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04:23.12wpsanyone around?
04:23.20wpscan I require a file that requires another?
04:23.24wps(include)
04:27.03DexterTheDragonwps: yes
04:27.16wpsk… must be something else in the code that is causing an error then
04:27.18wpsthanks
04:27.28wpsnice to know though to not waste time looking in the wrong direction
04:28.02wpsdoes the __construct() function (in a class) need public in front of it?
04:28.10wpsor, should it have it?
04:29.10DexterTheDragonI'm pretty sure it need to be a public function
04:29.29wpsyeah… I determined that it needs to be public by testing it as private
04:29.31DexterTheDragonbut if there's nothing in front of a function in a class it defaults to public
04:29.38wpsah
04:29.40influx^^hola guys
04:29.43wpsthat's the answer I was looking for
04:29.51wpsdidn't know the default behavior
04:29.51wpsthanks
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15:13.40*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Thursday PHP + Qcodo @7pm | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
15:30.06DexterTheDragon~morning
15:30.07jbotGood morning!
15:30.22mindjujumorning DexterTheDragon
15:31.55DexterTheDragonunfortionately
15:32.23mindjujuthat bad?
15:32.42DexterTheDragonwould rather still be asleep
15:33.15mindjujuyup, know that feeling
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16:04.11timinatormorning guys
16:04.18mindjujumorning timinator
16:04.52timinatorHappy belated Father's Day to all the dads in the room
16:09.40mindjujuwhat did you get for Father's day timinator ?
16:13.46timinatora skill saw, and a honey do list  :)
16:14.05timinatormindjuju: are you a dad?
16:14.17mindjujuyup
16:16.25timinatorwhat did you get then?
16:17.07mindjujua tie, a couple of DVDs
16:18.05timinatornice
16:18.10timinatorhow old are your kids?
16:18.15timinatorboys/girls?
16:18.22mindjuju1 boy, 5yrs
16:19.05timinatorjuju jr?
16:19.14mindjujuyup
16:19.18timinatornice
16:19.25mindjujuraising him right
16:19.32timinatorthere ya go
16:19.34mindjujuhe had his own mouse at 1yr old
16:19.37timinatornice
16:19.47mindjujuPIII laptop @ 4yr
16:20.20timinatorI hear ya, my 1 yr old son has his own play laptop, and he sits w/ me when I work and types his own code
16:20.24timinatorNICE
16:20.54mindjujuit's all scrap parts, but it boots up xp
16:21.02timinatorcool
16:21.06timinatorthat's good enough
16:21.12mindjujutried edubuntu but the BIOS was too old
16:21.26timinatordang
16:22.44mindjujuyou have 3 on that side, right?
16:22.54timinatoryep
16:23.05timinatorg5, g3, b1
16:23.21mindjujui think thebigdog has the most kids
16:23.25mindjujuon the IRC
16:23.31thebigdog4
16:23.31mindjujuseems like he has 4, doesn't he?
16:23.34mindjujuyup
16:23.40timinatoryep
16:23.51timinatorwith the youngest being thelittledog
16:24.16timinator3.5?!?!
16:24.23mindjujunice!
16:24.23SunSparcThat will be 4 in about 4 weeks.
16:24.28timinatorah
16:24.33SunSparctiminator: Yeah, half a kid.
16:24.34mindjujuthen wouldn't that be 3.8 ?
16:24.41wpsI have 1.99
16:24.51SunSparcmindjuju: Yeah, more like that.  hehe
16:24.53timinatorno counting pets
16:24.54mindjujuwps!  I didn't know you were expecting another!
16:24.55SunSparcwps: Congrats!
16:24.57mindjujucongrats!
16:25.03wpsyup… any second
16:25.09timinatorcongrats wps
16:25.12wpsthanks
16:25.29mindjujua boy or a girl, or did you decide to wait to find out?
16:25.34wpsa boy
16:25.39timinatorso, based on the percentage, she's going into labor now?!?!
16:25.40mindjujunice!
