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| 14:18.07 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.27 | bwelker | nope |
| 14:18.35 | mindjuju | hey bwelker |
| 14:18.38 | mindjuju | quick question |
| 14:18.41 | bwelker | yes |
| 14:18.54 | mindjuju | if i have a bad power supply, would the green led on the motherboard light up |
| 14:19.05 | bwelker | depends on how bad the PS is |
| 14:19.07 | mindjuju | i thought the led was to indicate that power good, power supply good |
| 14:19.09 | bwelker | but i wdoubt it |
| 14:19.16 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 14:19.31 | bwelker | the green led on the motherboard is for the video card i think, but it all depend son the MB |
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| 14:38.35 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: you can have a power supply that's only partially failing |
| 14:39.02 | mindjuju | yeah, i think that is what is going on in this case |
| 14:39.08 | mindjuju | was looking at asus website |
| 14:39.26 | mindjuju | says that green is for power to mobo |
| 14:39.36 | mindjuju | what a monday! |
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| 14:43.50 | timinator | morning gents |
| 14:46.31 | bwelker | mindjuju: yeah, i saw that too, sorry, i was mistaken |
| 14:46.47 | bwelker | it says it's the 5v line |
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| 15:30.51 | mindjuju | ~thebigdog |
| 15:30.52 | jbot | thebigdog is, like, the postgreSQL guru, a GWAR groupie, or secretly loves AOL, or a lover of cursors, or now 33. Frank Black |
| 15:31.18 | mindjuju | ~macnewbold |
| 15:31.19 | jbot | macnewbold is probably a nice person, or very good in stew. Cookie Monster, or an ibot abuser |
| 15:31.39 | mindjuju | obviously crafted by macnewbold |
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| 16:15.06 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 16:20.54 | Utah_Dave | que paso? |
| 16:21.29 | SunSparc | ~taunt wps |
| 16:21.30 | jbot | ACTION taunts wps a second time |
| 16:21.35 | wps | I'm not sure if it is our the fault of our in-house phone guy or our AT&T corporate account manager, but the process went so slowly that all iPhones are sold out nation-wide (all AT&T stores and Apple Stores, out of stock) |
| 16:22.47 | SunSparc | ~lart wps' in-house phone guy or our AT&T corporate account manager |
| 16:22.47 | jbot | blasts wps' in-house phone guy or our AT&T corporate account manager to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 16:23.04 | wps | thanks |
| 16:23.15 | wps | what's the keystroke to make that mad face that dataw0lf does? |
| 16:23.45 | mgeary | :x |
| 16:23.48 | mgeary | ? |
| 16:23.54 | wps | that's the one |
| 16:23.54 | mindjuju | :@ |
| 16:23.56 | mgeary | : x |
| 16:24.01 | wps | :x |
| 16:24.07 | wps | :@ |
| 16:24.10 | wps | it's the x |
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| 16:26.26 | SunSparc | ~mad |
| 16:26.26 | jbot | rumour has it, mad is Rob Leslie's MPEG Audio Decoder, GPL, at http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/ |
| 16:26.39 | SunSparc | jbot, mad is also :x |
| 16:26.40 | jbot | okay, SunSparc |
| 16:27.36 | SunSparc | ~mad wps |
| 16:27.45 | SunSparc | just checking |
| 16:27.46 | SunSparc | ~mad |
| 16:27.47 | jbot | well, mad is Rob Leslie's MPEG Audio Decoder, GPL, at http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/, or :x |
| 16:27.51 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 18:05.41 | timinator | anyone need a copy of The Zen of CSS? |
| 18:06.06 | timinator | or in the market for an iPod 80gig? |
| 18:08.52 | mgeary | ~usedcarsalesman timinator |
| 18:08.55 | mgeary | ;) |
| 18:09.10 | mgeary | i can recommend both of those products, fwiw |
| 18:09.13 | mgeary | heya |
