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| 15:25.23 | mgeary | morning folks |
| 15:25.28 | mgeary | any proftpd users out there? |
| 15:25.29 | mindjuju | morning mgeary |
| 15:25.55 | mgeary | ahhh |
| 15:25.56 | mindjuju | there are, but trying to rememer who |
| 15:26.02 | mgeary | !#!@$%@ selinux |
| 15:26.12 | SunSparc | Users? Or admins? |
| 15:26.13 | mindjuju | because somebody here suggested it when i requested info on ftp on ubuntu |
| 15:26.13 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 15:26.33 | mindjuju | but then fungus told me that sftp was much easier |
| 15:26.38 | mgeary | well, true that |
| 15:26.48 | mgeary | but for sftp you need "real" unix accounts |
| 15:26.58 | mgeary | with proftpd/mysql, you can create users/homedirs in a db |
| 15:27.15 | mgeary | it's all set up properly, i'm just being hamstrung by selinux |
| 15:27.17 | mgeary | again |
| 15:27.53 | bwelker | switch to windows |
| 15:28.03 | mgeary | oooh! |
| 15:28.09 | bwelker | ;) |
| 15:28.11 | SunSparc | ~lart bwelker |
| 15:28.12 | jbot | says "boot to the head" and knocks bwelker over |
| 15:28.29 | bwelker | no silly people, windows is the best |
| 15:28.53 | bwelker | none of these cryptic command line commands, just point and crash |
| 15:28.54 | SunSparc | +1 kick the windows monger |
| 15:28.58 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:29.10 | bwelker | s/crash/click/ |
| 15:29.17 | bwelker | oops |
| 15:29.18 | bwelker | ;) |
| 15:29.31 | SunSparc | that better |
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| 16:14.56 | wps | mailing list status: |
| 16:15.01 | wps | (subscribers) |
| 16:15.05 | wps | uphpu-announce: 137 |
| 16:15.30 | wps | uphpu-jobs: 264 |
| 16:16.17 | wps | uphpu: 207 |
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| 16:19.21 | wps | linked-in members: 92 |
| 16:20.01 | orsonj | speaking of mailing lists, just a quick service announcement: To subscribe random people to spam lists go to http://www.eventsthatmatter.com/members/109/ Substitute 109 for any number smaller for more lists. |
| 16:20.07 | wps | IRC members: 35 |
| 16:22.11 | wps | orsonj: what's your email address? |
| 16:22.17 | orsonj | someone needs to build a script that takes a list of emails and subscribes them to all the lists on that server |
| 16:22.35 | orsonj | wps.spam@gmail.com |
| 16:22.47 | orsonj | (actually, I already subscribed to all of them) |
| 16:23.05 | orsonj | perhaps not that last one, it seems to be a recent addition |
| 16:23.34 | wps | you subscribed to them all just to test the system? |
| 16:23.40 | orsonj | yep |
| 16:23.48 | orsonj | no confirmation email for any of them |
| 16:23.50 | wps | what was your connection with this site again? |
| 16:23.54 | orsonj | just signs you up |
| 16:24.06 | orsonj | we are 82 |
| 16:24.11 | bwelker | orsonj: you might like this one: http://www.mintemail.com/ |
| 16:24.20 | wps | 82? |
| 16:24.39 | orsonj | http://www.eventsthatmatter.com/members/82/ |
| 16:25.16 | wps | we? |
| 16:25.26 | orsonj | part of my campaign to get EventsThatMatter to become a more user friendly system. |
| 16:25.30 | orsonj | USU Bookstore |
| 16:25.37 | orsonj | I am the main web guy |
| 16:25.46 | wps | if you're in charge, why don't you fix it? |
| 16:25.46 | orsonj | I didn't get to choose the spam service though. |
| 16:26.02 | orsonj | I'm not in charge, I just get to do most of the work. |
| 16:26.09 | wps | ah |
| 16:26.40 | orsonj | ETM is a third party service that is part of a package deal |
| 16:26.58 | orsonj | so of course why would we use something else to spam people? |
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| 16:34.21 | timinator | is there any way to reset the DNS on a computer or router? |
| 16:34.36 | wps | flush it's cache? |
| 16:34.44 | timinator | ya |
| 16:34.57 | wps | you can on Mac OS (but I don't know about other OSs or routers) |
| 16:35.05 | timinator | so that it checks the DNS server again |
| 16:35.06 | mgeary | afaik, it's probably your ISPs DNS that you're having a problem with |
| 16:35.07 | timinator | k |
| 16:35.17 | timinator | possibly.... |
| 16:38.50 | timinator | wps: how do you do it in Mac OS? |
| 16:39.25 | wps | dscacheutil -flushcache |
| 16:39.29 | wps | (from the command line) |
