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00:06.12fungusInserts into a BLACKHOLE table do not store any data, but if the binary log is enabled, the SQL statements are logged (and replicated to slave servers). This can be useful as a repeater or filter mechanism.
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05:30.39bwelkeranyone about?
05:31.14bwelker~echo hello
05:31.14jbothello
05:40.17mindjujuhey bwelker, i'm here but only for a moment
05:54.40bwelkerhmm...  thanks, but i think i got it, if i have any problems, I'll let you know
05:59.37bwelkeranybody see anything glaringly wrong with the following method of doing things?  it's the first time I've done anything like this, and I'm not sure if it's safe/correct/proper/etc
06:00.00bwelkerhttp://uphpu.pastebin.com/m7930ac8
06:04.01bwelkerthere also seems to be a random instance of a mailto link for Paul Dixon floating around in my code...   strange...  ignore it if you see it
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13:15.52*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Geek Lunch Today ! @ 1:30p @ Tucanos @ The Gateway | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
13:16.02mindjujuman, am i glad its friday
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15:19.23DexterTheDragon~w00t geek lunch
15:19.24jbotstfu, geek lunch
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15:19.35DexterTheDragonjbot: stfu u
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15:34.57bwelkernor spell correctly
15:35.55mindjujufunny you say that
15:36.08mindjujui'm actually in charge of the company birthday party for july
15:36.17mindjujuso making birthday cards from lolcats
15:36.46wpshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox5wPvhnmAA&feature=related
15:36.46mindjujuURL, i mean
15:38.14bwelkerholy snap, where did you find that?!?
15:38.22mindjujuis that you?
15:38.32bwelkeri'm the one kicking butt
15:39.05bwelkerno that's not me, pretty funny though
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15:40.53bwelkeri weight a bit more than 119#, 'bout double, but not quite double
15:42.36_psychic_yeah so I always wanted to do this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/2658069261/
15:43.09bwelkerbooyah
15:44.13bwelkerthere was a time when my website displayed an error about IE...   took it down though, internets should be accessible by all, even the ones who don't know any better
15:48.06_psychic_I think it's bad practice, personally, but it doesn't mean I always wanted to do it.
15:50.11bwelkeroh yeah, i wish i could just totally bork people who come to my site (anything i build really) with IE and pretty much force them to switch to something better, but i hold myself back
15:57.48bwelkerbrilliant idea #12 (i dont have many): store password in the db as plain text but force users to have 32-byte hexadecimal passwords, sit back and watch hackers try to break them
16:05.46SunSparcbwelker:  Nice
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16:07.22bwelkerwhat, you can't remember d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e
16:07.50SunSparcSure I can.  That is what copy and paste is for.  ;)
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16:18.29redroyanybody trying me.com?
16:19.09redroyI'm getting Http/1.1 Service Unavailable ....
16:19.25unumisn't that a sco site?
16:21.03mindjujui think me.com is with the iphone 3g isn't it?
16:21.32mindjujugizmodo reports the apple servers took a hard one to the jimmies and nobody is able to activate at this time, or few, or something
16:22.51mindjujuglad i'm not in line, i'd be bummed - http://gizmodo.com/5024187/apple-and-att-stores-having-difficulty-activating-iphones
16:24.59redroyno joke, I just signed up for the trail version me.com and it died...
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16:38.14mgeary~yow
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16:38.49timinatormorning guys
16:38.51mgearyWe're on a bridge, Charlie!
16:39.00timinatorShe's dead, Jim
16:39.10timinator</McCoy>
16:39.12SunSparcBut not as we know it.
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16:45.52SunSparcOk, Pandora fans.
16:46.06SunSparcApparently there is a Pandora app for the iPhone now!
16:46.16thebigdogncie
16:46.19SunSparcThanks to the new 2.0 iPhone update.
16:46.25SunSparcYeah, baby.
16:49.03carmonyomg....
16:49.12carmonyapple just bricked my iphone.
16:49.17oldsnew iphone is nice
16:49.24SunSparccarmony: How?
16:49.26oldsfeels good in the hand, looks beautiful
16:49.30SunSparcolds: You have?
