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01:07.06Utah_Davewps: did Trevor get in contact with you?
01:07.46wpsno
01:07.48wpshe is MIA
01:08.11Utah_Davereally?
01:08.43Utah_DaveHe lives down the street from me.  I'll go talk to him
01:08.55wpsthanks… I'd sure appreciate it
01:09.10wpsI really need some info on connecting to their client records server
01:10.56Utah_DaveNextgen is the software package they're using. But I'll talk to Trevor about it
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02:01.51Utah_Davethis kid rocks!  http://flickr.com/photos/bunkers/2642409838/in/pool-507487@N23/?editedcomment=1#comment72157606060034878
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13:35.15mindjujuabout time somebody woke up jsmith
13:35.19mindjujuwhat is it, 10a over there?
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13:49.42jsmithmindjuju: I've been up since 4am my time... just haven't been on IRC
13:50.57mindjujuthat's mighty early
13:51.01mindjujuand was just teasin'
14:01.49jsmithThat's the life I lead... what else can I say?
14:02.10jsmithYou folks probably haven't had breakfast yet, and I've been at the office for an hour teaching a class
14:03.51mindjujui actually get up at 5a now to carpool at 6:15a
14:03.56mindjujuso have had breakfast
14:10.16jsmithAh, gotcha
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14:50.57mindjujumacnewbold , you around?
15:11.23mindjujuwhat you listening to on that side, bwelker ?
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15:11.32bwelkerright now?   some DI
15:11.56bwelkersome kinda lame remix of "these dreams"
15:12.03mindjujuwas listening to di.breaks, but it isn't v good
15:12.28mindjujuravetrax.com is a little to slow for me
15:12.30bwelkerthere are some remixes of old school songs that are pretty good, and there are some where you just sit and wonder wtf they were thinking
15:12.40mindjujuyeah, no doubt
15:12.59bwelkerthey've gone a little crazy with them in the past year or so on BPM (XM radio)
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15:13.31bwelkerand i'm getting a little sick of it, i mean, seriously, who wants to hear a crappy remix of a song that wasn't that good to begin with
15:13.34bwelkerbut oh well
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15:15.03mindjujuyeah true that
15:15.11bwelkeri need to bring in my iPod and my cable so I can upload the good stuff to my machine here
15:16.12mindjujuwhen you listen to breaks, you expect a good cadence but every now and then, di willl play some country / reggae  remix weirdness
15:16.32mindjujusup CIO thebigdog
15:16.37bwelkerhave you ever heard two step?
15:16.46thebigdogmindjuju, not much
15:16.56mindjujulike you mean country two step?
15:17.00mindjujulike the dance?
15:17.03bwelkerkinda like breaks, but with a nice little shuffle thrown in
15:17.12mindjujucurious, haven't heard it
15:17.44mindjujuwas wondering how thing were going for you since haven't seen you in here in a while thebigdog, was thinking the BMW was too much fun driving and you were out doing that
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15:17.51mindjujuor golf was taking too much of your time
15:18.13bwelkerhttp://echoradio.org/archive/Echo_Radio-Sodie-Two_Step.mp3
15:18.13thebigdogmindjuju, i took some vacation
15:18.24bwelkerit's a bit older, but the first song gives you the idea
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15:23.21bwelkermindjuju: the second song (about 5:00) is better
15:24.15bwelkerthe mix as a whole isn't really that good, a little slow for me, but that's a sample of two step, there is more high energy stuff out there though
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15:27.39bwelkerholy snap....   i've been looking for this song for so long...  it's the first song on http://www.echoradio.org/archive/Echo_Radio-Beaker_and_Josh_Craig_pt_1.mp3
15:27.58bwelkergotta love that serendipity
15:32.11bwelkerdo the second song, about 5:00, the first one, not so good
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15:33.51mindjujusecond song starting to come online
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16:04.46mindjujubwelker - sometime when you have a few minutes, want to see if you know a particular techno song
16:04.57mindjujujust let me know when you have a moment
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16:29.34carmonyhey
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16:32.36mgearyhey yourself
16:32.51PoeticIntensitybe nice, mgeary .
16:32.55PoeticIntensitytsk, tsk.
16:33.26PoeticIntensitydid you have a question, carmony ?
16:33.45bwelker~bwelker carmony
16:33.45jbotACTION asks carmony lots of questions, and completely distracts him from his train of thought
16:34.35bwelkersorry, had to
16:34.46PoeticIntensityseems like he's already lost his train of thought. :)
16:35.14mindjujuman, what do people have against playing decent breaks today?
