don't do updates |
| 16:37.21 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:37.33 | Utah_Dave | I run a couple Ubuntu servers. works great for me |
| 16:37.41 | Utah_Dave | I also have a couple Fedora servers as well |
| 16:37.54 | DexterTheDragon | rpm = dependency hell |
| 16:38.07 | fungus | Updates are painful, installing additional software after the fact is painful. |
| 16:38.10 | wps | I think that all update systems on Linux suck |
| 16:38.17 | beandog | not portage |
| 16:38.19 | beandog | :) |
| 16:38.22 | SunSparc | portage rocks |
| 16:38.25 | fungus | Having to resort to rpmfind, or googling is not acceptable. |
| 16:38.28 | jsmith | DexterTheDragon: Modern RPM-based distros have much better dependency resolution |
| 16:38.28 | wps | installing or updating anything on linux sucks |
| 16:38.29 | DexterTheDragon | apt is better than rpm |
| 16:38.51 | fungus | DexterTheDragon: apt is to yum, as rpm is to deb |
| 16:38.57 | fungus | get your comparisons right. |
| 16:39.03 | thebigdog | haha |
| 16:39.15 | jsmith | Exactly... it's like saying "OS X is better than Microsoft Excel" |
| 16:39.16 | DexterTheDragon | patato patato |
| 16:39.21 | beandog | jsmith, lol |
| 16:39.22 | jsmith | DexterTheDragon: No, it's not |
| 16:39.25 | fungus | Yum has brought rpm based distros closer to usability, but still not quite there |
| 16:39.52 | jsmith | DexterTheDragon: RPM is a packaging format, apt is an update mechanism |
| 16:40.03 | DexterTheDragon | I know what the difference is |
| 16:40.22 | DexterTheDragon | *deb* is better than rpm |
| 16:40.26 | DexterTheDragon | there you guys happy now |
| 16:40.37 | beandog | not until you say gentoo is better than them all |
| 16:40.45 | fungus | I tried Fedora 9 and it's yum setup is really nice. |
| 16:40.50 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: I'm down with that |
| 16:40.56 | fungus | Does the latest CentOS have a decent Yum setup?? |
| 16:41.00 | beandog | that would at least shut me up |
| 16:41.01 | beandog | :) |
| 16:41.01 | jsmith | fungus: yes it does |
| 16:41.02 | thebigdog | yes |
| 16:41.36 | fungus | Ok, if jsmith and thebigdog say it's good. I'll try it. |
| 16:42.01 | thebigdog | i'm not a big rpm fan...but centos is great for a server and for management |
| 16:42.15 | thebigdog | however, i still use gentoo for my desktop |
| 16:42.16 | Utah_Dave | I've never had any problems upgrading my Ubuntu servers using apt |
| 16:42.33 | beandog | just dont upgrade. People won't know your box is insecure unless you tell them, right? |
| 16:42.41 | thebigdog | ubuntu is ok on the desktop...but i did not like it for a server |
| 16:42.48 | DexterTheDragon | all you need is a good firewall |
| 16:43.25 | beandog | and ssh + pub keys, plus a recent kernel that doesnt have local root privilege escalation |
| 16:43.41 | beandog | same with all the base system |
| 16:43.53 | beandog | and then, this is most important |
| 16:44.03 | beandog | dont let any PHBs know the box even exists. |
| 16:44.25 | beandog | "That's not a server, that's my mini fridge. I modded it." |
| 16:45.38 | DexterTheDragon | don't have to worry about overheating |
| 16:46.20 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:46.40 | thebigdog | and it keeps the drinks cold |
| 16:46.59 | thebigdog | when i emerge it makes ice |
| 16:47.15 | beandog | lol |
| 16:56.15 | SunSparc | mgeary: !! |
| 16:56.26 | mgeary | ? |