| 18:09.19 | mgeary | i thought it was an iTouch |
| 18:09.24 | mgeary | not an ipod@80 |
| 18:10.08 | timinator | I have both for sale :) |
| 18:10.20 | timinator | 16gig Touch and an 80 Black iPod |
| 18:10.28 | mgeary | ~garagesale timinator |
| 18:10.37 | timinator | I know, huh |
| 18:10.51 | mgeary | what're you asking for the ipod? |
| 18:11.41 | timinator | 80gig? 200 |
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| 18:13.40 | mgeary | question for y'all. i've got a friend with a currently completely static site (~30 pages). They want me to help change a CSS menu that's on every page. I'd love to make this an include, but if i use php, i either need to rename all the pages to .php or change the virtual host so .htm files get processed by the php module... |
| 18:14.34 | mgeary | ...anyone got any other nice ideas? I could do a JS file, but that'd require reworking/rebuilding the menu. I could possibly do an apache include, but i'm fairly unfamiliar with those... |
| 18:14.44 | SunSparc | mgeary: You are going to have to edit every page anyway, you might as well change the extension while you are at it. |
| 18:14.50 | wps | agreed |
| 18:14.56 | mgeary | SunSparc: no, because then i also have to change ALL links |
| 18:15.04 | mgeary | which is a much bigger change |
| 18:15.08 | mgeary | bleh |
| 18:15.19 | wps | make the server parse .html then |
| 18:15.24 | DexterTheDragon | all you need is a little grep/awk/sed foo |
| 18:15.26 | SunSparc | Should not be too bad with a nice find/replace util |
| 18:15.30 | timinator | if you change the virtual host to push htm files through the PHP parser, it opens the door to do more work with them, and it doesn't seem (to them) that you're changing their entire way of doing things |
| 18:15.42 | SunSparc | vim has s/old/new/ :) |
| 18:16.05 | DexterTheDragon | :%s/old/new/ |
| 18:16.19 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: Right, thanks |
| 18:16.28 | mgeary | nope |
| 18:16.47 | tierra | you could use Server Side Includes |
| 18:16.55 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 18:16.56 | mgeary | tierra: that's what i'm thinking |
| 18:17.18 | mgeary | don't like those. Yes, i can do a find/replace, but with these people, there's a 70% chance they'll overwrite what i do in a week anyway |
| 18:17.36 | DexterTheDragon | svn? |
| 18:17.40 | SunSparc | Slap their hands |
| 18:17.49 | mgeary | ~welcometotherealworld SunSparc |
| 18:17.52 | mgeary | ;) |
| 18:17.55 | SunSparc | lol |
| 18:18.23 | tierra | I had the same issue with the people we hired out to do our site design, and they required FTP access to our site... so I threw it in SVN, and perodically checked for changes before I uploaded anything of my own |
| 18:18.26 | SunSparc | If they are overwriting everything then why change it at all? |
| 18:18.49 | SunSparc | ~svn++ |
| 18:18.58 | mgeary | SunSparc: too many people there have Dreamweaver. None of them think to synch before pushing a new change out |
| 18:18.59 | tierra | and yes, there were _several_ times when they had overwritten my changes |
| 18:19.09 | mgeary | yeah, svn isn't a bad idea at all |
| 18:19.22 | mgeary | except that it makes me have to digest any changes they make |
| 18:19.23 | mgeary | bleh |
| 18:19.29 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: won't they overwrite your 'CSS menu change' then? |
| 18:19.33 | mgeary | yes |
| 18:19.37 | mgeary | i'm planning on it |
| 18:19.38 | mgeary | ;) |
| 18:19.50 | SunSparc | Sounds more like a baby sitting job than a web dev project. |
| 18:20.00 | mgeary | it's not a "project", more like a favor |
| 18:20.05 | mgeary | no $ |
| 18:20.11 | SunSparc | Ah |
| 18:20.15 | SunSparc | I know all about those. |
| 18:20.18 | SunSparc | Run away, quick |
| 18:20.29 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:20.36 | mgeary | waaaaay too late |
