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13:10.20mindjujufor all you breaks afficenados , Breaks @ DI.fm is playing some new awesome stuff
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15:03.31mindjujumorning all
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15:16.27mgearymorning
15:19.26mindjujumorning mgeary
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15:29.24_psychic_$obama--;  (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/25/obama_defends_his_fisa_positio.html)
15:31.43mgearyyeah, i'm not crazy about that either, but it doesn't make McCain any more appealing
15:32.24mindjujuthe third comment down has some good advice, i'll have to do it durning lunch
15:32.25mindjujuGo to his website (his Senate one) and read what he had to say about the  legislation
15:32.52mindjujuit suggests there is more explanation from obama himself and not distilled explanation from a blogger
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15:41.55mindjujuholy crap!  Stock Market took it in the jimmies this morning
15:43.18mgearywoot. i just transferred money to buy more shares in my funds. It's on sale!
15:43.42mindjujuyup
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15:52.22mindjujusup timinator
15:52.31timinatorsup man
15:53.18timinatorreading an article about making a bootable flash drive w/ BackTrack Linux on it
15:53.22timinatorU?
15:53.27mindjujudid you see the supreme court ruled on DC gun law?
15:53.43timinatorI did.... but just skimmed it
15:53.53timinatorthey upheld the constitution, no?
15:54.12mindjujuyup, upheld constitutional right to bear arms
15:54.13timinatorguns are still legal in the US?
15:54.29mindjujulegal in US and now in washington DC, where they have been banned for 20+ years
15:54.29timinatorand puts another clip in his P90
15:54.38unumhand guns were banned in dc
15:54.50timinatorthat's stupid
15:55.08timinatorhehe.... I'll get a pic
15:55.26SunSparcP90 = massive attack
15:55.28mindjujubut i always pack my P38, never know when you'll need it
15:56.09mindjujubaited?
15:58.12unumdarn now I can't find the story about the idiot who got him self shot
15:58.21unumhe kept his gun in the living room
15:58.29timinatorhttp://files.timothyhumphrey.com/IMG00038.jpg
15:58.41unumreturns home to find his house being robbed and so he goes in to get his gun
15:58.59unumI don't believe in banning guns, but man some people are stupid about them
15:59.05mindjuju@timinator - that looks pretty serious!
15:59.12mindjujuunum, i know the story your referencing
15:59.17mindjujuheard it a couple days ago
15:59.26timinatorit's a slick weapon
15:59.42unumon of my favorite tv shows has a line "guns make you stupid, I prefer to fight my battles with duck tape, duct tape makes you smart"
15:59.52timinatorhas a fully automatic option.... you can loose a 50 round clip in seconds
16:00.07_psychic_maybe we should make a law that all smart people are required to pack heat :)
16:00.20timinatorsounds like a good law
16:00.41_psychic_I bet crime would drop
16:00.50_psychic_just speculation though :)
16:00.55timinatorI'd put money on it
16:01.16_psychic_P90s are used in CoD4 :)
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16:01.20unum_psychic_: all smart people who can aim :p
16:01.29_psychic_unum: yeah that's kinda implied I guess
16:01.52unumyou can't legally point a gun at someone unless your life is threatened
16:02.08unumso you probabaly wouldn't see a drop in most crime
16:02.19unums/your/a
16:02.48mindjujuman, a friend of mine let me borrow the soundtrack for 300
16:02.54mindjujuthat is some freakin awesome stuff
16:03.05unumthe guy who entered his house to get his gun to confront the burgler probably would have been prosecuted if he had shot the guy
16:03.37_psychic_unum: yes but some whacko pulls out a shotgun in the mall, and suddenly he has half a dozen handguns pointed right back
16:03.43_psychic_no more of these wild gunman stories
16:03.52_psychic_that's the reason trolley square wasn't as bad
16:03.57_psychic_and why Vtech was
16:03.58mindjujuthat's unfortunate about suit against man for pointing gun at intruder in house
16:07.08unumbut at trolley you had a well trained smart person with a gun
16:07.52unummindjuju: if you are in the house when the intruder breaks in you are protected by make my day laws in utah
16:08.10mindjuju:)
16:08.25unumbut I don't know if the laws will protect you when you choose to walk into the house knowing that the intruder is already there
16:08.26mindjujuhaven't had a chance to find out if Utah was similar to Texas in those regards
16:08.40mgearysee, now that's what gets my goat. How many gun owners out there are secretly(?) itching for a chance to shoot somebody?