| 16:56.31 | SunSparc | mgeary: http://forums.families.com/gyros-doner-kebabs-recipe,t2821 |
| 16:57.31 | SunSparc | My mouth is already watering. I SOOOO want to run home and make this right now. |
| 16:58.11 | wps | weird words |
| 16:59.00 | SunSparc | both foreign in origin. :) |
| 16:59.53 | wps | you guys seen the latest ONN report on the olympic games being a trojan horse for a global takeover? :) |
| 16:59.57 | wps | I love the onion news |
| 17:00.57 | SunSparc | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Döner_kebab |
| 17:01.50 | SunSparc | ONN is funny stuff. |
| 17:03.33 | macnewbold | Anyone up for some friday humor: http://www.bobpitch.com/anon/CFB_exploits_of_a_mom.png |
| 17:04.11 | mgeary | you know, i don't understand why people can't get that a Gyro and a Doner are two different things |
| 17:04.19 | mgeary | Gyros are Greek and Doners are Turkish |
| 17:04.25 | mgeary | different bread, different sauce |
| 17:04.27 | mgeary | c'mon people |
| 17:04.38 | mgeary | don't you agree, SunSparc ? |
| 17:05.23 | SunSparc | mgeary: amen! |
| 17:05.33 | SunSparc | Doners taste much better than Gyros |
| 17:05.40 | mgeary | totally |
| 17:05.52 | macnewbold | are there any turkish restaurants in SLC/Utah Valley? |
| 17:05.57 | mgeary | gyros are like a health food. A good Doner is greasy.... Mmmmm |
| 17:06.24 | mgeary | macnewbold: there's a mediterranean restaurant in SLC that i've had my eye on... |
| 17:06.50 | mgeary | Cafe Med |
| 17:06.55 | SunSparc | macnewbold: that comic was awesome |
| 17:06.59 | mgeary | hmm, there's this-- |
| 17:07.03 | mgeary | http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/54/591024/restaurant/Downtown/House-of-Kabob-and-Ouidas-Lounge-Salt-Lake-City |
| 17:07.53 | SunSparc | Yeah, I have been wanting to try Cafe Med also. |
| 17:09.52 | DexterTheDragon | geek lunch Cafe med |
| 17:10.40 | SunSparc | I second that |
| 17:10.46 | macnewbold | DexterTheDragon: also suggested http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 17:10.56 | macnewbold | I've tried Cafe Med |
| 17:11.00 | macnewbold | I wasn't too impressed |
| 17:11.05 | mgeary | though speaking of Greek food, it's been far too long since i had a nice Souvlaki |
| 17:11.06 | macnewbold | then again, I didn't order a Doner |
| 17:11.07 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart macnewbold |
| 17:11.07 | jbot | farts in macnewbold's general direction |
| 17:11.49 | macnewbold | For Greek, I enjoy Yanni's where Highland Dr crosses 1300 E, near 2700 South |
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| 17:13.00 | macnewbold | ~welcome bwelker |
| 17:13.00 | jbot | bwelker, Sup yo? |
| 17:13.12 | Utah_Dave | DexterTheDragon: Have you seen the Linux Cheat Sheet shirt at http://store.xkcd.com/ ? |
| 17:13.21 | Utah_Dave | I'm going to get me one |
| 17:13.28 | DexterTheDragon | Utah_Dave: yeah its awesome |
| 17:13.37 | DexterTheDragon | I want like half the shirts he sales |
| 17:15.35 | bwelker | hey all |
| 17:15.40 | SunSparc | My favorite is the Sudo one |
| 17:16.22 | bwelker | i should get me the regex one |
| 17:16.36 | bwelker | and i've always liked the science one |
| 17:17.53 | bwelker | the hoodie would be dope, if it werent zip up |
| 17:17.59 | bwelker | pull overs are so much better |
| 17:19.03 | DexterTheDragon | zip up > pull over |
| 17:19.38 | beandog | Sorry DexterTheDragon, you're wrong. Please leave the room and come back when you're right. |