| 18:20.46 | mgeary | now that i could use |
| 18:20.50 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 18:24.02 | SunSparc | mgeary: I don't understand what they would be overwriting. Do they all have local copies that they edit and push to the server without collaborating? |
| 18:24.08 | mgeary | oh yes |
| 18:24.11 | mgeary | often |
| 18:24.28 | SunSparc | You have to be kidding me |
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| 18:25.30 | SunSparc | mgeary: I am so so so very sorry. Can I get you a pillow or some curry wurst or something? |
| 18:25.52 | SunSparc | Lebekucken? |
| 18:28.08 | SunSparc | Mmmmm, I would really enjoy a good Döner right now too... |
| 18:28.33 | mgeary | ...in the state |
| 18:28.40 | SunSparc | seriously |
| 18:29.24 | SunSparc | Hmmm... http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080623003003AA3eDyF |
| 18:29.47 | mgeary | hmm |
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| 18:30.11 | mgeary | how far from the freeway is that? |
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| 18:31.04 | mgeary | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=12600+S+2778+W,+Riverton,+UT&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.744674,60.732422&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=x&ll=40.52326,-111.959224&spn=0.021074,0.029655&z=15 |
| 18:31.08 | mgeary | even a pic |
| 18:31.45 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 18:31.52 | mgeary | 123 S exit, turn west, for ~2 miles |
| 18:32.05 | SunSparc | I think I might need to make a pilgrimage... |
| 18:32.14 | mgeary | i'd actually come to that one |
| 18:32.24 | SunSparc | mindjuju? |
| 18:32.37 | wps | what is the colon doing here? |
| 18:32.37 | wps | <?php while (have_posts()) : the_post(); ?> |
| 18:32.48 | mgeary | ugh |
| 18:32.51 | SunSparc | shorthand notation |
| 18:32.53 | mgeary | that's almost as bad as perl |
| 18:32.56 | mgeary | ternary operator |
| 18:32.57 | wps | idiot notation |
| 18:33.05 | mgeary | it's the same as: |
| 18:33.05 | SunSparc | wps: Yeah, I hate the notation |
| 18:33.14 | wps | illegible |
| 18:33.17 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:33.21 | SunSparc | Some devs I know love it. |
| 18:33.27 | mgeary | "gee, let's see how few lines of code i can use" |
| 18:33.49 | wps | $this = (1 + 1 == 2) ? 'yes' : 'no; |
| 18:33.56 | wps | it's s short of that? |
| 18:35.38 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:35.44 | mgeary | put a ' after no |
| 18:35.47 | mgeary | ;) |
| 18:35.51 | wps | yeah |
| 18:36.00 | wps | so, in English, |
| 18:36.03 | wps | <?php while (have_posts()) : the_post(); ?> |
| 18:36.05 | wps | â¦means⦠|
| 18:36.23 | wps | while have_posts() returns false, do the_post() |
| 18:36.24 | wps | � |
| 18:36.30 | mgeary | no |
| 18:36.38 | mgeary | until have_posts() returns false, do the_post() |
| 18:36.49 | mgeary | but that's probably what you mean |
| 18:36.50 | mgeary | t |
| 18:37.14 | SunSparc | ~lart ternary operator notation |
| 18:37.14 | jbot | DoSes ternary operator notation |
| 18:38.25 | wps | so, are these the same? |
| 18:38.25 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/C9cG0r65.html |
| 18:39.10 | mgeary | y |
| 18:39.16 | wps | k |
| 18:39.16 | wps | thanks |
| 18:39.38 | wps | I'm all about using ternary for assigning variable valuesâ¦Â but in loops, that's stupid |
| 18:39.57 | wps | and breaking in and out of PHP like that is stupid |
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| 18:52.27 | olds | I love the ternary |
| 18:53.06 | mgeary | ~perlcode olds |
| 18:53.13 | wps | even with IFs and WHILEs, like this? |
| 18:53.13 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/5uV1gr18.html |
| 18:53.35 | wps | why typed out "endwhile" instead of just using a closing curly? |