| 16:39.33 | PoeticIntensity | If I understand your question, timinator, in Linux you just delete a file called "/etc/resolv.conf" and then restart your network service (if it's using DHCP)... |
| 16:39.42 | PoeticIntensity | that'll pull in the DNS info from your ISP again... |
| 16:39.44 | PoeticIntensity | (at least in gentoo) |
| 16:41.49 | tierra | well, it will likely pull from your router actually, but yeah, that's pulled from the modem, and the modem pulls from the ISP... I've configured my router to assign manual DNS servers through DHCP |
| 16:42.02 | tierra | so it's possible that it needs to be changed/updated on the router first |
| 16:42.31 | PoeticIntensity | yup... there are lots of variables in that stuff, for sure. |
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| 16:49.41 | SunSparc | Ssshhh, he's here. |
| 16:49.46 | timinator | thanks guys... putting out a fire right now, I'll try it in a min |
| 17:02.58 | mgeary | ~greet Guest25403 |
| 17:02.59 | jbot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on Guest25403 |
| 17:07.05 | mgeary | oatmeal allergy? |
| 17:08.40 | wps | so I just got off the phone with the company helpdesk |
| 17:08.49 | wps | they tell me that they cannot set my password to never expire |
| 17:08.55 | wps | even if they wanted to |
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| 17:09.03 | PoeticIntensity | what a crock. |
| 17:09.04 | wps | and it's not a company policy thing |
| 17:09.05 | PoeticIntensity | I hate that. |
| 17:09.28 | wps | they say that after the "ENRON thing" there are new policies for publicly traded companies called "SOCKS" |
| 17:09.32 | PoeticIntensity | Novell had that as company police, as far as I remember... |
| 17:09.33 | wps | that require this |
| 17:09.39 | _psychic__ | SoX |
| 17:09.43 | wps | anyone know anything about that? |
| 17:09.43 | _psychic__ | Sarbanes Oxley |
| 17:09.43 | PoeticIntensity | serious? |
| 17:09.51 | wps | is that true or is that a bunch of crap? |
| 17:09.54 | _psychic__ | it's true |
| 17:09.58 | wps | that's stupid |
| 17:10.03 | PoeticIntensity | horse pucky. |
| 17:10.11 | _psychic__ | not if you're invested in a company, and they're completely IT insecure |
| 17:10.16 | wps | I don't see how me changing my password makes anything more secure |
| 17:10.21 | _psychic__ | you don't? |
| 17:10.25 | wps | I don't |
| 17:10.35 | PoeticIntensity | I would, if my password was "abc123" |
| 17:10.46 | _psychic__ | if you never change it, it's only a matter of time until I guess it |
| 17:10.46 | wps | what's the difference between the password I have now and the one I had yesterday? |
| 17:10.54 | _psychic__ | um |
| 17:10.57 | _psychic__ | they're different |
| 17:10.59 | _psychic__ | that's the difference. |
| 17:11.01 | wps | you didn't know it then and you don't know it now |
| 17:11.11 | _psychic__ | yeah but if I'm guessing it |
| 17:11.13 | _psychic__ | I know what it isn't |
| 17:11.15 | PoeticIntensity | but how does changing something like "kjdER431%@^7HD@" make anything more secure? |
| 17:11.18 | _psychic__ | if it never changes |
| 17:11.30 | _psychic__ | PoeticIntensity: because I can't dictionary attack it as fast |
| 17:12.07 | wps | yeah, but I am only required to change it every six months |
| 17:12.07 | _psychic__ | have you ever tried to break into something before? |
| 17:12.23 | PoeticIntensity | nope. |
| 17:12.24 | wps | wouldn't your dictionary attack be over by then? |
| 17:12.37 | wps | s/by/before? |
| 17:12.39 | wps | s/by/before/ |
| 17:12.50 | wps | stupid bot |
| 17:12.51 | PoeticIntensity | I can fundamentally understand that, yes, it would be more secure to change the passwords.... |
| 17:12.58 | _psychic__ | if everyone in an organization has rotating passwords, it's much, much harder to get it |
| 17:13.25 | PoeticIntensity | by the same token, the hacker doesn't know if the passwords are changing or not (in my case) |
| 17:13.25 | _psychic__ | *get in |
| 17:13.30 | wps | I agreeâ¦Â of course it's _more_ secure than not, but I don't see it being anything substantial enough to be worth the hassle/inconvenience |
| 17:13.39 | _psychic__ | it doesn't have anything to do with what the hacker knows |
| 17:13.46 | _psychic__ | he's not manually making tries himself |