16:25.55wpswe wish she was in labor right now
16:26.00wpsjust waiting
16:26.41mindjujuthis was Utah_Dave's first Father's Day
16:27.58timinatorwhere is he?
16:28.05timinatorstill being pampered?!?!
16:28.21wpsaccording to my wife, you are a mother and father as soon as you're married
16:28.27timinatorbetter tell him it's a 24 hr event ONLY
16:28.41timinatorhow does she figure?
16:28.43wpsI disagree, but I got in big trouble for not honoring her on Mother's Day before she had children
16:28.54mindjujuyipes
16:29.43timinator.... but, honey.... you're not a, um.... not a mother yet
16:29.53timinator*shrug
16:30.13wpsexactly
16:30.16wpsit's not wives day
16:30.23mindjujutrue that
16:30.27wpshow would I have known?
16:30.29timinatorright.... that's a different day
16:30.33timinatorand it's just as broad
16:31.36wpsI absolutely had header being links, but (a) my employer is making me make the change and (b) the one place I can see as being a good exception is on blogs
16:31.37wpsthat said
16:31.43wpswhat's everyone's option?
16:31.52wps<a><h2>... </h2></a>
16:31.54wpsor
16:32.02wps<h2><a>...</a></h2>
16:32.02wps?
16:32.31timinatorif the whole header is a link, it doesn't matter.
16:32.46timinatortell your boss to worry about things that ARE important
16:32.49mindjujui'd argue this as being better -- <a><h2>... </h2></a>
16:32.56timinatorhere, I'll tell him..... what's his ##?
16:33.16timinator:)
16:34.37wpsthat's what I went with, mindjuju
16:35.07timinatormindjuju: wps: how would that be benificial?
16:36.15mindjujubecause back in the days before I knew CSS, the following was true for me
16:36.27mindjuju<a> rips out any formating prior to it
16:36.41mindjujuso if you wanted particular formating, it had to be within the <a>
16:49.52timinatorI see
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18:36.32mindjujufungus, are you going to get the new iphone?
18:36.53tierradon't do it! it's a trick!
18:37.06SunSparchehe
18:37.09mindjujubut it's pretty hawt
18:37.37fungusI am pretty sure I can get one now it's got the enterprise stuff.
18:37.40fungusAnd the new price.
18:38.13mindjujuyeah, that's what i was thinking
18:38.24mindjujubut I saw the total cost of ownership is nearly 2k
18:38.32mindjujuover the life of the ocntract
18:40.19macnewboldthat TCO though isn't terribly different from other cell phones, especially if you're getting an internet plan with it like with the iPhone.
18:41.08mindjujuare you getting one?
18:44.12SunSparcmindjuju: Does that TCO include the fact that the iPhone is also a video iPhone, wicked cool internet browser and totally sexy?
18:44.25fungusThe data plan for the iPhone is a little more expensive than the my Blackberry dataplan.
18:44.45fungusbut not that much.
18:45.19fungusvideo, media, sexy, etc.  don't work when pitching the need for one to your CTO.
18:47.50mindjujui'm REALLY really thinking about getting one
18:48.43mindjujuthough was  considering getting something that would allow me to have broadband access like josephscott
18:48.55mindjujusome verizon phones offer that
18:48.56fungusMy CTO is an apple fan, and already has one, so he should be an easy sell too.
18:49.04SunSparcNice
18:49.20fungusOne word of warning, mindjuju, once you get one, it becomes an even tighter leash.
18:49.43mindjujutrue
18:49.55fungusIf you get a Blackberry on Sprint, they include free unlimited tethering.
18:50.05mindjujureally?
18:50.18fungusyup
18:50.25josephscottI'd really like to see the new iPhone have BT tethering
18:50.26fungussupported too.  not a hack.
18:51.02fungusyeah, iPhone with any tethering, cable or BT would be wonderful.
18:51.20josephscottthat would push me over the hedge to actually get an iphone :-)
18:52.27SunSparcYeah, tethering would rock.