16:49.58carmonyokay, so thats a little exaturated(sp?). I updated my iPhone to the new 2.0 softwarte
16:50.07carmonyand now my iTunes is trying to contact the apple store
16:50.12oldsjes
16:50.13oldsI has
16:50.16carmonyto finish the update
16:50.18carmonyand its dying
16:50.28carmonyand my iphoen i just sitting there saying "Connect to iTunes"
16:50.51SunSparccarmony: the Apple servers are being /.ed
16:50.57SunSparcDOS  :)
16:51.03SunSparcJust be patient
16:51.03carmonyI know :(
16:51.25SunSparcolds: Does if feel even better than the original iPhone?
16:51.37carmonybut I can't use my phone, which is irritating! I thought that if the iphone download was done and thats all I needed I would be fine.
16:52.00oldsnew one is lighter
16:52.08oldsand feels thinner
16:52.12oldsthe tapered corners are nice
16:52.18SunSparcLighter?  Wow.
16:52.28SunSparcBack is black, correct?
16:52.41oldsyea
16:52.47oldsmagnet for finger prints
16:52.48SunSparcMetal, or plastic?
16:53.10oldsplastic, but feels sturdy
16:53.35SunSparcHmmm
16:53.46oldsyea feels nice
16:54.14SunSparcMy wife wants me to get one so she can have my old one.
16:54.38SunSparcI kinda like the metal though.
16:55.02oldsthe new one feels nicer
16:55.13SunSparcI am going to have to go handle it.
16:55.52oldshmph, the weight difference is actually 2 grams
16:56.02oldsbut the tapered edges make it feel like more
16:56.36SunSparcAnother score for Apple.
16:57.59oldsthe itunes activation is a massive fail right now though
16:58.04carmonymy wife is going to get the new one
16:58.09carmonywhew, my phone recovered
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17:03.02SunSparcSo many people braved the lines.
17:03.34oldscompany bought us the phones
17:03.47SunSparcLUCKY!!!!
17:04.06SunSparc_psychic_: If they dropped the price $200 it would be free.
17:04.11dataw0lfolds ^5
17:04.16dataw0lfwoke up at 6 this morning
17:04.33dataw0lffuxing around with PyObjC right now... mmmmmm.
17:04.59mgearyi seem to recall that holding the flat plastic panel up to my head resulted in my greasy skin leaving cheekmarks against the panel.
17:05.22mgearyi've been a bit biased against full-screen phones since then
17:05.41SunSparcjbot, give mgeary some face soap
17:05.41jbotACTION gives some face soap to mgeary
17:06.25SunSparc:)
17:06.29_psychic_SunSparc:  I was joking
17:06.40SunSparc_psychic_: :)
17:09.35mgearyanyone else use on iProvo/MStar/Broadweave?
17:09.43mgearys/use/here/
17:10.33mgearyi'm thinking with the switch over to Broadweave they've dramatically throttled my account
17:10.40mgearyfrom15mbps to ~3mbps
17:10.45oldslame
17:10.57mindjujuyou're kidding!
17:11.13mindjujudid you have a service contract for a specific amount of throughput?
17:11.18mgearyi need to run several speed tests over the next several days to try to confirm
17:11.47mgearyi'm sure they cover themselves by not 'guaranteeing' any specific bandwidth
17:12.12mindjujumgeary, have found ISPs rig service to trick speed tests, recommend putting a 100mb file on a web server that is colo (like at xmission) and timing it
17:12.28mindjujutotal transfer time will tell the truth
17:12.39_psychic_I just signed up for xmission
17:12.44_psychic_rather than mstar
17:12.52_psychic_15Mbps, static IP at home
17:12.55_psychic_$40/mo
17:13.01orsonjor better, go to utube and time how long it takes to download a video
17:13.01mindjujuyup, i'm going to go through xmission when utopia gets to my area of orem
17:13.46mindjujuorsonj, but videos are too short, and you have to dig it out of cache to get filesize
17:13.54mindjujuunless your using the FF plugin for it
17:14.40mindjujuit's really telling after 10 minutes of full downloading when you really hit the median speed
17:17.11_psychic_xmission also impresses me as savvy and very concerned about local happenings
17:17.28_psychic_any ISP with an IRC support channel is great
17:17.45mindjujuespecially like with CP80 and that wifi thing for SLC
17:17.50mindjujucan't remember the bill num on that
17:17.58oldscp80 is the dumbest thing ever
17:18.31_psychic_not if you're trying to spread out your cash from your main business failing miserably
17:18.50oldshuh
17:18.50dataw0lfCP80 hehe
17:19.05dataw0lfdidn't CP80 die?