16:08.59unumlike super dell :)
16:09.02mgearythat's just crazy
16:09.03mgearyyes
16:09.10mgeary"make my day" indeed
16:09.38unumsuper dell was charged for brandishing a weapon(I think the charges were dropped) when someone threatened his car
16:10.07unumso I know you can't threaten people with your gun with out good reason
16:10.11_psychic_super dell != smart
16:10.38mindjujumgeary, if it makes you feel better, i don't currently pack anything because I haven't taken classes on it yet, I plan to, but until i can do so safely
16:10.38_psychic_unum: my point exactly - the trolley square incident would have been much worse given some sort of gun ban in the mall there
16:14.32unumhttp://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_02_040500.htm
16:14.39unum_psychic_: I was told there was a gun ban
16:14.43macnewbold~rlart
16:14.44jbotslaps mgeary upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
16:15.08unumbut police officers are exempt from the ban
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16:15.35mindjujuunum, that is really interesting
16:15.38mindjujubut i wonder
16:16.10mindjujuwhat if a burglar comes in wearing a shirt saying, "i'm only here for the TV and jewelry" and he walks around your home yelling that
16:16.16mindjujuwhile robbing you for those same items
16:16.30mindjujuwould that defeat the provisions of using deadly force?
16:16.47unumif he has a weapon you could probably get a way with it
16:16.58mindjujujust a weird idea tha tpopped into my head
16:17.02unumutah's law is a consider weak according to wikipedia
16:18.31mindjujuoh well, i'd better lay off the politics and get back to work
16:19.07mindjujuthe tasers topic though is a matter all together different and should be discussed freely!
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16:20.20wpssomeone willing to accept a test email from me?
16:20.26mindjujuyup
16:20.28wpsI am wondering if my messages are getting out
16:20.37kingsolbring it on wps
16:20.38wpsvvilla at the g?
16:20.46mindjujuyup, just PMd too
16:21.03wpsthanks
16:21.04wpssent
16:21.45kingsolquick sql question:  is there a more "efficient way" to write this where clause:   where  DATEDIFF(NOW(),v_date_added)<2
16:21.45kingsolAND (v_date_added + INTERVAL 10 MINUTE)<now()
16:22.10mindjujuemail received sending reply
16:22.10kingsolbasically I am after records at least 10 minutes old, and no more then 1 day old
16:22.17wpsthanks, mindjuju
16:22.36mgearykingsol: you'll get the benefit of your index if you use BETWEEN
16:22.47mgearyas you've got it, i don't think the index will/can be applied
16:23.15mgearyso if you can use PHP to get date strings representing your two boundary date/times, you'd probably get better performance
16:23.27kingsolahhh
16:23.29kingsolinteresting
16:23.30kingsolok
16:23.35kingsollet me give that a whirl
16:23.38kingsolmany thanks mgeary
16:23.44mgearythank me if it works ;)
16:24.12unumman this getting as bad as the plug list.  people asking relavent questions in the middle of political debates :)
16:25.47mgearyit's better than plug, because the relevant questions get answered ;)
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16:38.09kingsolmgeary: worked liked a charm
16:38.11kingsolthank you
16:38.14mgearynice
16:38.20mgearydid you notice a speed boost?
16:38.29kingsolway better then the two date functions
16:43.50kingsolanother question... same query...  I have about 10 of these statements: AND v_email not like '%yahoo.com'   is there a better  way that could combine IN and LIKE?  
16:44.10mgearywell, again, with the % at the front, you won't get any index usage
16:44.56kingsolbetter to select everything and just skip them with php?
16:44.57mgearyone thing to consider would be splitting out the domain into a separate field when you actually collect the data
16:46.04mgearyat which point you could easily use IN()
16:46.35mgearyone other thing you may want to consider, just brainstorming here--
16:46.51mgearythis will get you the domain in the SELECT clause:
16:46.53mgearySELECT SUBSTRING_INDEX(SUBSTRING_INDEX(email,'.', -2),'@',-1) AS domain
16:47.13mgearyso actually...
