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15:16.44SunSparcMuten gorgen
15:19.29Utah_DaveI thought this was a great article by Cory Doctorow:
15:19.30Utah_Davehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jul/29/internet.digitalmusic
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15:33.31SunSparcUtah_Dave: Dugg ->  http://digg.com/music/A_filesharing_suicide_note_from_the_music_industry
15:34.15wpsUtah_Dave: Doug -> http://www.granitegrok.com/pix/Doug.JPG
15:36.28SunSparcwps: :)
15:36.45wps~rimshot
15:36.46jbotba-dum CHH
15:37.34wpssay there was a guy that worked for a company that had an email system that could not be accessed outside of the LAN
15:37.58Utah_Davewps: you're quick on the google image search!
15:38.18wpsand say this guy's company's IT department also had the email server configured such that it did not allow forwarding rules
15:38.33wpsany slick ideas on how this guy could get his email out to his iPhone?
15:39.53wpsall of this just being hypothetical, of course
15:40.14SunSparcChange companies
15:40.22Utah_Davewps: I bet you could whip up a python script that would check your email periodically and send the contents of the emails to your iPhone email account
15:41.57macnewboldUtah_Dave: I saw an interesting billboard today while heading north on I-15 about 9000 South... It was for UtahDave.com
15:42.20macnewboldlooks like there's some guy squatting your nick and using it to do real estate deals I think
15:42.31wpswow… he's huge!
15:43.58Utah_Davemacnewbold: I know! I saw that too.
15:44.10Utah_DaveI found him on LinkedIn
15:44.13Utah_Davetoo
15:45.46Utah_Davewhat should I put on my billboard?
15:45.57funguswps: he might be able to restrict forwarding rules on the server, but he can't control rules in the client.
15:45.57wpsa turtle
15:46.07wpsthe can on MS clients
15:46.11wpsthey can on MS clients
15:46.17fungusso use a different client.
15:46.19wpsbut I am trying it now with a non-MS client
15:49.49wpsany recommendations on a good client to use? one that is just command line would be slick… that I could just leave running unseen on my workstation
15:50.09wpssomething really light weight that just checks an IMAP account and forwards anything it finds
15:50.33unumssh tunnel
15:50.56wpshow would I do it with a tunnel?
15:51.34SunSparcwps: PINE
15:51.42unumset up an imaps/pops proxy
15:51.48SunSparcor MUTT
15:52.04wpscan PINE or MUTT run even when you don't have them open in the terminal?
15:52.08wpsdoes that require a screen?
15:52.11unumyou set up the proxy on your computer at work and then set your work computer to tunnel to a server
15:52.34SunSparcwps: Hmmm, never really tried running them as a service...
15:52.40unumthen you just connect to that server and it's like you're at work
15:52.41unumta da
15:53.08wpsI'm not trying to get into the LAN though… I'm trying to get the email out of the LAN
15:55.14wpserr… I mean this hypothetical guy
15:55.14unumyou could do something with fetch mail
15:56.11SunSparcwps: Are they blocking all ports?
15:56.18SunSparcYou could try some alternates
15:56.42SunSparcLike 587
15:56.46funguswps: fetchmail
15:56.58funguscommandline app whose purpose is to download mail
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15:57.05fungussupports POP and IMAP
15:57.09wpsperfect, fungus
15:57.12wpsI'll look into that
15:57.24timinatormorning guys
15:57.30wpsis this it?
15:57.30wpshttp://www.catb.org/~esr/fetchmail/
15:57.40fungusyup
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16:12.12wpsmy boss is freaking out
16:12.14wps:)
16:12.26wpsafter being a crackberry user for the past four years, he just switched to an iPhone
16:12.31wpsand it's so different for him that he's going nuts
16:12.42wps"I don't like it… it doesn't work like my BB"
16:12.48wps"well, it's not supposed to"
16:13.26bwelkerwps, does your client automatically convert ... to ellipses?
16:13.32SunSparcwps: My advice to him would be to stop thinking about what to do and just do what feels natural and intuitive.