| 17:14.25 | PoeticIntensity | I find it very difficult to believe that a hacking program could ever crack one of my passwords... Changing, or not. |
| 17:14.48 | PoeticIntensity | not just mine, but anyone who has sensible passwords. |
| 17:14.48 | _psychic__ | it's only a matter of time if you're never changing it |
| 17:14.55 | PoeticIntensity | yes... |
| 17:15.03 | PoeticIntensity | and if that time is 5000 years, then I'm good with that. |
| 17:15.31 | PoeticIntensity | fundamentally, _psychic__, I agree with ya... |
| 17:15.40 | _psychic__ | no you don't :) |
| 17:15.53 | PoeticIntensity | but taking something that would take thousands of years to crack and resetting it back to thousands of years to crack... |
| 17:16.03 | PoeticIntensity | doesn't seem worth the hoopla they're making about it. |
| 17:16.18 | _psychic__ | twice a year isn't hoopla |
| 17:16.25 | _psychic__ | once a month sure would be |
| 17:16.35 | _psychic__ | i know places that do six weeks |
| 17:16.50 | _psychic__ | it all comes down to how much hassle you can put up with versus how much you can stand to lose |
| 17:16.51 | PoeticIntensity | at Novell, if my memory serves me right, it was once every 3 months. |
| 17:17.06 | wps | trim(_psychic__); |
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| 17:17.32 | wps | wowâ¦Â it worked |
| 17:17.55 | PoeticIntensity | Is it "more" secure to implement this policy? Yes.. Is it worth it? Yes - if your passwords suck, or are written down somewhere.... |
| 17:18.02 | PoeticIntensity | otherwise, I don't think it's worth it. |
| 17:18.12 | _psychic_ | depends on what you're safeguarding. |
| 17:18.17 | PoeticIntensity | true... |
| 17:18.18 | PoeticIntensity | very true. |
| 17:18.22 | PoeticIntensity | for ME.... |
| 17:18.26 | PoeticIntensity | not worth it *at all*. |
| 17:18.28 | _psychic_ | apparently wps doesn't guard much :) |
| 17:18.35 | wps | that's my pointâ¦Â most people's passwords are 12345 or "password" and are on a stickie note on their display |
| 17:18.49 | PoeticIntensity | what I'm guarding is very important to ME, but for the rest of the world, it'd be slightly more than useless. |
| 17:18.54 | wps | so how making them change it from "password" to "password1" seems pointless |
| 17:19.09 | wps | s/how// |
| 17:19.17 | _psychic_ | so is password rotation the *only* password policy they have in place? |
| 17:19.38 | PoeticIntensity | at Novell 2-3 years ago.... Yes. |
| 17:19.44 | PoeticIntensity | I could have my password be "hi" |
| 17:20.16 | wps | I don't know what length/character requirements they haveâ¦Â I always create a long one with numbers and letters |
| 17:20.30 | wps | I do know that you can't reuse the same one until you have used 24 different ones |
| 17:21.15 | _psychic_ | security vs. usability is always an ongoing war - it just depends on your organization |
| 17:21.24 | _psychic_ | though if you're public, you gotta be sox compliant. |
| 17:22.29 | wps | I want a biometric keyboard and mouse |
| 17:22.55 | wps | if it's me typing/mousingâ¦Â it lets me proceedâ¦Â if notâ¦Â it doesn't respond |
| 17:23.08 | wps | no password required |
| 17:23.39 | _psychic_ | in that case it's privacy vs. security :) |
| 17:23.48 | wps | true |
| 17:24.05 | wps | I guess it'd rather be inconvenienced than loose my privacy |
| 17:24.08 | wps | alrightâ¦Â _psychic_ wins |
| 17:25.44 | wps | I cherish the password on my personal computer and personal server that I have had for years |
| 17:26.02 | wps | I love not being sox-compliant on my personal things |
| 17:29.54 | _psychic_ | er, John, rather. |
| 17:30.15 | _psychic_ | I attacked my own mail server once to see how bad people's passwords were |
| 17:30.22 | _psychic_ | it was worse than I thought :) |
| 17:32.45 | orsonj | I agree, password rotation isn't that great |
| 17:32.55 | wps | ^5 orsonj |
| 17:33.47 | orsonj | I'd rather memorize a few good passwords and keep them for more than a couple years |
| 17:34.11 | wps | that's my feelingsâ¦Â if you have to keep changing itâ¦Â you start getting sloppy and making them too simple |
| 17:34.22 | wps | you loose interest in coming up with something really complex |
| 17:34.42 | bwelker | or you resort to writing them down somewhere because you can't remember them |