16:35.14bwelkerholy crap, it WORKED....    jbot is all mighty and powerful
16:35.36bwelkerthe mix by beaker and josh is actually pretty good
16:35.52bwelkerbeen grooving to it since i posted it
16:36.17mindjujutwas, but i got a little lost in it about 30 min into it
16:36.26mindjujui need something a little more furious
16:36.38mindjujuand holds onto his saddle
16:36.55bwelkerhave that on vinyl
16:37.07mindjujuonly have the CD, but what a CD
16:37.18bwelkerthere's a B-side that's sick, called morning lemon
16:37.29orsonjcool, google is pushing an alternative to xml.
16:37.41bwelkerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viU-vzI9JH0
16:38.04bwelkerit's what happens when producers get ADD
16:38.17bwelkeresp. the ending
16:38.45bwelkerbut that's it, nothing big
16:40.17bwelkerhttp://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j197/guardian_photos/mainback.gif
16:40.32bwelker(it's Benjam, btw)
16:41.37mindjujuthat's awesome
16:43.09bwelkeri was nervous as hell, but then i got there, and my room was completely empty, which was good, but then bad, because I tore it up, and only my wife heard it
16:43.42mindjujuthat sux
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16:45.04mindjujubwelker - that song is cool
16:46.04bwelkerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYWf0sSPVOA
16:47.38bwelkerlol, that makes me laugh
17:13.17mindjujuis scrubs a show or something?
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17:14.11bwelkeryeah, it is, and it's hilarious
17:14.53bwelkeron KSL, usu. on Thurs. with My Name is Earl, 30 Rock, The Office, and ER
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17:15.49bwelkerthat gets tougher and tougher every time
17:24.49wpsMySQL docs--
17:24.53wpsPHP docs++
17:25.13bwelkermedical docs++
17:25.26mindjujuunrealisticExpectations--
17:25.28bwelkerdentistry docs--
17:25.39mindjujuso, i get this project where they say they want it done by close of day
17:25.39bwelkercamelCaps--
17:25.47mindjujuand i look at it and say, ok, 1 hour to do it
17:26.08mindjujuin the interim, i'm doing some cat 5 projects that have to be done earlier
17:26.21mindjujuso, i get a call asking about the project due at close of day, why isn't it done
17:26.27mindjujuwhen they said, just have it done by close of day
17:26.35mindjujuwhat kind of sense does that make?
17:26.44bwelkerclose of day != 10a
17:27.01mindjujuyeah, my close of day = 11p
17:27.03bwelkerlol
17:27.11mindjujuwell, 11:fiddy-freakin' 9
17:31.13mindjujuso, what's wrong with camelCase?
17:31.22mindjujuerr, caps
17:31.29wpsunder_scores_are_much_easier_to_read
17:32.09mindjujuunder_scores_are_much_easier_to_read v underScoresAreMuchEasierToRead
17:32.46bwelkerits just an opinion, i have no valid proof why it's better, i just like underscores
17:33.00bwelkercamel caps are fine
17:33.01tierramy code is a mix of both, for different purposes
17:33.10mindjujui could see underscores
17:33.12bwelkerthat would become confusing
17:33.22tierranot really
17:33.27tierramakes things a lot clearer
17:33.30bwelkerwhats your uses?
17:33.35mindjujutierra, i use mostly camelCaps, with a little bit of underscore to define purpose
17:33.42mindjujulike fld_SomeSQLField
17:34.23bwelkerthat's just way too long, you should shorten it to f_SF
17:34.29bwelkermuch nicer code that way
17:34.31bwelker;)
17:34.53bwelkeri just run through the alphabet when i need variables, no need to mess with underscores or caps
17:34.56mindjujuyeah, but in 2 weeks, will you remember SF?
17:35.05bwelkeri sure will
17:35.07mindjujuor think its an abbreviation for a city in cali?
17:35.14mindjuju:)
17:35.14bwelkerwait....    what was SF again?
17:35.41bwelkeri think it meant super mega happy fun time, but i shortened it
17:35.47orsonjjust need to keep a dictionary at the top of the file defining all the vars, then get an editor that gives a tooltip with the long version of the short var
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17:36.02bwelkerdo they make those?