| 18:54.14 | olds | I use the endwhile and endif style if I'm embedding loops with html |
| 18:54.26 | olds | so it's clear what the curly braces belong to |
| 18:54.35 | olds | in that case you posted, I wouldn't use them |
| 18:54.46 | olds | I'd use the normal curly braces |
| 18:55.09 | SunSparc | I comment all my closing curly braces |
| 18:55.23 | mgeary | that snippet is a perfect example of why using a template system, like smarty, is so useful |
| 18:55.50 | mindjuju | @sunsparc - huh? |
| 18:56.02 | wps | s/, like smarty,// |
| 18:56.03 | mgeary | it's about architecting the flow of your data. PHP functions should rarely, imo, return HTML. They should return *data* |
| 18:56.10 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Two votes for a geek lunch restaurant |
| 18:56.22 | mindjuju | ah, cool |
| 18:56.24 | mindjuju | where at? |
| 18:56.52 | SunSparc | mindjuju: http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080623003003AA3eDyF |
| 18:57.05 | SunSparc | See google maps link above from mgeary |
| 18:58.33 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 18:58.40 | mindjuju | never heard of donners |
| 18:58.42 | mindjuju | any good? |
| 18:58.49 | SunSparc | I hope so |
| 18:59.09 | SunSparc | Never been, but they have Döner's |
| 18:59.13 | SunSparc | So yummy |
| 18:59.40 | SunSparc | Oh, mgeary they have a web site: http://www.doonersgrille.com/ |
| 19:00.38 | SunSparc | Hmm, "Americanized versions of doner kebabs" |
| 19:00.49 | mindjuju | so, somebody sent me an email letting me know of a job with as a web dev with a national firm. pretty well known group. Anybody here looking for greener pastures, let me know and i'll pass the info |
| 19:00.49 | SunSparc | I wonder what that means |
| 19:00.59 | mindjuju | will be posting it to the job line here shortly |
| 19:01.53 | mgeary | Americanized??! |
| 19:02.09 | SunSparc | mgeary: Yeah, that means they probably messed it up. |
| 19:02.19 | wps | clicking the logo takes you to thing nice page: http://www.doonersgrille.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 |
| 19:02.23 | SunSparc | Although, I am still willing to try it. |
| 19:02.31 | mgeary | "prime rib, steak, pork, and chicken meats"?? |
| 19:02.32 | mindjuju | there are some things americanized that != bad |
| 19:02.37 | mgeary | where's the lamb?? |
| 19:02.50 | mindjuju | like General Tsao's Chicken |
| 19:02.59 | SunSparc | wps: That is cause they are using Joomla, hehe |
| 19:03.26 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Yeah, like the chimichanga ;) |
| 19:03.32 | SunSparc | And the Pizza |
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| 19:03.55 | mgeary | hmmm |
| 19:04.06 | mgeary | "grilled pita pockets" |
| 19:04.12 | mgeary | a Doner does NOT use pita bread |
| 19:04.16 | mgeary | that's a gyro |
| 19:04.46 | mgeary | totally |
| 19:07.44 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:07.46 | mgeary | so, are there any musicians here? |
| 19:07.57 | mgeary | any GarageBand users? |
| 19:08.07 | mgeary | with GB? |
| 19:08.18 | wps | I am, mgeary, but have only used GB a little |
| 19:08.31 | mindjuju | I heard Orin Hatch uses GarageBand |
| 19:08.47 | SunSparc | mgeary: I have only used GB to see what it is and to make a ringtone or two. |
| 19:08.53 | mgeary | totally |
| 19:09.03 | mgeary | for his 8th birthday, we got my son a USB midi keyboard, so he can compose multi-track pieces |
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| 19:09.16 | SunSparc | I don't have the new version of GB which I heard is wicked sick |
| 19:09.16 | mgeary | i'm trying to figure it all out |
| 19:09.48 | wps | GB is a great application |
| 19:10.33 | mgeary | wps: do you use it with a midi keyboard? |
| 19:10.42 | wps | yes |