| 17:34.57 | bwelker | as is the case with my new FTP pass |
| 17:34.59 | orsonj | yep. memorize a few for important stuff and keep eveything else in a password safe program |
| 17:36.07 | orsonj | don't forget to run them through the shredder, then take the little pieces of paper and make a paper mache (sp?) mask with them. |
| 17:36.59 | bwelker | = super secure |
| 17:36.59 | fungus | The only secure computer is one that has no power. |
| 17:37.04 | bwelker | nah |
| 17:37.17 | orsonj | Paper mache mask as protection since they can scan scraps of paper from both trash cans and put it back together. |
| 17:37.18 | bwelker | i could still get into it with a screwdriver and a tape reader |
| 17:38.01 | bwelker | not if they don't know which two trash cans i put them in... |
| 17:38.38 | orsonj | The only secure information is info that you don't know and can prove you don't know/have access to. |
| 17:39.20 | orsonj | heh |
| 17:39.49 | orsonj | speaking of security, what thinks ye of privnote.com |
| 17:40.38 | mindjuju | orsonj - i just read about that |
| 17:40.41 | mindjuju | sounds cool |
| 17:40.46 | bwelker | i can bypass it with a simple screen grab |
| 17:41.26 | mindjuju | yeah, but it isn't that the message die, i think as the method to document it existed and created by you is gone |
| 17:42.22 | mindjuju | so the difference at that point between the screengrab and a photoshoped image of a message in privnote.com interface is very little |
| 17:43.15 | bwelker | you better patent that high tech privnote hack method before somebody else jumps on it |
| 17:43.27 | orsonj | yeah, but a handy tool for giving away tickets: first one to respond with this code gets tickts to stadium of hanna montana https://privnote.com/n/uvhqfcvderozitlc/ |
| 17:43.37 | bwelker | nice |
| 17:44.00 | bwelker | i lose :( |
| 17:44.07 | wps | I win |
| 17:44.12 | orsonj | heh |
| 17:44.41 | orsonj | internet version of radio contests |
| 17:45.06 | bwelker | now somebody needs to find a way to make privnote work for the 10th reader |
| 17:45.21 | bwelker | or the 99th for something really big |
| 17:45.38 | bwelker | (or 102nd) depending on which station you listen to |
| 17:46.27 | mindjuju | so does anybody have / selling / interested in selling 3 21" CRTs? |
| 17:50.08 | fungus | Wouldn't the brac bot in #utah destroy every privnote ever posted in there? |
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| 17:54.22 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 17:54.23 | jbot | urinates on jsmith-away |
| 17:54.26 | fungus | And how do they get around the race condition when two people read it at the same time before it gets deleted? |
| 17:54.28 | macnewbold | eww |
| 17:55.08 | mindjuju | fungus |
| 17:55.17 | mindjuju | you guys selling any old monitors? |
| 17:55.30 | mindjuju | or utah_dave , you guys selling any old monitors? |
| 17:55.54 | fungus | hrm, not sure. but I highly doubt we have any 21" monitors even if we were. |
| 17:55.58 | fungus | I'll check though. |
| 17:56.06 | mindjuju | thx |
| 18:03.30 | mindjuju | mgeary, do ya'll have old monitors? |
| 18:04.50 | mgeary | they're all 17" |
| 18:05.35 | mindjuju | oh bummer |
| 18:05.41 | mindjuju | thx though |
| 18:08.32 | beandog | mindjuju, you need old monitors? |
| 18:08.56 | mindjuju | yeah, preferably 19" or greater, 21s would be perfect |
| 18:09.01 | mindjuju | you got a few? |
| 18:09.11 | beandog | mindjuju, how soon do you need them |
| 18:09.20 | mindjuju | i'm patient |
| 18:09.27 | mindjuju | how long till they are available? |
| 18:09.43 | beandog | mindjuju, well I was gonna recommend the BYU surplus sale |
| 18:09.55 | beandog | They always have ..... lots |
| 18:10.21 | beandog | I dunno when the next one is though |
| 18:10.25 | mindjuju | hmmm... byu surplus |
| 18:10.33 | mindjuju | i'll have to see when that is |
| 18:10.48 | mindjuju | doesn't UofU do the same? |
| 18:10.51 | beandog | Youd have about a hundred to pick from |
| 18:10.57 | fungus | http://web.utah.edu/surplus/ |
| 18:11.32 | beandog | fungus, hey they have cars for sale! |
| 18:11.36 | SunSparc | Any LCD surplus? |
