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| 05:50.16 | olds_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.38 | wps | I don't have any recommendations on where to get a good deal, but I would take an HP over an Dell |
| 06:07.01 | olds_ | how come? |
| 06:14.22 | olds_ | From what I've figured out, I think the way to roll is to buy the server barebones and put the hdds and memory in yourself |
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| 14:18.54 | bwelker | ~mrkrow |
| 14:18.54 | jbot | somebody said mrkrow was whaleslap bait |
| 14:19.21 | bwelker | whaleslap mrkrow |
| 14:19.30 | bwelker | ~whaleslap mrkrow |
| 14:19.31 | jbot | ACTION beats mrkrow upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 14:21.53 | mrkrow | hello bwelker |
| 14:22.13 | bwelker | hi |
| 14:22.22 | bwelker | it told me to, i had no choice |
| 14:22.27 | mrkrow | :) |
| 14:25.21 | bwelker | really, i didn't want to, i told him no, but jbot was like 'DO IT BEE-OTCH' |
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| 14:33.11 | mindjuju | ~bwelker |
| 14:33.11 | jbot | hmm... bwelker is statistically significant, or thinks he's funny, or the best at everything |
| 14:33.42 | bwelker | thats right, and don't you forget it =) |
| 14:33.46 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 14:33.46 | jbot | i heard mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or canadian |
| 14:33.57 | bwelker | breaks huh? |
| 14:34.03 | mindjuju | sho nuff |
| 14:34.12 | bwelker | dunno about the sweat sext schtuff |
| 14:34.50 | bwelker | i just got done listening to uberzone remix of sarah mcglaughlin (sp?) |
| 14:34.51 | bwelker | nice |
| 14:35.10 | bwelker | breaks is good stuff |
| 14:35.15 | bwelker | i likes me some breaks |
| 14:35.27 | mindjuju | several of us here do |
| 14:35.34 | bwelker | *here? |
| 14:35.37 | mindjuju | timinator , synic to name a few |
| 14:35.42 | bwelker | nice |
| 14:35.50 | bwelker | pum p some breaks on the loudspeaker |
| 14:36.07 | synic | awh yeah |
| 14:36.20 | mindjuju | ^5 synic |
| 14:36.22 | bwelker | wish we could do that here, but mrkrow would complain, being all 'I just got hit by a Hugh' |
| 14:36.26 | synic | ^5 |
| 14:36.28 | mindjuju | synic got me hooked on ravetrax.com |
| 14:36.45 | bwelker | nice, never heard of that, always listen to DI.fm |
| 14:37.26 | mindjuju | yeah, big fan of DI |
| 14:37.43 | mindjuju | it's that pandora.com you gots to stay away from |
| 14:37.48 | bwelker | lol |
| 14:37.51 | bwelker | it's not so bad |
| 14:38.07 | bwelker | although some of the things it things are 'similar' are just plain funny |
| 14:38.15 | bwelker | have you checked out jango.com? |
| 14:38.27 | bwelker | kinda like pandora, but with a bit more control |
| 14:38.57 | mindjuju | dude, pandora = venus flytrap. it plays the music you want while it feeds on your brain |
| 14:39.02 | bwelker | lol |
| 14:39.06 | mindjuju | it's curiously adept at playing what you want |
| 14:39.19 | bwelker | just as long as it plays the music i want, i don't really care what it does with my breain |
| 14:39.33 | bwelker | s/breain/brain |
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| 14:40.15 | mindjuju | feed the brain while it kills you |
| 14:40.26 | bwelker | i actually haven't listened to pandora in quite a while, i'll have to check it out again |
| 14:42.58 | mindjuju | bwelker - here is one for ya from the 80's - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR_Dt-RovCY |
| 14:43.04 | mindjuju | been looking for that one for a long time |
| 14:45.11 | bwelker | back at ya... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO99j2n2rM4 |
| 14:45.43 | bwelker | and because you can't have one without the other... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35mP2-SM_XM |
| 14:46.18 | mindjuju | oh yeah, love this version |
| 14:47.51 | mindjuju | that second one is some serious stuff. |
| 14:48.06 | mindjuju | i remember it, but never knew who did it |
| 14:48.09 | bwelker | they're both pretty good, old school floor fillers |
| 14:48.32 | bwelker | we used to get some good mosh pits going to those songs |
| 14:48.48 | mindjuju | yeah, has a good beat for it |
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| 15:08.28 | mgeary | morning |
| 15:08.47 | mindjuju | morning |
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| 15:16.18 | mgeary | i always thought happiness was a warm goat |
| 15:16.38 | mindjuju | warm goat? |
| 15:16.50 | mindjuju | methinks you mean warm gun? |
| 15:17.29 | SunSparc | Goat? |
| 15:17.55 | SunSparc | warm goat meat sandwich? |
| 15:19.42 | mindjuju | hilarious - http://www.theonion.com/content/video/entertainment_scientists_warn |
| 15:22.35 | bwelker | etchisketchistan? that's funny |
| 15:23.02 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:26.31 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 15:34.10 | Utah_Dave | morning! |
| 15:34.44 | mindjuju | ~greet utah_dave |
| 15:34.45 | jbot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on utah_dave |
| 15:35.01 | mindjuju | heh, nice |
