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| 01:12.52 | SunSparc | Ahhh, much better. |
| 01:33.05 | timinator | I'm out guys.... later |
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| 01:53.56 | mindjuju | anybody know if mysql "bool" is the same thing as ms sql "bit" ? |
| 01:54.19 | SunSparc | Not sure |
| 01:54.38 | mindjuju | have you ever used bool? if so, in what way |
| 01:54.48 | SunSparc | I know MySQL really does not have a bool type. |
| 01:55.05 | SunSparc | It is basically just an int with a size of 1. |
| 01:55.10 | mindjuju | yup |
| 01:55.13 | mindjuju | that's what i need |
| 01:55.17 | mindjuju | a true, false |
| 01:55.19 | mindjuju | 0,1 |
| 01:55.21 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 02:01.27 | burnin | I don't think the SQL standard covers a boolean, for cross database compatibility your probably best going with an integer |
| 02:02.43 | SunSparc | I agree |
| 02:19.36 | beandog | mindjuju: it is. |
| 02:20.03 | beandog | mysql's bool is just a tinyint(1) though, not a real boolean |
| 02:20.12 | beandog | postgres has an actual boolean field type though. |
| 02:20.13 | beandog | is nice. |
| 02:20.19 | beandog | select from foo where bar = true; |
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| 02:30.35 | beandog | of course |
| 02:30.40 | beandog | postgres has a field type for ip addresses, too |
| 02:30.43 | beandog | how cool is *that*? |
| 02:30.51 | beandog | ~postgres++ |
| 02:32.07 | wps | that is cool |
| 02:32.31 | SunSparc | It is non-standard, that is what it is. |
| 02:32.47 | SunSparc | Helpful for postgres users, but migrate and :( |
| 02:32.54 | SunSparc | :) |
| 02:33.46 | SunSparc | Although, most, if not all DBMS have non-standard SQL implementations. Just part of the game. |
| 02:33.53 | beandog | mysql is *far* more non-standard than postgres. |
| 02:34.00 | SunSparc | I would agree with that. |
| 02:34.01 | SunSparc | :) |
| 02:34.10 | SunSparc | hehe, I am not saying one is better. |
| 02:34.25 | SunSparc | Unless you want to fight about it. |
| 02:34.27 | SunSparc | Then I am |
| 02:34.29 | beandog | I actually think sqlite comes closest to implementing all of ANSI SQL, believe it or not. |
| 02:34.43 | beandog | SunSparc: well lets just start from the premise that I'm always right, and that's unchanging |
| 02:34.47 | beandog | That'll make for a fun discussion. |
| 02:34.49 | beandog | :) |
| 02:34.54 | SunSparc | lol, |
| 02:35.03 | SunSparc | That would make for NO discussion. |
| 02:35.07 | SunSparc | lart beandog |
| 02:35.10 | SunSparc | Doh! |
| 02:35.21 | beandog | fail |
| 02:35.28 | SunSparc | Totally |
| 02:35.56 | SunSparc | sqlite probably comes the closest because it implements so very little, in order to maintain its' name. |
| 02:37.36 | beandog | its actually been adding features lately |
| 02:37.52 | beandog | not that I can remember anything off the top of my head. |
| 02:38.04 | beandog | I wish it was a little more popular though |
| 02:38.10 | beandog | I hate running daemons for really small apps. |
| 02:38.51 | herlo | ~seen fungus |
| 02:39.09 | jbot | fungus <n=olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 5h 13m 25s ago, saying: 'How about Samurai?'. |
| 02:39.09 | SunSparc | I have not really delved into it. But I know _psychic_ and some others have. For AIR projects it can be nice. |
| 02:39.09 | beandog | AIR? |
| 02:39.19 | beandog | ~miss fungus |
| 02:39.20 | jbot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of fungus. |
| 02:39.21 | SunSparc | Flex desktop apps. |
| 02:39.23 | beandog | hows it going herlo |
| 02:39.24 | SunSparc | ~air |
| 02:39.25 | jbot | it has been suggested that air is something that some people need. |
| 02:39.27 | beandog | SunSparc: whats that |
| 02:39.28 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 02:39.32 | herlo | beandog: good you? |
| 02:39.43 | beandog | herlo: I'm trying to get enough energy to go cook dinner. |
| 02:39.50 | SunSparc | beandog: http://www.adobe.com/products/air/ |
| 02:39.55 | herlo | beandog: don't do it!! |
| 02:39.57 | beandog | right now I only have enough to cram my face full of chocolate chips |
| 02:40.03 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 02:40.10 | herlo | beandog: chocolate is a food group |
| 02:40.24 | SunSparc | jbot, give beandog some energy |
| 02:40.24 | jbot | ACTION gives some energy to beandog |
| 02:40.38 | beandog | I need an energy cube |
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| 02:40.42 | beandog | ~transformers |
| 02:42.05 | herlo | lol |
| 02:51.33 | mindjuju | didn't sqlite3 come out after php5 ? |
| 02:53.05 | orsonj | not sure, but sqlite is up to version 3.5.9 |
| 02:54.07 | orsonj | you can use sqlite3 with php but it looks like you have to use a pear module |
| 02:54.47 | orsonj | not to say I couldn't be reading things incorrectly |
| 02:55.16 | mindjuju | well, watch this, it'll make everything better - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KDPUTyDyQ |
| 02:58.38 | orsonj | ~lart mindjuju for offering a youtube link to someone on dialup |
| 02:58.38 | jbot | slaps mindjuju upside the head with a wet fish for offering a youtube link to someone on dialup |
| 02:58.56 | orsonj | ~lart orsonj for still using dialup |
| 02:58.56 | jbot | teaches orsonj the basics, including how to RTM for still using dialup |
| 03:01.02 | mindjuju | beandog |
| 03:01.04 | mindjuju | you around? |
| 03:01.45 | mindjuju | does anybody remember the name of the movie like star wars |
| 03:01.52 | mindjuju | that was really hokey |
| 03:02.24 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I like that song. Thanks. |
| 03:02.37 | mindjuju | a touch of honey? |
| 03:02.42 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 03:02.43 | mindjuju | it sticks in your brain |
| 03:02.45 | mindjuju | hard to get out |
| 03:03.02 | SunSparc | Yeah, it does. Nice trumpet solos. I used to play trumpet |
| 03:09.03 | orsonj | ah, my bad! It looks like there is now a module for sqlite3 so you don't need to use pdo |
| 03:09.41 | SunSparc | I think you owe PHP an apology. |
| 03:09.48 | herlo | mindjuju: Spaceballs? |
| 03:11.26 | orsonj | now, to get cake to support sqlite3 |
| 03:12.38 | SunSparc | heh |
| 03:12.55 | orsonj | Rollerballs? (ok, not the movie, but the opening sequence was cool) |
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| 03:26.16 | jnbek | thx, lol, just reinstalled my system, and everything is broken :-/ |
| 03:26.37 | SunSparc | Including your irc client, apparently. :) |
| 03:28.03 | jnbek | especially my IRC client :-P |
| 03:28.35 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 03:28.45 | SunSparc | jbot, fix jnbek's irc client |