| 18:11.45 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I could sell you a bunch of them. but first we have to "DX" the monitors. Then they'll sit in an old office for 12 to 18 months while someone gets off their behinds and does they're job. |
| 18:11.48 | beandog | SunSparc, sometimes, but they go fast. |
| 18:11.54 | SunSparc | beandog: I am sure |
| 18:12.06 | Utah_Dave | then they'll get picked over by other Utah gov agencies |
| 18:12.16 | Utah_Dave | then they'll sit in another warehouse somewhere, |
| 18:12.52 | Utah_Dave | then several more years down the road they'll be offered to the public on a pallete 8 years past their usefulness |
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| 18:21.51 | mgeary | it was a bit beat up |
| 18:21.58 | mgeary | but otherwise serviceable |
| 18:22.42 | beandog | heh |
| 18:26.22 | orsonj | I've been looking for a good mortar and pestle. Perhaps I'll take a look |
| 18:28.43 | orsonj | funny how some things just don't go away |
| 18:31.59 | mindjuju | Utah_Dave - where would one look to find gov surplus? |
| 18:41.14 | mgeary | anyone have any experience with Serendipity (http://www.s9y.org/) for blogging? I've got a client who wants a blogging system, and doesn't want to pay for something custom. |
| 18:43.24 | macnewbold | *cough* wordpress *cough* |
| 18:43.41 | mgeary | wordpress is GPL |
| 18:43.53 | mgeary | this is on a for-pay site |
| 18:43.56 | macnewbold | does he want to use it, or customize it? |
| 18:44.12 | macnewbold | that's okay, as long as he sin't modifying and redistributing the wordpress source code |
| 18:44.20 | mindjuju | i thought you could use wordpress for profit |
| 18:44.28 | mindjuju | like link ads rev, etc |
| 18:44.35 | macnewbold | yep |
| 18:45.13 | mindjuju | though if i recall, mgeary has issues with WP code |
| 18:45.29 | mindjuju | though i've found it to be decent |
| 18:45.31 | mgeary | well, it's a given that if we go 3rd-party for a blogging system, we're not touching the code |
| 18:45.45 | macnewbold | then gpl should be no problem at all |
| 18:46.02 | mgeary | messing with 3rd party code is really unpleasant |
| 18:46.05 | macnewbold | amen |
| 18:46.07 | fungus | GPL doesn't mean you can't use it for profit, it just means you can't sell it without providing the source and same freedoms. |
| 18:46.14 | macnewbold | even 2nd party code can be a pain |
| 18:46.21 | mgeary | heh. true |
| 18:47.14 | mgeary | but no, i won't consider WP for this particular need. Sorry, josephscott. Nothing personal |
| 18:47.53 | fungus | I'm curious. Why are you discounting WP? Features, license, other? |
| 18:49.00 | josephscott | sorry, wasn't following the conversation |
| 18:49.08 | mgeary | just unpleasant (but limited) experiences |
| 18:49.15 | mindjuju | we're just talking about blogs |
| 18:49.17 | macnewbold | if not wp, there are dozens of others, though I've never heard of this s9y.org |
| 18:49.22 | mindjuju | and one called serendipity |
| 18:49.25 | mgeary | the way WP (multiuser) goes crazy with database tables is simply not something i want to have to deal with. |
| 18:49.44 | macnewbold | you shouldn't have to deal with it, right? You're not going to be messing with any of the code? |
| 18:49.44 | josephscott | mgeary: interestingly enough, there's a reason it does that |
| 18:49.54 | mgeary | josephscott: i know, and it's a good reason |
| 18:50.04 | mgeary | but it's not one i want to deal with in this particular context |
| 18:50.41 | mgeary | macnewbold: that's the hope... I guess i should backpedal a bit. I'd *consider* WP, but i'm not inclined towards it |
| 18:50.47 | josephscott | so you are looking at a large number of blogs? |
| 18:51.16 | mgeary | not sure yet |
| 18:51.26 | mgeary | client is still roughing in requirements |
| 18:51.43 | josephscott | WPMU should only be used is specific cases in my opinion |
| 18:51.56 | josephscott | and usually not the ones that people think of :-) |
| 18:52.49 | mgeary | even though i'd hope to never touch the code, something that was OOP would gain substantial props in my book. I'd much, much, MUCH prefer to simply write a subclass to provide custom functionality than mess around in the code. |
| 18:53.12 | mgeary | macnewbold: if you installed it yourself, you're probably using vanilla WP |
| 18:53.26 | mgeary | if you're using a free blog on a site, you're probably using WPMU |
