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| 02:15.28 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 02:23.21 | beandog | nope |
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| 02:55.21 | beandog | mindjuju: what you doing |
| 02:55.27 | beandog | or did you take off |
| 02:59.39 | mindjuju | i'm here |
| 02:59.54 | mindjuju | was going to ask a question about wildcard SSL, but i figured it out |
| 03:00.01 | mindjuju | what are you up to? |
| 03:13.49 | beandog | working on my portage / postgresql thing |
| 03:14.40 | beandog | I'm about to go the park |
| 03:20.26 | wps | sorry I kicked you earlier, beandog |
| 03:20.28 | wps | it was an accident |
| 03:20.39 | wps | my tab-complete grabbed the wrong nick |
| 03:28.11 | beandog | no worries |
| 03:28.13 | beandog | alright, Im outta |
| 03:28.15 | beandog | lates guys |
| 03:28.26 | beandog | wps: I was busy at work anyway, didntn otice for quite a while |
| 03:29.48 | DexterTheDragon | screwed up his logging tho |
| 03:30.16 | wps | ~wedgie wps |
| 03:30.17 | jbot | ACTION hangs wps from the flag pole by his underwear |
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| 05:05.33 | beandog | man my whole body hurts |
| 05:06.50 | wps | what's you do at the park? |
| 05:07.51 | beandog | walking then skating |
| 05:08.36 | beandog | Im just out of shape |
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| 14:08.47 | mindjuju | ~apb dexterthedragon |
| 14:08.48 | jbot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to find dexterthedragon |
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| 15:32.29 | SunSparc | All I want for Christmas is a Flux Capacitor http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/9fc6/?cpg=73T |
| 15:33.02 | mindjuju | there are a couple of places online you can get them for $100 |
| 15:33.12 | mindjuju | or if you have some time, there are a couple that have blueprints |
| 15:33.39 | mindjuju | it's just a powerbox that has been gut, plexiglass in the middle and then some tracing lights |
| 15:34.54 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:35.01 | SunSparc | Stop it. This is the real thing. |
| 15:36.49 | mindjuju | SunSparc, now therje are REALLY REAL blue prints for time machine |
| 15:37.32 | mindjuju | here is the rough blue print |
| 15:37.33 | mindjuju | http://www.futurehorizons.net/time2.htm |
| 15:37.36 | SunSparc | The one that Napoleon used? |
| 15:37.45 | mindjuju | here is what it looks like built |
| 15:37.46 | mindjuju | http://www.blog.speculist.com/archives/Napolean%20Dynomyte%20Time%20Machine.jpg |
| 15:37.47 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 15:37.56 | mindjuju | let me know when you build it, i want to be there to see it operate |
| 15:38.21 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:38.29 | mindjuju | here it is in action - http://www.funtalking.com/images/wallpaper_timemachine.jpg |
| 15:38.40 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:39.04 | mindjuju | course though, that image is flawed, because it doesn't have the "time crystals" in the little receptical on top |
| 15:39.24 | SunSparc | Yeah, he is such a faker |
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| 16:57.27 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju |
| 16:57.28 | jbot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps mindjuju |
| 16:58.46 | mindjuju | DexterTheDragon - had a couple of questions about cake, can you PM when you have amoment to talk |
| 17:17.45 | wps | http://goosh.org/ |
| 17:17.53 | wps | I absolutely love it |
| 17:19.07 | wps | it's even an RSS reader! |
| 17:19.12 | wps | type "read uphpu.org" |
| 17:19.22 | SunSparc | Hey, that is cool! |
| 17:20.58 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: i might be able to help |
| 17:22.46 | SunSparc | Cake is tasty |