| 17:19.53 | beandog | hoodies++ |
| 17:20.31 | beandog | er |
| 17:20.32 | beandog | whatever |
| 17:45.56 | mindjuju | yup, it's good |
| 17:46.03 | SunSparc | Most people I know don't like it though. |
| 17:46.04 | SunSparc | Odd |
| 17:46.07 | SunSparc | I really dig it. |
| 17:46.16 | mindjuju | for those who aren't packing a Seal album handy, go here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lvGfGwLNA |
| 17:46.17 | SunSparc | My wife does not dig it. |
| 17:47.31 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: that takes green screening to a new level |
| 17:48.17 | mindjuju | you know, i never saw the video before i looked for it here today |
| 17:49.44 | mindjuju | SunSparc - Kiss from a rose has to be his best song though |
| 17:51.50 | SunSparc | I like Human Being |
| 18:11.02 | bwelker | seal is good |
| 18:11.13 | bwelker | the atb remake of killer is really good |
| 18:12.32 | bwelker | nice |
| 18:12.40 | bwelker | for mindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWanb4GOvW0 |
| 18:12.57 | bwelker | cranberries++ |
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| 18:14.46 | mindjuju | bwelker - that was cool! |
| 18:19.13 | bwelker | caution, will induce sleepiness |
| 18:19.21 | bwelker | but is an awesome song |
| 18:19.52 | mindjuju | how could one fall asleep to the Peppers? |
| 18:20.18 | bwelker | cuz it's not the peppers |
| 18:20.19 | mindjuju | whoa! that's NOT the peppers |
| 18:20.21 | mindjuju | what's that? |
| 18:20.24 | mindjuju | that's sleep music! |
| 18:20.28 | bwelker | George Winston |
| 18:20.29 | mindjuju | AIEEEEE! |
| 18:20.32 | bwelker | told you |
| 18:20.49 | bwelker | George Winston++ |
| 18:20.49 | fungus | sleep music is not allowed during business hours. |
| 18:20.55 | bwelker | lol |
| 18:20.55 | fungus | Should be labeled NSFW |
| 18:21.01 | bwelker | LOL |
| 18:21.29 | bwelker | don't make me laugh, my daughter is sleeping 10 feet away (hence the chill music) |
| 18:22.42 | mgeary | doh |
| 18:22.45 | fungus | lol |
| 18:23.01 | bwelker | here is my appolgies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1dAmziKpXE |
| 18:23.19 | bwelker | if that don't get you movin... |
| 18:23.19 | mindjuju | Peter Gabriel is good, he had one song that i've forgotten the title to that I should look for |
| 18:23.25 | bwelker | sledgehammer |
| 18:23.29 | mgeary | from Rabbit-Proof Fence? |
| 18:23.30 | mindjuju | nope |
| 18:23.38 | mgeary | or from Wall-E? |
| 18:23.43 | mindjuju | it was like a duet with this girl, way older |
| 18:23.48 | mgeary | Don't Give Up? |
| 18:23.49 | fungus | Red Rain |
| 18:23.49 | mindjuju | like from the In your eyes album |
| 18:23.53 | mindjuju | oh yeah, that's it |
| 18:23.53 | mgeary | Don't Give Up |
| 18:23.56 | mindjuju | don't give up |
| 18:23.57 | fungus | ahh, yes Don't Give Up |
| 18:24.02 | mindjuju | that's a good un |
| 18:24.05 | mgeary | that's Kate Bush, not "this girl" |
| 18:24.07 | mgeary | sheesh |
| 18:24.19 | mindjuju | ~wiki kate bush |
| 18:24.30 | mgeary | you're kidding me |
| 18:24.57 | mindjuju | can't know everything! |
| 18:25.16 | mgeary | how can you survive the 80's and not even hear of Kate Bush? |
| 18:25.26 | mindjuju | bwelker is redeemed by his youtube post |
| 18:25.33 | mindjuju | had did i manage? |
| 18:25.43 | mindjuju | she doesn't sound remotely familiar |