| 03:28.46 | jbot | ACTION opens the hood of jnbek's irc client , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 03:28.56 | SunSparc | lol |
| 03:29.03 | jnbek | ouch!! |
| 03:30.58 | SunSparc | I think jbot only accepts the American Express Black card. |
| 03:38.21 | jnbek | rats !! |
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| 05:21.49 | orsonj | sqlite3 that is |
| 05:22.06 | orsonj | It even almost works |
| 05:25.08 | orsonj | well, it does work, just not exactly the same. Thus defeating the purpose of a dbo. |
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| 06:01.19 | beandog | oh gosh, its midnight |
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| 14:52.39 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 14:53.25 | herlo | sure |
| 14:53.34 | mindjuju | hi herlo |
| 14:54.01 | mindjuju | do you by chance know of a matrix somewhere that says what browsers support what bit SSL encryption, like FF 2 suports 256 bit SSL encryption |
| 14:54.16 | mindjuju | where IE 5 suppports only xx-bit SSL encryption |
| 14:55.18 | mindjuju | can't seem to find anything in google that offers those stats |
| 14:55.31 | mindjuju | shows browsers to SSL support |
| 14:59.01 | herlo | hrmm, probably have to go to each browser's website |
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| 15:00.06 | herlo | mindjuju: that'd be a cool *draw* page for visitors to your website, hint hint |
| 15:01.13 | mindjuju | yeah it would |
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| 15:09.59 | orsonj | _psychic_: where is the preferred place to send patches? (cakephp) |
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| 15:10.10 | _psychic_ | trac.cakephp.org |
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| 15:10.15 | orsonj | I got a basic sqlite3 dbo |
| 15:10.21 | _psychic_ | nice |
| 15:10.34 | _psychic_ | you have to create an account to log a ticket |
| 15:10.47 | orsonj | Is is different than the login for the doc system? |
| 15:10.51 | _psychic_ | btw 1.2 RC1 stable is out as of yesterday |
| 15:10.58 | _psychic_ | orsonj: I think so, yeah. |
| 15:11.02 | orsonj | ok |
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| 15:34.34 | DexterTheDragon | Bark |
| 15:35.19 | herlo | Squeak |
| 15:37.25 | jsmith | Roar |
| 15:37.28 | SunSparc | Oink |
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| 15:38.41 | mindjuju | Sssssssss Ssssssssss |
| 15:39.55 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 15:40.07 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 15:40.17 | SunSparc | Mooo |
| 15:46.52 | SunSparc | Woof |
| 15:46.57 | SunSparc | Neighhh |
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| 15:49.06 | timinator | morning guys |
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| 15:56.44 | SunSparc | You just trying to get a rise out of us timinator? |
| 15:56.50 | SunSparc | Coming in twice |
| 15:56.55 | timinator | LOL |
| 15:57.09 | timinator | no... was trying to reset my DNS |
| 15:57.25 | timinator | for something unrelated |
| 15:58.10 | synic | whatever. |
| 15:59.24 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 16:40.47 | mgeary | hey folks |
| 16:40.49 | mgeary | help me out on this |
| 16:40.50 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/54977/ |
| 16:41.06 | mgeary | i want to update a field on a table on rows matching a subquery |
| 16:41.20 | mgeary | the error i get is, "You can't specify target table 'table_A' for update in FROM clause" |
| 16:41.50 | mgeary | but i know i've done this before. Just can't remember how i did |
| 16:47.11 | SunSparc | Why is there an extra closing paren at the end of the from line? Is that just a typo in the paste? |
| 16:48.01 | mgeary | subquery |
| 16:48.05 | mgeary | oh |
| 16:48.12 | orsonj | good catch |
| 16:48.17 | mgeary | no, it's a typo in the paste |
| 16:48.20 | mgeary | from my sanitizing |
| 16:48.21 | mgeary | one sec |
| 16:48.25 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:48.43 | SunSparc | mgeary: Does that sub query work when you run it separately? |
| 16:48.46 | mgeary | yes |
| 16:49.20 | mgeary | http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=475696 |
| 16:49.26 | mgeary | it's a fairly common problem, it seems |
| 16:49.47 | mgeary | which suggests there *must* be an acceptable solution |
| 16:50.23 | SunSparc | That is odd that it would complain about that. Seems pretty straight forward. |
| 16:50.50 | orsonj | does "IN" need to be there? |
| 16:51.03 | mgeary | yes, because it's a result set of several rows |
| 16:51.23 | mgeary | changing it from an UPDATE to a SELECT works just fine: |
| 16:51.40 | jsmith | Sounds like a limitation in MySQL to me |
| 16:51.44 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 16:51.56 | SunSparc | Any feedback on #mysql yet? |
| 16:52.10 | mgeary | not yet |
| 16:52.26 | SunSparc | Perhaps it is a "feature". |
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| 16:57.39 | SunSparc | Woof |
| 16:57.49 | mgeary | thebigdog: hey, i've got a query for ya |
| 16:58.04 | mgeary | trying to use a subquery to update a table |
| 16:58.05 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/54982/ |
| 16:58.36 | thebigdog | k |
| 16:58.44 | mgeary | as-is it's a no-go. complains about, "You can't specify target table 'table_A' for update in FROM clause" |
| 16:58.53 | mgeary | trying to find a workaround |
| 16:59.07 | thebigdog | mysql? |
| 16:59.18 | mgeary | yup |
| 17:02.01 | thebigdog | version 5+ right |
| 17:02.33 | mgeary | yeap |
| 17:02.52 | thebigdog | you cannot have the same table in the select and update |
| 17:02.56 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:03.15 | thebigdog | only way around would be a stored proc |
| 17:03.18 | mgeary | but surely there's SOME way to do this. it seems like such a common issue |
| 17:03.20 | thebigdog | or view |
| 17:03.43 | thebigdog | i would create a view first and see if that solves the isuse |
| 17:04.01 | thebigdog | if that does not work then create a temp table to query from in the subselect |
| 17:04.01 | beandog | what? |
| 17:04.04 | beandog | mgeary, that should totally work |
| 17:04.11 | thebigdog | in pgsql it does |
| 17:04.21 | thebigdog | just and fyi |
| 17:04.30 | thebigdog | beandog, that is a limitation of mysql |
| 17:04.37 | beandog | look ma, I'm resisting! |
| 17:04.56 | beandog | hmm, dpaste.com. thats kinda pretty looking. |
| 17:05.05 | _psychic_ | what are some of the posterchildren applications for pgsql? |
| 17:05.21 | jsmith | thebigdog: Thanks for testing it in PostgreSQL... I was going to do the same, but I was busy teaching |
| 17:05.24 | beandog | _psychic_, the .org registrar? |
| 17:05.31 | jsmith | _psychic_: Yahoo |
| 17:05.57 | jsmith | _psychic_: Yahoo claims to have the worlds largest RDBMS running on PostgreSQL, from something I read a few weeks ago |