| 15:46.21 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 15:46.22 | jbot | teaches burnin the basics, including how to RTM |
| 15:48.16 | mgeary | jbot: you've got a lot of dumb larts |
| 15:48.41 | bwelker | whats the diff. between lart and rlart? |
| 15:48.53 | burnin | that is probably the most polite RTM I've received online. :) |
| 15:49.59 | burnin | most RTM messages include a good does of browbeating |
| 15:50.08 | burnin | s/does/dose/ |
| 15:50.59 | mgeary | bwelker: rlart tells jbot to give someone at random a lart |
| 15:52.58 | bwelker | ~rlart |
| 15:52.59 | jbot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on mindjuju |
| 15:53.03 | bwelker | lol |
| 15:53.15 | bwelker | at first i read that as dook |
| 15:54.00 | jsmith | bwelker: rlart is "random lart" |
| 15:56.10 | mindjuju | as opposed to a lart which is targeted |
| 15:56.14 | mindjuju | ~lart macnewbold |
| 15:56.14 | jbot | beats macnewbold senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 15:56.20 | macnewbold | hey |
| 15:56.24 | macnewbold | ~lart bwelker |
| 15:56.24 | jbot | whips bwelker with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 15:56.25 | mindjuju | sorry! |
| 15:56.32 | mindjuju | was just demo-ing a lart |
| 15:56.42 | mindjuju | lart for science purposes |
| 15:56.51 | bwelker | ~lart lart |
| 15:56.51 | jbot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps lart |
| 15:57.02 | DexterTheDragon | I think we have that 50lb Unix manual here somewhere |
| 15:57.03 | Utah_Dave | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/google-learns-to-crawl-flash.html |
| 15:57.14 | mgeary | bout time |
| 15:57.25 | mgeary | it's not like SWF is a closed spec |
| 15:57.28 | bwelker | isn't it holding up your monitor Dex? |
| 15:57.34 | Utah_Dave | I'm not sure if I'm happy about |
| 15:57.40 | Utah_Dave | that |
| 15:58.48 | mgeary | impressive, they don't just scan the swf looking for text, they appear to use a virtual machine |
| 15:58.57 | mgeary | so code-generated text would be revealed |
| 16:00.52 | burnin | heh, as if we need any additional help convincing people to create bandwidth sucking, only works in some browsers, eats your cpu and crashes your system web sites based on flash. |
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| 16:01.35 | _psychic_ | it's not that useful |
| 16:01.42 | _psychic_ | *most* flash is inserted into the DOM via JS |
| 16:01.57 | _psychic_ | and many flash apps use bootloader SWFs or externally loaded resources |
| 16:02.03 | _psychic_ | neither of which will be indexed |
| 16:03.31 | mindjuju | curious - |
| 16:03.31 | mindjuju | That said, you should be aware that Google is now able to see the text that appears to visitors of your website. If you prefer Google to ignore your less informative content, such as a "copyright" or "loading" message, consider replacing the text within an image, which will make it effectively invisible to us. |
| 16:04.22 | burnin | lol, replace a handful of characters with several k of pixels. |
| 16:06.22 | burnin | sorry, not trying to be negative, it just happens :) |
| 16:06.39 | mindjuju | totally agreed with ya burnin |
| 16:06.46 | mindjuju | that's why i posted it |
| 16:07.46 | mgeary | _psychic_: are you sure about that? The blog entry indicates that the googlebot can identify externally-loaded resources and crawls them as well. Presumably that would include externally-loaded swfs... |
| 16:08.09 | mgeary | and i'd be surprised if googlebot hasn't figured out the dom-injection method yet |
| 16:08.20 | mindjuju | mgeary - We currently do not attach content from external resources that are loaded by your Flash files. If your Flash file loads an HTML file, an XML file, another SWF file, etc., Google will separately index that resource, but it will not yet be considered to be part of the content in your Flash file. |
| 16:08.27 | _psychic_ | yup |
| 16:08.30 | mindjuju | referenced from - http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/06/improved-flash-indexing.html |
| 16:08.36 | mgeary | mindjuju, what i just said |
| 16:08.40 | mgeary | ;) |
| 16:08.41 | mindjuju | last question from the page |
| 16:08.52 | _psychic_ | what good is it indexed if it isn't considered on the same page? |
| 16:09.18 | _psychic_ | And the JS item is almost a complete show stopper |
| 16:09.26 | mgeary | well, it seems to me that they've solved the harder problem. Re-associating them seems, by comparison, to be fairly simple |
| 16:09.36 | _psychic_ | it seems odd for them to make this announcement when they can't index anything significant |
| 16:10.07 | mgeary | i think you'd be surprised how much flash content isn't up to the standards of MediaRain |
| 16:10.18 | mgeary | oodles and oodles of Flash on the web is purely static |
| 16:10.20 | _psychic_ | It's like saying "Hey we can index SWFs.... except for the ones that 90% of you are embedding via JS.... and any moderately dynamic SWF with external content will be disconnected...." |
| 16:10.52 | mgeary | _psychic_: where are you reading that googlebot can't deal with DOM insertion? |