| 18:54.10 | macnewbold | installed myself. so wpmu is just capable of handling multiple blogs in one install, is that it? |
| 18:54.21 | macnewbold | ~unum |
| 18:54.22 | jbot | rumour has it, unum is 70.89.247.221 |
| 18:54.38 | mgeary | yeah. it makes a new set of database tables for each blog instance |
| 18:56.03 | mgeary | which probably saves a lot on primary key inflation and such, since each blog is basically related to a set of db files |
| 18:57.18 | josephscott | mgeary: wordpress has a pretty extensive plugin API http://codex.wordpress.org/Plugin_API |
| 18:57.43 | josephscott | haven't found a need to subclass specific code |
| 18:58.16 | josephscott | the multiple database issue has more to do with mysql, specifically innodb |
| 18:58.40 | josephscott | and also updates |
| 18:59.09 | josephscott | have you tried altering a table in mysql that has 10 million rows? not as fun as it sounds. It has to copy the whole table |
| 19:00.01 | josephscott | believe me, I'm generally in favor of the monolithic table approach, but there are gotcha/limitation issues with mysql that don't really make it practical on a large scale |
| 19:00.27 | mgeary | yeah, that's not fun |
| 19:00.31 | josephscott | it also allows for keeping related data together while horizontally scalling |
| 19:00.54 | josephscott | so we can still do a join for data within one blog at the SQL level |
| 19:01.02 | mindjuju | just the other day i was thinking of horizontal scaling |
| 19:04.25 | mindjuju | 1 good reason to live in Quebec - http://cgi.ebay.com/USED-21-CRT-Monitor-from-Dell-IBM-Samsung-Viewsonic_W0QQitemZ320270766445QQihZ011QQcategoryZ70814QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 19:05.25 | josephscott | most sites don't need to worry about high page view scaling, but it's good to have an application layer that can, just in case you get really popular :-) |
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| 20:05.44 | _psychic_ | Anyone know an online service you can use to *sell* videos? |
| 20:09.51 | wps | craigs list? |
| 20:10.09 | orsonj | amazon/ebay? |
| 20:10.15 | orsonj | or digitally? |
| 20:10.50 | _psychic_ | digitally |
| 20:10.51 | timinator | iTunes if you have a hookup?!? |
| 20:10.58 | _psychic_ | yeah maybe |
| 20:11.27 | _psychic_ | I'm looking for something thats like youtube/vimeo/metacafe.... but allows for paid vids somehow |
| 20:11.32 | orsonj | I setup someone with zencart that did digital downloads, but I don't know if it could handle video sized content. |
| 20:29.35 | mgeary | _psychic_: you selling persistent access to online videos or selling video downloads? |
| 20:29.51 | _psychic_ | either |
| 20:30.00 | _psychic_ | client wants some sort of DRM if it's a download |
| 20:30.18 | mgeary | best DRM in my opinion is a watermark |
| 20:30.33 | mgeary | other DRMs are complicated and expensive |
| 20:30.51 | _psychic_ | they want it all the same I think |
| 20:31.06 | _psychic_ | gotta make it at least a little tough to view it without paying |
| 20:31.15 | mgeary | so that rules out QuickTime and Flash |
| 20:31.30 | mgeary | there goes 90% of your audience... |
| 20:31.47 | _psychic_ | Quicktime has DRM. |
| 20:31.56 | mgeary | they don't license it |
| 20:32.00 | orsonj | It looks like google video might be an option. I'm looking at it |
| 20:32.02 | _psychic_ | it doesn't have to be web delivered. |
| 20:32.14 | _psychic_ | orsonj: they *used* to allow for-pay videos but don't anymore. |
| 20:33.21 | mgeary | _psychic_: so traditional drop-ship DVD is an option? |
| 20:33.32 | mgeary | you could do that with Macrovision |
| 20:33.36 | mgeary | but i hear that's pricy |
| 20:33.39 | mgeary | pricey |
| 20:34.11 | _psychic_ | hm |
| 20:34.12 | mgeary | you can also use QuickTime with media keys |
| 20:34.42 | _psychic_ | I'll have to look at that |
| 20:35.04 | mgeary | but i believe Sorenson is the only codec that currently supports media keys, so you couldn't use Mpeg4 |
| 20:35.19 | mgeary | but if it's not for web, that might be okay |
| 20:35.53 | _psychic_ | hmmmm |
| 20:35.54 | mgeary | what if you just used Red5 and flash video? |
| 20:36.03 | _psychic_ | yeah possibly |
| 20:36.09 | _psychic_ | stuff like that is so easy to capture |