| 17:05.57 | _psychic_ | jsmith: http://www.mysql.com/customers/customer.php?id=3 ? |
| 17:06.03 | thebigdog | anything that is opensource geo stuff |
| 17:06.08 | _psychic_ | gotcha |
| 17:06.43 | thebigdog | mgeary did you try that? |
| 17:06.49 | mgeary | try what? |
| 17:06.52 | mgeary | oh temp table |
| 17:07.05 | jsmith | _psychic_: Yeah, Yahoo uses MySQL a lot too... but check this out: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=databases&articleId=9087918&taxonomyId=53&intsrc=kc_feat |
| 17:07.12 | mgeary | jeeze, it's been ages since i used temp tables |
| 17:07.32 | mgeary | remind me how that works |
| 17:07.51 | mgeary | create table (select query here)....? |
| 17:08.16 | beandog | dont need () |
| 17:08.30 | beandog | create table foo as select bar from zaz; |
| 17:08.43 | wps | I wish that an SVN commit automatically included the files that were included in the notes |
| 17:08.57 | beandog | wps, ? what do you mean |
| 17:09.14 | SunSparc | wps: hehe |
| 17:09.23 | wps | if I look back through the logâ¦Â I just see the notes that I wrote during the commitâ¦Â the files aren't mentioned |
| 17:09.42 | wps | so if I want to know which files went with that, I have to type their names in with the note text |
| 17:09.49 | SunSparc | That would be handy |
| 17:10.00 | beandog | wps, what are you using for logs?? |
| 17:10.12 | wps | what do you mean, beandog ? |
| 17:10.23 | beandog | you said you went back through the log, what log |
| 17:10.28 | wps | svn log |
| 17:10.32 | beandog | oh |
| 17:10.39 | beandog | try svn info |
| 17:10.51 | beandog | get someting cool, like viewsvn |
| 17:10.56 | beandog | or trac! |
| 17:10.59 | beandog | trac++ |
| 17:11.05 | DexterTheDragon | trac-- |
| 17:11.12 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, noooooooooooo! |
| 17:11.15 | DexterTheDragon | wps try svn log -v |
| 17:11.27 | beandog | wait a minute |
| 17:11.28 | wps | wahoo! |
| 17:11.30 | wps | thanks, DexterTheDragon |
| 17:11.31 | beandog | svn info? what am i saying? |
| 17:11.34 | wps | that's exactly what I wanted |
| 17:12.39 | thebigdog | mgeary create a view |
| 17:12.44 | thebigdog | try that first |
| 17:15.22 | jsmith | _psychic_: To make a long story short, Yahoo is one of the top five largest MySQL users in the world... but even they recognize that there's a lot of stuff that PostgreSQL is better at |
| 17:16.08 | _psychic_ | sure |
| 17:16.49 | beandog | You dont have to be Yahoo to realize that postgres has better stuff. |
| 17:16.51 | mgeary | thebigdog: doesn't work using a view |
| 17:17.01 | mgeary | The definition of table 'temp1' prevents operation UPDATE on table 'table_A' |
| 17:17.05 | beandog | You just have to actually have the guts to try them both out and realize it for yourself. |
| 17:17.07 | jsmith | beandog: Obviously ;-) |
| 17:17.52 | thebigdog | mgeary, try a temp table and see how that works |
| 17:18.24 | _psychic_ | beandog: I've never felt like I needed to |
| 17:18.46 | mgeary | thebigdog: mind whipping up some sample sql that demonstrates that? |
| 17:18.47 | thebigdog | mgeary, or you can use a stored proc and see if that works for you |
| 17:19.34 | thebigdog | mgeary, with a temp table it would have to be a query before |
| 17:19.46 | thebigdog | create temporary table .... |
| 17:19.55 | thebigdog | then you would use that table in your subselect |
| 17:20.23 | thebigdog | if you dont want that then you need to do a stored procedure |
| 17:20.24 | thebigdog | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/stored-procedures.html |
| 17:21.11 | thebigdog | im not up to par on my mysql stored procs |
| 17:21.29 | thebigdog | but in a stored proc you can do the initial query first |
| 17:21.34 | thebigdog | the subselect and get the results |
| 17:21.38 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:21.42 | thebigdog | then you can pop those right in the update |
| 17:21.53 | thebigdog | which will be fast and efficient then running two queries |
| 17:22.30 | thebigdog | _psychic_, this kinda goes back to your comment yesterday on the business logic in the storage layer |
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| 17:22.47 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 17:22.49 | thebigdog | i like to do this type of stuff at the db layer cause it is very efficient |
| 17:23.24 | _psychic_ | that's a pretty good argument for spaghetti code, too. I really dislike seeing logic in there. :/ |
| 17:23.31 | _psychic_ | hard to test |
| 17:23.33 | _psychic_ | hard to revision |
| 17:23.57 | thebigdog | not really |
| 17:24.02 | _psychic_ | causes maintenance load because business logic is in the db and in the application code |
| 17:24.34 | thebigdog | it is a stored procedure which can be used in the db without issues |
| 17:26.11 | beandog | stored procs freaking rawk. |
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| 17:27.38 | thebigdog | technically the logic layer makes the decisions and evaluations for the changes...we just implementing those changes already decided by the logic tier |
| 17:28.25 | thebigdog | but i can see your point too about the logic tier as well |
| 17:28.57 | _psychic_ | I'd really get bothered having to sort in different layers when hunting down a bug |
| 17:29.20 | _psychic_ | thebigdog: yeah but there's a difference between domain logic and business logic |
| 17:29.31 | _psychic_ | most procs I've run into are very business logic oriented |
| 17:30.17 | thebigdog | correct and that is where the design documents would play a vital role |
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| 17:31.05 | thebigdog | normally i use stored procs to help with speed and efficiency in the db layer |
| 17:31.33 | thebigdog | esp as it relates to the physical db and not the logical |
| 17:31.53 | _psychic_ | I've never felt like I've needed that. |
| 17:32.01 | _psychic_ | And design docs aren't a solution either, imho |
| 17:32.12 | _psychic_ | Just because you documented it, doesn't mean it's good practice. |
| 17:32.26 | thebigdog | no but you set the standard for the project |
| 17:32.28 | thebigdog | that is key |
| 17:32.35 | thebigdog | especially in enterprise development |
| 17:32.44 | _psychic_ | whatever "enterprise" means |
| 17:32.55 | _psychic_ | and you can set a bad standard as easily as you can a good one |
| 17:33.00 | beandog | enterprise means "our business is bigger than a rolling taco stand" |
| 17:33.09 | wps | I asked this a few days ago, but still have not found an answer |
| 17:33.15 | _psychic_ | If I always but business logic in views, and document it, it's still a bad idea. |
| 17:33.15 | thebigdog | true...and with every project you can find the good and the bad |