| 16:11.02 | _psychic_ | http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/06/improved-flash-indexing.html |
| 16:11.07 | _psychic_ | 1. Googlebot does not execute some types of JavaScript. So if your web page loads a Flash file via JavaScript, Google may not be aware of that Flash file, in which case it will not be indexed. |
| 16:11.42 | mgeary | yeah, but it does imply that in some instances this *will* be caught. |
| 16:11.49 | mgeary | i'd be interested in knowing what is/is not |
| 16:12.24 | _psychic_ | me too |
| 16:12.32 | _psychic_ | in any case, those limitations are hugely significant |
| 16:13.56 | mgeary | ...but encouraging |
| 16:15.01 | _psychic_ | I also think it's retarded for google to say stick your stuff in images so we don't see it :/ |
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| 16:25.14 | beandog | does anyone use comcast for their phone service |
| 16:26.43 | mindjuju | nope |
| 16:26.58 | mindjuju | but i do use comcast and their throttling ways |
| 16:29.02 | mindjuju | beandog, if you want to see something funny, take a computer on comcast and go do a speed test, it'll come back as smokin' hawt |
| 16:29.23 | mindjuju | take that same computer, and go download a 100mb file from a webserver that has phat pipe |
| 16:29.30 | mindjuju | and watch how fast the speed drops down |
| 16:29.46 | beandog | yah, happens to me all the time with gentoo downloads and stuff |
| 16:29.54 | beandog | it'll start fast, then drop out |
| 16:30.13 | mindjuju | yup, just long enough for the speed tests |
| 16:30.41 | mindjuju | dag nab utopia! why aren't you on my side of Orem!!! |
| 16:31.45 | beandog | mindjuju, youre on the hick side |
| 16:32.10 | mindjuju | :( |
| 16:32.31 | beandog | move to SLC |
| 16:32.36 | beandog | we have ... uh |
| 16:32.38 | beandog | taco stands. |
| 16:34.07 | mindjuju | 2? |
| 16:34.13 | beandog | at least. |
| 16:34.21 | beandog | I saw one last night by Sears. |
| 16:34.25 | beandog | that's the local hangout. |
| 16:34.56 | mgeary | mindjuju: i was under the impression that your area of Orem was exactly where Utopia started in Orem |
| 16:35.09 | mindjuju | other side of university parkway |
| 16:35.14 | mindjuju | i'm on the RC wiley side |
| 16:36.40 | beandog | I have a stuffed eel. |
| 16:36.41 | beandog | beat that. |
| 16:38.18 | mindjuju | ^5 |
| 16:38.44 | beandog | poor shackleton :( |
| 16:38.50 | _psychic_ | mmmmboy |
| 16:39.09 | _psychic_ | I went to the aquarium in Sandy last weekend |
| 16:39.13 | _psychic_ | it was in the evening |
| 16:39.24 | _psychic_ | and I ended up feeling really guilty because I was there when I was hungrey |
| 16:39.25 | mindjuju | any good? |
| 16:39.33 | _psychic_ | and all the exhibits sorta turned into a buffet in my mind |
| 16:39.40 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 16:39.43 | _psychic_ | Yeah it's a nice place |
| 16:39.47 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:39.47 | _psychic_ | kinda small, but they have cool stuff |
| 16:39.54 | _psychic_ | nice shark tank |
| 16:39.55 | _psychic_ | jellys |
| 16:39.58 | _psychic_ | octopus |
| 16:40.06 | mindjuju | i should take my son |
| 16:40.13 | _psychic_ | they have this cool water feature where you can stick your hand in and touch the rays and fish in the tank |
| 16:40.22 | _psychic_ | yeah my boys *loved* it |
| 16:40.25 | _psychic_ | little pricey |
| 16:40.32 | beandog | and if no ones looking, you can take one home with you |
| 16:41.02 | beandog | they are *really* friendly though |
| 16:41.18 | beandog | some of them will just come up and start flapping around so someone will pet them |
| 16:41.24 | _psychic_ | yeah they didn't seem to mind at all |
| 16:41.41 | _psychic_ | they have little spaces they can run if they don't want to be mauled, but they kept making the rounds |
| 16:41.44 | _psychic_ | pretty cool stuff |
| 16:42.47 | burnin | does the aquarium have a website? |
| 16:42.59 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 16:43.09 | _psychic_ | http://www.thelivingplanet.com/ |
| 16:43.25 | mindjuju | prolly can't feel the fish through the website though |
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| 16:45.21 | beandog | youre just not trying hard enough |
| 16:45.59 | _psychic_ | you need to have more faith |
| 16:46.07 | beandog | shun the non-believer! |
| 16:46.15 | mindjuju | run away! |
| 16:46.19 | mgeary | shuuuuuuun |
| 16:49.38 | mindjuju | poor apple |
| 16:49.56 | mindjuju | their lip synic is off a little - http://www.apple.com/iphone/guidedtour/tour/large.html |
| 16:53.55 | wps | and now, ladies and gents⦠|
| 16:54.03 | wps | it's time for the seven minutes to 11:00 poll |
| 16:54.23 | wps | since it appears that the perfect job does not exist⦠|
| 16:55.21 | bwelker | mgeary: lol |
| 16:55.38 | wps | which would you preferâ¦Â working for a company where the company sucks (management, politics, etc) or the product sucks (something you don't believe? |
| 16:55.38 | bwelker | it's a magical leopluridon |
| 16:55.46 | mindjuju | $perfectjob = "summer security guard for small college town where local population is > 2000" |