16:13.41wpsno
16:13.56wpsoption + ;  inserts an ellipsis on Mac OS
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16:14.09bwelkerhmmm....    because i'm getting this […Â]
16:14.10wpswelcome, mgeary
16:14.17wpswhat client are you using?
16:14.23bwelkericechat on windows
16:14.24mgearythanks. morning.
16:14.28wpsit probably doesn't support that character
16:14.32bwelkerright
16:14.36bwelkeri was just wondering
16:14.44bwelkerbecuase theyre everywhere
16:14.54*** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> …
16:14.59bwelkerlol
16:15.15bwelkerthat ones different though
16:15.17wpsthat's how my mind feels this morning
16:15.18wps…
16:15.28bwelkerit's missing  on the end
16:15.46bwelkerwhen i copy-pasted above, did it show ellipses to you?
16:15.59bwelkeror the unicode crap
16:16.06wpstry again
16:16.13bwelker<PROTECTED>
16:16.20bwelkershould be between the []
16:16.25wpsI get this: …Â]
16:16.29wps[…Â] […Â]
16:16.31bwelkernice
16:16.33wpsbunch of goggly-gook
16:16.42wpss/gg/bb/
16:16.46bwelkeryeah, mines not quite that bad, but i get similar
16:16.57bwelkerwhen you type ellipses
16:17.11bwelkerit's all good though, i was just wondering
16:17.16wpscool
16:17.51SunSparcHow about this one -> 
16:18.04bwelkerits unicode crap, but different
16:18.12bwelkerwhat is it on your end
16:18.17SunSparcAn apple
16:18.20bwelkernice
16:18.25DexterTheDragonI got a box
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16:18.41SunSparcSweet, nice topic wps
16:18.50bwelkerDexterTheDragon does your box have characters inside it, or just empty
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16:18.59SunSparcDo we have an irc channel for uaug?
16:19.09wps#uaug
16:19.20SunSparcOh, very clever, an arrow through an apple
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16:19.54SunSparcLooks pretty popular over there on #uaug.
16:20.10wpsit's hopping
16:20.21bwelkereven more so now
16:20.24SunSparclol
16:23.56wpsman, I'm so stressed this morning
16:24.00wpsthis project is driving me nuts
16:24.04wpswas supposed to be done Monday
16:24.08wpsthree days late
16:24.23wpsI was going to finish it at home overnight, but the corporate VPN is jacked
16:25.02bwelkerwell, put on your PHP superhero hat, and bust it out
16:25.18wpsactually, I think I'm going to log off here so I can focus
16:25.22wpslater
16:25.24bwelkerNOOOOOOO
16:27.08Utah_Daveway to go, bwelker! you scared him off!
16:27.09Utah_Dave:)
16:27.21herloUtah_Dave: not a chance :)
16:52.15Utah_DaveI want to add an element to the beginning of an associative array. "array_push" and "$myarray[] = " both add to the end of the array. any ideas?
16:52.49mgearyarray_unshift
16:54.01Utah_Davethanks!  I had overlooked that one. the name didn't mean much to me
16:54.05Utah_Davethanks, mgeary
16:54.11mgearyyeah, not very intuitive
16:54.13DexterTheDragonI don't think that will work for an associative array
16:54.13mgearyyw
16:54.29mgearyassociative arrays don't (shouldn't) technically have an order
16:54.41mgearyso "beginning" versus "end" is technically irrelevant
16:54.48mgearythough php doesn't always comply with that
16:54.48DexterTheDragontrue
16:55.17mgearyyou should never rely on items from an assoc array coming out in particular order
16:55.20bwelkerbut they do though, if you foreach through an associative array, it has an order
16:55.29mgearythough in php you technically can
16:55.40SunSparchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ylxWcwkUM
16:55.40mgearyand you can even sort an assoc array
16:56.23bwelkereven in arrays that are not associative, you can sort them while retaining key associations, and they will reorder the keys, even though the keys are indexes
16:56.26synicI'd imagine that because it's not specifically law written in the manual that associative arrays have an order, they could change the implementation on you at any point and you'd be screwed.