17:36.11orsonjdon't know. just came up with the idea
17:36.16bwelkerwell get on it
17:36.21bwelkerthat would be awesome
17:36.23tierraI have a mix of event handlers tied into the wxWidgets event handling system ("OnTextChanged()" for example), then I have Boost signal handlers ("handleObjectChanged()" for example), and then I have regular wxWidgets method calls (on wx-derived objects) are stuff like "GetSomething()", and then calls to our own internal library is all lowercase with underscores "do_something()"
17:36.56orsonjor something that would autocompact long vars (possibly according to a dictionary)
17:37.08tierraso if I see "On..." I know it's a wxWidgets event handler, if it's "handle..." it's a Boost signal handler
17:37.36mindjujuthat's cool
17:37.37bwelkerall of my functions are called things like do( ), or do_1( ), or do_2( ), etc
17:37.46mindjujuheh
17:38.00bwelkerand then i run it through an obfucator
17:38.10bwelkerjust to make sure
17:38.18bwelkerjob security
17:38.19mindjujudoThatOneThing2ThatVar()
17:38.22bwelkerlol
17:38.27bwelkerwaaaaay too long
17:38.31bwelkerdo2var( )
17:39.05mindjujui guess i could shorten, and then put in copious notes to explain the function
17:39.15bwelkernotes = illegal
17:40.22bwelkerall of my methods are words that go with this, e.g.- $this->sucks, $this->is_super, $this->will_never_be_called, etc
17:40.35tierrawe prefix "do" to functions usually only when it's a private internal method to be shared among multiple public methods
17:40.50bwelkeralthough it's funny, the will_never_be_called method gets called the most
17:43.33tierraI try to avoid naming schemes where functions are uppercase first letter since it's usually reserved for object names, but that's a little hard since I have to use a library that follows a naming scheme of uppercase first letter with almost everything
17:52.26tierrathe practice of prefixing variables based on type/purpose gets annoying really quick unless it's specifically only for identifying local method variables vs class members
17:53.59tierrait's very rare that you need more than that, and if you do, most of the time it means you should really be delegating responsibilities elsewhere
17:54.32tierraor that you need to break some functionality out into it's own class
17:54.38mindjujuso you're not a big fan of prefixing all table fields with a fld_ or even a f_ ?
17:55.34tierranope
17:55.44thebigdogi prefix everything with big_
17:55.55thebigdogbig_integer_generator ;)
17:56.13thebigdogbig_system_users
17:56.22mindjujuheh
17:56.25unumwhat bfg
17:56.31unumfor big_float_generator
17:56.36thebigdoghehe
17:57.14thebigdoghaha i had a guy write a big_decimal_generator once...i just randomly created big numbers...mad me laugh so hard
17:57.24thebigdogs/i/it/
17:57.35thebigdogjbot you are horrible
17:57.36jbotthebigdog: what are you talking about?
17:57.55thebigdoghe tried to give me a tutorial on the usage of it
17:58.16thebigdogi laughed in his face and walked away....bigdog style
17:58.20thebigdog~flip tim
17:58.20jbotACTION gives tim the .|.. ..|.
17:58.29thebigdogoh no timinator
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18:42.54timinatorafternoon guys
18:45.05mindjujusup timinator
18:45.16mindjujuthebigdog had an important message for you earlier, but you weren't here
18:45.20mindjujui'm pasting it below
18:45.22mindjuju(11:58:27 AM) thebigdog: ~flip tim
18:45.22mindjuju(11:58:28 AM) ***jbot gives tim the .|.. ..|.
18:47.46thebigdog~flip timinator
18:47.46jbotACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|.
18:47.51timinatorthat *is* a very important message
18:47.53thebigdogwith much love
18:47.59timinator~flip back to thebigdog
18:48.00jbotACTION gives back to thebigdog the .|.. ..|.
18:48.04timinatorwith the same amount of love
18:48.05timinator:)
18:48.16thebigdogtiminator, ty for writing the big_decimal_generator for me
18:53.49timinatorhehe... it's a good'un
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18:59.52mindjujuso fungus, you going to geek lunch this friday?
19:00.08fungusYup, got it all planned out.  
19:00.17mindjujuawesome!
19:00.44mindjujuyou going to get an iphone in the morning?
19:01.09fungusNo, I have to wait until after the weekend.
19:01.26mindjujubummer
19:01.31fungusCorporate purchasing, plan modification, number moving, etc.
19:01.46mindjujuoh, that's too cool, SOS is buying?
19:01.50fungusyup
19:02.39fungusYeah, but you have 4 monitors, a separate office, a projector, etc.