| 20:36.13 | _psychic_ | I suppose it all is though |
| 20:36.26 | _psychic_ | thankfully the client realizes how futile drm can be |
| 20:36.28 | mgeary | which stuff is easy to capture? |
| 20:36.38 | _psychic_ | anything I see on my screen |
| 20:36.45 | mgeary | well, yeah. but anything in particular? |
| 20:37.01 | mgeary | i've never found a solution to capture streaming flash |
| 20:37.08 | mgeary | short of making a desktop screen movie of it |
| 20:37.33 | _psychic_ | that's what I've done in the past |
| 20:37.33 | mgeary | and i haven't checked recently, but last time i did, i could find no hack for Quicktime media keys |
| 20:37.46 | _psychic_ | are those keys user-entered? |
| 20:37.59 | mgeary | you can build player apps that enter/manage them |
| 20:38.07 | mgeary | i used to do that all the time with Director |
| 20:39.58 | _psychic_ | ahh director |
| 20:40.03 | _psychic_ | haven't used that in a looong time |
| 20:40.05 | mgeary | :) yeah |
| 20:40.12 | _psychic_ | lingo, right? |
| 20:40.17 | mgeary | oh yeah |
| 20:40.25 | mgeary | didn't know you used Director... |
| 20:40.38 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 20:41.03 | _psychic_ | from "Marginal" to "Tolerable" ? |
| 20:41.22 | mgeary | no, you're all the way up to "Acceptable" now |
| 20:41.26 | _psychic_ | yesssss |
| 20:41.38 | mgeary | but not to "You can date my sister" yet |
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| 21:02.10 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 21:02.10 | jbot | offers herlo some herring |
| 21:03.12 | bwelker | mac needs a cron job to run an rlart at random intervals throughout the day |
| 21:04.27 | bwelker | or a shocker hooked up to his comp so that when the characters r-l-a-r-t are typed in succession, his chair gives him a huge jolt |
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| 21:27.19 | macnewbold | anyone have some good recommendations for forum software? Someone's asking for alternatives to phpbb |
| 21:27.42 | SunSparc | phpbb3 |
| 21:27.56 | SunSparc | I would never use phpbb, too old. |
| 21:28.33 | SunSparc | phpbb3 though, seems pretty nice |
| 21:28.42 | _psychic_ | http://getvanilla.com/ ? |
| 21:30.49 | SunSparc | http://groups.google.com/ |
| 21:36.30 | redroy | I like punbb http://punbb.informer.com/ |
| 21:43.33 | SunSparc | I like the Apple forums, but the software running it is quite expensive. |
| 21:45.01 | SunSparc | And it is Java. |
| 21:59.32 | wps | I agree, SunSparc |
| 22:00.00 | wps | the Apple Support forums are about the only ones I have enjoyed using |
| 22:01.26 | tierra | http://www.simplemachines.org/ |
| 22:05.02 | orsonj | ~rlart |
| 22:05.03 | jbot | beats wps into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 22:08.43 | bwelker | ~rlart |
| 22:08.44 | jbot | whips out his power stapler and staples bwelker's foot to the floor |
| 22:08.55 | bwelker | damn, backfired |
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| 22:35.05 | timinator | gotta run.... later guys |
| 22:47.30 | redroy | I found this online to split a string by caps and add spaces... it works fine I'm just curious if someone could explain the relation of the $1 and $2 vars? Does preg_replace see these as the order for replacement? |
| 22:47.33 | redroy | code: preg_replace('/([a-z])([A-Z])/', '$1 $2', $index) |
| 22:48.01 | bwelker | $1 is the first matching group int parens, and $2 is the second one |
| 22:48.29 | bwelker | so $1 is any lowercase letter and $2 is any uppercase letter |
| 22:48.40 | bwelker | thats a strange regex btw |
| 22:49.47 | redroy | yeah, for some reason I can't wrap my head around it... maybe because it's really not the best way to go about it... |
| 22:50.00 | bwelker | no, it looks like it would work pretty well |
| 22:51.38 | bwelker | to clarify... the / is the start of the regex, then you have a capture group inside the first parens (saved as $1) which is any character between a-z (any lowercase letter), then you have a second capture group (the second parens, saved as $2) which is any character between A-ZS (any uppercase letter), then you have the closing / which closes the regec |
| 22:51.41 | bwelker | *regex |