16:47.17mgearyyou might be able to do this:
16:47.40mgearyWHERE SUBSTRING_INDEX(SUBSTRING_INDEX(email,'.', -2),'@',-1) NOT IN ('yahoo.com','google.com',...)
16:48.09mgearythough again, i don't know that that would use an index. Probably wouldn't, but it might make your query more maintanable
16:49.12mgearymake sense?
17:17.59mindjujuso is jquery the framework that allows you to plug in the web 2.0 interfaces if you ant them or was that mootools?  
17:18.36mgearywell, i'd say that mootools is much more a framework, and jquery is more of a library
17:18.40mgearybut i've never actually used jquery
17:19.07mindjujume neither, but josephscott and others advocate it
17:19.21josephscottwhat did I advodate?
17:19.26mindjujujquery
17:19.41mindjujulooking at the docs for jquery as we speak
17:19.46josephscottyep, I like jquery
17:20.07mindjujuso, why did you opt for jquery and not mootools, extjs or dojo?
17:20.10josephscottI've played with mootools, it's not bad either.  Would still probably pick jquery
17:20.39josephscottextjs and dojo are in a completely different ball park than jquery and mootools.
17:22.10josephscottas for mootools vs. jquery, some of that comes down to personal preference.  jquery seems to have the most momentum behind it.  and it's focus on being a library, which I prefer
17:22.35mgearyhow can i find out what switch speed (10mbps/100mbps) the switch is for a given machine?
17:22.51_psychic_the blinky lights on the front of the swtich
17:22.56mgearyifconfig doesn't seem to be conclusive
17:23.03mgearythe machine is at a colo
17:23.06josephscottmootools is nice if they already have something that does exactly what you want and aren't too interested in getting into the guts of it.  And for me personally, their ajax code was still missing some features last time I looked
17:23.22mindjujuhmmm
17:23.35josephscottmgeary: ifconfig didn't indicate?  what's the output?
17:23.47mgearyoh, my bad
17:23.50mgearythere it is:
17:23.55mgearymedia: autoselect (10baseT/UTP <half-duplex>) status: active
17:24.22mgearyfibernet is upgrading us to 100-megabit. want to be able to check for when it's done
17:24.48josephscotthalf-duplex, ouch!
17:24.59mgearyyeah :/
17:25.31josephscotthaven't seen a half duplex connection in quite awhile
17:26.11mgearyis that something that fibernet is imposing on us, or is our machine mis-configured?
17:26.27josephscottcould be either
17:26.46josephscottI seem to recall having to force some cards to do full duplex specifically
17:27.08josephscottor the switch could be doing something wonky
17:27.11mindjujuso josephscott et al., here is a quick question.  I am considering offload work to either ext js or dojo.  i like dojo, but i notice a lot of adobe products including Air are using some ext js.  
17:27.17mgearywoot
17:27.18mgearymedia: autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>) status: active
17:27.21mindjujuand i see myself heading in that direction
17:27.54mindjujui should prolly just buck up, drop dojo and swing over to ext js
17:28.01josephscottmindjuju: in the end, you look at the available tools and try to pick the best one for the job.  That doesn't mean you have to use the same tool for every job though
17:28.38mindjujutrue, but i think proficiency comes with focus, no?
17:28.48mindjujulearn just enough to complete a task, or learn a language?
17:29.50josephscottsomething of a balancing act.  If you have mastered a tool well enough to morph it in different situations, then often times you can save time by using it instead of a tool that might technically be better suited, but would take longer because you aren't as familiar with it
17:30.35josephscottat some point you just dive in and go.  Spend too much time trying to make the perfect decision and you end up wasting too much time
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18:07.26dataw0lfmindjuju: jQuery++
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19:40.49timinatorbuying a Flash Drive
19:41.05timinatorhate Memorex cause it's partitioned
19:41.15timinatorso, it loads a CD w/ it's own software
19:41.31timinatoranyone have a preference?