| 17:33.27 | wps | I have several javascript files that the browser thinks are text/html |
| 17:33.31 | wps | any ideas how to fix that? |
| 17:33.34 | thebigdog | enterprise is when you have many teams and developers |
| 17:33.40 | mgeary | wps: how are you linking them in? |
| 17:33.42 | wps | <script type="application/javascript" language="javascript" src="/assets/global/scripts/sack/tw-sack.js"></script> |
| 17:33.43 | thebigdog | even outside your company |
| 17:34.04 | wps | the error: "resource interpreted as script but transferred with MIME type text/html" |
| 17:34.15 | thebigdog | _psychic_, but then again define your business logic |
| 17:34.35 | wps | get same thing if I use type="text/javascript" |
| 17:34.36 | DexterTheDragon | wps you have to use type="text/javascript" |
| 17:34.39 | DexterTheDragon | bah |
| 17:35.11 | wps | I don't get it |
| 17:35.30 | _psychic_ | headers are wrong |
| 17:35.51 | _psychic_ | thebigdog: don't mean to be short, but you don't understand what I mean by that? |
| 17:36.06 | thebigdog | mean by what? |
| 17:36.09 | _psychic_ | it's the number crunching you do to get an interface ready |
| 17:36.13 | _psychic_ | business logic |
| 17:36.20 | thebigdog | number crunching? |
| 17:36.41 | _psychic_ | domain logic gets the data, business logic combines and processes data, and presentational logic shows it |
| 17:37.02 | DexterTheDragon | wps: is the server sending the file as text/html? |
| 17:37.24 | thebigdog | domain logic is your business logic |
| 17:37.47 | PoeticIntensity | sorry to interrupt, but I've got a pgsql question, thebigdog and jsmith .... |
| 17:37.58 | thebigdog | k |
| 17:38.08 | PoeticIntensity | is there any way to alter the encoding of a database once there are tables / data in it? |
| 17:38.44 | PoeticIntensity | the docs don't say anything about it in the alter database syntax page. |
| 17:39.01 | PoeticIntensity | that suggests to me that I'm stuck unless I want to re-create one with the proper encoding and then repopulate it. |
| 17:39.04 | jsmith | PoeticIntensity: No, I typically create the new table and then select the data into the new table |
| 17:39.15 | jsmith | (select the data from the old table into the new table, that is) |
| 17:39.20 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 17:39.25 | thebigdog | pg_dump |
| 17:39.28 | thebigdog | new table |
| 17:39.30 | PoeticIntensity | there's 2.2 Gigs of data... |
| 17:39.31 | thebigdog | pg_restore |
| 17:39.37 | PoeticIntensity | bah.... I was afraid of that. :) |
| 17:39.45 | jsmith | thebigdog: Why not just "SELECT INTO"? |
| 17:40.01 | _psychic_ | thebigdog: there's a difference to me. They are very much not the same. |
| 17:40.16 | PoeticIntensity | there are like 30 tables in the db... |
| 17:40.23 | PoeticIntensity | I think the pg_dump will work best... |
| 17:40.24 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, guys. |
| 17:40.40 | jsmith | Or actually, CREATE TABLE AS is probably better |
| 17:40.55 | thebigdog | _psychic_, well domain logic is defined as your business rules and algorithms |
| 17:41.05 | thebigdog | hence the use of domain |
| 17:41.59 | _psychic_ | domain == the data you work with |
| 17:42.08 | _psychic_ | algorithms are business logic |
| 17:42.16 | _psychic_ | i.e. what you do with your domain |
| 17:42.30 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, I *think* theres a way to do it |
| 17:42.43 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, youre talking about changing the client encoding, right? to a different language? |
| 17:43.01 | PoeticIntensity | from SQL_ASCII to UTF8 |
| 17:43.02 | beandog | Easiest way for me was to do a pg_dump, sed the SQL_ASCII or whatever to the one I want |
| 17:43.04 | beandog | yah |
| 17:43.08 | beandog | that's what Ive had to do |
| 17:43.10 | PoeticIntensity | K |
| 17:43.33 | beandog | createdb foo -E UTF8 |
| 17:43.41 | wps | DexterTheDragon: any way to determine if it's the server's problem? vs. the browser? |
| 17:43.52 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, I remember looking into it, I couldnt really find a way to do it. I know you can change the encoding youre using in the shell |
| 17:43.53 | thebigdog | Domain Logic represents the calculations and data storage that form the core of the application. |
| 17:44.18 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.. |
| 17:44.23 | thebigdog | for me that encapsulates the 2 elements |
| 17:44.23 | PoeticIntensity | I can dump it all... |
| 17:44.28 | PoeticIntensity | I just didn't wanna go through it. |
| 17:44.28 | thebigdog | logic and data |
| 17:44.35 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, though. |
| 17:44.40 | DexterTheDragon | wps: goto domain.com/assets/global/scripts/sack/tw-sack.js and see what the headers are |
| 17:44.45 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, yah, sorry man. :T |
| 17:44.49 | thebigdog | Poetic i have the commands if you need them |
| 17:45.06 | wps | you mean load that page in FF and watch the headers come through with firebug? |
| 17:45.11 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh* I've got the commands.... I did it all yesterday. :-| |
| 17:45.24 | PoeticIntensity | I just did it without knowing the encoding on the db was wrong. |
| 17:45.26 | DexterTheDragon | wps: yeah that works |
| 17:45.31 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, k |
| 17:45.32 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, one other th ing |
| 17:45.37 | beandog | theres a way to set the default encoding for new databases |
| 17:45.43 | beandog | in one of the conf files, somewhere |
| 17:45.48 | beandog | or maybe its modifying template1 |
| 17:46.19 | DexterTheDragon | wps: in the response headers it should say the mime type it sent it as |
| 17:48.22 | wps | header content-type: text/html |
| 17:48.44 | wps | that means the server is serving it wrong, right? |
| 17:50.56 | mgeary | believe so |
| 17:55.12 | wps | I am looking through my httpd.conf |
| 17:55.20 | wps | what does this do? |
| 17:55.20 | wps | AddType application/x-httpd-php .js |
| 17:55.31 | beandog | makes php parse .js files |
| 17:56.12 | wps | that could be wasting processing if I don't have any PHP code in my js files, right? |
| 17:56.48 | beandog | well |
| 17:57.06 | beandog | processes wasted wouldn't be significant. |
| 18:00.58 | wps | that was it |
| 18:01.05 | wps | beandog and DexterTheDragon |
| 18:01.18 | wps | I removed that line from httpd.conf and now the javascript files are being interpreted correctly |
| 18:04.10 | beandog | \o/ |
| 18:16.17 | PoeticIntensity | man... |
| 18:16.37 | PoeticIntensity | I didn't realize how much slower SQL is at inserting data when compared to the COPY command... |