19:02.57mindjujui do love my office / projector, etc
19:03.46wpsI sure miss having an office
19:03.48wpscubes suck
19:04.11wpshard going back to cube-land once you have were entreated with a little privacy
19:04.21timinatorfo sho
19:04.26timinatorI can't go back
19:06.36mindjujuwho else is going to geek lunch on friday?
19:08.20mindjujuthebigdog , you coming?
19:08.25thebigdogtoo
19:08.32tierramindjuju: you had me down with my two coworkers right?
19:08.40mindjujuyup
19:08.53tierraand in the original reservation right?
19:08.59mindjujuyup
19:09.04tierraok, cool :)
19:09.11mindjujuso 50% off
19:09.37tierrahehe
19:09.56mindjujuno doubt, plus i have my bday card so that's like a free plate i think
19:10.02tierranice
19:10.47mindjujuthebigdog - coming to geek lunch, tucanos at the gateway in the SLC
19:11.02thebigdogim not sure
19:11.30mindjujudude, Brazilian grill
19:11.38mindjujuand bring timinator also
19:11.42mindjujutierra, was it good?
19:11.46oldswhat are all the big data centers in utah? xmission, viawest, tier 4, .... anything else?
19:11.48mindjujui loved the first
19:11.55oldslet me rephrase.... in the salt lake valley
19:12.03redroywhat's "geek lunch" for?
19:12.16mindjujuolds, i've got servers colo'd at xmission
19:12.22oldsyea, we all do :)
19:12.30mindjujuredroy - geek lunch is just where we leave work and get a bite to eat
19:12.36tierrathere was a scene that really annoyed me as it didn't have anything to do with the rest of the plot, and didn't make any sense in regards to how the characters were behaving, but other than that, it was enjoyable
19:12.45oldslooking to setup a backup server at a different data center
19:12.59mindjujuredroy, you interested?
19:13.06dataw0lfolds: WestHost, I think.
19:13.23dataw0lfhttp://www.westhost.com/datacenter.html
19:13.41tierrathey bring in this 'forest god', you'll know what I'm talking about when you see it... seems like it was only in there for some cool CG work and for no other reason
19:13.57dataw0lfI guess that's not in the Valley
19:13.58mindjujuhmmm
19:14.01redroyMaybe, tucanos is one of my fav's
19:14.10oldsyea, wtf is Providence, Utah
19:14.10mindjujuredroy - here is info - http://uphpu.org/
19:14.19mindjujutop post
19:14.41redroyI was going to try and convince my wife to let me pick up the new iphone friday too... :) I could stop by the mac store.
19:14.49mindjujuexactly!
19:14.54mindjujuyou can't be in line and not eat!
19:15.31mindjujui heard a line already formed in NYC
19:16.16mindjujucourse redroy, you're more than welcom to bring a guest
19:16.54redroyawesome, I'll get in touch with my better half and rsvp if we can.
19:17.04mindjujuawesome!
19:22.20timinatordo people have nothing better to do in NYC than stand in line??
19:23.04timinatordid they sell out of iPhone v1? I don't recall hearing that.... so, chances are, they'll be fine to *not* stand in line for 3 days
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19:26.43redroylol
19:36.50timinatorI hate to say it, but I'm not going to be able to make it to this Geek Lunch guys. I've got a pressing deadline that I'm way behind on.
19:38.00timinatorTruth be told, I will probably have to throw a few evenings/weekends into the mix to make the Release Date on this one.
19:38.10timinatorsorry guys
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19:50.08mindjujusorry to hear that timinator, but can completely understand
19:51.50mindjujucurious - http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/technology/la-fi-techblog9-2008jul09,0,1218924.story
19:56.25thebigdogpretty interesting to find out at the conference
19:57.34jsmithincidents.org has more details
19:58.56mgearybut wouldn't ssl certificates flag/reveal any server with a bogus/faked identity? I realize that non-ssl sites would be vulnerable, but...?
20:00.40macnewbold~rlart
20:00.41jbotputs on some milking gloves. "All right, now, eco, this won't hurt a bit...."
20:00.52wpsoh my
20:01.06wpsthis channel has really gone downhill
20:01.16jsmithYup...