16:56.50Utah_Davemgeary: array_unshift won't work because it resets the keys.
16:57.15bwelkerarray_reverse, put the element on the end, array_reverse again
16:57.23Utah_DaveI'm going to try array_merge
16:57.29mgearyor use the + operator
16:57.41mgearynew_array = your_new_item + old_array
16:58.04bwelkeri've never gotten + to work with arrays, it always ends up wierd
16:58.08DexterTheDragonUtah_Dave: array_reverse($array, true); $array['newitem'] = 'foo'; array_reverse($array, true);
16:58.15bwelkernot sure what I'm doing wrong, it's just always bad
16:58.29mgeary+ is the only thing that will work in some cases, since array_merge can affect your keys, iirc
16:58.37bwelkerthanks DexterTheDragon, mine must have gotten lost up there
17:04.03Utah_Davemgeary: + worked just like I wanted it
17:04.07mgearynice
17:04.17Utah_Davearray_merge redoes all the keys as well
17:46.53mgearyunsigned integers++
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18:29.08thebigdogmindjuju, you around?
18:31.03mindjujuonly metaphorically
18:32.35_psychic_just around the bend?
18:33.21mindjujuproverbially
18:33.27mindjuju:)
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19:11.45Utah_Davehey, thebigdog, didn't I hear you talking about you building your own gis map server a while back?
19:12.07thebigdogyes i did
19:12.28Utah_Davewere you able to put it together using all open source software?
19:14.32thebigdogyes
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19:23.28beandogbuenas
19:24.09beandogwhat
19:24.10beandogI just got here.
19:24.15beandogI had an interview this morning
19:24.17beandogwhee
19:25.15mindjujuhow did it go?
19:25.20mindjujuwhere at?
19:25.27_psychic_the police department?
19:25.29beandogwell, I hate to say it, but you're gonna have to go mindjuju
19:25.33beandoglooks like I got your job
19:25.37beandog:)
19:25.53mindjujudag!
19:26.04beandogI cant wait to watch youtube cartoons all day!
19:26.09mgearyhahahahaha
19:40.07mgearyisn't Debbie Gibson your favorite, thebigdog ?
19:40.17thebigdogouch that would make me want to work for mindjuju
19:40.52mindjujuhar har har
19:40.57_psychic_Any cakephp guys in here today?
19:41.08mindjujui don't think you could hack it bro
19:41.15mindjuju:p
19:41.24thebigdogmgeary, i hate he
19:41.25thebigdogher
19:42.08thebigdognow that is what im talking about
19:42.22mindjujumgeary, i know for a fact thebigdog doesn't like Debbie Gibson, cause i've seen Tiffany posts up in his office
19:42.27mindjujuand most people either liked the one, or the other
19:42.33mindjujubut not both
19:42.37thebigdoghehe
19:42.46mgearyoooh. Tiffany/Debbie Gibson deathmatch tonight at 7!
19:43.16fungusDebbie Gibson FTW!
19:43.28thebigdogmindjuju knows them all
19:43.29fungusI Think We're Alone Now
19:43.35thebigdoghe hits the concerts all the time
19:43.35mindjujuoh yeah!
19:43.44thebigdogi mean the mall concerts
19:43.44mindjujunice
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19:44.06thebigdoghehe
19:44.06mgearymmpf!!
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19:44.43thebigdogbwelker wants voice...should he get...next on opera
19:45.16mindjujudoes he?
19:45.24fungusBlasphemy.  It's spelled Oprah
19:45.27mindjujudoes he know about the dues he'll have to pay if he gets voice?
19:46.04mindjujuooooooohhhhh, Oprah, I thought it was Okra!
19:46.21mindjujubush
19:47.02mindjuju~fungus
19:47.03jbotwell, fungus is Kinda smelly, but grows on you, or a ASCII guru
19:47.26mindjujujbot, fungus is also an Okra fan
19:47.27jbotokay, mindjuju
19:47.43mindjuju~fungus
19:47.44jbotmethinks fungus is Kinda smelly, but grows on you, or a ASCII guru, or an Okra fan
19:48.13thebigdogi love doing that
19:51.40beandogokra?