| 16:55.55 | bwelker | and made up of entirely female |
| 16:56.01 | mindjuju | it happened for me one summer, let me tel you, it twas awesome |
| 16:56.26 | _psychic_ | wps: I'd rather work with good people and a crappy product, because the product will become less sucky shortly with good people. |
| 16:56.41 | wps | s/don't believe/don't believe in/ |
| 16:56.43 | _psychic_ | If the people suck, then you're screwed. |
| 16:57.14 | mindjuju | yeah, politics, kingdom building and internal power struggle will quickly kill a company |
| 16:57.19 | wps | agreed |
| 16:57.35 | wps | the other thing that has been on my mind lately is how much you should accept things you don't like in the name of career building |
| 16:57.41 | bwelker | welcome to my previous employer |
| 16:57.51 | wps | ~bwelker |
| 16:57.51 | jbot | somebody said bwelker was statistically significant, or thinks he's funny, or the best at everything |
| 16:57.59 | wps | :) |
| 16:58.05 | bwelker | boo ... wait for it ... YAH |
| 16:58.08 | wps | I love thatâ¦Â "thinks he's statistically significant" |
| 16:58.13 | _psychic_ | wps: define "career building |
| 16:58.30 | mindjuju | and can you further define "accept things" |
| 16:58.36 | mindjuju | really depends on what you have to accept |
| 16:58.43 | bwelker | it came about because i said 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and somebody put that in |
| 16:58.50 | _psychic_ | I don't try to build my career, I try to build stuff. |
| 16:58.57 | bwelker | like websites? |
| 16:59.05 | wps | putting up with crap or doing duties you don't prefer in that it will help you either get promoted or have resume to get a next job that you do want |
| 16:59.18 | _psychic_ | Yeah I don't care about promotions |
| 16:59.20 | jsmith | wps: I'd definitely say that's worth *something* |
| 16:59.31 | jsmith | wps: (even if it's just experience for later in your career) |
| 16:59.31 | _psychic_ | if the next job is dependent on a title, then I probably don't care much about that job either. |
| 16:59.32 | wps | I agree it's worth something, jsmith |
| 16:59.46 | _psychic_ | But doing things you don't want to do is part of being a team |
| 16:59.47 | jsmith | wps: But I personally wouldn't put up with that for more than a year or two |
| 16:59.55 | wps | just hard to know how much |
| 17:00.08 | _psychic_ | You married? :) |
| 17:00.15 | jsmith | wps: Well, you know me better than most in here, so you know the path I chose ;-) |
| 17:00.23 | wps | indeed |
| 17:00.36 | _psychic_ | You make those same choices in family settings |
| 17:00.51 | jsmith | mindjuju: To be honest, I'm more of a job-hopper than most... If I feel stagnant in a job, I'll hop. |
| 17:01.06 | jsmith | mindjuju: (and that's not always a good thing) |
| 17:01.34 | _psychic_ | moving because you're in a dead end isn't bad |
| 17:01.39 | _psychic_ | but every job has its slow times |
| 17:05.09 | _psychic_ | well I just mean you do things you don't want to do in family settings |
| 17:05.24 | _psychic_ | but theres a point where you need to ask for change when you're always doing the dishes. :) |
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| 17:05.52 | mindjuju | oh! gotcha |
| 17:06.07 | _psychic_ | sup olds |
| 17:06.38 | olds | nadda |
| 17:06.40 | olds | you? |
| 17:06.50 | _psychic_ | too much :) |
| 17:06.58 | _psychic_ | olds: watch much of the Euro? |
| 17:07.01 | olds | tons of it |
| 17:07.20 | _psychic_ | Makes me feel a little better about losing to Spain 1-0 when we played em |
| 17:07.22 | olds | had to get a slingbox setup so I could catch glimpses of it at work |
| 17:07.30 | olds | haha yea |
| 17:07.35 | olds | Spain could've won that 5-0 |
| 17:07.41 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 17:08.04 | olds | I wanted Turkey to pull off another upset |
| 17:08.13 | olds | and make it to the finals |
| 17:09.02 | olds | RSL is doing alright this season |
| 17:09.18 | olds | but the western conference is so close that one slip up and you're in last place |
| 17:10.07 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 17:10.12 | _psychic_ | good to see them have a non-lose streak |
| 17:10.19 | olds | lol yea |
| 17:10.19 | _psychic_ | still need a freaking striker |
| 17:10.24 | olds | no kidding |
| 17:10.34 | olds | Deuchar is good for pulling pressure off of Findley |
| 17:10.39 | olds | but that's about it |
| 17:10.39 | _psychic_ | its true |
| 17:10.46 | _psychic_ | poor dude ends up with no goals though |
| 17:10.50 | olds | yea |
| 17:11.00 | _psychic_ | don't know if that's because he's double teamed, or just can't finish |
| 17:11.04 | _psychic_ | loving Javi this year though |
| 17:11.06 | olds | a bit of both I'd imagine |
| 17:11.11 | _psychic_ | yeah tru |
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| 17:11.20 | olds | yea |
| 17:11.34 | olds | I'm glad we dealt Talley |
| 17:11.40 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 17:11.48 | _psychic_ | chivas == RSL 2006 |
| 17:11.54 | _psychic_ | which is good for us :) |