| 18:27.36 | mgeary | she's a bit different, semi-alternative, but has some really great songs |
| 18:27.49 | bwelker | safri duo++++++ |
| 18:29.14 | bwelker | more safri duo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJ-0cs76NI |
| 18:33.01 | mindjuju | Pepper is an awesome song fungus |
| 18:33.42 | fungus | yup |
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| 18:47.33 | mgeary | mindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm901CXujEg |
| 18:47.40 | mgeary | that's Kate Bush's best work, imo |
| 18:47.51 | mgeary | not the video, necessarily, but the song |
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| 19:25.33 | wps | is there an easy way to tell if an array is multidimensional? |
| 19:25.45 | wps | I need to check whether it has any sub-arryas |
| 19:26.25 | wps | I guess I could do this: |
| 19:26.38 | wps | if(isset($array[0][0])) |
| 19:29.34 | DexterTheDragon | thats assuming $array[0] is the multidimensional one |
| 19:29.47 | wps | yeah |
| 19:29.48 | wps | hmm |
| 19:31.59 | DexterTheDragon | wps: you could do something like http://pastebin.ca/1090070 |
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| 20:14.06 | wps | thanks DexterTheDragon |
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| 20:23.59 | Utah_Dave | Ahh. Just finished some lunchtime Command & Conquer Zero Hour |
| 20:27.38 | wps | is there any way to select the first sub array, regardless of what it's key is? |
| 20:27.46 | wps | normally you can do it like this $array[0] |
| 20:27.53 | wps | but what if the first one's key is a number? |
| 20:28.01 | wps | (and it's number isn't zero) |
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| 20:36.15 | thebigdog | time to upgrade some mysql |
| 20:55.41 | beandog | wps, I like to use count. Or is_array |
| 20:57.30 | wps | for some reason sir mixalot just popped into my head |
| 20:57.32 | wps | interesting |
| 20:57.50 | wps | "no otha-brotha can deny!" |
| 20:58.01 | wps | I sure need a weekend |
| 20:58.14 | mgeary | is_array is dangerous |
| 20:58.32 | mgeary | if you ever decide to use an Iterator, is_array will break a ton of your code |
| 20:58.36 | mgeary | i speak from experience here |
| 21:01.06 | dataw0lf | it's actually "you other brothas can't deny" wps. |
| 21:01.18 | dataw0lf | FYI. |
| 21:01.22 | wps | ah... yes |
| 21:01.28 | wps | thanks :) |
| 21:01.40 | dataw0lf | <- Baby Got Back professional karaoker |
| 21:02.02 | beandog | karaoke is a profession? |
| 21:02.57 | dataw0lf | it is when you get dollars thrown on stage. |
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| 21:06.04 | dataw0lf | the whole song is basically too dirty for this channel but I love it |
| 21:07.12 | beandog | man |
| 21:07.17 | beandog | this Compaq works great as a foot stool |
| 21:07.39 | dataw0lf | *heated foot stool |
| 21:07.40 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 21:26.51 | timinator | Time to come clean: Who here will be going to a "Breaking Dawn" book release tonight/tomorrow? |
| 21:29.07 | timinator | ~wake fungus macnewbold thebigdog Utah_Dave wps _psychic_ beandog bradym dataw0lf DexterTheDragon eco herlo josephscott jsmith mgeary olds PoeticIntensity SunSparc swb synic tierra carmony cycokilr djcode gibbawho jnbek opapo pelaofeliz1 redroy tonedevf undertak1ngyou unum xilch|w |