| 18:16.49 | PoeticIntensity | craziness. |
| 18:17.08 | beandog | :) |
| 18:17.08 | beandog | yahps. |
| 18:17.15 | beandog | psql ftw! \o/ |
| 18:17.40 | PoeticIntensity | oh yeah.... |
| 18:17.59 | PoeticIntensity | I've only been using PGSQL now for about 10 months.... |
| 18:18.01 | PoeticIntensity | and I love it. |
| 18:18.22 | wps | I am trying to dynamically change the content of a HTML object |
| 18:18.26 | wps | using innerHTML |
| 18:18.29 | wps | f.innerHTML |
| 18:18.30 | PoeticIntensity | woot! |
| 18:18.35 | wps | but am getting this error |
| 18:18.39 | PoeticIntensity | I do it all the time, wps. |
| 18:18.51 | wps | NO_MODIFICATION_ALLOED_ERR: DOM Exception 7 |
| 18:18.54 | wps | that mean anything to anyone? |
| 18:19.03 | PoeticIntensity | O.o |
| 18:19.11 | PoeticIntensity | uhhh.... |
| 18:19.16 | PoeticIntensity | is "f" a div? |
| 18:19.29 | wps | an input field |
| 18:19.37 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 18:19.39 | PoeticIntensity | you wanna use value... |
| 18:19.45 | PoeticIntensity | not innerhtml. |
| 18:19.50 | wps | so just f.value? |
| 18:19.51 | PoeticIntensity | f.value = "blah" |
| 18:19.52 | PoeticIntensity | yeah |
| 18:19.53 | wps | ahâ¦Â duh |
| 18:19.55 | wps | stupid me |
| 18:20.03 | wps | thanks |
| 18:20.09 | PoeticIntensity | glad I could help. |
| 18:20.12 | beandog | PoeticIntensity to the rescue again |
| 18:20.21 | beandog | you need a theme song |
| 18:20.22 | PoeticIntensity | considering all the help I've been taking - sheesh.... I'm in debt. |
| 18:21.14 | wps | oh wait |
| 18:21.17 | wps | I do want innerHTML |
| 18:21.22 | wps | I don't want it change the value of the input |
| 18:21.33 | PoeticIntensity | what do you want to change? |
| 18:21.33 | wps | I want to write into a div that is a sibling of the input |
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| 18:21.45 | PoeticIntensity | what's the id of the div? |
| 18:21.57 | wps | f.sibling.innerHTML ? |
| 18:21.57 | wps | mf_msg_partner_name |
| 18:22.18 | PoeticIntensity | document.getElementById("mf_msg_partner_name").innerHTML |
| 18:22.29 | wps | I need to dynamically get the div though |
| 18:22.39 | wps | instead of hard coding the div ID into the script |
| 18:22.50 | PoeticIntensity | by passing an id to a js function? |
| 18:23.00 | wps | well, I'd rather not pass another variable |
| 18:23.02 | PoeticIntensity | (in order to do it dynamically, correct)? |
| 18:23.07 | PoeticIntensity | how will it know what to change? |
| 18:23.24 | wps | can't I use the f and then get the div by sibling? |
| 18:23.49 | PoeticIntensity | possibly... I rarely use the DOM model to do stuff like that. |
| 18:23.58 | PoeticIntensity | I imagine if there's only one sibling, it could work... |
| 18:24.07 | PoeticIntensity | but if there's more, then I'd imagine you'd have to specify.. |
| 18:24.10 | wps | yesâ¦Â guaranteed only one sibling |
| 18:24.17 | PoeticIntensity | give it a shot, then. |
| 18:24.27 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not sure of the syntax, though. |
| 18:24.57 | wps | yeahâ¦Â I'm nearly positive it's possibleâ¦Â just need to track down the syntax |
| 18:25.50 | wps | I hate the stress of coworkers asking you to go to lunch |
| 18:25.56 | wps | I am very frugal and rarely ever eat out |
| 18:25.58 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 18:26.01 | PoeticIntensity | "NO, JERKS!" |
| 18:26.25 | PoeticIntensity | get em' to buy it for you! |
| 18:26.29 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 18:27.42 | beandog | man |
| 18:27.48 | beandog | the pepsi is just not doing it for me today. |
| 18:28.04 | PoeticIntensity | pepsi->mountain dew->Monster |
| 18:28.21 | PoeticIntensity | Monster->Monster mixed with a variety of "enegy powders" |
| 18:28.28 | PoeticIntensity | energy, even. |
| 18:30.59 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:31.10 | mindjuju | you got me on carbonated drinks, i drink them from time to time |
| 18:31.29 | herlo | caffeinated as well |
| 18:31.45 | PoeticIntensity | I have an IV at work with carbonated caffeine injected straight into my heart. |
| 18:31.54 | wps | :) |
| 18:32.02 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:32.08 | PoeticIntensity | nah... I have caffeine when I'm tired. |
| 18:32.24 | wps | I sleep when I am tired |
| 18:32.34 | wps | :) |
| 18:32.57 | PoeticIntensity | you can sleep at work? |
| 18:33.12 | beandog | its called meetings |
| 18:33.16 | wps | yup |
| 18:33.17 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:33.32 | PoeticIntensity | that's freakin' awesome, wps. |
| 18:33.37 | beandog | "I have to go have a meeting .... by myself ... in the back office .... with the door closed and lights out." |
| 18:34.31 | wps | can you get a child that of a certain type? or of a certain class name? |
| 18:37.29 | wps | never mind |
| 18:37.35 | wps | got the next sibling to work |
| 18:37.36 | wps | it's nextSibling |
| 18:37.40 | wps | f.nextSibling.innerHTML |
| 18:37.43 | wps | cha-ching |
| 18:42.13 | PoeticIntensity | niiice. |
| 18:42.16 | mgeary | i'm not sure the sibling things work as expected on all browsers |
| 18:42.29 | mgeary | seems like IE had some problem there |
| 18:42.30 | PoeticIntensity | ah... who cares about IE. |
| 18:42.33 | mgeary | well, yeah |
| 18:42.36 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 18:42.37 | PoeticIntensity | I wish. |
| 18:42.51 | wps | yuckâ¦Â don't tell me that |
| 18:42.57 | mgeary | wps: not certain |
| 18:43.01 | wps | I'll test |
| 18:43.03 | mgeary | just seem to recall something about that |
| 18:43.14 | PoeticIntensity | I wonder if all businessmen knew of all the money they would save if they just didn't program for IE..... |
| 18:43.22 | PoeticIntensity | if IE would die... |
| 18:43.33 | PoeticIntensity | that made no sense at all... |
| 18:43.36 | PoeticIntensity | I need lunch. |
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| 19:41.31 | beandog | ~lunch |
| 19:41.32 | jbot | well, lunch is a nightmare in the Mensa |
| 19:41.42 | beandog | ~carlsjr++ |
| 19:41.56 | beandog | except the chick behind the counter sneezed before bagging my food |
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| 19:42.52 | mgeary | hah |
| 19:43.01 | mgeary | ~jbot++ for a german cultural reference |
| 19:43.07 | mindjuju | anybody know if there is a way to determine connection speed using JS ? |
| 19:47.04 | mgeary | ugh. good one |
| 19:47.15 | _psychic_ | you could run a test ajax call |
| 19:47.16 | beandog | popup box? |
| 19:47.17 | beandog | :) |
| 19:47.26 | beandog | Please enter your connection speed: |
| 19:47.37 | mgeary | i'm pretty sure you can't get the actual kb/sec from a current connection |