| 17:12.00 | olds | lol yea |
| 17:13.34 | olds | we definitly need someone up top that opposing defenders respect |
| 17:13.58 | _psychic_ | we have that DP spot |
| 17:14.01 | _psychic_ | and the cash |
| 17:14.06 | olds | but no balls |
| 17:14.09 | olds | :( |
| 17:14.11 | _psychic_ | There's gotta be a big announcement soon |
| 17:14.21 | olds | it'll be dissapointing |
| 17:14.26 | olds | they'll blow it on a goalie or something |
| 17:14.31 | _psychic_ | haha |
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| 17:33.14 | olds | sadly we're not in a big market, so I don't think Schevchenko (sp?) will come here |
| 17:33.35 | olds | rumor has it that McBride is going to Chicago and Schevchenko might go to LA |
| 17:33.48 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 17:34.57 | olds | got our seats picked out for the new stadium |
| 17:35.09 | _psychic_ | Gonna wait myself |
| 17:35.23 | _psychic_ | pretty pricey |
| 17:35.31 | olds | we went with $500 seats |
| 17:35.35 | olds | our RES seats were $600 |
| 17:35.51 | olds | but much better |
| 17:36.43 | _psychic_ | yep |
| 17:36.46 | _psychic_ | prices doubled |
| 17:36.53 | _psychic_ | (more or less) |
| 17:36.56 | olds | ours went from $600 to $7500 |
| 17:37.11 | olds | because they're in that "premium" area |
| 17:37.17 | olds | with the leather seats and crap |
| 17:37.26 | olds | wasn't worth it |
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| 17:46.52 | mgeary | now Hannah Montana, on the other hand... |
| 17:47.08 | bwelker | who? |
| 17:48.37 | _psychic_ | Hopefully it's like York and New York, or Mexico and New Mexico. |
| 17:49.00 | mgeary | not that he cares... |
| 17:49.30 | bwelker | if she wasn't so exploitable... |
| 17:50.14 | mindjuju | $3k for stadium of fire tickets? |
| 17:50.20 | mindjuju | psh, nobody 'll buy them |
| 17:53.08 | mgeary | nah |
| 17:53.21 | mgeary | speaking of 4th of july events-- |
| 17:53.36 | mgeary | i see that Glenn Beck is speaking at a "patriotic" event at UVU |
| 17:54.21 | mgeary | that guy is a hate-monger |
| 17:55.01 | _psychic_ | Maybe he'll just talk about his butt surgery. |
| 17:55.36 | mgeary | hahahah |
| 17:57.58 | mgeary | he's on a local station. might be ksl |
| 17:59.10 | mgeary | i remember once i happened to catch him. He was talking about how the US shouldn't bend to European pressure to change some policy or other. I don't have a problem with that, but i do have a problem with his next remark |
| 17:59.30 | mgeary | "we're going to let these Germans, these Nazis dictate our policies?" |
| 17:59.47 | wps | wow |
| 18:00.02 | mgeary | kid you not. word-for-word |
| 18:00.09 | fungus | Eek, looks like another Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly type person |
| 18:00.13 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:00.19 | mgeary | but hey, he's patriotic |
| 18:01.21 | fungus | I used to listen to Michael Savage quite a while ago, just to hear the other side of the arguments. |
| 18:01.59 | fungus | I had to stop because the hate was starting to affect me in unpleasant ways. |
| 18:02.44 | _psychic_ | same with Hannity |
| 18:03.12 | fungus | Yeah, looked at him too. It seems if you aren't on their side, you are evil scum. |
| 18:04.28 | pirate| | It's not just that, you can't agree with one point and disagree with another. It is either all or nothing with these people |
| 18:07.37 | mgeary | surely someone here might be able to offer another perspective on the matter? |
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| 18:08.35 | mindjuju | yeah, political commentators on BOTH sides of the political spectrum tend to be abrasive and rude, at times saying foolish or stupid things to garner ratings |
| 18:08.42 | mindjuju | i say phooey on the lot! |
| 18:09.04 | mindjuju | and not just the conservative ones |
| 18:09.46 | mindjuju | think Air America |
| 18:09.54 | olds | name another |
| 18:10.00 | mgeary | meh. never listened to Air America |
| 18:10.09 | mgeary | NPR++ |
| 18:10.15 | mindjuju | name another? Air America is a gaggle of em |
| 18:10.53 | olds | :) |
| 18:11.13 | mindjuju | what about daily show, or colbert report |
| 18:11.21 | mindjuju | each with their own agenda |
| 18:11.25 | mgeary | Jon Stewart is awesome |
| 18:11.32 | mindjuju | and can be abrasive |
| 18:11.32 | mgeary | i'd vote for him |
| 18:12.11 | mgeary | yes, he can be abrasive and somewhat juvenile at times, but i think that's to play to the primary Comedy Central viewer |
| 18:12.20 | mgeary | his appearance on Crossfire was awesome |
| 18:12.32 | mindjuju | true, i saw that and he spanked them hard |
| 18:12.34 | mgeary | as are almost all of his interviews with political people. |
| 18:12.39 | mindjuju | but it's pot and kettle |
| 18:12.50 | mgeary | the enduring classic is his interview with Ken Mehlman |
| 18:13.23 | mgeary | i don't think pot/kettle applies, because Stewart isn't a politician |
| 18:13.27 | dataw0lf | Jon Stewart++ |
| 18:13.48 | mindjuju | mgeary, not sure if i understand your argument |