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| 17:33.05 | macnewbold | g'day all |
| 17:36.14 | beandog_ | hola |
| 17:39.57 | mindjuju | heya _psychic_ , i found the answer |
| 17:39.58 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 17:40.17 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: kewl |
| 17:40.50 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: i'd be interested to know your thoughts on cake once you get into things |
| 17:41.25 | SunSparc | mindjuju: _psychic_ showed me this today -> http://www.pandora.com/desktop |
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| 17:44.05 | mindjuju | SunSparc, that's scary |
| 17:44.16 | mindjuju | they can already read my mind, now they'll have access to my files |
| 17:44.27 | SunSparc | Now she can read your mind without even a browser! |
| 17:44.33 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:44.43 | SunSparc | You cannot escape her goodness. |
| 17:45.26 | mindjuju | well, actually, been pretty satisified with synic 's ravetrax.com |
| 17:45.45 | mindjuju | nearly almost mindreading with the occasional bad track |
| 17:45.55 | PoeticIntensity | bah.... they've got "pandora for windows" and "pandora for mac"...... |
| 17:46.07 | PoeticIntensity | don't these people know that Linux will soon rule the world? |
| 17:46.14 | synic | srs. |
| 17:46.18 | beandog | whats pandora? |
| 17:46.30 | mindjuju | beandog - stay away from pandora |
| 17:46.30 | thebigdog | awesome |
| 17:46.30 | PoeticIntensity | a web-radio app that reads minds. |
| 17:46.38 | mindjuju | it's like the borg |
| 17:46.39 | SunSparc | what?!!? |
| 17:46.45 | beandog | oh |
| 17:46.48 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a good 10 people here addicted to it at work. |
| 17:46.48 | mindjuju | you'll be assimilated |
| 17:46.51 | beandog | Ive never find any online radio that I like. |
| 17:46.51 | SunSparc | beandog: how long have you been here and not heard about Pandora? |
| 17:46.59 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt. |
| 17:47.04 | beandog | XM is all I likes. |
| 17:47.12 | PoeticIntensity | this "web radio" is kinda spooky, it's so good. |
| 17:47.49 | mindjuju | beandog - they play music they think you'll like, and they tend to be fairly accurate, except for dataw0lf who felt they missed him all together |
| 17:47.50 | SunSparc | beandog, Pandora, she reads your mind and plays the music you want to here. It is crazy cool. |
| 17:47.51 | beandog | I do like some live365 channels though |
| 17:48.15 | beandog | The big problem with things like that though is they are either always WAY off on my recommendations or dont have the library of stuff I listen to anyway. |
| 17:48.20 | mindjuju | pandora is immune from aluminum foil hats and garlic wreaths |
| 17:48.44 | beandog | how do you find a library that has a mix between new age, 80s, alternative, hard rock and christian |
| 17:48.47 | mindjuju | don't know what else to use to block my mental thoughts from being pulled out of my brain and sent via TCP/IP to their server |
| 17:48.50 | beandog | oh, and ambient. |
| 17:49.03 | PoeticIntensity | beandog.... |
| 17:49.07 | thebigdog | beandog, they have th channels for it all |
| 17:49.11 | PoeticIntensity | you tell it what you like by artist or genre..... |
| 17:49.18 | PoeticIntensity | the more you use it, the better it gets... |
| 17:49.26 | thebigdog | it is really good |
| 17:49.27 | PoeticIntensity | I've found all sorts of artists I never would have heard through pandora... |
| 17:49.38 | thebigdog | the problem is that you get too many channels |
| 17:49.42 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt... |
| 17:49.45 | beandog | I already have way too many albums I plan on buying anyway |
| 17:49.46 | PoeticIntensity | it's addictive. |
| 17:50.22 | PoeticIntensity | www.pandora.com |
| 17:50.46 | PoeticIntensity | isn't it based off the genome project? |