17:19.09dataw0lfor are they still trying to push it.
17:19.29dataw0lfI don't bother to pay attention since I live in Nevada, the Free State (tm).
17:19.34orsonjhttp://youtube.com/get_video.php?video_id=woR18xBvvvE&t=OEgsToPDskJB7E3dH0vZG6NUrhg77euo
17:19.56orsonj137Mb video from youtube (car show episode)
17:20.44_psychic_dataw0lf: still an obama fan?
17:21.07dataw0lf_psychic_: Oh yes.
17:21.08oldsfan, lol
17:21.28_psychic_dataw0lf: what do you think about his FISA stance (and vote)
17:21.59dataw0lfwell he voted for two measures to get telecom immunity struck from the bill during the legislation...
17:22.17_psychic_true
17:23.09dataw0lfBut generally, it's a political move.  *shrug*
17:23.23dataw0lfif he had voted AGAINST the FISA bill, there'd be much more ammo from the right to attack him with, really.
17:23.35dataw0lf"OH GAWD TOLD YOU HE LOVED TEH TERRORISTS"
17:24.00_psychic_well he went about 17 notches down in my book
17:24.39_psychic_And it's only the polarized, bushy right wing that's going to make that accusation.
17:24.59_psychic_I was hoping for Mr. Change to stand up against something like that.
17:26.41dataw0lfHe just needs to nominate Webb as his V.P.
17:26.49mindjujupsh, ahhh...
17:26.54dataw0lfthen ANYONE who wants to talk about national security will get it LOLed.  Right in the face.
17:27.01dataw0lfmindjuju: You don't like Webb?
17:27.25mindjujuwasn't saying didn't like webb, was saying it was expected that Obama would go with FISA along with the dems in congress
17:27.49_psychic_I'm probably voting third party
17:27.54dataw0lfOkay, I'm just waiting in the eves for any conservatives to attack Webb.
17:27.57_psychic_too disappointed in the current crop
17:27.58dataw0lfoooh I can't wait.
17:28.23mindjujuwell, instead of waiting, why not just state why you like him?
17:29.28dataw0lfLet's see.  He's a Vietnam war hero.  Like, actual hero.  Read his Navy Cross commendation (second highest award to Medal of Honor).  
17:29.34dataw0lfHis son is in Iraq.
17:29.42dataw0lfHe almost punched President Bush.
17:30.39mindjujui'm sure the last one is a +15 for you
17:30.41dataw0lfHe was Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, and sought to reestablish the Marine Corps (it had fallen into bad times)
17:31.07dataw0lfbut resigned after refusing to make the Navy smaller
17:31.18dataw0lfThe first one, really, is +15 to me.
17:31.21dataw0lfHe's a hero.
17:31.25dataw0lfTry to swiftboat him.
17:31.29dataw0lfOh man will someone try.
17:31.55unumlessig had an interesting write up about the FISA vote
17:32.02dataw0lfPart of his Navy Cross commendation:
17:32.04dataw0lf". Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the
17:32.09_psychic_unum: where?
17:32.31unumI was pretty upset and going to vote against matheson over it.  and then i lessig, and then hatch, and thought atleast matheson isn't hatch....
17:32.51unum_psychic_: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/the_immunity_hysteria.html
17:33.10mindjujudataw0lf - that is interesting, where are you getting that story from?
17:33.39mindjujui mean, i know it is fromt he recommendation, but is it online somewhere?
17:33.43dataw0lfmindjuju: What story?  It's part of the official commendation for Jim Webb's Navy Cross.
17:33.54dataw0lfyou know, his first commanding officer writes it up after the action happens...