18:52.32jsmithjosephscott: That's *one* of the the (many) things holding me back
18:53.14josephscottI've got a razr, so there aren't too many things holding me back ;-)
18:56.32tierrajosephscott: what provider?
18:57.23tierraSprint?
18:57.50josephscottmy razr, it's with Verizon
18:58.01josephscottmy evdo card is with Spint
18:58.15josephscottif I get an iPhone an ATT then I'll be really covered :-)
18:59.33tierra:(
18:59.44tierramaybe it'd still work
19:00.41tierrathe razr is a supported phone for pandora, but they only send the link to sprint and att customers... but you could try opening pandora.com on your phone
19:01.05josephscottI don't have a data plan for my razr, voice only
19:01.09tierra:(
19:01.37josephscottanother reason to consider the iphone :-)
19:03.14josephscottthe biggest thing holding me back, not being able to sell my house in Sacramento.  Trying to rent it now.  sigh.
19:03.14tierrawell, $20 on any plan with ATT gets your unlimited internet... my K850i does 3G and opera mini works just fine for what little browsing you'll ever do on a phone
19:03.56tierraalso, the iPhone doesn't have a 5MP camera :P
19:03.56wps"what little browsing you'll ever do on a phone" is not apples-to-apples between the iPhone and any other phone currently on the market though
19:04.05mindjujutierra, can you hook your laptop to it and browse at broadband speed?
19:04.11tierramindjuju: yes
19:04.33tierraabout 1Mbit down, and 386kb/s up
19:05.03mindjujucool, that's wshat i need
19:05.07mindjujucheap access anywhere
19:05.14tierrayep :)
19:05.14mindjujuthat speed sounds good enough
19:05.55josephscottif I had an iphone, I'd be browsing with it.
19:06.13josephscottlike tonight when I'm at the draper concert in the park
19:07.10tierraI wouldn't... I'd still use the 19"+ monitor while I'm at home or work, or have the laptop on hand, and the rest of the time, I'm usually busy with something else
19:08.44tierraand about the most I'll use it is to check up on news while I'm waiting on something (like getting a haircut or something), and I don't need an iphone to do that
19:08.45josephscottI usually have the laptop with me, but hard to make much use of that when I've got to be ready to chase after the kids at moments notice at the park
19:09.32josephscottsomeone must be writing an ssh app for the iphone app store.  that would be my #1 pick
19:12.56tierrayou could always use WebShell (the browser based terminal) since before the first iphone came out, heh
19:13.56mindjujuso quick question, i've had internet service through my HOA since i've moved here.  Now that i have a home with no HOA, i need to get internet service
19:14.14mindjujuwas thinking of getting DSL since i've heard bad things about comcast speed/ throttle, etc
19:14.24mindjujuwhat do ya'll have at home?
19:15.05tierracomcast has been fine for me... just dealing with their support is ridiculous
19:15.32tierrabut if you live anywhere that can get Utopia, that should be on the top of your list
19:15.40mindjujuhow is comcast speed?  are you getting anywhere near their rated "up to 6mbps" speed?
19:16.26tierraI pay $10/mo extra for the high speed package (8mbit/896kbit)
19:17.07tierraand yeah, I've never had problems getting the full speed of it, but I do hear that it depends on where you live (i.e. a big apartment complex can typically be a bottleneck)
19:17.23tierraI get full 1MB/s downloads all the time
19:23.31mindjujuwow, the BlackBerry®  Personal with tethering on ATT shows up as $60
19:37.18fungusThat about standard.
19:38.38mindjujugyeah, just bummed it wasn't the $20 data access
20:04.20mindjujuwow, and i thought the xbox 360 promoted violence!  finally the truth about the Wii!  - http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23872113-5001021,00.html
20:08.33funguslol,  I gotta get me a WiiFit
20:34.26DexterTheDragonHey everyone, we are starting up a Utah cakephp user group. If your interested we have a mailing list here http://groups.google.com/group/utahcakephp
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20:44.35SunSparcDexterTheDragon: Who is "we" and what are the benefits versus the main Cake group?