19:41.41timinatorone that preferably is just a drive
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20:10.19mindjujusup beandog
20:10.30beandogmeh
20:10.40mindjujui have good news for you
20:10.53mindjujuAmerican Idol is holding auditions here in the SLC - http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,5143,700238230,00.html
20:10.54mindjujui'm going
20:11.02beandogreally?
20:11.06beandogIll go with yah
20:11.09mindjujugonna perform, "can't hold the mindjuju down"
20:11.18beandogthats totally worth seeing
20:11.19beandogin person
20:11.21mindjujuit's a rap song with a country twang
20:11.58mindjujuoh man, i can't be over 28
20:12.08mindjujuoh well, i guess i'll never get my Idol chance now
20:12.10beandogreally?
20:12.19beandogwasn't whats his name like 35 or something who won the other year
20:12.23DexterTheDragonmindjuju: I think you can pull off 20
20:12.30mindjuju:)
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20:16.33mindjujuwhat kind of camera?
20:17.33dataw0lfNikon D40
20:18.02mindjujuyup, suppose to be a way cool camera
20:18.02mindjujuwith stop motion photography
20:18.58thebigdogyeah they are nice cameras
20:19.12thebigdogi have a buddy with one and he can do some cool pics
20:25.02timinatorCanon++
20:25.07dataw0lfpsh
20:25.16dataw0lfmy gf had a Rebel XTi
20:25.18timinators/ducsk/ducks/
20:25.23dataw0lfNikon glass > Canon glass
20:25.36timinatorwell, that's a Rebel dude
20:25.52dataw0lfRebel == Canon DSLR brand
20:26.09timinatoranyway, I'm just partial cause I started w/ a Canon AE1
20:26.20timinatorya, their cheap DSLR brand
20:27.38timinatorcheap meaning >= $1000
20:31.10dataw0lfwhat type of DSLR do you have?
20:33.19mindjujui think he has the 20D
20:33.27mindjujuseems like he was tormenting me about it
20:34.33mindjujui think the Nikon sounds cool, but i've already got Canon lens and flashes, so i'll prolly stay canon
20:39.13dataw0lfwe're a Nikon shop so I get to borrow way expensive glass
20:39.25mindjujuthat's awesome
20:39.41dataw0lfah my co-senior developer has a 40d
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20:43.53timinatorI don't have one anymore.....
20:43.56timinatorshot a wedding
20:44.04timinatordid it w/ a buddy
20:44.35timinatorwe had my AEI, 2 Nikons, and a 5 1/4
20:44.49timinatorall film, not digital
20:44.56timinatormy buddy had the darkroom
20:45.30timinatorvery stressful.... hawked the camera at my first opportunity
20:45.38timinatorstill regret that decision
20:45.57timinatorsomeday I'll get back into it
20:47.36timinator.... not stress from me or my buddy, or our abilities....
20:47.43timinatorstress from the wedding party
20:47.47timinatorand family members
20:47.58timinatorbut anyway
20:48.16timinatorwas a learning experience anyway
20:49.02timinatorand I was a kid, so I was a bit more rash
20:49.04timinator:)
21:01.56dataw0lfyea, my dad is a huge photog, has a dark room and all that jazz
21:02.17dataw0lfstarted using my gf's XTi (hadn't really played with photography since photojournalism), got interested in it
21:02.26dataw0lfthen started working here where there is a large amount of photos
21:02.28dataw0lfphotogs*
21:02.46dataw0lfdecent hobby to supplement running and playing Call of Duty 4 and hacking :)
21:02.57dataw0lfneeded something artsy
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21:25.02timinator:) sounds good
21:46.33timinatorgot a buddy that has an EOS 1D Mark 2
21:46.39timinatorthat's a nice camera
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22:14.16mindjujubeandog
22:14.41beandog<PROTECTED>
22:18.41beandogmindjuju, sup
22:18.42mindjujusaw this on the fail blog, thought you and poeticintensity would think it funny - http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-car-emblem.jpg
22:18.58beandogwhat is that
22:19.08PoeticIntensityLOL
22:19.11PoeticIntensitya fake emblem...
22:19.16PoeticIntensitythat's hilarious.