| 19:11.01 | mgeary | what keyboard manufacturer? |
| 19:11.08 | wps | Roland |
| 19:11.13 | mgeary | snob |
| 19:11.18 | wps | :) |
| 19:11.24 | mgeary | ;) we got my son this: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Oxygen49-main.html |
| 19:11.26 | wps | I paid 5K for mine |
| 19:11.56 | wps | but I have been playing piano for twenty-five years |
| 19:12.03 | mgeary | ^^ that's supposed to be a pretty decent entry-level device |
| 19:12.05 | wps | that keyboard looks like it would be great for a kid starting out |
| 19:13.15 | mgeary | so, help me understand exactly what this keyboard brings to the table. It doesn't add any more instruments to GB, right? It just gives you much more control over how you add notes |
| 19:14.08 | wps | correct |
| 19:14.38 | wps | if you are only going to be using the keyboard with GB, then you don't need a fancy keyboard |
| 19:14.49 | wps | the keyboard is just like a mouse on a computerâ¦Â it's just an input device |
| 19:14.49 | mgeary | should the keyboard have some sort of volume control? I've maxed all the volume controls on the computer, and the output is still really soft |
| 19:15.24 | wps | hmmâ¦Â that'd be hard to answer without seeing how you have it set up |
| 19:15.32 | mgeary | keyboard-->computer :) |
| 19:15.47 | mgeary | it's just plugged in via usb |
| 19:15.53 | mgeary | bus-powered |
| 19:16.04 | wps | VW bus? |
| 19:16.12 | mgeary | close. USB |
| 19:16.19 | wps | (/me adds to the German over-tones in this channel) |
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| 20:27.23 | wps | I know that you are not privy to what the functions here are doing, but can anyone see any reason why the second example (in this paste bin) doesn't work? |
| 20:27.24 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/vT864Z46.html |
| 20:29.55 | SunSparc | It looks like the only difference is $counter |
| 20:30.04 | SunSparc | Hmmm |
| 20:30.32 | wps | I found a work-around |
| 20:30.32 | SunSparc | Does it give an error? Or just crashes? |
| 20:30.32 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/f3yWOP25.html |
| 20:30.37 | wps | just crashes |
| 20:30.47 | wps | the browser loads and loads until the server times out |
| 20:30.55 | DexterTheDragon | try if ( ($counter + 1) == 2 ) { |
| 20:30.57 | wps | (line 5) |
| 20:31.25 | SunSparc | Yeah, I was thinking the same. Enclose that operation |
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| 20:39.42 | dataw0lf | http://gizmodo.com/5027302/how-to-get-refunded-on-prepackaged-vista |
| 20:40.47 | wps | that's awesome |
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| 21:48.20 | wps | I have a function that I cannot change |
| 21:48.29 | wps | this function echos out HTML instead of returning it |
| 21:48.52 | wps | I need to assign it to a variable instead, so obviously $var = function(); does not work |
| 21:49.03 | _psychic_ | can you use the output buffer? |
| 21:49.14 | wps | is there a way to capture what it is prtining out with the buffer somehow? |
| 21:49.34 | wps | I don't have much experience with that, _psychic_, do you? |
| 21:49.54 | _psychic_ | a bit |
| 21:50.01 | _psychic_ | http://us3.php.net/ob_start |
| 21:50.09 | wps | thanksâ¦Â I'll look |
| 21:50.20 | _psychic_ | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.ob-get-contents.php |
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| 22:11.38 | _psychic_ | Anyone here know what authorize.net's pricing is like? |
| 22:11.43 | _psychic_ | (per transaction) |
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| 22:31.22 | bwelker | ping room |
| 22:31.33 | timinator | is there a way to convert a decimal number to a fraction? (ex. 118.25 => 118 1/4) |
| 22:31.51 | bwelker | yeah, find the LCM and then do some fnacy algebra |