| 18:13.55 | mgeary | if you want to compare Stewart to anyone, you can compare him to Sean Hannity, and i think Stewart is much, much, much more sane/reasonable/grounded than Hannity |
| 18:14.14 | mindjuju | k, but i think that understanding comes from your political point of view |
| 18:14.21 | mgeary | you mean you disagree |
| 18:14.30 | mindjuju | if you were on the other side of the political spectrum, you'd probably say the opposite |
| 18:14.38 | mindjuju | i'm saying they are all nuts |
| 18:14.39 | dataw0lf | yea, but then he'd be wrong. |
| 18:14.43 | mgeary | ^5 dataw0lf |
| 18:14.45 | dataw0lf | is the difference. |
| 18:14.47 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 18:14.55 | mgeary | Jon Stewart isn't a left-winger, imo |
| 18:15.00 | mgeary | i really don't think he is |
| 18:15.12 | dataw0lf | well "left-winger" has several contradictory meanings |
| 18:15.15 | dataw0lf | He's a liberal |
| 18:15.18 | dataw0lf | He's not really a democrat. |
| 18:15.19 | mgeary | it just looks that way because there's so much right-wing crap going on right now |
| 18:15.44 | mindjuju | well, you've got me there |
| 18:15.45 | dataw0lf | He has as much to say about the Democratic establishment as he does with the Republican establishment. |
| 18:15.54 | mindjuju | i've been too busy to see any commentary on Obama support of FISA |
| 18:15.56 | dataw0lf | I think he realizes the difference between the too. |
| 18:16.04 | mindjuju | but i'll check that out and comment on that tomorrrow |
| 18:16.22 | dataw0lf | FISA was going to pass either way. Political manuevering for the general. |
| 18:16.26 | mgeary | i stopped my Daily Show iTunes subscription when they stopped having as many political folk on |
| 18:16.30 | mgeary | so i'm out of the loop |
| 18:16.35 | mindjuju | as long as stewart covered it |
| 18:17.28 | dataw0lf | Oh, the Daily Show covered it. |
| 18:17.35 | dataw0lf | The Daily Show covers anything inane. |
| 18:17.53 | dataw0lf | Generally, though, in the past 8 years, the Republicans have held the Empirical Crown of Ridiculousness and Inanity. |
| 18:18.17 | mindjuju | yeah, but that would be because there weren't clintons to be found |
| 18:18.26 | mindjuju | except for that lady in new york |
| 18:19.09 | mgeary | but look, to loop back to the beginning of this discussion, can you really say that anything coming from Jon Stewart is hateful? |
| 18:19.10 | dataw0lf | Right, because getting a blow job is way worse than leading your country to a ridiculous, obscene war and essentially destroying both our ground force power |
| 18:19.16 | dataw0lf | While pissing on the Constitution. |
| 18:19.18 | dataw0lf | But yea. |
| 18:19.20 | mgeary | as opposed to things from Michael Savage and Glenn Beck? |
| 18:19.23 | dataw0lf | Damn blow jobs. |
| 18:19.33 | mgeary | now Hannity, he seems to be more careful about hate speech |
| 18:19.49 | dataw0lf | I like Colmes |
| 18:19.50 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you're too funny |
| 18:20.08 | dataw0lf | Colmes is like a little bunny rabbit that got run over with a lawnmower. |
| 18:21.20 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I fail to see how Clinton ever ever ever ever approached Bush's ridiculousness. |
| 18:21.33 | dataw0lf | Except for maybe NAFTA, but you're a conservative and perhaps support NAFTA |
| 18:21.58 | dataw0lf | or not pushing hard enough when President Elect Bush essentially disbanded his foreign terrorist teams |
| 18:22.05 | dataw0lf | That perhaps was "ridiculous" of Clinton. |
| 18:22.40 | mgeary | does anyone remember Good-n-Fruity candy from ages ago? |
| 18:22.52 | dataw0lf | fruity good-n-plentys? |
| 18:22.56 | mgeary | yes |
| 18:23.00 | mgeary | they were awesome |
| 18:23.07 | mgeary | but they've changed them! :( |
| 18:23.13 | mgeary | just like Trix cereal |
| 18:23.18 | mgeary | my childhood is being destroyed |
| 18:23.22 | dataw0lf | they were ok |
| 18:23.34 | beandog | mgeary, just do what I do, buy cartoons |
| 18:23.41 | mgeary | now they're more like Mike-N-Ike's whcih weren't nearly as good |
| 18:23.41 | beandog | worksforme |
| 18:23.58 | dataw0lf | I kinda like Mike-N-Ike's |
| 18:24.20 | mgeary | yes, but they're not as good |
| 18:25.15 | dataw0lf | http://truedat.org/ whaddya think of that design? I want to keep it really simple |
| 18:25.35 | mgeary | the text is a bit hard to read |
| 18:25.55 | dataw0lf | Yea, I have a 27" monitor so I didn't know if it was my resolution or not. |
| 18:26.08 | mgeary | well, i'm on 1600x1200, so ditto |
| 18:26.27 | dataw0lf | I'll up the fonts then |
| 18:26.51 | mgeary | also, it's comparatively rare to use a serif font for body copy |
| 18:27.04 | mgeary | but if you're after different, go for it. i'm not a designer (by any stretch) |
| 18:29.27 | mindjuju | great, from the company that brought you TASERS, now there is TASER video! "now you too can order the DVD of when you got you butt zapped for being less than prompt when complying to police requests!* *blue-ray coming soon" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4271213.html |