22:19.22beandogdid someone make a fake thing from a coat hanger or something
22:19.42mindjujuyeah
22:19.42mindjujugood times
22:19.55mindjujufailblog is one of my favs
22:19.55beandog:)
22:20.18beandogthat car is still sexier than Jason's
22:27.20josephscottmindjuju: this one? http://failblog.org/
22:30.12beandogle fail
22:31.21josephscottthat's done by the same folks that do http://icanhascheezburger.com/
22:34.15SunSparchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgoglUtSvFs
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23:03.09timinator~flip thebigdog
23:03.10jbotACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|.
23:08.04thebigdog~flip timinator
23:08.05jbotACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|.
23:08.10timinator:)
23:12.06timinatorI'm outie... later guys
23:14.51mgearytiminator has an outie?
23:16.23wpsICANN are idiots
23:16.26wpsTLDs are stupid
23:16.44SunSparcwps: Why do you think TLD's are stupid?
23:16.53wpsbecause it's the world-wide web
23:17.09wpsit shouldn't be goegraphically-specific
23:17.09SunSparcThey offer a separate level of organization.
23:17.25wpsand if I an Nike, I should only have to register one domain
23:17.36wpsnot for stupid TLDs in 200 different countries
23:17.37SunSparcWell, with the new change, it won't really be geographically bound.
23:17.46wpsnike.tv  <-- stupid
23:17.51SunSparcTrue.
23:17.53wpsnike.mobi  <--- stupid
23:18.00wpsnike.whatever  <-- stupid
23:18.05SunSparcUnless they server different purposes.
23:18.14wpsuse sub-domains!
23:18.21wpsmobile.nike.com
23:18.24wpsintranet.nike.com
23:18.29wpsmail.nike.com
23:18.33SunSparcThen why even have .com?
23:18.37wpsAMEN!
23:18.39SunSparchttp://nike
23:18.43wpsamen, amen, amen
23:19.12SunSparcBut what happens when all the John Smith's wants to register his name?
23:19.28SunSparchttp://john.smith2344233
23:19.47SunSparcI guess it become like handles.  First come first serve.
23:20.10SunSparchttp://w.p.s
23:20.13wpsperhaps you could have a .name for personal name domains, but for businesses it's stupid because no business wants to have the same name or domain as another
23:20.34tierrathey already said it was going to cost something like $50,000 to register a new TLD
23:20.35SunSparcWell, I think that was the intention initially.
23:20.52SunSparccom for businesses, gov, edu, etc.
23:20.56tierraconflicts aren't going to be a big deal
23:20.58tierraheh
23:21.09wpsnowawadays, you'd be an idiot to name your company a name that did not allow you to get an accompanying .com and therefore what's the point of having anything besides .com (or TLDs altogether)
23:21.15SunSparcAt first, at least.
23:21.38SunSparcFor people, groups, etc.
23:21.44wpsbut what's the point of .gov?
23:21.47SunSparcNon businesses
23:21.54SunSparcOrganization
23:21.55wpsI shouldn't be allowed to register usarmy.com
23:22.06wpsif I wasn't really the US Army
23:22.40tierrayou aren't
23:22.47tierrait's called the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act
23:22.59wpsexactly… so what's the point in TLDs?
23:23.13tierrabetter identification
23:23.21wpsespecially beyond .org, .net, and .gov
23:23.26SunSparcwps: organization
23:23.48SunSparc"Don't you know the Dewey Decimal System!?!"
23:23.49SunSparc:)
23:24.16SunSparcAt least, that is why I assume they initially did it.
23:24.28SunSparcThen the web got really big really quick.
23:24.44wps.info, .mobi, .biz, .us, .tv, .cc, .tv, .fm  <--- stupid and uneccessary
23:24.47wpsthey just confuse people
23:25.01wpsyou tell someone your website is jackspizza.tv
23:25.09wpsand when he gets home he will type in jackspizza.com
23:25.18SunSparcThey confuse people because "people" have not been educated to ICANN's idea of organization.
23:25.24SunSparcThey could be very useful.
23:25.27wpsand he'll either get someone else's pizza shop and you'll loose business or he
23:25.43wps'll not be able to find you and be mad and you'll probably loose business as well
23:26.31SunSparcWell, either way, I think it is good they are rethinking it.  Finally.
23:26.45SunSparcI am out.  Laterz.
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