| 17:50.52 | PoeticIntensity | hmm..... I wonder if that's OSS. |
| 17:51.21 | SunSparc | jbot, Pandora is addictive |
| 17:51.21 | jbot | ...but pandora is already something else... |
| 17:51.29 | mindjuju | ~pandora |
| 17:51.30 | jbot | pandora is probably a place that has non-US packages, Don't pull non-us stuff from pandora, use a mirror |
| 17:51.40 | SunSparc | jbot, Pandora is also highly addictive |
| 17:51.41 | jbot | okay, SunSparc |
| 17:52.21 | PoeticIntensity | WOOT!!! |
| 17:52.25 | PoeticIntensity | Pandora uses Postgres! |
| 17:52.44 | PoeticIntensity | "We've built a complex cluster around PostgreSQL for scalability and high availability." |
| 17:52.45 | thebigdog | yes they have a killer pgsql cluster |
| 17:52.52 | PoeticIntensity | (from the job listing) |
| 17:52.54 | PoeticIntensity | wow. |
| 17:53.02 | SunSparc | Nic |
| 17:53.03 | thebigdog | i have looked at working for them |
| 17:53.04 | SunSparc | e |
| 17:53.04 | PoeticIntensity | I thought pgsql wasn't suited for clustering... |
| 17:53.10 | PoeticIntensity | ?? |
| 17:53.10 | thebigdog | that would be the ultimate job for me |
| 17:53.17 | thebigdog | oh it is |
| 17:53.18 | PoeticIntensity | oh yeah... |
| 17:54.07 | mindjuju | cool, google app engine is open to everybody now |
| 17:54.39 | mindjuju | http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2008/05/announcing-open-signups-expected.html |
| 17:55.33 | wps | I still think that Goosh is the coolest news on the web for a long while |
| 17:58.49 | wps | I hate it when you get a voice message and your phone never rang |
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| 18:02.22 | beandog | wps, seriously, what causes that |
| 18:02.40 | thebigdog | wps, check out goose |
| 18:02.41 | SunSparc | bad or no signal temporarily |
| 18:02.55 | mindjuju | on verizon, you can send a voicemail without calling somebody |
| 18:03.10 | thebigdog | i hate verizon |
| 18:03.13 | mindjuju | haven't done it, but i know its an option on the menu when youcall to check messages |
| 18:03.15 | SunSparc | You can on AT&T also |
| 18:03.57 | mindjuju | thebigdog - don't really have a call on telco |
| 18:04.16 | thebigdog | you dont have a cell mindjuju ? |
| 18:04.52 | mindjuju | i do have a cell |
| 18:04.53 | mindjuju | verizon |
| 18:05.03 | mindjuju | but don't have a call on who i use |
| 18:06.22 | beandog | ~lart idiots who store passwords in plaintext in a db |
| 18:06.22 | jbot | blasts idiots who store passwords in plaintext in a db to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 18:06.48 | beandog | that + sql injection = pwned |
| 18:06.50 | PoeticIntensity | I store passwords in plain text all the time. |
| 18:07.24 | SunSparc | If a hacker gets into a DB then plaintext passwords are the least of your concern |
| 18:07.43 | thebigdog | no but sql injection can happen without access to your db |
| 18:07.54 | beandog | SunSparc, the scenario Im imagining is they get the passwords from the users table (which is pretty easy to figure out) |
| 18:07.58 | beandog | So they just use that to login to the admin |
| 18:08.06 | beandog | and scrape all the personal / CC info |
| 18:08.30 | thebigdog | however, you should not be saving cc info imho |
| 18:08.33 | SunSparc | beandog: Ah, yes, the mysql.user table should not have plaintext passwords, I agree. |
| 18:08.42 | beandog | SunSparc, Im not talking about mysql.user table |
| 18:08.52 | beandog | thebigdog, agreed, that is another epifail. |
| 18:09.03 | beandog | which I can't convince anyone to stop doing. |
| 18:09.31 | thebigdog | ok php floatval sucks as a function |
| 18:09.58 | josephscott | for subversion users on the mac, the versions app is finally available (beta, etc) http://versionsapp.com/ |
| 18:10.47 | beandog | I just really hate reactive security |
| 18:10.57 | beandog | Oh, someone got in our site? We better fix that. |