| 21:29.08 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on fungus macnewbold thebigdog Utah_Dave wps _psychic_ beandog bradym dataw0lf DexterTheDragon eco herlo josephscott jsmith mgeary olds PoeticIntensity SunSparc swb synic tierra carmony cycokilr djcode gibbawho jnbek opapo pelaofeliz1 redroy tonedevf undertak1ngyou unum xilch|w and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 21:29.14 | eco | WHAT?!!!!11 |
| 21:29.14 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:29.25 | _psychic_ | ~lart timinator |
| 21:29.25 | jbot | cuts off timinator's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 21:29.26 | josephscott | good grief |
| 21:29.30 | beandog | go away, I'm napping, er working here |
| 21:29.33 | DexterTheDragon | channel attack |
| 21:29.34 | thebigdog | timinator, i have not idea what that is |
| 21:29.37 | mgeary | ~bradym timinator |
| 21:29.39 | timinator | LMAO |
| 21:29.41 | fungus | I hope Bella dies! |
| 21:29.42 | DexterTheDragon | seems like it worked |
| 21:29.53 | mgeary | ~bwelker timinator |
| 21:29.54 | jbot | ACTION asks timinator lots of questions, and completely distracts him from his train of thought |
| 21:29.54 | beandog | group hug! |
| 21:30.01 | DexterTheDragon | awwwwwww |
| 21:30.02 | thebigdog | i dont read that crap |
| 21:30.06 | beandog | ~beandog room |
| 21:30.11 | beandog | doh. |
| 21:30.16 | timinator | haha..... yes you do thebigdog... I've been to your house |
| 21:30.44 | timinator | :) |
| 21:30.47 | SunSparc | ~pong timinator |
| 21:30.47 | jbot | timinator: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:30.48 | thebigdog | hehe i dont read it |
| 21:30.53 | fungus | Yup, he's even got an "I love Edward" t-shirt |
| 21:30.57 | thebigdog | the wife and daughter does...but not thebigdog |
| 21:31.00 | timinator | hehe |
| 21:31.12 | timinator | oh, right *wink |
| 21:31.12 | bradym | ~lart timinator |
| 21:31.12 | jbot | tries to shut timinator up |
| 21:31.20 | timinator | good luck jbot |
| 21:31.36 | DexterTheDragon | nobody's managed to do it before |
| 21:31.49 | timinator | for those that don't know what I'm talking about: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3910154 |
| 21:31.53 | timinator | exactly |
| 21:32.23 | fungus | I've had it pre-ordered for many months |
| 21:32.48 | beandog | pong? |
| 21:32.59 | beandog | oh, the book |
| 21:33.14 | fungus | Of course. |
| 21:33.25 | mgeary | never. even. heard. of. it. |
| 21:33.25 | josephscott | ping timinator |
| 21:33.28 | josephscott | ping timinator |
| 21:33.31 | josephscott | ping timinator |
| 21:33.38 | timinator | I'm here |
| 21:33.39 | josephscott | oh, thought were trying to annoy folks |
| 21:33.40 | timinator | pong |
| 21:33.44 | fungus | So the real question is... Are you an Edward or Jacob fan? |
| 21:33.44 | josephscott | :-) |
| 21:33.49 | timinator | :) |
| 21:34.06 | wps | Edward all the way |
| 21:34.11 | wps | jacob is a jerk |
| 21:34.14 | fungus | woot! |
| 21:34.41 | timinator | actually, I haven't read them... not even a page of it.... a friend gave the books to my wife, she's read all three in the last 72 hours, and may go to a book release tonight |
| 21:34.45 | fungus | Also he's got a lot more money |
| 21:35.07 | fungus | You just gotta read them. |
| 21:35.15 | wps | I've read them and thought that they were great books |
| 21:35.17 | timinator | she told me as much |
| 21:35.17 | wps | I couldn't put them down |
| 21:35.33 | fungus | I still hate the lead character, but the books are great. |
| 21:36.01 | mgeary | ~give wps the Sex in the City DVD |