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20:01.27jsmithThat because none of us have any PHP questions any more :-/
20:01.34wpsright… we rock
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20:02.39bwelkermindjuju: you may like this, if you've never seen it before... http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
20:03.04bwelkerwarning, it's a time waster
20:03.14bwelkeryou can easily get sucked into it
20:08.58josephscottgreat, now I'm going to have to explore that site until I can find what category they put Information Society under
20:09.10bwelkerlol
20:09.15bwelkeri doubt it's in there
20:09.38josephscottpfft, someone email the author of the site then!
20:09.41mindjujuInfoSec rox
20:09.59josephscottit's great for inducing flashbacks of high school :-)
20:10.09bwelkerthat it does, but there is a difference between modern and techno
20:10.10mindjujuoops, i mean, InfoSoc
20:10.24mindjujuwhat's in a vowel?
20:10.31bwelkeraaaaa   nothing
20:11.02josephscotthahahaha found it!
20:11.12mindjujuwhat did they say?
20:11.12timinatorLOL
20:11.16bwelkerwhere?
20:11.17josephscottit was under synthpop, new wave part 2
20:11.25bwelkerwhich genre
20:11.30mgearyNew Wave+++++
20:11.44josephscotttrack 9 in their player
20:11.53josephscotteurodisco
20:11.55bwelkernice job
20:11.55josephscott80s
20:12.27josephscotthouse
20:13.05bwelkeryeah, i found it, nice job, i didn't think it would be in there, but i guess it makes sense now that i listen to it
20:13.09josephscotthere's the line: house -> synthpop -> #9
20:13.35bwelkerHardcore -> Happy -> #5 = awesome song
20:13.49josephscottand for you all you InSoc fans: http://informationsociety.us/
20:14.00josephscottyou know they started playing live again
20:14.10mindjujuyeah, but without that one dude
20:14.11josephscott(and that's a WordPress blog )
20:14.12mgearypsh. you think that's good--
20:14.15mindjujuwhose name currently alludes me
20:14.23josephscottkurt is with them again
20:14.24mgearyYaz(oo) and Psychedelic Furs are in concert together!!
20:14.30mindjujuhe is????
20:14.32mgearyi wish they'd come to Utah
20:14.33josephscottyep
20:14.33mindjujucoool!
20:14.46mindjujuit's been several months since i've been to the site
20:15.00josephscotthttp://www.informationsociety.us/2008/06/15/310/
20:15.00mindjujudoes he still have the write up on Bands Reunited and how he got shafted by them?
20:15.08josephscottI think so
20:15.43josephscotthttp://insoc.org/texts/BandReunion.HTML
20:17.47josephscottyeah, I'm an information society geek, so sue me
20:18.32josephscottalthough I never got into that crazy dark junk that kurt did after the band split up
20:18.42timinatorhey guys.... I own slcnights.com
20:18.48timinatorbut I don't want it anymore
20:18.51timinatorany takers?
20:19.03mindjujuis there stuff to do in the SLC at night?
20:19.11timinatornot that I've found  :)
20:19.18timinatorso it was a poor purchase
20:19.20timinatorLOL
20:19.25mindjujuheh
20:19.27timinatorjk
20:19.38timinatorI just don't have time to develop anything for it
20:19.47timinatorI own ogdennights.com too
20:20.18bwelkeryou can point them to the same place that has this: <p>sleep...</p>
20:20.19timinatorI did
20:20.28timinatorhad an idea
20:20.34timinatorbut no time to impliment
20:20.54bwelkerhebernights is available?
20:21.14bwelkerhow about tooelenights?
20:22.26josephscottlooks like sandynights.com is available as well
20:22.35timinatorI'll throw ogdennights.com into the mix if someone does something with them
20:22.37josephscottdrapernights.com
20:22.44bwelkermagnanights
20:22.52timinatorI used to own provonights and logannights.com too
20:23.01josephscottit's like there's a whole gold mine waiting for someone to strike :-)
20:23.10timinatorLOL
20:23.12bwelkerif only there were something to do at night
20:23.14timinator~flip you all
20:23.15jbotACTION gives you all the .|.. ..|.
20:23.19bwelker'lol
20:23.19mindjujuyup
20:23.31mindjujufirst you'd have to have something happen at night
20:23.41mindjujuthen you'd have to blog / advertise it
20:23.44timinatorI get ideas all the time.... and I'll buy domains for them
20:24.00timinatorbut I only have so much time to implement
20:24.20timinatorso, out of the list of ideas, I choose the most profitable to put my time on
20:24.23timinator*shrug
20:24.30bwelkeri don't think bloggin about things in utah makes them happen
20:25.06bwelkerso apparently hes looking for someone to buy smallfamiliesinutah.com as well?