19:52.29thebigdogopera or oprah
19:52.33thebigdogfor
19:53.17beandogoperah?
19:53.33thebigdogeven better
19:53.48beandoghmm, what the crap?
19:54.28mindjujudid you get another skid mark in your jockeys?
19:54.35beandogno, theres something on my notepad
19:54.48beandogI cant tell if its peanut butter or chocolate
19:54.56beandogeither way its making me hungry
19:55.00mindjujumaybe it's both?
19:56.57thebigdogreese
19:57.44mgearyhey! your chocolate is in my peanut butter!
20:04.55beandogwhats a dalek
20:04.55mindjujuhonest?
20:04.55beandog~dalek
20:04.56jbotfrom memory, dalek is a fictional extraterrestrial race of mutants from the British science fiction television series Doctor Who. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek
20:04.56beandogI know its something related to Dr. Who
20:04.56beandogbut thas about it.
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20:13.36jnbekOpeth?? oh.. Opera :-/
20:14.58beandogthe idea was so jarring it made him go back to work
20:15.11beandogI think we're onto something, mindjuju
20:15.25mindjujuhuh?
20:15.35beandogbuh
20:15.47mindjujucause i'm too legit to quit
20:17.17beandogoh gawsh
20:26.14thebigdogmindjuju, needs to see It's all Gone Pete Tong
20:26.35mindjujuyeah, heard of it, but haven't seen it
20:27.19thebigdoglooks good
20:34.25mgearyokay folks, got a strange question from a friend
20:34.37mgearyhe's given some code to the client, and the client has installed it on their server
20:35.03mgearythe code takes < 3 seconds to process on my friend's server, and > 1 minute on the client's
20:36.06mgearyany suggestions on where to look for clues? He's using smarty and getting the entire HTML to output before sending anything, so in theory once the browser starts receiving *anything* it should receive *everything * very quickly, but that's not the case. The browser starts receiving, and then there are some significant delays
20:52.07timinatortrue that
20:52.17mgearybut they're the least of most evils
20:52.51mgeary"here's your 7mbps dsl connection. Oh, by the way, it's got a 678kbps upload speed"
20:53.10timinatorI seriously spent 1 hour and 52 minutes on their tech support lines for them to tell me that their line's down, and I need to pay them $99 for a service call for them to fix their line
20:53.54timinatorroughly 1hr 52min, cause I called them at 1
20:54.41SunSparcI avoid calling Qwest at all costs.
20:55.04timinatorI guess I will avoid it in the future too
20:55.48timinatorok, better now  :)
20:56.38beandogmgeary, the least?
20:56.54mgearywell, you couldn't pay me to deal with Comcast
20:57.25beandogmgeary, it's comcastic
20:57.28mgearyand Veracity is the devil itself
20:57.35beandogVeracity?
20:57.40mgearylocal VOIP vendor
20:57.43beandogLet's all switch to Utopia!
20:57.48SunSparcamen!
20:58.10SunSparcI have been trying to for several years.  they keep saying they will be in my area next year.
20:59.25beandogSunSparc, poopy
20:59.35beandogI wish we could do that with our taxes
20:59.42SunSparc:)
21:00.13SunSparcTalk to your city council and see how many names you need to convince them to jump on the bandwagon
21:00.33SunSparcThen start collecting name for the petition
21:01.14SunSparcIf you are a city member you have a say.  Enough city members get together and say it the council will have to listen.
21:01.32fungusTheoretically.
21:01.37beandogthat suspiciously sounds like work
21:01.44beandogcan you make it seem more fun?
21:01.47SunSparcI am not sure how it got through in Orem, except that Orem has alway done their best to be technologically advanced
21:02.10fungusI happen to live in the Salt Lake City limits, so I am totally screwed.