17:34.03mindjujuright, I know
17:34.09dataw0lfand he recommends Jim Webb for whatever award (in this case, Webb was nominated for the Medal of Honor)
17:34.14mindjujunot questioning if it is valid, i'm saying, i'd like to read the story
17:34.22dataw0lfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb
17:34.24oldsdataw0lf: you and your liberal lies have no place in the utah php users channel! ;)
17:34.36burninlol
17:34.56dataw0lfyea, it's not like, most of the veterans in the House nowadays are Democrats or anything!
17:34.59dataw0lf>_>
17:35.01dataw0lf<_<
17:35.02mindjujuawesome, thx
17:35.03dataw0lfwaitaminute
17:41.06dataw0lfwaitaminute/win 6
17:41.10dataw0lf>_<
17:42.27dataw0lfolds: you got HBO?
17:42.38oldsjea
17:42.45dataw0lfwell, I dunno why you need HBO for this (knowing you), but gonna watch Generation Kill?
17:43.05_psychic_unum: at a glance I disagree with his assertions
17:43.22oldshaven't heard of it
17:43.30_psychic_especially some sort of concession that the lame ammendments to FISA are more important than the rest of the bill
17:43.54dataw0lfolds: From the guys who made the wire, miniseries about a Marine unit in Iraq.
17:44.00oldsahh
17:44.04oldsmight be interesting
17:44.10dataw0lfyea it looks to be pretty good.
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17:45.09unum_psychic_: I haven't looked close enough at the bill to make any argument about that.
17:45.27unumbut it's hard to understand what could be more important than privacy
17:45.32_psychic_exactly
17:45.40unumhatch's statements are really upsetting
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17:45.48_psychic_ugh I ignore hatch out of habit
17:45.56unumnext time he comes to town I say we all put on tin foil hats and go out to greet him
17:46.06_psychic_plus there's the fact that it grants immunity, which is so backwards it makes me mad just to think about i
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17:46.42unuma few years a go one of his staff members broke into an opponents computer.  hatch then turns around says no government employee caress about your computer unless you're talking to al quada
17:47.17unumI'm embarrassed that we keep sending him back, but frankly I blame my family for that
17:47.28unumnot one person in my family(besides me) voted for pete
17:48.19unumthough to his credit my oldest brother voted against hatch in covention and then voted for the libertarian on the ballot
17:50.44_psychic_I heard that congress approval ratings are in the single digits
17:50.59_psychic_I'd be angry, except for the fact that voter turnout is about that much too.
17:53.01unumutah has the worse voter turn out in the nation
17:53.09unumincluding dc and they can only vote for mayor
17:53.22unumwell that's the highest office they can vote for
17:53.33_psychic_Gee, I wonder why FISA passes, why we get into messes like Iraq (and Iran?), and we have the upstanding presidents we get lately
17:53.46SunSparcSeems like politics and voting has become a niche sport that only certain people care about and everyone else just does their own thing like the government does not even exist.
17:54.55unumya
17:55.09unumit's really funny to me because I go to church and they read a letter telling everyone to get involved
17:55.30unumand then when I try to encourage people to follow the advice of their "prophet" they give me dirty looks
17:55.45_psychic_people need to wake up. :(
17:55.53SunSparcIt is actually really really sad.
17:56.03SunSparc"All is well in Zion"
17:56.13_psychic_All is well on TV.
17:56.26unumone time I told a guy that I had met the democrat running for US senate and his responses was "I vote by the spirit"
17:58.09SunSparcwhatever that means
18:00.16mindjujuyou know, i just figured out a way to make CP80 work
18:01.20dataw0lfinstitute your filtering at home?
18:01.24dataw0lf>_<
18:01.32mindjujuyeah, but just slightly differently
18:01.36mindjujutell me if this will work
18:03.27mindjujuwell, was just going to say, if they want to surf the internet without the possibility of running into pr0n, etc, couldn't they use a browser that doesn't surf port 80, but some special port like 8888
18:03.43mindjujuand on that exclusive port, pipe regulated "approved" materials?
18:04.14mindjujuso, it's not CP80 in the sense of let's clean everybody internet and remove choice, but, i want cleaner internet, i'm using this clean browser
18:04.27dataw0lfsure, use some non designated port, I don't care.