20:25.26timinatorI wasn't going to make a blog.... I was going to make a rating system, like digg... but also have reviews by 2 dozen or so select individuals
20:25.40timinatorand also have a backdoor access for usiness owners
20:25.53timinatorso, they could have coupons, events, etc
20:26.02bwelkerlol   i read that as backdoor access for usenet owners
20:26.05timinatorhigh quality, very local
20:26.29timinatoroops..... business
20:27.06timinatoroh, and the business owners could push ads to other sections of the site, thus making the whole shebang profitable
20:27.11timinator*and
20:27.25timinatorI'd have an email subscription for users
20:27.44timinatorw/ opt ins for various types of things
20:28.03timinatorlike italian restaurants and 80s rock band concerts
20:28.30timinatorso, as the business owners had events or ads that matched, it'd automatically email the users that would want that type of thing
20:28.36timinator*sigh
20:28.47timinatorso, anyone want it now????
20:28.49timinatorLOL
20:29.09bwelkerthat's waaaay too much planning for a site that's gonna have <p>sleep...</p>   on it
20:29.21timinatorgood point
20:29.54timinatorbut when I bought it, I had just come from Kansas CIty.... and there's stuff going on 24/7
20:29.54bwelkeryou're not a bureaucrat by any chance, are you?
20:30.01timinatorno
20:30.37bwelkeryeah, i've been to OK city, and it was dead at around 8-9 at night, but then picked up around midnight and went on till 5-6 in the morning
20:30.42bwelkervery strange
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20:31.01bwelkertotally different nightlife
20:31.34timinator:)
20:32.07dataw0lfhttp://darwinconspiracy.com/
20:32.09timinatoror oklahomacityoklahomanights.com
20:32.12josephscottonly time I'm usually up at 5am is if I've been coding the whole night before
20:33.03mgearyheh. nice topic
20:33.15dataw0lfmgeary: true, too.
20:37.48timinatorBRB
20:42.53orsonjheh, nice
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21:41.08mgearydataw0lf: what's that, a sleeping person with a malformed ear?
21:41.13Jacob_KerrHey guys quick question :). If I make an instance of a class FE: class.products in another class FE class.products and I call a fuction in class.products from class.categories can I access a member variable from class.categories in class.products without making an instance of class.categories in class.products??
21:41.15Jacob_KerrLOL
21:41.34Jacob_Kerrthe other class in class.categories**
21:41.37wpsmgeary: it's someone on the phone
21:42.13mgearyJacob_Kerr: boy, can you make that more confusing, please?
21:42.23Jacob_KerrI know I messed that up sorry...
21:42.30Jacob_Kerrretry.....
21:42.58mgearyclass variables can only be accessed via: a) instantiated class instances, or b) via a static class/variable
21:43.16Jacob_Kerrcan I access a member variable from another class that has been included in the class I am trying to pull the member variable from...
21:43.37mgeary"included" == "defined", not "instantiated"
21:43.46mgearyis the class in question static?
21:44.00mgearyClassname::$variable_name
21:44.06mgearyhave you tried that?
21:44.12Jacob_KerrHmm I do not know what defines a static and non static class..
21:44.13mgearyhow is the variable populated?
21:44.41Jacob_Kerrthrough a function that calls itself inside the class..
21:44.43mgearystatic classes have the word "static" before the "Class" ;) It means that you don't instantiate the class
21:44.55mgearyJacob_Kerr: how is that function called? In a constructor?
21:44.57Jacob_Kerrno it's not static then..
21:45.07Jacob_Kerryeah.
21:45.22mgearythen you'd need to instantiate a class object first
21:45.36mgearypastebin your code, if you can
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21:49.01Jacob_KerrI know how to do what I need to do I was just wondering if I was to make an instance of ClassA in ClassB if ClassA could access ClassB member variables..
21:49.12bwelkerplease learn from my mistake and torture....    you cannot have a table named 'files' when building with cake
21:49.22Jacob_Kerrwith parent or something of that sort..
21:49.23bwelkerjeebus, that was a headache
21:49.38Utah_Davebwelker: ooh, why did you put on that straight jacket?
21:49.47bwelkeri didn't know
21:49.48mgearyJacob_Kerr: it wouldn't be a parent
21:49.55mgearydoes ClassB extend from ClassA?
21:49.58Jacob_Kerrk I would have to extend or somethign..