| 21:36.01 | jbot | ACTION gives the Sex in the City DVD to wps |
| 21:36.11 | fungus | lol, me too. |
| 21:36.11 | wps | haven't seen that show |
| 21:36.14 | wps | no cable |
| 21:36.18 | wps | (by choice) |
| 21:36.19 | mgeary | or is it Sex AND the City |
| 21:36.20 | fungus | I saw it the day it came out. |
| 21:36.27 | fungus | it's "and" |
| 21:36.30 | timinator | and that's when the channel made a gay turn |
| 21:36.32 | timinator | :) |
| 21:36.33 | mgeary | shows what i know |
| 21:36.43 | wps | timinator: ha ah ha |
| 21:36.56 | wps | I am very, very, very, very straight |
| 21:37.01 | wps | very, very, very |
| 21:37.14 | wps | very |
| 21:37.16 | mgeary | ~homophobe wps |
| 21:37.23 | timinator | everyone see pics from the gay pride parade? |
| 21:37.31 | wps | which? |
| 21:37.37 | mgeary | i went to one in Germany |
| 21:37.39 | wps | don't they march every week in San Fran? |
| 21:37.41 | mgeary | what a party |
| 21:37.46 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:37.49 | mgeary | now, now, wps |
| 21:37.54 | wps | I was in a hotel in the red-light district in San Fran during one |
| 21:37.57 | wps | didn't get any sleep |
| 21:38.05 | fungus | Those pics are rarely representative, they exaggerate the worst parts. |
| 21:38.07 | DexterTheDragon | so php..... yeah |
| 21:38.16 | timinator | yes, PHP |
| 21:38.30 | wps | sorry about that |
| 21:38.53 | cycokilr | sounds too frolicky for me.. |
| 21:39.02 | timinator | I bet they don't march in this parade then |
| 21:39.32 | timinator | seems that if some heterosexuals went that far, they'd be imprisoned. |
| 21:40.07 | timinator | but homosexuals, well, just let them do their thing, they'll be done in a minute |
| 21:40.26 | wps | oh my |
| 21:40.39 | wps | tim tim tim |
| 21:40.52 | DexterTheDragon | it's like an AOL chat room |
| 21:40.53 | timinator | I know |
| 21:40.56 | timinator | LOL |
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| 21:41.17 | wps | poor squitoey |
| 21:41.21 | wps | brace yourself |
| 21:41.28 | squitoey | why? |
| 21:41.30 | timinator | haha |
| 21:41.31 | fungus | Like I said, except for maybe a very few places in the world, most of those parades are a lot tamer than the press likes to make out. |
| 21:42.34 | timinator | I bet your right |
| 21:42.55 | fungus | lol |
| 21:48.41 | beandog | wps, try Ctl L |
| 21:48.57 | DexterTheDragon | or Alt F4 |
| 21:48.59 | wps | does nothing in Colloquy |
| 21:49.03 | wps | it's cmd + K |
| 21:49.30 | SunSparc | Option+Shift+K is better |
| 21:49.37 | DexterTheDragon | pffft it does the same thing in Linux |
| 21:49.40 | beandog | yah |
| 21:49.55 | wps | ahâ¦Â no hard feelings then |
| 21:50.09 | beandog | group hug |
| 21:50.14 | DexterTheDragon | awwwwwww |
| 21:50.19 | wps | beandog: no |
| 21:50.21 | wps | we just got over that |
| 21:50.42 | beandog | okay so anyone an expert at google maps |
| 21:50.53 | wps | using the API? |
| 21:51.30 | beandog | yah |
| 22:00.00 | bradym | wouldn't call myself an expert, but i've used it |
| 22:01.37 | beandog | geez, I finally got it |
| 22:01.47 | beandog | I've been trying to get just the lat and long |
| 22:05.06 | bradym | not a big fan of google's geocoding.. found yahoo's to be a bit easier to deal with |
| 22:18.13 | thebigdog | openlayers is where it is at |
| 22:18.37 | thebigdog | then you can use google, yahoo or mapserver or anything else you can think of |