20:45.03DexterTheDragonSunSparc: Code Greene
20:45.52DexterTheDragonjust more of a local thing. We hope to have meetings where we can teach each other
20:46.39SunSparcMake sure you let _psychic_ know, since he is on the Cake team and may have some input for you.
20:46.59DexterTheDragondone
20:47.59_psychic_I might actually go to some of those meetings :)
20:48.03thebigdogi dont use cake i eat it
20:48.12_psychic_same thing
20:48.12SunSparcthebigdog: hehe
20:48.26thebigdog^5 _psychic_
20:48.37SunSparcEither way, you internalize it, right?
20:48.40DexterTheDragonI think there's enough cake users in utah to make a user group worth while
20:48.46SunSparcSo, for each meeting there will be Cake to eat?
20:49.04mindjujuwhat time will the meetings be?
20:49.09DexterTheDragonhigh probability
20:49.16mindjujulike lunch -n- learn time or later in the day?
20:49.59_psychic_who is Kevin Carter?
20:50.11DexterTheDragonthat would be me
20:50.32DexterTheDragonmindjuju: I would think evenings would be a good meeting time
20:50.40DexterTheDragondon't know when yet tho
20:50.58mindjujuat code greene?
20:51.09_psychic_DexterTheDragon: ever work at FranklnCovey?
20:51.19DexterTheDragonyeah. if it works best for people
20:51.22DexterTheDragon_psychic_: nope
20:51.27_psychic_k
20:51.33_psychic_different Kevin then :)
20:51.45DexterTheDragonI know the mediarain guys are a little further south
20:51.56DexterTheDragonbut we do have foosball here
20:52.03_psychic_not our setup you don't
20:52.13DexterTheDragonyeah yours is better
20:52.17_psychic_:)
20:53.17SunSparcThe best I have seen.
20:54.40thebigdogty
20:55.07thebigdogmy wife says the same thing
20:55.09thebigdoghehe
20:55.38SunSparcShe has to say that, she is your wife
20:57.18thebigdogwell yeah...but validation from friends is even better
20:57.25thebigdog^5 SunSparc and DexterTheDragon
20:57.39SunSparchehe
20:57.50SunSparc^5 thebigdog
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21:22.57macnewboldSunSparc_: thanks for sending Alain our way - that poor guy seems to have had a rough time with his last web developers
21:23.03macnewboldyou're hosting his site, right?
21:23.34SunSparc_macnewbold: You are welcome.  Yes, he has told me he is pretty frustrated.
21:23.41SunSparc_I am hosting his site yes.
21:24.09SunSparc_I guess he guess he has contacted a couple of the people I suggested, among which was you.
21:24.25SunSparc_I look out for my uphpu friends.
21:24.26SunSparc_;)
21:25.12wpsthree hours after lunch and I finally got that piece of meat that was stuck in my team
21:25.18wpss/team/teeth/
21:27.31macnewboldSunSparc_: is he hosted on a LAMP setup?
21:30.13mindjujuleftovers wps?
21:30.25wpsthe pains of not having a toothpick handy
21:31.04mindjujui'm starting to keep a couple of those insta-flosers + pick things
21:31.23mindjujucome in handy
21:36.55SunSparc_macnewbold: sorry, in a meeting.  Yes, his site is on a LAMP setup (FreeBSD).
21:37.20macnewboldsweet, /me <heart> FreeBSD
21:37.24_psychic_lol    http://wearscience.com/design/jurassic/
21:37.34macnewbold~lart mindjuju
21:37.34jbotblasts mindjuju to oblivion with a kamehameha wave
21:37.47mindjujuhey, that's what i heard!
21:37.58mindjuju:)
21:38.57SunSparc_FreeBSD rocks.
21:39.02josephscotthold on, did I just walk into a freebsd smack down?  that just isn't right!