21:50.13bwelkeri had no idea, and the errors popping out didn't really lead me to any conclusion other than something was really wrong
21:50.14Jacob_Kerrno.
21:50.32mgearythen no
21:50.50mgearyunless you passed your ClassB instance to Class A
21:51.02mgearywhich would make things much simpler
21:51.21Jacob_KerrThe way I see it and I did not test it but when classA is included and instantiated in classB then it would become part of classB and then I could just do something like $this->member_variable..
21:51.36mgearyno
21:51.50Jacob_Kerryeah I include before the class then I make an instance in the constructor..
21:52.18Jacob_Kerra member variable holds the object..
21:52.49Jacob_KerrLOL..
21:52.55bwelkeruphpu.pastebin.com
21:54.15Jacob_Kerrhttp://pastebin.com/m729685a
21:55.17Jacob_Kerrsee in the constructor how I make an instance of other classes in my class now with the classes I make an instance of is there any way I can pull member variables from the class that instantiated it.. LOL.
21:55.49mgearysure. just pass a reference
21:56.00mgearythat's a big paste. what line #s?
21:57.04Jacob_Kerr493 in my cat class..
21:57.12Jacob_Kerroh..
21:57.23Jacob_Kerrwell just that top in the constructor..
21:57.34Jacob_Kerrthe top*
21:57.42mgearyok
21:58.20mgearyso you want a category instance to have access to variables of the class in whose function the instance is created?
21:58.22Jacob_Kerrso I could use $this->
21:58.55bwelkerwhere do you want to use $this, in the categories class, or the mysql_db class
21:59.03Jacob_Kerrthe mysql..
21:59.08bwelkerhmmm
21:59.10Jacob_Kerrsee that's what I am talking about.
21:59.10mgearyok
21:59.16mgearyso do this:
21:59.19bwelkeryeah, i don't know how you can do that
21:59.21Jacob_KerrCool..
21:59.36Jacob_Kerrso if I use this: instead of this->
21:59.39Jacob_Kerrthat will work.
21:59.40mgeary$this->mysql_db->variable_to_hold_instance = $this
21:59.51Jacob_Kerroh duh.. LOL..
21:59.52mgearyand set up  variable_to_hold_instance
21:59.53Jacob_Kerrthat's right..
21:59.55Jacob_Kerrsheesh..
22:00.04mgeary:)
22:00.10Jacob_Kerrman I had everything backwards..
22:00.24bwelkerand you'll have to pass a reference to $this from the categories class into the constructor of the mysql_db class
22:01.04mgearybwelker: not necessarily to the constructor
22:01.04mgearyyou could do it any way any time
22:01.04Jacob_Kerrwell it does not have to go into the constructor..
22:01.04mgearybut you do need to pass it
22:01.04bwelkerright, but eventually
22:01.04Jacob_Kerrno not really, right?
22:01.07mgeary?
22:01.09bwelkerthe constructors a good a place as any though, right?
22:01.18mgearynot necessarily
22:01.26bwelkertrue, i see your point
22:01.28mgearythat implies that you'd ALWAYS want the mysql_db class to have such a var
22:01.32Jacob_Kerryeah but then I have to fill my constructor with a bunch of parameters..
22:01.47bwelkerdon't do it there, i didn't think it through (fast) enough
22:01.54Jacob_KerrCool.
22:02.27Jacob_KerrWell thanx for your help guys :)
22:02.30bwelkerps.  this code looks familiar
22:02.39Jacob_KerrI wrote it all by hand :)
22:02.42bwelkerthe comment style in particular
22:02.50Jacob_KerrCool..
22:03.00Jacob_KerrI have posted some code here before..
22:03.05bwelkeryeah, i remember
22:03.32Jacob_KerrI'm working on improving my commenting..
22:03.40Jacob_Kerrand a million other things LOL..
22:05.02orsonj~rlart
22:05.02jbotpushes the wall down onto macnewbold whilst whistling innocently
22:05.54bwelkerHAHA
22:06.08bwelkermacnewbold gets pwned by an rlart
22:06.38Jacob_Kerrhey if you guys get a sec. would you be willing to look at my code on: http://pastebin.com/m729685a and let me know if there's anything you would do way dif. or just criticize the hell out of it for me :)
22:07.07bwelkerwhat's with all the dollar signs?
22:07.26Jacob_KerrI need some corrective criticism :)
22:07.27Jacob_KerrLOL..