| 22:21.28 | DexterTheDragon | anybody know of a good way to show a map of the USA with the individual states clickable? |
| 22:22.24 | mgeary | Flash |
| 22:22.39 | wps | that's what I would use |
| 22:22.41 | DexterTheDragon | that was my fear |
| 22:22.48 | wps | why is that scary? |
| 22:22.56 | mgeary | or an image map, but hilighting a state becomes problematic |
| 22:22.58 | DexterTheDragon | I'm just not a big flash fan |
| 22:23.08 | DexterTheDragon | but its the only good option I could think of |
| 22:23.13 | wps | seems like a great solution for this |
| 22:23.18 | beandog | google maps has a lot of demos that does stuff like that |
| 22:23.18 | DexterTheDragon | yeah an imagemap would suck |
| 22:23.33 | wps | you shouldn't build websites with it, but widgets on websites is it's forté |
| 22:23.37 | beandog | http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/demogallery.html |
| 22:29.23 | macnewbold | ~lart timinator |
| 22:29.23 | jbot | whacks timinator with the cluebat |
| 22:29.45 | timinator | ouch |
| 22:30.06 | timinator | what was that for mac? |
| 22:30.15 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 22:30.16 | jbot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down _psychic_'s throat until _psychic_ puts on 150lbs |
| 22:30.18 | swb | DexterTheDragon: clickable image map -> http://www.myriadtests.com/finddoc.php |
| 22:30.41 | mgeary | clickable isn't hard, it's hilighting a rollover that's hard |
| 22:30.49 | swb | ah, doh |
| 22:31.11 | swb | this one then: http://www.pictureline.com/community/maps/locator/ |
| 22:32.01 | thebigdog | im down for code reuse...even when it is not mine |
| 22:32.25 | mgeary | but yeah, that pictureline instance is very decent |
| 22:32.52 | swb | :) |
| 22:34.37 | DexterTheDragon | swb: nice |
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| 22:35.48 | wps | is there any difference between (!empty($this)) and ($this != '') ? |
| 22:36.01 | DexterTheDragon | yea |
| 22:36.42 | DexterTheDragon | empty tests if the variable has been initialized |
| 22:37.02 | wps | I thought that was what isset did |
| 22:37.16 | DexterTheDragon | isset only test if it is set |
| 22:37.22 | DexterTheDragon | it can still == '' |
| 22:37.34 | DexterTheDragon | empty test weather the var is set and its value |
| 22:38.00 | wps | what does initialized mean? |
| 22:38.33 | DexterTheDragon | that something like $var = 'foo'; |
| 22:38.45 | DexterTheDragon | has been done before you use the var |
| 22:39.06 | wps | isn't assign 'foo' to $var "setting" it? |
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| 22:39.11 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 22:39.12 | wps | isn't assigning 'foo' to $var "setting" it? |
| 22:39.41 | wps | so wouldn't checking isset() on $var determine if it had a value or not? |
| 22:39.49 | DexterTheDragon | nope |
| 22:39.56 | wps | waitâ¦Â I think I might be getting it |
| 22:39.58 | DexterTheDragon | $var = null; |
| 22:40.03 | wps | it can be set but still not have a value |
| 22:40.06 | DexterTheDragon | isset($var) == true |
| 22:40.08 | wps | yeahâ¦Â like null |
| 22:40.13 | DexterTheDragon | empty($var) also true |
| 22:40.35 | fungus | isset and empty are not the same. |
| 22:41.02 | fungus | the following are all "empty": "", 0, "0", NULL, FALSE, array() |
| 22:47.23 | wps | so back to my original question |
| 22:47.38 | wps | !empty() and !='' are the same, right? |