21:02.10SunSparcbeandog: :)  Have everyone bring light sabers.
21:02.18beandogheh
21:02.20SunSparcfungus: hehe, yes you are
21:02.32beandogfungus, you do?
21:02.34timinatorlight sabers would get some stuff done
21:02.56SunSparcYep, everyone respects the light saber, or perishes
21:03.01beandogSunSparc, technologically advanced?  how so
21:03.17mgearysssh, don't tell him about the MagLev™ sysgtem
21:03.18mgearysystem
21:03.33SunSparcmgeary: You just told him!  Doh!
21:03.43mgearyah, dangit
21:04.36SunSparcbeandog: The people on our city council are pretty young and fairly conservative and we have a lot of youth in Orem.  They also attract a lot of businesses so city budgets are decent.
21:04.58SunSparcThey try to keep the city looking nice and clean and do a really good job.
21:04.58beandogplus, its right next to Orem, so they wanna be cooler than them.
21:05.01beandoger, Provo
21:05.02beandogsheesh
21:05.31SunSparcbeandog: We don't even have to try, we are on a hill.  We look down on Provo.  ;)
21:05.57SunSparcProvo gets our table scraps
21:06.07mgearyhey
21:06.14mindjuju~tunafart provo
21:06.15jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to provo, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
21:06.22mindjujuprovo is down-wind
21:06.22SunSparclol
21:06.26mindjujuerr, oops!
21:06.35SunSparcsorry mgeary
21:06.43mindjujuwait, i thought you were in orem?
21:06.47SunSparcProvo is actually doing a lot to improve their city also.
21:06.49mindjujuor is that just where TLG is?
21:06.50mgearygranted, i wouldn't want to live anywhere in Provo but the north-east corner
21:06.53mgearyright, TLG is in Orem
21:07.02mgearyfortunately, i DO live in the north-east corner of Provo
21:07.28SunSparcmgeary: That is the flood zone.
21:07.35mgearyno
21:07.39SunSparcUnless you are on the bench
21:07.42mgearyright
21:07.42timinatorso... who IS a good ISP in Ogden?
21:07.59timinatorcause I have 2 Comcast lines (office & home)
21:08.23SunSparcmgeary: That is cool.  I want wilderness for backyard.
21:08.25timinatorplus the Qwest line at my client/boss's house
21:08.36timinatorand I hate them all
21:09.15SunSparctiminator: Are there any wireless providers in your area?
21:09.36timinatorlike line of sight stuff? ya, Digis
21:09.45SunSparcyeah
21:09.45timinatorbut don't they use a phone line for uploading?
21:09.52SunSparcNope
21:09.59timinatoroh
21:10.02SunSparcNot that I am aware.
21:10.12SunSparcThat is satallite services
21:10.23SunSparciirc
21:10.34beandogtiminator, AOL
21:10.38timinatorso, Digis is good? anyone have one of those line of sight connections? how do they hold up in heavy weather??
21:10.42beandogits america, online!
21:10.47timinator*scoff AOL
21:11.17timinatordid you see thewebsiteisdown.com?
21:11.31timinator"but I have like four thousand hours"
21:11.42timinator"can you transfer my hours?"
21:12.12thebigdogtiminator, i use xmission
21:12.24timinatorXM DSL?
21:12.26mgearyi have heard of zero good experiences with wireless-based ISPs
21:12.30thebigdogtiminator, yep
21:12.58timinatorwhat speed? how much? how's the service?
21:13.09beandogmgeary, I felt great when I finally got rid of them, does that count?
21:13.11SunSparctiminator: My neighbors have Digis (if not one of the other wireless boys).  They have been happy and the antenna/dish is small
21:13.28mgearywireless ISPs generally suffer from huge latency issues
21:13.50thebigdogtiminator, i pay about $25.50 for the isp portion
21:13.57SunSparcMy neighbors are not power users, so they may be a bad statistic for you
21:14.05thebigdogthat is with a 4subnet mask
21:14.08beandogmgeary, we had it at a job once, the big problem was it would just drop all the time
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21:15.07SunSparcbeandog: http://www.dslreports.com/comments/2310
21:15.29beandogt-u-r-t-l-e *power*
21:15.39thebigdogtiminator, i can only get 3mbps at my house
21:15.45thebigdogi wish i could get 7
21:16.07beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFsTr0kGAqU
21:16.11beandogclassic.