| 19:47.42 | mindjuju | what about with PHP? |
| 19:47.55 | mgeary | so maybe you'd be stuck with setting a time and doing a series of quick ajax calls and measuring the time from start to complete |
| 19:47.58 | _psychic_ | mgeary: you might be able to guess though |
| 19:48.05 | _psychic_ | exactly |
| 19:54.57 | mindjuju | why would i get a max execution time error on a file upload in php when the max execution time didn't elapse? |
| 19:55.09 | mgeary | mindjuju: because you're on IIS? |
| 19:55.14 | mindjuju | as in, i have it set for far longer than the script actually runs |
| 19:55.14 | beandog | mindjuju, web server gnomes |
| 19:55.22 | _psychic_ | there are different max execution times |
| 19:55.22 | mindjuju | not IIS |
| 19:55.27 | mindjuju | it's apache |
| 19:55.31 | _psychic_ | one is for the whole script |
| 19:55.35 | _psychic_ | the other is for input time |
| 19:56.34 | _psychic_ | check max_input_time |
| 19:58.16 | mindjuju | k |
| 19:59.56 | mindjuju | ~_psychic_++ |
| 19:59.59 | mindjuju | thx _psychic_ |
| 20:00.03 | mindjuju | that was it |
| 20:00.08 | _psychic_ | I hate that setting. |
| 20:00.23 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: Glad to hear it works for you. |
| 20:27.26 | mindjuju | so what do you guys think of this script? |
| 20:27.26 | mindjuju | http://www.emanueleferonato.com/2006/05/31/determine-connection-speed-with-php/ |
| 20:28.26 | mgeary | seems like flush() doesn't work as expected on all browsers |
| 20:28.42 | mgeary | heh |
| 20:28.47 | mgeary | and their demo page is a 404 |
| 20:32.08 | SunSparc | I can't stand those "ContentLink" pop-ups |
| 20:32.45 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: adblock plus |
| 20:32.59 | SunSparc | FF plugin? |
| 20:33.12 | thebigdog | yes |
| 20:33.44 | SunSparc | Trying it out. |
| 20:34.48 | DexterTheDragon | I'm sure safari has an ad blocking plugin |
| 20:35.25 | DexterTheDragon | http://safariadblock.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:35.30 | DexterTheDragon | it would seem |
| 20:35.34 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:45.41 | timinator | what bugs me the most about Safari, is that it doesn't render float divs w/ regular divs properly |
| 20:45.43 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i dont think that script would be very accurate at all |
| 20:45.45 | timinator | for example |
| 20:46.06 | timinator | if you have Div 1 float: left; width: 200px; |
| 20:46.30 | timinator | then you have Div 2 margin: 10px 10px 10px 210px; |
| 20:47.01 | thebigdog | if you really want to know your speed get 2 ixia devices and have at it |
| 20:47.01 | timinator | it will wrap the Div 2 content around Div 1 as if Div 1 is an image or something |
| 20:47.10 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 20:47.10 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
| 20:47.13 | timinator | as opposed to creating a 2 column layout |
| 20:47.18 | timinator | ~flip back |
| 20:47.19 | jbot | ACTION gives back the .|.. ..|. |
| 20:47.52 | thebigdog | mindjuju, get you 2 of these http://www.ixiacom.com/products/chassis/display?skey=ch_optixia_x16 |
| 20:48.03 | thebigdog | those things are awesome |
| 20:48.21 | thebigdog | i wish i had one to blow timinator away |
| 20:48.34 | thebigdog | ~goodbye timinator |
| 20:48.54 | timinator | ~pimpslap thebigdog |
| 20:48.55 | jbot | timinator pimpslaps thebigdog. ouch! |
| 20:49.03 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:49.07 | thebigdog | ~melvin timinator |
| 20:49.08 | jbot | ACTION pulls timinator underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 20:50.05 | timinator | why's it gotta be this way thebigdog?!?! |
| 20:50.13 | timinator | ~kick thebigdog |
| 20:50.20 | jbot | ACTION kicks thebigdog |
| 20:50.35 | thebigdog | ~fart timinator |
| 20:50.40 | jbot | ACTION farts in timinator's general direction |
| 20:50.40 | timinator | doggy, go to your corner |
| 20:50.51 | thebigdog | ~bite timinator |
| 20:50.53 | jbot | ACTION takes a big bite out of timinator's jugular vein |
| 20:50.54 | timinator | woof |
| 20:50.58 | thebigdog | ty |
| 20:51.11 | timinator | ouch |
| 20:51.20 | timinator | ~macattack thebigdog |
| 20:51.21 | jbot | ACTION uses flame, duct pipe and a cinch belt to launch a beer keg at thebigdog! |
| 20:51.42 | timinator | ~mondays thebigdog |
| 20:51.43 | jbot | ACTION says looks like thebigdog 's got a case of the Mondays |
| 20:51.52 | timinator | hehe |
| 20:53.31 | timinator | and a lart for good measure |
| 20:53.35 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 20:53.35 | jbot | changes thebigdog's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 21:05.28 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/rSbrFl77.html |
| 21:05.28 | wps | I am calling this JS function |
| 21:05.28 | orsonj | grep thebigdog .irc/logs/uphpu* > /home/thebigdog/resume |
| 21:05.28 | wps | when the user tabs off of a form field |
| 21:05.28 | wps | it uses an AJAX library called SACK |
| 21:05.29 | wps | it always returns false |
| 21:05.29 | wps | even though lines 16 should return true |
| 21:05.29 | thebigdog | grep thebigdog .irc/logs/uphpu* > /home/timinator/resume |
| 21:05.29 | thebigdog | he does that a lot |
| 21:05.29 | thebigdog | i dont use a sack |
| 21:05.29 | thebigdog | man wps your variables are confusing |
| 21:05.30 | wps | what do you mean? |
| 21:05.30 | thebigdog | j/k |
| 21:05.30 | thebigdog | wps what should the code be doing? |
| 21:05.30 | wps | The function uses the AJAX library to compare the value in the form field against one in the database. If the values are the same it should return true. If the values are difference it should return false. |
| 21:08.37 | thebigdog | wps do you have an onchange event in the form? |
| 21:08.45 | wps | yes |
| 21:08.59 | wps | onblur='validate_rangechars_unique(this,0,40,"Omniture","opm","partner_profile","pp_name",1); |
| 21:09.08 | thebigdog | i would use and onchange |
| 21:09.22 | thebigdog | so then it does it when the form field has been changed |
| 21:09.35 | wps | is that supported across all the browsers? |
| 21:09.52 | thebigdog | it better be |
| 21:10.33 | thebigdog | then you are not querying for items that are not changing |
| 21:10.35 | wps | what's the difference between the two? |
| 21:10.42 | wps | ah |
| 21:11.11 | thebigdog | onblur - Script to be run when the element loses focus |
| 21:11.19 | thebigdog | onchange - Script to be run when the element changes |
| 21:11.41 | thebigdog | ~lart timinator |
| 21:11.41 | jbot | tries to shut timinator up |
| 21:11.52 | thebigdog | jbot, that is impossible |
| 21:11.53 | jbot | thebigdog: what are you talking about? |
| 21:11.59 | timinator | not possible jbot |
| 21:12.00 | thebigdog | jbot, timinator |