18:04.28mindjujucourse though, in retrospect, dataw0lf, your idea is easier yet
18:04.49dataw0lfjust don't be filtering standard port 80.
18:04.50oldswhat is the big fear of porn about?
18:05.24mindjujuolds, you'd have to find a supporter of cp80 to get their argument
18:05.35dataw0lfyou know who else don't like porn?
18:05.35oldsI thought you were
18:05.37dataw0lfterrorists.
18:05.42mindjujunope
18:05.51wpswhy are terrorists anti-porn?
18:06.00dataw0lf...
18:06.02oldsbecause they are anti-women
18:06.06dataw0lfbecause they're Islamic fundamentalists.
18:06.06mindjujuIslam not pr0n friendly
18:06.08unumthey're also anti-alcohol
18:06.12dataw0lfanti-drug.
18:06.14dataw0lf(too)
18:06.16unumyep
18:06.25mindjujucourse though, can't think of many religions pr0n friendly
18:06.50unumbut don't worry if you're their and get caught on a drug charge(and you're famous enough) hatch will help you out
18:07.17dataw0lfreligious fundamentalists are generally anti-fun.
18:07.38mindjuju?
18:07.49mindjujusomething in particular, or just in general?
18:07.52unumhaven't you ever seen footloose?
18:08.04dataw0lf>_<
18:08.05dataw0lfNo.
18:08.10unumthere's no dance in the home fundmentalist mormonism(utah valley)
18:08.13unummwhahaha
18:08.22unums/m/b
18:08.39unums/dance/dancing
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18:10.56thebigdogdude there was just a bank robbery by my work
18:11.29dataw0lfaw was it all like Heat
18:11.37dataw0lfpics or it didn't happen
18:11.44Utah_Davedid you run them down, thebigdog?
18:12.10thebigdogi tried...but i am not the dawg
18:12.45mindjujulikely what REALLY happened is thebigdog went after them and they totally freaked and split cause they was afraid thebigdog
18:13.12thebigdogactually the dude stabbed himself when he saw thebigdog chasing him
18:14.33thebigdogill keep you guys posted and see about some pics
18:18.53thebigdogok guys
18:18.57thebigdoghere it is
18:19.03thebigdoghttp://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=3738599
18:19.23thebigdogthere are some issues with the article though
18:19.29thebigdogs/police/thebigdog/
18:22.20tierrahaha
18:22.47tierrawhoa, that's really close to work
18:22.54tierralike 2 blocks
18:23.59tierra(the Zions Bank)
18:24.19tierrawait, so thebigdog works really close to me?
18:25.24thebigdogyeah i work on main street
18:25.39thebigdogin bountiful
18:26.16tierrathey got the address of the Zions Bank wrong in the article
18:26.29tierrait's like 100 S
18:26.33tierranot 500 N
18:27.15tierraactually, isn't it on Center St?
18:30.31oldsok
18:30.35olds3g iphone goin now
18:30.43oldsfinally activated itself
18:32.26oldsthe itunes thing still doesn't work
18:32.29oldsit just sorta turned on
18:32.31oldsand now it works
18:46.38macnewboldmmm lunch
18:48.35tierrammm brazilian grill
18:48.48thebigdogtierra, i work here 145 South Main, Bountiful, Utah 84010
18:49.15tierraheh, you're even closer to me than Zions Bank
18:49.24tierraI'm on 186 W 100 S
18:51.58tierraweird, street view skipped most of Main St.
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19:24.26thebigdogyeah it did
19:24.35thebigdogim right in the middle
19:24.39thebigdogwe should hit some lunch some time
19:24.44thebigdoghit some chipolets
19:46.04Utah_Davemmm, chipotle
19:53.06mgearyoverrated
19:56.21SunSparcMmmmm, Taco Bell
19:56.21thebigdognever
19:56.31thebigdog~upchuck SunSparc
19:56.32jbotACTION spews chunks on SunSparc after hearing what thebigdog listens to.
19:56.40SunSparclol
20:01.09mgearyTaco Bell++
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20:05.35SunSparc~Taco Bell++
20:05.41SunSparc~karma Taco Bell
20:05.41jbottaco bell has neutral karma
20:06.21mgeary_psychic_: you mean by my mommy?