| 22:48.07 | *** join/#uphpu Jacob_Kerr (n=Jacob_Ke@69-71-160-244.mammothnetworks.com) |
| 22:48.50 | swb | http://www.killersoft.com/misc/php_variable_tests.php |
| 22:49.22 | DexterTheDragon | wps: no cause if $var = 0; empty says true !='' doesn't |
| 22:49.26 | Jacob_Kerr | Good afternoon everyone :) |
| 22:49.32 | DexterTheDragon | wps: no cause if $var = 0; empty says true, !='' doesn't |
| 22:50.10 | DexterTheDragon | wait |
| 22:50.22 | DexterTheDragon | getting all confised |
| 22:50.23 | Jacob_Kerr | I know you guys have a job listing on the site but if anyone knows of any open PHP / MySQL jobs then send me a PM :) |
| 22:51.03 | Jacob_Kerr | P P Please.. |
| 22:51.48 | DexterTheDragon | wps: $var = 0; !empty($var) is false, $var!='' is true |
| 22:52.24 | DexterTheDragon | although php may type shift $var in the $var!='' so it may come out true, but not for $var = array() or NULL |
| 22:52.34 | Jacob_Kerr | lol |
| 22:52.44 | Jacob_Kerr | Never had this problem.. |
| 22:52.53 | wps | k |
| 22:53.25 | wps | so if I want to test if a variable contains a string, is !='' the best option? |
| 22:53.47 | orsonj | http://picasaweb.google.com/orsonj/Indiana?authkey=ykAcKtpQxzI |
| 22:53.57 | orsonj | finally got a few pictures of Indiana up |
| 22:54.01 | wps | congrats, orsonj |
| 22:54.12 | orsonj | sad how dialup works better than hospital wifi |
| 22:54.23 | orsonj | thanks |
| 22:54.34 | swb | congrats :) |
| 22:55.06 | timinator | what a cutie |
| 22:55.09 | timinator | congrats |
| 22:55.50 | DexterTheDragon | wps !=='' is best |
| 22:56.12 | wps | k |
| 22:56.22 | DexterTheDragon | that way it checks type |
| 23:03.40 | wps | how can people stand to look at sites like this? |
| 23:03.41 | wps | http://www.happinetonline.com/NASApp/mnas/MxMFront?Action=prd_mall_top |
| 23:05.17 | *** part/#uphpu squitoey (n=dallin@host-20.fbp.ore.fiber.net) |
| 23:07.52 | orsonj | well, probably people who can actually read that language... |
| 23:09.00 | tierra | and also being a RTL language, it's not that much different from the typical page layout, just reversed |
| 23:10.43 | wps | the color, graphics, and level of happiness is causing a seizure |
| 23:10.59 | Jacob_Kerr | Hmm oddd. |
| 23:11.04 | Jacob_Kerr | empty does not work? |
| 23:11.06 | orsonj | well, these are the people who watch anime |
| 23:11.47 | orsonj | interesting use of LTR and RTL though. english translation on left, other language on the right. |
| 23:22.23 | timinator | I'm outie... later guys |
| 23:51.19 | olds | interesting problem |
| 23:52.11 | olds | if I have an array and one of the values is the boolean "true", and I do an array_search for "-1" it will return the key for the "true" entry |
| 23:52.51 | olds | http://pastebin.com/d15df4bd4 |
| 23:53.12 | olds | anyone know why? |
| 23:54.36 | olds | srsly frustrating |
| 23:57.38 | Jacob_Kerr | hmm 1 = true I know that.. |
| 23:58.02 | olds | yea, but -1 |
| 23:58.09 | Jacob_Kerr | 0 = false of course so it must be looking past the - |
| 23:58.30 | orsonj | yep, -1 is true |
| 23:58.56 | Jacob_Kerr | have you tryed just putting -1 without double quotes or with just single quotes? |
| 23:59.05 | orsonj | well, any number that isn't 0 is true |
| 23:59.16 | Jacob_Kerr | hmm.. |
| 23:59.46 | orsonj | probably need to use the strict option on array_search |
| 23:59.47 | olds | seems odd that php would evaluate the -1 |
| 23:59.59 | olds | for a search |