| 21:12.00 | jbot | hmm... timinator is the person formally known as timothy_, or owns his own business, or likes to wear a stetson and chaps with nothing else on!. Mr. Smarty Pants, or who doesn't use Smarty |
| 21:12.01 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:12.17 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:12.23 | timinator | thebigdog: wanna play cowboy?!?! |
| 21:12.26 | timinator | LMAO |
| 21:12.39 | thebigdog | oh.........no....help.....no......help jbot |
| 21:12.39 | wps | onchange isn't going to work for form fields that are empty though |
| 21:12.43 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 21:12.43 | jbot | executes killall -TERM thebigdog |
| 21:12.48 | wps | (when the validation rule is that they can't be empty) |
| 21:12.52 | thebigdog | wps, if they type something in it will |
| 21:13.05 | wps | rightâ¦Â but I also need to test that it isn't left blank |
| 21:13.11 | beandog | thank goodness its friday |
| 21:13.14 | thebigdog | onsubmit for that wps |
| 21:17.15 | wps | thanks |
| 21:18.56 | thebigdog | ~tunafart timinator |
| 21:18.57 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to timinator, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 21:19.11 | timinator | yuck |
| 21:19.16 | timinator | ~ralf |
| 21:19.25 | timinator | ~puke |
| 21:19.26 | jbot | HOOF BLEEEECH! *flush* |
| 21:19.28 | thebigdog | i think that is the best one that mindjuju created |
| 21:19.31 | wps | in PHP, if your script calls a function, it pauses there in the script until the function is done running, right? |
| 21:20.20 | thebigdog | until it receives control again |
| 21:20.30 | wps | what about javascript? |
| 21:20.51 | thebigdog | it depends...cause js has events |
| 21:21.16 | thebigdog | so events and actions can trigger stuff to happen |
| 21:21.28 | timinator | ~poo thebigdog |
| 21:21.28 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at thebigdog |
| 21:21.46 | thebigdog | ~upchuck timinator |
| 21:21.47 | jbot | ACTION spews chunks on timinator after hearing what thebigdog listens to. |
| 21:22.00 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:22.00 | timinator | I would too jbot |
| 21:22.07 | wps | in this: http://rafb.net/p/VHlUlQ76.html |
| 21:22.08 | timinator | :) |
| 21:22.14 | wps | why does b alert before a? |
| 21:22.16 | thebigdog | when you listen to erasure it is hard timinator |
| 21:22.29 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:22.39 | timinator | I listen to techno mostly |
| 21:23.15 | timinator | Matt Darey, Paul Van Dyke, RaveTrax are my favs |
| 21:23.21 | SunSparc | wps: It looks like b is called before a. |
| 21:23.31 | thebigdog | wps, probably because onCompletion has not triggered |
| 21:24.11 | thebigdog | that is an event i assume |
| 21:24.17 | wps | but shouldn't the script not get to line 17 until the function being called on line 15 is done? |
| 21:24.26 | timinator | and the Trance Tuesday Podcast |
| 21:24.28 | SunSparc | alert a is in a sub-function whereas alert b is not |
| 21:24.40 | wps | (line 15 function executes line 14 function) |
| 21:24.44 | thebigdog | well line 14 is the event that is set with the function that would call a |
| 21:25.21 | timinator | ~smack thebigdog |
| 21:25.22 | jbot | ACTION smacks thebigdog upside the head. |
| 21:25.25 | thebigdog | i dont think that calling runAJAX causes the onCompletion event to trigger |
| 21:25.34 | thebigdog | ~drop timinator |
| 21:25.36 | wps | it's supposed to |
| 21:25.58 | wps | wellâ¦Â at least that how I understood |
| 21:26.03 | timinator | ~montypython thebigdog |
| 21:26.11 | thebigdog | youll have ot check the docs and see |
| 21:26.43 | timinator | anyone else listening to RaveTrax??? |
| 21:31.40 | SunSparc | Blame it on Flash |
| 21:33.15 | thebigdog | on vista pandora air crashes my monitor driver |
| 21:33.30 | _psychic_ | vista? |
| 21:33.32 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 21:33.47 | SunSparc | Something runs on vista? |
| 21:33.58 | thebigdog | unfortunately |
| 21:34.31 | thebigdog | i never knew i could crash a monitor driver over and over in vista |
| 21:34.57 | wps | is this valid syntax in javascript? |
| 21:34.59 | SunSparc | Well, Microsoft said they put a bunch of new features into their latest OS |
| 21:35.22 | wps | alert(a == false ? 'false' : 'true'); |
| 21:35.28 | wps | can you do that? |
| 21:35.50 | wps | I hate javascript |
| 21:35.57 | _psychic_ | i love it |
| 21:36.02 | _psychic_ | yeah that's good I think |
| 21:36.29 | wps | what about this? |
| 21:36.37 | wps | alert(function_name() == false ? 'false' : 'true'); |
| 21:37.09 | _psychic_ | same thing, sorta |
| 21:37.19 | wps | sweet |
| 21:37.21 | wps | that does work |
| 21:45.03 | wps | what the crap? |
| 21:45.20 | wps | javascript code that is within functions is executed even if the function isn't called??? |
| 21:46.05 | SunSparc | No |
| 21:46.16 | wps | uhâ¦Â it is here |
| 21:46.17 | wps | :) |
| 21:46.29 | SunSparc | Luckky! |
| 21:46.36 | SunSparc | ~lucky |
| 21:46.36 | jbot | lucky is, like, a man who wins CEs. |
| 21:46.36 | wps | I'd rather it not |
| 21:46.57 | wps | okayâ¦Â maybe it's not |
| 21:47.52 | wps | okayâ¦Â I see why it was happening |
| 21:48.12 | wps | javascript sucks |
| 21:48.27 | wps | I hate how the vars don't have $ in front of them |
| 21:48.27 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 21:48.31 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 21:48.31 | mgeary | hahah |
| 21:48.34 | SunSparc | Come on wps, tell us how you really feel? |
| 21:48.36 | mgeary | check this out-- |
| 21:48.37 | wps | how to you tell a string from a function from a variable? |
| 21:48.48 | mgeary | just got this from a support rep: |
| 21:48.48 | _psychic_ | how do you do that in PHP? |
| 21:48.50 | mgeary | "he has a Google paper click" |
| 21:48.51 | wps | it's a mess |
| 21:49.09 | _psychic_ | that's actually the cool thing about JS |
| 21:49.21 | _psychic_ | functions/variables have fuzzy lines |
| 21:49.34 | SunSparc | mgeary: What is a Google paper click? |
| 21:49.57 | DexterTheDragon | strings have quotes around them, functions have () after and a variable is all by itself |
| 21:50.01 | mgeary | SunSparc: say it out loud |
| 21:50.19 | orsonj | heh |
| 21:50.30 | SunSparc | So he just has no idea what he is talking about? |
| 21:50.40 | mgeary | yep |
| 21:50.44 | SunSparc | Maybe it was a typo |
| 21:50.49 | mgeary | no |
| 21:50.56 | SunSparc | He just needs a y and a space |
| 21:50.59 | wps | yeah for new phones in three days |
| 21:51.04 | mgeary | it's just info being relayed by someone who doesn't understand what she's talking about |
| 21:51.10 | mgeary | which is fine |
| 21:51.13 | mgeary | just thought it was funny |