| 18:31.10 | mindjuju | officers can hit an "event button" to save the previous minute of video, and switch to a higher-quality 30fps recording mode, which includes what Taser calls "DVD-quality" audio. |
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| 18:37.08 | pirate| | mindjuju: that is awesome!!! |
| 18:39.45 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:41.13 | wps | every conversation in here come back to either tuna farts or tasers |
| 18:43.00 | macnewbold | ~taser wps |
| 18:43.01 | jbot | ACTION stuns wps with a taser, then drags wps out into the middle of highway 666 |
| 18:43.26 | mindjuju | that's cool, didn't know there was a taser jbot command |
| 18:43.35 | macnewbold | neither did I |
| 18:45.13 | bwelker | ~smack macnewbold |
| 18:45.13 | jbot | ACTION smacks macnewbold upside the head. |
| 18:45.17 | bwelker | w00t |
| 18:45.36 | macnewbold | ~shakespeare bwelker |
| 18:45.37 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: bwelker - Thou pribbling bat-fowling devil-mon! |
| 18:45.44 | bwelker | lol nice |
| 18:45.47 | macnewbold | ~dwhit bwelker |
| 18:45.48 | jbot | ACTION slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on bwelker |
| 18:45.51 | macnewbold | ~bdhit mindjuju |
| 18:45.52 | jbot | ACTION slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on mindjuju |
| 18:46.06 | bwelker | ~dwhit macnewbold |
| 18:46.06 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at macnewbold's pain |
| 18:46.30 | bwelker | ~hurt me |
| 18:46.31 | jbot | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on bwelker's hands, laughing all the while |
| 18:46.50 | bwelker | run mac, RUN !! it's ME |
| 18:49.45 | bwelker | oh wait, i have some right here... |
| 18:50.08 | bwelker | thats dark |
| 18:50.24 | mindjuju | its got a good beat to it |
| 18:50.45 | bwelker | bass line is choke full of phat |
| 18:50.52 | bwelker | s/choke/chock/ |
| 18:52.01 | mgeary | hey fungus, is there any way to get ALL of the DNS entries for a domain |
| 18:52.02 | mgeary | ? |
| 18:52.27 | bwelker | wget {internet} |
| 18:52.37 | bwelker | i'm sure they'll all pop up in there somewhere |
| 18:52.38 | jsmith | mgeary: Google for "zone transfers"... but typically they're turned off for security reasons |
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| 18:58.15 | fungus | mgeary: zone transfers |
| 18:58.23 | fungus | dig axfr domain.com |
| 18:58.38 | mgeary | Transfer failed |
| 18:58.41 | mgeary | ah well |
| 18:58.58 | fungus | Add the host you are coming from to your allow-transfer in your named.conf |
| 18:59.48 | mgeary | well, if i had access to the named.conf i wouldn't need to get all the DNS entries |
| 18:59.53 | mgeary | or am i misunderstanding you? |
| 19:00.10 | fungus | nope, your not misunderstanding me at all. |
| 19:00.15 | mgeary | basically, i'm changing nameservers on a domain, and i want to make sure something doesn't get lost |
| 19:00.30 | mgeary | but as far as i can tell, they're not even running mail on the domain, just a website |
| 19:00.33 | mgeary | a single site |
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| 19:38.55 | wps | in httpd.conf where you specify which file types Apache will interpret PHP code within, is it possible to have it interpret files with no extension? |
| 19:40.05 | jsmith | wps: Not based on extension, but you can override certain files. |
| 19:40.14 | jsmith | wps: I do that all the time, actually ;-) |
| 19:40.24 | wps | what do you mean override files? |
| 19:40.45 | jsmith | http://www.evolt.org/article/Making_clean_URLs_with_Apache_and_PHP/18/22880/ |
| 19:40.55 | jsmith | That should explain it in a way that'll make sense to you |
| 19:44.26 | wps | hmmâ¦Â a mod rewrite that changes⦠|
| 19:44.33 | wps | example.com/this/that |
| 19:44.34 | wps | â¦to⦠|
| 19:44.38 | wps | example.com/this/that.php |
| 19:44.41 | wps | â¦seems easier |
| 19:44.47 | olds | where do you guys typically buy your ssl certs from? |
| 19:44.54 | mgeary | Comodo |
| 19:45.09 | jsmith | wps: Well, the idea is that "/this/" is actually the PHP script |
| 19:45.14 | olds | thx mgeary |
| 19:45.18 | _psychic_ | I use mod rewrite to redirect all requests to a single script that dispatches code based on the path |
| 19:45.25 | wps | right |
| 19:45.27 | jsmith | As do I |
| 19:45.36 | wps | for this site, this is a dir and that is a script |
| 19:45.58 | jsmith | OK... then just do: |
| 19:46.20 | jsmith | <FilesMatch "^this/that$"> |
| 19:46.20 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.20 | jsmith | </FilesMatch> |
| 19:46.46 | jsmith | And for that one file called "that" in the "this" directory, Apache will treat it as a php file, even though it has no .php extension |
| 19:46.56 | jsmith | I'm sorry if my example made things more confusing |
| 19:46.57 | wps | I want it to be global for any script on the site though |
| 19:47.24 | jsmith | wps: That's fine... relax the regular expression in the FilesMatch |
| 19:48.08 | wps | can you add a !dir in the regex match with ForceType? |
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| 19:50.19 | jsmith | wps: Probably not... no clue |