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20:06.46_psychic_?
20:08.03mgearytotally
20:10.58SunSparcSpeaking of haggis, Scottish Days is going on in Payson today and tomorrow.
20:12.54Utah_Davemgeary: I worked at Taco Bell for a few months right before college.  I agree with your sanitation assesment. I was actually pretty surprised by how clean everything was
20:13.25Utah_Davethe only thing I ever saw was the floor getting diirty during big lunch rushes
20:16.12mgearyyeah. and they really do make the food from raw ingredients. Except for the sauce
20:16.15mgearyat least they used to
20:16.34mgearydry pinto beans. flour/corn tortillas, etc
20:16.51mgearythey used to grate their own cheese, which was way better than the cheese you get now :(
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20:25.55dragonOfTheWesthi
20:26.21dripdragonOfTheWest: howdy
20:26.45mgearydragonOfTheWest: Avatar reference??
20:26.57dragonOfTheWestyes -- iroh is my favorite
20:29.25dragonOfTheWestmgeary: are you a fellow fan?
20:29.28mgearytotally.
20:29.38mgearyi'm ticked that season 3 isn't on iTunes
20:29.42mgearythe rest of it, that is
20:29.56dragonOfTheWestit will be by the end of the month
20:30.00mgearybig talk
20:30.27mgearybut my kids will freak out if it's true
20:32.49dragonOfTheWestmgeary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_episodes
20:33.15dragonOfTheWestmgeary: so-- now your kids have something to look forward to ;)
20:33.20mgearyheh
20:33.28mgearybut they still have to make it to iTunes
20:33.32mgearywe don't pay for cable
20:34.03dragonOfTheWestme neither, but I can consistently get them 1 day after release date.
20:34.21mgearytorrent?
20:34.25dragonOfTheWesty
20:34.56mgearyi don't mind paying for it. but i want to get what i pay for
20:35.15dragonOfTheWestyou can pre order from Amazon
20:35.37mgearyon what, DVD? that's much more $$ than iTunes
20:36.53beandogairbender seems cool
20:37.04mgearythe writing really is quite good
20:37.07dragonOfTheWestbeandog: best animated series
20:37.11mgearyreally good storytelling
20:37.25mgearycomplex characters, etc. and it's just fun
20:44.04beandogI'm still skeptical
20:44.11beandogafter all, its not scooby doo
20:44.27mgearyrokay raggy
20:46.48dripbeandog: amen
21:27.59timinatoris there any way to verify MS Office 2007 Keys??
21:28.08timinatorto make sure they're legit??
21:28.20orsonjtype them into google and see if you get any results
21:28.56timinatorthe install key??
21:28.59timinatorwhy would Google return anything
21:29.01timinatoreither way?
21:29.12orsonjif it was a cracked key it might show up
21:29.17timinatoroh
21:29.44orsonjinstall office and see if it works?
21:30.08orsonjfor further verification, run windows updates and the genuine advantage tool
21:30.28timinatorya, was looking for something simple that I could run before handing over cash for the things
21:30.46orsonjah, wanting to check out your vendor
21:30.52SunSparcOr just dump MS Office and get something better.
21:30.52timinatoryes
21:31.04timinatorhear hear
21:31.37SunSparcLike, vim.
21:31.41orsonjyes vim
21:31.47SunSparclol
21:31.59timinatorhard to build powerpoint presentations in vim
21:32.10timinatorespecially for a non-geek
21:32.17SunSparcSo true.
21:32.26timinator*sigh
21:32.26_psychic_bah
21:32.27SunSparcOpenOffice does alright.
21:32.30_psychic_:build_powerpoint
21:32.36SunSparchehe
21:32.41SunSparc_psychic_: nice one
21:32.56SunSparcKeyNote makes amazing presentations.
21:33.20_psychic_(in XML, rather than some nasty binary format like PPT)
21:36.57SunSparc_psychic_, you aren't kidding!  I did not know that.  I just looked at one of my keynote's and it really is in all XML.