21:16.38SunSparcbeandog: I love that song
21:16.56bwelkernice
21:17.14timinatorComcast is 7, but isn't that a different type of measurement because of the type of line??
21:17.30timinatorthebigdog: what's your upload speed?
21:18.11thebigdoglike half or a quarter
21:18.36beandogtwo bids
21:19.33fungustiminator: T1 is only 1.5
21:19.44beandogjust as fast as DSL
21:19.44fungusAlthough it is both down and *up*
21:19.56beandogwell, some DSL.
21:19.56fungusand cost tons more
21:20.02beandogyahps
21:20.04beandogits worth it though.
21:20.24fungusIt is if you want very stable, low latency.
21:20.38beandogits only like $500/mo or so
21:20.48fungusyeah, *only*
21:21.03timinator"Starting at $249/month plus initial setup charges"
21:21.10timinator-XMission web site
21:21.23beandogI remember at my old job we had something like 4 T1 lines, and we were using like 25 megs of bandwidth a month.
21:21.24fungusemphasis on "Starting"
21:21.33fungusPart of that depends on how far you are from a CO
21:22.39thebigdogi would love a burstable t1 for my home
21:22.50mindjujuanybody want to troubleshoot a flash issue with me?
21:22.55mindjujuplease!
21:23.13SunSparcmindjuju: Ask and see
21:23.13fungusIn our Orem office we switched them to Utopia+XM.  
21:23.20fungusLatency of <4ms
21:23.34SunSparcfungus: Perfect for CoD4
21:23.58fungusSurprisingly it had lower latency than the T1 they were on before.
21:24.13thebigdognice too bad i dont have utopia in my city
21:24.28fungusAlthough that was a pretty long distance T1, Orem to West Valley
21:25.39bwelkeralthough mstar customer service is seriously crappy
21:26.11bwelkerbig can of alfalfa?
21:26.35beandogwith okra
21:26.39bwelkernice
21:26.42bwelkerfried okra
21:27.00bwelkeri need my recommended daily allowance of grease
21:27.33_psychic_bwelker: xmission support is awesome
21:27.37_psychic_they have an IRC channel
21:27.44_psychic_and everytime I call, I get a native english speaker.
21:27.50_psychic_Who knows something about IP networking.
21:27.58timinatorXMission rocks
21:28.12timinatorI use them for a colo server
21:28.19timinatorlove the service
21:29.42timinatorcourse, I've been paying a couple hundred bucks a month for a glorified power outlet and ethernet line
21:30.07fungusdon't forget the cooling
21:30.15timinatoryes, and the cool air
21:30.20timinatorhaha
21:30.34fungusUPS too
21:30.54fungusschweet bandwidth
21:31.05timinatoronly 40GB /mo
21:31.06tierraI think that's included in the 'glorified power outlet' part of the description
21:31.11timinatorI do think they should bump that up
21:31.19timinatorLOL
21:31.43tierrathey are way too expensive for the service imho... especially the bandwidth, but not excluding the other details
21:31.58fungusyeah, their b/w is pretty pricey.
21:32.14tierrathough support is definitely top-notch compared to any other datacenter
21:32.40timinatorya.... I keep two other servers specifically for large files
21:32.53timinatorand put my apps and DB on the XMission one
21:33.09beandoglarge files?
21:33.19beandoglike movies?
21:33.21tierrayou know, warez
21:33.27timinatorso, XMission pushes a 70kb html file, and my other servers push the images and vids
21:33.30timinatoryes
21:33.30tierrahehe
21:33.31beandogI figured he was a pirate
21:33.37timinatorLOL
21:33.42timinatorarrr matey
21:33.55timinatorpirate life for me
21:34.11beandogyo ho yo ho
21:34.16bwelkerwhat, you mean all those songs i got off the internet are not legal?