21:39.08SunSparc_mindjuju is just looking for trouble
21:39.18mindjujuyeah, i like teasin' macnewbold
21:39.24mindjujuit's like playing with fire
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21:39.31mindjujuor poking at  bear with a stick
21:39.46mindjujuthe trick is saying just enough to get a laugh, but running like heck if it gets mad
21:39.52SunSparc_lol
21:40.01mindjuju:)
21:40.01macnewbold~shakespeare mindjuju
21:40.01jbotACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: mindjuju - Would thou wert clean enough to spit upon!
21:40.09macnewboldit's the bot that you need to phear
21:40.34macnewboldatta boy
21:40.39macnewbolddat's what I'm talkin bout
21:40.45mindjujuheh
21:41.03mindjujui'm just mad cause i spent a day trying to launch a server using freebsd, but got my butt kicked pretty hard
21:41.09mindjujuneed to read up before trying that againa
21:41.33josephscottyou know that's why Microsoft wanted to buy Yahoo right?  In an attempt to move another large web property from FreeBSD to Windows!
21:42.25josephscottmindjuju: bring your freebsd questions on thursday, I'm happy to help
21:42.40mindjujuoh, that was like 2 years ago when i was setting up a mail server
21:42.51mindjujui thought I was all bad and could set it up
21:42.55mindjujui knows better now
21:45.10SunSparc__psychic_: Jurassic BBQ was funny.  "Kiss the Cloner".
21:45.31_psychic_:)
21:47.39macnewboldany other pidgin users in here? I just updated the otehr day and now today my MSN connection keeps getting kicked off
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21:47.45macnewbold"notification from server: writing error"
21:48.14mindjujumy MSN does work, my groupwise doesn't
21:48.18mindjujugive me an SSL failure
21:48.32mindjujucourse for MSN, i think i'm going through HTTP
21:48.36macnewboldthere's no ssl option in my msn I don't think
21:48.42macnewboldwhat port is it set to use?
21:48.55beandog1337
21:49.06_psychic_:/
21:49.07SunSparchehe
21:49.08mindjujuoh wait, my bad on using HTTP method, i'm not, i'm directly connecting in
21:49.13mindjujuand that's port 1863
21:49.24mindjujumessenger.hotmail.com
21:49.27mindjujuis the server
21:49.32_psychic_beandog: I always wanted the background color for my webpage to be #BADA55
21:49.42beandog_psychic_, heh, thats great
21:49.47mindjuju:)
21:49.56jsmithmacnewbold: I'm having problems with MSN today, and I *didn't* just upgrade
21:49.56mindjujuk gents, i'm out for a while
21:49.57mindjujucya
21:49.58beandogmacnewbold, the real error here is that you admitted to using msn.  shun!
21:50.05beandogshun the non-believer!
21:50.44jsmithDoes that make me an IM leper?
21:52.26SunSparc_psychic_: #BADA55 is actually a nice color.
21:52.50_psychic_SunSparc: Why else would I want it as a background color?!
21:53.15SunSparclol, of course, _psychic_ no other reason, just giving my approval.
21:53.16SunSparc;)
21:53.32_psychic_Yet another reason I'd use it.
21:53.51_psychic_body {background:#BADA55} /* Approved by SunSparc */
21:54.06SunSparcProbably the best reason.
21:54.15beandogheh
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22:23.48macnewboldso it's probably just a problem with MSN, which shouldn't surprise me
22:24.06macnewboldyeah, I use MSN, but only cause some of my contacts are only on that network.
22:28.11SunSparcmacnewbold: My MSN IM connection is down today also.
22:30.39SunSparcI had to sign off and then back on to reconnect.
22:37.54herlomindjuju: ping
22:57.04wpsdoes it matter what order ORDER BY and GROUP BY come in, in your MySQL query?
22:57.59DexterTheDragonwps: I believe so
22:58.09wpswhich is supposed to come first?
22:58.53DexterTheDragongroup order limit
22:59.01wpsthanks
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23:40.50timinator_I'm out... later guys
23:41.37macnewboldwow, utahcakephp already has about 20 members on the list
23:41.41macnewboldnot bad for one afternoon

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