| 19:52.07 | jsmith | I wonder if you could set DefaultType to php |
| 19:52.12 | jsmith | Hmmmmn.... |
| 19:52.24 | wps | actually, nevermind |
| 19:52.34 | wps | I don't want my files on the server to be extension-less |
| 19:52.39 | wps | I'd rather use a rewrite |
| 19:53.06 | wps | redirect example.com/file to example.com/file.php (but without showing the user the rewrite) |
| 19:54.58 | wps | hmmâ¦Â I need to think this further thoughâ¦Â I don't want my style sheets and images to be extension-less |
| 19:56.42 | wps | got it |
| 19:59.13 | DexterTheDragon | wps: Sounds like you need a MVC framework |
| 20:10.57 | wps | changed my mind |
| 20:11.02 | wps | what's wrong with an extension? |
| 20:12.03 | wps | just use .html for security so they don't know what technology your using |
| 20:12.36 | jsmith | wps: (or some other extension, like "go" or "do" or your brand) |
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| 20:20.00 | wps | normally when you edit a file in vi, save and close, and then open it again, it remember the line you were editing on and takes you back there |
| 20:20.08 | wps | that has stopped happening for some reason on my server |
| 20:20.16 | wps | and I am at the top of the file each time I open it back up |
| 20:20.22 | wps | any idea why that stopped working? |
| 20:20.56 | tierra | it can't write to your ~/.viminfo files? |
| 20:21.00 | tierra | s/files/file |
| 20:21.15 | tierra | (that's where it stores the info) |
| 20:22.07 | tierra | oh, and I think that may be a vim thing and not in vi |
| 20:37.51 | bwelker | that white people/black people track that was just on ravetrax was sick! |
| 20:54.08 | timinator | sick as in really good?? |
| 20:54.12 | timinator | or sick as in sick |
| 20:54.18 | timinator | :/ |
| 20:55.41 | bwelker | if you have to ask... |
| 20:57.46 | bwelker | starts at 27:23 of http://files.hybridized.org/sets/shiloh/Shiloh%20-%20November%202006%20Floppy%20Discs%20Mix%20(2006-11-02)/Shiloh%20-%20November%202006%20Floppy%20Discs%20Mix%20(2006-11-02).mp3 |
| 20:57.51 | bwelker | gotta love FF3 |
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| 21:20.06 | timinator | I'm partway though.... and I think it's sick in a good way |
| 21:20.08 | timinator | killer |
| 21:20.42 | timinator | so, how would one go about getting these mp3s on a regular basis?? |
| 21:20.57 | timinator | is this automatically being backed up? |
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| 21:32.01 | mgeary_ | or a warm goat |
| 21:32.09 | beandog | mmm, warm goats. |
| 21:34.24 | SunSparc | Eh? Didn't we have this conversation already? |
| 21:35.40 | mgeary_ | well, jbot is so insistent about defining happiness when you sign in, i'm just trying to provide another perspective |
| 21:36.11 | SunSparc | mgeary: Yes, he does get rather repetitive. |
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| 21:36.59 | SunSparc | I prefer lamb though |
| 21:37.07 | mgeary | mmm |
| 21:37.27 | beandog | ostrich is good too |
| 21:37.37 | SunSparc | Oh yeah? |
| 21:37.38 | mgeary | never had ostrich/buffalo/kangaroo |
| 21:37.51 | mgeary | i've had cougar chili, though |
| 21:38.10 | mindjuju | i've had bambi chili |
| 21:38.15 | beandog | heh |
| 21:38.15 | mindjuju | and bear chili |
| 21:38.29 | beandog | poor bambi. |
| 21:38.32 | jsmith | rabbit, dog, horse... I've had it all |
| 21:38.46 | mindjuju | haven't had dog or horse |
| 21:38.49 | beandog | blood sausage? |
| 21:38.55 | unum | in paraguay you never new what you were eating did you? |
| 21:38.56 | SunSparc | Rabbit is pretty tasty, from what I remember. |
| 21:39.12 | jsmith | unum: Well, sometimes I did... |
| 21:39.12 | mindjuju | rabbit, raccoon, frog, eel, urchin |
| 21:39.16 | SunSparc | blood sausage/pudding not all that tasty. |
| 21:39.18 | beandog | unicorn |
| 21:39.25 | mindjuju | oh, and don't forget live silk worms |
| 21:39.33 | mindjuju | oh and live shrip |
| 21:39.36 | mgeary | charlieeeeee |
| 21:39.49 | SunSparc | Come with us to candy mountain! |
| 21:39.59 | beandog | free kidneys |
| 21:40.02 | mgeary | the land of joy and sweets and joyness |
| 21:40.12 | SunSparc | Kidney beans, Mmmmm.. |
| 21:40.48 | beandog | alright Im outta, laters all |
| 21:44.43 | SunSparc | From the PLUG list, for those not on it: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Silent-But-Deadly.aspx |
| 21:46.46 | mgeary | We're on a bridge, Charlie! |
| 21:50.27 | mindjuju | what was the URL for the unicorn thing again? |
| 21:50.38 | mindjuju | i remember it being disturbing but don't remember much more |
| 21:55.38 | mgeary | it's on youtube. just search for charlie unicorn |
| 22:09.14 | mindjuju | yup, equally disturbing this time as last |
| 22:09.40 | SunSparc | What about the magical leopluradon? |
| 22:10.29 | mgeary | * Liopleurodon |
| 22:10.34 | mgeary | ;) |
| 22:10.37 | SunSparc | Danke |
| 22:23.10 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:13.20 | timinator | I'm out.... later guys |
| 23:57.31 | *** part/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130) |