21:34.42bwelkerbut...   i pay for my internet, isn't that part of the price of internet?
21:34.51timinatorjust cause you have a server full of files, doesn't *mean* they're illegal
21:34.54timinatorLOL
21:34.59bwelkertrue...
21:35.19bwelkerbut just cause you have illegal files, doesn't mean all of them are
21:35.20timinatorpushing a m4v file of a sonogram up as we speak
21:35.24timinatorthat's nearly 50MB
21:35.25tierraspeaking of hosting, all of you have heard me rant about Linode before, but now I can actually get a referral bonus for it: http://www.linode.com/?r=9d93f8113d6ac60e97d0769efd6f167a812f620b
21:35.30tierra:)
21:35.33beandoga sonogram?
21:35.40timinatornot mine
21:35.41timinatorsheesh
21:35.55beandogtierra, their referral codes need to be cooler
21:35.57beandoglike the ones on tv
21:36.10bwelkercrazyfox.com/42
21:36.14beandogexactly
21:36.15timinatortierra, see if it's retroactive.... you told me about them a couple years ago, so I got an account
21:36.22beandog~bwelker++
21:36.25bwelkeryeah, those aren't easy to bypass at all
21:36.35tierratiminator: you and about 5 other people, heh...
21:36.39tierrahaha
21:36.42timinatorhaha
21:36.43timinatoryep
21:36.47bwelkeri like to enter random numbers and skew their marketing
21:37.09beandogI like to not visit their site and piss them off
21:37.17beandogbut watch the informercials anyway.
21:37.23tierraI did actually get a month free a year ago under the table :)
21:37.31beandogthen you give it three thumbs up on Tivo
21:40.31beandogI'll pay for it with my Money Train loan
21:40.34bwelkerbeandog...   yeah, i lied, i've never been to the site
21:41.15beandog~lie bwelker
21:42.19bwelker~lay bwelker
21:44.08bwelkerapparently jbot doesn't give out free lays
21:44.18timinatorhehe
21:44.22bwelker~pay jbot
21:44.24fungus~gender
21:44.25jbotI'm sexless
21:44.29bwelkerlies
21:44.50bwelkerjbot is a very feminine male
21:45.17timinatorshe sure talks a lot to be a dude
21:45.27bwelkerso do you
21:45.41timinatorlol
21:45.42bwelker;)
21:45.54fungus~gender
21:45.55jbotI'm female
21:45.58bwelkerlol
21:46.01bwelkernice
21:46.09bwelker~gender
21:46.10jbotI'm not sure
21:46.13bwelkernice
21:46.16SunSparc~gender bwelker
21:46.17jbotI heard bwelker is pregnant.
21:46.21bwelkeryes he is
21:46.23SunSparcLOL
21:46.23beandoglol
21:46.27bwelkeror at least looks that way
21:46.42timinatorlol
21:46.54beandog~gender mindjuju
21:46.55jbotI heard mindjuju is sexless.
21:47.09beandogno juju for you
21:47.30bwelkerunless you happen to be sexless as well, then you can go to the sexless parties with mindjuju
21:47.42bwelkerand have un-orgies
21:47.56bwelkerwhere eveybody just stands around and talks about PHP
21:48.00bwelkerwait...
21:48.09mgearynah, we don't talk about PHP
21:48.09timinatorso, if you check XMission prices, it appears that you're still going through Qwest in the end:   http://xmission.com/about/pricing/
21:48.26timinatorLOL
21:48.26mgearyfor DSL, yes
21:48.26beandogtiminator, yah, I think they are eventually going to lease the lines directly though so they dont have to
21:48.29bwelkerwe watch Dr. Horrible episodes
21:48.32beandogall roads lead to Qwest
21:48.37beandogeven Comcast piggy backs on it.
21:48.39beandogdidnt you know?
21:48.43timinatorno
21:48.46beandogshh.