| 22:32.03 | timinator | rather: is there a simple function for converting? |
| 22:32.09 | wps | PING wps (216.167.124.132): 56 data bytes |
| 22:32.10 | bwelker | not in PHP |
| 22:32.24 | timinator | :/ |
| 22:32.26 | timinator | sucky |
| 22:32.28 | bwelker | you run into rounding errors |
| 22:32.29 | wps | 64 bytes from 216.167.124.132: icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=42.625 ms |
| 22:32.30 | wps | 64 bytes from 216.167.124.132: icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=42.625 ms |
| 22:32.54 | bwelker | depends on how accurate you want it |
| 22:33.17 | bwelker | but you still have to create your own |
| 22:33.20 | timinator | 5 digits beyond the decimal |
| 22:33.26 | timinator | no big, I can do that |
| 22:33.33 | bwelker | to like 1/10000 |
| 22:33.37 | bwelker | ? |
| 22:33.40 | timinator | y |
| 22:33.44 | bwelker | geez |
| 22:34.16 | bwelker | yeah, you'd have to find the LCM, and then reduce |
| 22:34.42 | timinator | k |
| 22:39.22 | bwelker | sorry, GCM, not LCM |
| 22:39.31 | bwelker | or GCF |
| 22:46.26 | orsonj | strange, my cpu utilization is 100% and if I close the particular program, another picks up the slack, keeping the cpu pegged. |
| 22:46.42 | bwelker | sweet |
| 23:07.43 | timinator | I'm out guys..... later |
| 23:07.51 | bwelker | dangit |
| 23:08.57 | bwelker | http://uphpu.pastebin.com/f776efc9a |
| 23:09.03 | bwelker | i barely finish this, and he leaves |
| 23:09.14 | bwelker | somebody who knows his email, let him know |
| 23:09.41 | wps | ouch |
| 23:10.12 | bwelker | oh well |
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| 23:17.47 | wps | kâ¦Â stupid question |
| 23:18.31 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/RjlSTp45.html |
| 23:18.37 | wps | how do you access something in a class object? |
| 23:18.47 | wps | $category->0['term_id'] doesn't work |
| 23:19.03 | bwelker | are you setting your session before you're including your class file? |
| 23:19.21 | wps | I believe so⦠what would sessions have to do with this? |
| 23:19.23 | DexterTheDragon | what did you var_dump? |
| 23:19.42 | wps | what you see is |
| 23:19.42 | wps | print_r($category);die; |
| 23:19.48 | bwelker | if the class data is stored in session, you need to include your class file before you start your session |
| 23:19.54 | wps | it's not in a session |
| 23:20.01 | DexterTheDragon | it should just be like $category->term_id |
| 23:20.37 | bwelker | try $category[0]->term_id |
| 23:20.38 | DexterTheDragon | or it could be $category[0]->term_id |
| 23:20.41 | thebigdog | or $category[0]->term_id; |
| 23:20.45 | bwelker | i win |
| 23:20.51 | thebigdog | yes |
| 23:20.55 | DexterTheDragon | or $category[0]['term_id'] |
| 23:20.58 | wps | bingo |
| 23:20.59 | wps | that's it |
| 23:21.07 | wps | $category[0]->term_id; |
| 23:21.10 | wps | thanks everyone |
| 23:21.13 | bwelker | np |
| 23:21.21 | thebigdog | wps why make it an array? |
| 23:21.31 | wps | I don't like DB queries returned as objects |
| 23:21.33 | bwelker | how are you building that class? why isn't it a specific class? |
| 23:21.41 | bwelker | ahhh it's a db return |
| 23:21.55 | wps | unforuntately, I don't have any control over it |
| 23:22.03 | wps | it's how WordPress returns all DB queries |
| 23:22.08 | wps | :( |
| 23:22.16 | bwelker | stoopid wordpress |
| 23:22.37 | bwelker | everybody should just use b2 |
| 23:22.44 | wps | b2? |
| 23:23.03 | bwelker | wordpress' precursor |
| 23:23.11 | bwelker | it's really old |
| 23:23.19 | bwelker | it was a joke |
| 23:23.23 | wps | ah |
| 23:23.34 | wps | I have mixed opinions on WP |
| 23:23.55 | wps | overall, it's pretty goodâ¦Â but there are a few architectural things that I don't agree with |
| 23:24.15 | wps | their plugin API is very nice |
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