22:07.30bwelkerlol  jk
22:16.34wpsI have an array with unique keys and non-unique values
22:16.36wpsI need to flip it
22:17.05wpsthe problem is that when I flip it some of the nodes are lost since the non-unqiue values overwrite each other as then become keys
22:17.31bwelkerwhat do you want it to do?
22:17.45bwelkerbecause there isn't a way to do that, i don't think
22:17.52bwelkerwithout losing something
22:17.57wpsright… that's my question
22:18.00wpshow to do it without loosing things
22:18.07bwelkeryou could make a function
22:18.33bwelkerthat tests if the key exists, and append an incremental counter if it does
22:18.33wpsI have a foreach that I am half into… it's just ugly and I was hoping that there would be an easier way
22:18.37bwelkernot elegant, but hey
22:18.54bwelkernot that i can think of
22:19.18wpsI wish there was a boolean that you could pass into array_flip() that made it keep unique keys
22:19.31bwelkeror you could make the entries that have multiple keys become an array
22:20.30bwelkerso array(1 => 'a', 2 ='a', 3 => 'b') becomes array('a' => array(1,2), 'b' => 3)
22:20.35bwelkeror something
22:22.31Jacob_Kerrforeach the array???
22:22.48Jacob_Kerrand then flip the key and value but append an unique number to each key?
22:22.50Jacob_KerrLOL..
22:23.08wpsthat's the approach I am taking, Jacob_Kerr
22:23.13wpsnon-LOL
22:23.20Jacob_Kerryeah I know..
22:23.25Jacob_Kerrkinda screwy hu..
22:24.06Jacob_KerrOh sorry I did not read all of above..
22:24.33wpsI was just poking fun… laughing at how often you LOL
22:24.35wps:)
22:24.53Jacob_Kerryeah I LOL when it's all messed up.
22:24.58Jacob_KerrIt's kinda funny..
22:25.39Jacob_KerrHey people do it in politics all the time..
22:25.56Jacob_Kerrmaking serious stuff into a joke so that's all it is just a joke and nothing else..
22:26.08Jacob_Kerror funny*
22:26.11jsmithLNOL?
22:26.20jsmith(laughing not out loud?)
22:26.24Jacob_KerrLNOL..
22:26.30Jacob_Kerrbut I just LOL..
22:26.53wpspeople rarely LOL
22:26.57wpsmost CTM
22:27.07Jacob_Kerreverytime I type it I am LOL..
22:32.37bwelker~wtf ctm
22:33.05synicjbot: idiot
22:33.05jbothmm... idiot is you
22:33.13bwelkersnap
22:33.40bwelkerwps: ctm?
22:33.42wpschuckles to myself
22:33.46bwelkerahh
22:34.06bwelker~ctm means chuckles to myself
22:34.23bwelkerdon't think that worked
22:34.32wpsjbot, ctm is chuckles to myself
22:34.33jbot...but ctm is already something else...
22:34.37wps~ctm
22:34.38jbotSNMP interface statistics gatherer. URL: http://www.cityline.net/~lf/ctm/
22:34.49wpsjbot, no ctm is chuckles to myself
22:34.50jbotokay, wps
22:34.59bwelker~wtf ctm
22:46.21wpshere is my soution
22:46.22wpshttp://rafb.net/p/e9NkNQ30.html
22:46.55wpsyou can ignore lines 8-15… sorry I didn't trim that out of the paste
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22:55.47mgearyum
22:55.49mgearysolution to what?
22:58.04wpsmy array_flip() problem
22:58.52mgearyah. must have missed that
23:00.42wpsneeded a way to do an array_flip() while preserving unique values
23:03.28mgearyso you preserve them by giving the key a unique name
23:03.56wpsthere's no way to do it without a foreach though, is there?
23:04.02mgearymy instinct would have been to fiddle around with array_keys and array_values
23:04.14mgearybut you'd still need to iterate at some point, i'd think
23:05.55mgearythough i guess you could do something with array_map
23:06.09mgearythought that's just pushing the iteration somewhere else (presumably faster)
23:06.41wpsdear, PHP devs… PHP 6 should do this:
23:07.26wpsarray_flip($trans, UNIQUE_KEYS);
23:07.50mgearybut how should it create/name the keys?
23:08.02wpswith an optional third parameter to pass in what the suffix should be that is appended to the keys
23:08.07wpsarray_flip($trans, UNIQUE_KEYS, $suffix);
23:08.18mgearymeh
23:08.27wpsarray_flip($trans, UNIQUE_KEYS, '_' . rand());
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