21:48.52timinator~flip Qwest
21:48.52jbotACTION gives Qwest the .|.. ..|.
21:48.55beandogif you have to contradict me, do it quietly
21:49.04timinatorand that was *not* given in love
21:49.08timinator~flip thebigdog
21:49.08jbotACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|.
21:49.12timinatorthat one was  :)
21:49.19beandogheh
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21:49.42thebigdogthat was given with love too
21:50.04timinatorI bet
21:50.06timinator:)
21:50.07SunSparcI felt it
21:50.10beandognow_playing[Main Title - Moonraker] length[0:04/3:12]
21:50.12thebigdogmuch love
21:50.43tierratiminator: ok, counting you, there's 7 people total that I've referred, heh
21:51.12timinatoryou should get a free year, not a free month
21:51.13tierra6 of them are still using it and have been for at least over a year (assuming you are still using it too)
21:51.24tierra1 stopped using it
21:51.25timinatoryes
21:51.40timinatorI had the largest plan avail.... for several months
21:51.45timinatorbut it wasn't hacking it
21:52.04timinatorso, I got one at XMission, then dropped my Linode to the middle plan
21:52.08timinatorhad it ever sense
21:53.13tierraare you at TP?
21:53.21timinatorTP?
21:53.23tierraall of my referrals are at TP somehow
21:53.26timinatorguess not
21:53.26tierraThe Planet
21:53.29timinatorno
21:54.45timinatorI'm independent.... 1 main clint, half a dozen other consistant clients, and a few one night stands (as far as work goes)
21:54.52tierraI mean, is your Linode at the The Planet
21:54.58timinatoroh
21:55.00timinatorI dunno
21:55.03timinatorwas in TN
21:55.09timinatornow it's in Cali I think
21:55.20timinatorthey moved it w/o my knowledge
21:55.29tierraLinode is based out of TN, but the actual Linodes are in one of 3 datacenters
21:56.20tierraeither The Planet in TX, Hurricane Electric in CA, or Atlanta NAP in GA
21:56.41timinatorI'm in Hurricane Electric then.....
21:56.58tierraFreemont, CA
21:58.17thebigdoghehe
21:58.36mindjujuah Wordpress!  I stab at thee!!!!!
21:58.56tierratiminator: it'd be hard for them to move it without your knowledge since it would require changing your IP
21:59.06tierrayou'd notice, heh
21:59.44mindjujudie wordpress!
21:59.46timinatorhmm.... well I noticed it because the timezone had changed.... so all my date()'s were off
22:00.04timinatorthen I looked into it, and saw that it was in Cali
22:00.07timinatorno big though
22:00.13tierrayour timezone changed? that's controlled by your own distribution
22:00.22tierraheh
22:00.30timinatorhuh
22:00.33timinatorcrazy
22:00.59timinatorso, I was in Cali the whole time
22:01.04tierraheh, probably
22:01.09timinatorLOL
22:02.29tierraif you switched back down to a smaller linode plan, that could have moved you, but they usually still keep you in the same datacenter unless you request a move
22:02.58tierrasince the whole IP change thing...
22:07.09timinatormight be
22:07.23timinatorno biggie either way
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22:20.28SunSparcbrasto: Welcome
22:29.24macnewbold~rlart
22:29.25jbottakes a big bite out of mindjuju's jugular vein
22:29.29macnewbold~lart unfun projects
22:29.29jbotplops unfun projects into a giant vat of herring
22:29.38beandogthe unfun has begun!
22:30.07macnewboldanyone else hear dealing with an unfun project, boss/client, coworker, etc?
22:31.39thebigdogmacnewbold, that is always the case it seems
22:35.15beandogI got my butt handed to me in Civilization
22:35.17beandogdoes that count?
22:35.19fungusYes, MS Exchange is the bane of my existence.
22:39.02SunSparc~hate MS
22:39.03jbotHey sunsparc, ,,|,
22:39.09SunSparclol
22:39.30beandoglol
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22:50.58timinatorI'm out.... later guys
22:51.19SunSparcme too
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