| 21:51.14 | SunSparc | Ah |
| 21:51.14 | SunSparc | Funy |
| 21:51.37 | wps | s/yeah/yea/ |
| 21:54.12 | tierra | That's a funny way to spell yay. |
| 21:54.52 | SunSparc | yea, and behold, that ist a funny way to spell that word. |
| 21:54.54 | tierra | especially for the context in which you used it |
| 21:55.43 | SunSparc | wps was quoting scripture, or prophesying. |
| 21:56.03 | tierra | 1 Yea, and 10 Nays for spelling it "yea" |
| 21:59.18 | tierra | for new phones will do what in three days? Yea, for new phones in three days will be blessed upon the family of wps. |
| 21:59.43 | wps | yea, verily |
| 21:59.57 | beandog | man Ive had my phone for like 3 years now |
| 21:59.57 | SunSparc | And there shall be much rejoicing. |
| 22:00.16 | wps | WWDC == new iPhones == :) |
| 22:00.25 | beandog | and the villagers rejoiced |
| 22:00.32 | tierra | with 3G? |
| 22:00.39 | wps | yup |
| 22:01.16 | tierra | nice... did they ever work out whatever issues it was they were having with flash to get some youtube going on them? |
| 22:01.37 | tierra | 3G isn't very useful if you can't stream video anyway |
| 22:01.42 | wps | they have always had youtubeâ¦Â but they still do not play flash in the browser |
| 22:01.49 | tierra | ah |
| 22:01.57 | wps | but I do not believe that that is because they can't |
| 22:02.01 | wps | that is because they choose not too |
| 22:02.22 | SunSparc | It is because Flash is so cpu heavy. |
| 22:02.26 | wps | but that is with the current iPhone |
| 22:02.29 | unum | there are so many xhtml 1.1 tags I never knew existed |
| 22:02.31 | unum | I wonder how many of them have the exact same affect |
| 22:02.33 | SunSparc | They are looking for other solutions |
| 22:02.35 | wps | who know what will happen with version 2 of the OS that comes out in three days |
| 22:03.08 | tierra | you know Android is coming along nicely, I wouldn't doubt if they replaced iPhones pretty quickly in another year or two |
| 22:03.37 | tierra | Google is throwing a ton of money into it |
| 22:03.58 | wps | it will definitely be interesting to see what becomes of it |
| 22:04.16 | wps | a lot of money has been thrown at iPod killers though over the past eight years and all of them have failed though |
| 22:04.31 | wps | no one can seem to "get" interfaces and "the experience" that Apple can |
| 22:07.43 | SunSparc | That is because Apple "gets" UI. |
| 22:07.48 | SunSparc | U and I. |
| 22:07.51 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:08.06 | wps | ~rimshot SunSparc |
| 22:08.08 | tierra | no, that's cuz they care more about making their software powerful, configurable, skinnable, and they aren't targeting mass consumers, and thus spend less time on UI |
| 22:08.46 | SunSparc | wps: thanks |
| 22:09.03 | wps | I think the biggest reason is that they aren't afraid to affend peopleâ¦Â they don't homogenize their products until they are stupid |
| 22:09.15 | wps | they make a product one way and say take it or leave it |
| 22:09.44 | wps | they don't bloat and generalize it with 1,000 buttons and features to the point where it doesn't work |
| 22:10.04 | wps | they pick one or two things and make them workâ¦Â well |
| 22:10.17 | _psychic_ | where's the python people |
| 22:10.21 | wps | less is always more |
| 22:10.21 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: yt? |
| 22:10.23 | wps | #python |
| 22:11.03 | _psychic_ | wps: and the PHP help is in #php , right? |
| 22:11.16 | wps | noâ¦Â those guys don't know jack |
| 22:11.20 | wps | #uphpu of course |
| 22:11.25 | wps | :) |
| 22:11.34 | wps | but #party is the best channel |
| 22:12.03 | timinator | *everyone signs on to #party* |
| 22:12.45 | tierra | which is also why you wont see awesome stuff like this on an iPhone: http://scan.jsharkey.org/ |
| 22:13.11 | tierra | maybe I should rephrase when I spend too much time looking through irc logs for links |
| 22:13.43 | wps | I bet you'll see that on an iPhone |
| 22:13.52 | wps | after Monday you'll be able to install third-party apps |
| 22:14.47 | tierra | or this: http://www.cookingcapsules.com/ |
| 22:16.34 | tierra | more here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/13/fifty-android-developers-get-25000-each-the-list/ |
| 22:18.55 | tierra | "Locale - Locale is one of 7 Android applications submitted by MIT students. It enables you to set up location- and time-based profiles for your phone, so you can make it shut up when you.re at work, forward calls to your landline when you.re at home." |
| 22:19.10 | wps | awesome! |
| 22:19.24 | wps | that is one of the biggest things I have dreamed of for a phone |
| 22:19.37 | tierra | see, this is stuff that could have been on the iPhone, but Apple wants things their way... |
| 22:19.58 | beandog | silly apple and their walled gardens. |
| 22:21.19 | wps | who says that it (a) won't be part of 2.0, (b) won't be added later, or (c) won't be able to be added as a third-party app? |
| 22:23.00 | tierra | and by 3rd party apps, what you mean is 3rd party apps that have purchased a license from Apple, and who's application was accepted? |
| 22:23.07 | tierra | heh |
| 22:23.19 | beandog | tierra, heh :) |
| 22:23.53 | tierra | Android phones are just now starting to show up, and there's more development happening on them than the iPhone |
| 22:24.29 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: yes |
| 22:24.37 | _psychic_ | nm I think I got it |
| 22:24.44 | _psychic_ | giving django a run |
| 22:24.48 | beandog | tierra, havent you learned? only Apple can make cool apps. |
| 22:25.30 | dataw0lf | Apple made a huge mistake not opening up the iphone |
| 22:25.42 | beandog | hey, its a slow afternoon ... nothing else to do but troll. |
| 22:26.01 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: We'll see how android goes |
| 22:26.09 | dataw0lf | at least from a technical perspective; they have enough fanbois that they can sell it. |
| 22:26.14 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: indeed we will. |
| 22:26.40 | _psychic_ | The stuff they showed at IO was pretty dang cool. |
| 22:26.41 | beandog | when does it come out? |
| 22:26.58 | beandog | and does it work on any provider? |
| 22:27.15 | _psychic_ | it's an open platform for devices |
| 22:27.19 | _psychic_ | so it sounds like it could |
| 22:28.02 | dataw0lf | yes it'll be able to work with an provider |
| 22:28.44 | dataw0lf | beandog: sometime in the fall, I think |
| 22:28.51 | beandog | cool |
| 22:31.15 | beandog | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/thief-steals-eye-fi-equipped-camera-proceeds-to-give-himself-aw/ |
| 22:34.24 | timinator | gotta run guys.... late |
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| 23:56.25 | mgeary | hey, is anyone still around? |