21:37.31_psychic_I had a project that made dynamic presentations on the fly
21:37.33_psychic_for the manager
21:38.04jsmithWow... that's *almost* enough to make me move to Keynote for my training classes.... almost.
21:38.18mgearyyou haven't earned your stripes as a multimedia developer until you've built a PowerPoint replacement
21:39.31unumdoes s5 count?
21:39.39orsonjjust use those html javascript presentation templates ex.: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
21:40.03SunSparc_psychic_: That is extremely cool.
21:40.35_psychic_Yeah
21:40.42_psychic_I got tired of making reports for him
21:40.53_psychic_so i made a button he could click to his heart's content
21:41.02SunSparcjsmith: I have used both, and Keynote SPANKS PowerPoint
21:41.17SunSparc_psychic_: Way to please the manager.  ;)
21:41.35orsonjusing vim and pressing page down is better than powerpoint
21:41.40_psychic_haha
21:41.44SunSparcLOL
21:43.26jsmithSunSparc: I agree... but we typically use OpenOffice Impress, as we're shipping files all over the world, and can't expect our training partners to all buy Macs
21:44.07SunSparcjsmith: Ah, good call.  Although, you could just print the presentations to PDF.
21:44.11SunSparcAlmost as good.
21:44.37SunSparcUnless they need to edit them
21:45.09jsmithThey need to edit them to translate them into foreign languages
21:45.43SunSparcAh
21:46.29SunSparcHmm, you could just build an app that allows them to translate the text and then feed it back into the Keynote XML...  Just thinking out loud...
21:53.25thebigdogopenoffice uses xml too
21:55.17jsmiththebigdog: Yeah, but the XML is a nightmare
21:55.40thebigdogbut i love how openoffice works with xslt to do some amazing things
21:55.45thebigdogwith import and exports
21:55.49thebigdogtransformation
21:55.53jsmithSunSparc: Yeah, if I had the time and resource to development it.  Shoot -- I'd rather someone wrote an XSLT transform from DocBook to ODP
21:56.14thebigdogthey have them
21:56.37thebigdogopenoffice can work with docbook
21:56.48thebigdogit is actually really nice
21:57.05jsmithI've had nothing but heartburn trying to use it
21:57.22thebigdogyou can write in openoffice and then export to docbook
21:57.23jsmith(the actual transform works OK, but doesn't let me apply my styles)
21:57.31thebigdogthat is a nice transformation
21:57.34jsmithI've already got the outlines in DocBook
22:00.37mgearyhrmmm
22:01.28jsmithIn fact, I've got all kinds of documentation in Docbook
22:01.35jsmithBut most of the DocBook slides stuff sucks rocks
22:03.48mgearyanyone willing to look at an email that was classified as spam and see if they can comment on what might have triggered the "prohibited virus or spam content"?
22:03.56mgeary'Cause it looks pretty clean to me
22:04.59SunSparcDid it mention enhancing anything?
22:05.01SunSparc:)
22:05.02orsonj~rlart
22:05.02jbotnabs the moon and broadsides undertakingyou with the sea of tranquility
22:07.20mgearyhttp://dpaste.com/63053/
22:07.29mgearythat's the error message from the receiving server
22:07.57mgearysecureserver.net <-- i believe that's GoDaddy
22:11.27SunSparcMaybe it did not like the web link
22:11.37mgearywhat web link?
22:11.46mgeary"a fellow RichLifeClub.com member" ?
22:11.51SunSparcyep
22:11.52mgearythat seems pretty anal
22:11.56SunSparcYep
22:12.17SunSparcLooks like a pretty benign message
22:12.24mgearyyeah, i think so too
22:12.51fungushttp://help.godaddy.com/article/337
22:13.36mgearyhuh. the email isn't even an html email
22:13.52tierraI think I ate too much
22:13.55mgearybut i guess maybe it is that .com
22:14.45orsonjrichlifeclub, Leibovitz, misspelled about, asks to contact sender...
22:15.05tierrathebigdog: I'm sure v0rtex would like lunch at chipotle
22:15.07orsonjj/k looks fine actually
22:15.22thebigdogoh yeah
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23:40.49timinatorI'm out.... have a great weekend guys

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