| 22:52.35 | bwelker | so if it finds a lowercase letter followed immediately by an upper case letter, it matches, saving the lowercase letter into $1, and the uppercase letter into $2, then outputs those with a space between |
| 22:53.39 | redroy | Ah! That makes sense |
| 22:54.07 | bwelker | regex = crazy notation |
| 22:54.17 | bwelker | but once you get used to it, it's kinda easy |
| 22:54.32 | bwelker | not real easy, it's still pretty wonky, but at least you can understand it |
| 22:54.40 | wps | regex is the language of love |
| 22:54.48 | bwelker | i thought that was russian |
| 22:54.53 | bwelker | or perl |
| 22:55.19 | redroy | just to make sure I'm following ok here... for a $3 variable to be introduced there would have to be a third group... |
| 22:55.25 | bwelker | yeah |
| 22:55.31 | bwelker | wrapped in parens |
| 22:55.34 | redroy | very cool |
| 22:55.39 | redroy | thanks, bwelker |
| 22:55.58 | bwelker | if you don't want the parens to capture add the ?: modifier like this (?:no_capture) |
| 22:56.10 | bwelker | then it's still a group, but it's not saved |
| 22:56.26 | bwelker | useful for alternations |
| 22:56.47 | redroy | like, (?:[a-z]) |
| 22:57.00 | bwelker | anybody using regular expression on a regular basis, i HIGHLY recommend regex buddy |
| 22:57.01 | bwelker | yeah |
| 22:57.16 | mgeary | psh |
| 22:57.27 | mgeary | Chuck Norris compiles regex expressions in his head |
| 22:57.27 | bwelker | http://www.regexbuddy.com/ it costs, but if you use it, it's worth it |
| 22:57.36 | redroy | cool, thanks again |
| 22:57.37 | bwelker | so do I, but I didn't want to brag =) |
| 22:57.38 | wps | wow! |
| 22:57.41 | wps | that website is awesome |
| 22:57.58 | bwelker | lol, don't go by the design |
| 22:58.02 | wps | I miss geocities so bad |
| 22:58.11 | bwelker | the software is waaay better than the site design |
| 22:58.48 | bwelker | http://www.regular-expressions.info/ - done by the same guy, but it's just info |
| 22:58.57 | bwelker | lots of good info there |
| 22:59.19 | bwelker | once you wade through his self promotions |
| 22:59.22 | wps | this is my regex cheat sheet of choice: http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/regex.htm |
| 22:59.31 | wps | I wade through _everything_ |
| 22:59.32 | redroy | crap, I'm on a mac... is there a good one for mac? |
| 22:59.36 | wps | ~rimshot |
| 22:59.37 | jbot | ba-dum CHH |
| 22:59.56 | SunSparc | Good one, Wade. |
| 23:00.13 | wps | redroy: watch your mouth |
| 23:00.19 | wps | don't ever say "crap, I'm on a Mac" |
| 23:00.25 | bwelker | until SunSparc's comment i was a little lost on that one |
| 23:00.26 | redroy | lol |
| 23:00.45 | mgeary | hahaha. wps, my exact thoughts |
| 23:01.01 | redroy | I meant, "crap, it's only for windows" |
| 23:01.07 | bwelker | i always say "crap, i'm on a Mac" then I boot up Minesweeper and heave a large sigh of relief |
| 23:01.24 | bwelker | Spider Solitaire anyone? |
| 23:01.32 | SunSparc | Get a rope |
| 23:01.34 | wps | noâ¦Â "glad I won't be running that on my computerâ¦Â if the author wrote it for windows then it must be crap" |
| 23:01.41 | bwelker | FreeCell = best. game. ever. |
| 23:02.32 | SunSparc | next to Soduk |
| 23:02.33 | SunSparc | o |
| 23:02.47 | bwelker | regex buddy can be run with wine, or on a mac via bootcamp or something like that |
| 23:03.03 | wps | ~buddy |
| 23:03.04 | jbot | buddy is probably a smart bot or a dumb human who has been around thestuff.net for a while. He still wonders if Laura still has feelings for him... :) |
| 23:03.09 | SunSparc | Eclipse has a decent regex plugin |
| 23:03.34 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:03.53 | wps | iPod touch/iPhone is the best thing that ever happened to toilets |
| 23:03.56 | SunSparc | Commentary on humanity: "Cell phones make toilet time better" |
| 23:04.11 | SunSparc | wps: Amen |
| 23:04.19 | bwelker | broke my stair railing because my legs were seriously asleep because of sudoku on the john |
| 23:04.32 | SunSparc | Except for the legs falling asleep after being on there for an hour.. |
| 23:04.43 | bwelker | ok, maybe that was a little TMI |
| 23:04.44 | SunSparc | bwelker: hehe |
| 23:04.46 | redroy | I'm out... thanks again for your help |
| 23:04.47 | wps | yeah |
| 23:04.49 | wps | a little |
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