| 18:10.59 | beandog | o.O |
| 18:10.59 | thebigdog | or you can use eclipse |
| 18:11.25 | thebigdog | they spend too much time on the site and not on the svn client |
| 18:11.28 | SunSparc | subclipse++ |
| 18:11.43 | beandog | except Cool Whip |
| 18:12.10 | thebigdog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lich59xsjik |
| 18:18.46 | Utah_Dave | How do I figure out what user apache is running as? |
| 18:21.30 | mindjuju | what OS utah_dave ? |
| 18:21.57 | Utah_Dave | Fedora. |
| 18:22.03 | Utah_Dave | Actually I think I found it |
| 18:22.05 | Utah_Dave | httpd |
| 18:22.12 | mindjuju | herlo is fedora expert |
| 18:22.20 | mindjuju | if that isn't it, you may want to ask him |
| 18:22.45 | mindjuju | about obama though, i'm not a fan of his, but surely that is newsworthy, no? |
| 18:23.27 | wps | wellâ¦Â according to Hillary, he doesn't have it yet |
| 18:23.54 | mindjuju | except that hillary doesn't have anything to do with. he's got enough super delegates to pull the nomination,n no? |
| 18:24.05 | wps | currently |
| 18:24.12 | wps | but her camp says that they still have time to change their mind |
| 18:25.37 | mindjuju | hmmm... i guess that could be the case clear to novemember |
| 18:25.46 | jsmith | "After all, anything can happen. Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June." |
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| 18:28.06 | wps | ~gibba |
| 18:35.05 | gibba | damnit ... forgot my identify pw on this server |
| 18:36.33 | SunSparc | jbot, help gibba remember the forgotten password |
| 18:43.07 | Utah_Dave | I'm doing an upgrade on a client's SugarCRM installation. |
| 18:43.29 | Utah_Dave | The upgrade script now says, "Upgrade may take some time" |
| 18:43.56 | Utah_Dave | With a progress bar that just spins. It doesn't actually indicate progress |
| 18:44.16 | mindjuju | how long has it been running? |
| 18:44.21 | SunSparc | Utah_Dave: Break time. Launch CoD4. |
| 18:44.29 | Utah_Dave | Ooh, great idea, SunSparc |
| 18:44.36 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:44.41 | Utah_Dave | only about 5 minutes now |
| 18:45.04 | SunSparc | I assume it is a PHP script? |
| 18:45.14 | SunSparc | Do you have debugging enabled? |
| 18:45.42 | Utah_Dave | no, I don't |
| 18:46.14 | Utah_Dave | am I going to be withing I did have it enabled? |
| 18:46.15 | mgeary | ~xdebug++ |
| 18:46.16 | SunSparc | Might help, if you can stop it and restart it. |
| 18:46.35 | SunSparc | Can you tell if the process it is using is actually doing anything? |
| 18:46.42 | Utah_Dave | no |
| 18:46.50 | Utah_Dave | but the README said it could take a long time |
| 18:47.08 | SunSparc | Hmm, well, back to my first idea. :) |
| 18:59.30 | Utah_Dave | well, the upgrade finished fine. |
| 18:59.34 | Utah_Dave | Phew! |
| 19:01.15 | SunSparc | Get any kills on CoD4? |
| 19:02.08 | beandog | mindjuju, front page on what paper? |
| 19:02.14 | beandog | ~obama++ |
| 19:02.59 | mindjuju | oh, was talking about yahoo.com |
| 19:03.12 | mindjuju | it had some thing about sarah jessica parker not wearing a good dress or something |
| 19:03.17 | mindjuju | but nothing about obama |
| 19:03.29 | mindjuju | prolly won't vote for the guy, but he should have gotten some headlines, methinks |
| 19:03.33 | SunSparc | Obama scares me |
| 19:03.40 | beandog | " Amazing anti-aging drugs expected soon" |
| 19:03.44 | beandog | thats one of the top 4 stories on there. |
| 19:03.54 | mindjuju | but, i checked the DNC and they say they hope friday everybody will be committed |
| 19:04.11 | beandog | "⢠Ed McMahon fighting foreclosure on his Beverly Hills home" |
| 19:04.14 | SunSparc | http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036 |
| 19:04.15 | beandog | this is why i dont read the news. |
| 19:04.40 | beandog | "People with 500 million dollars more than you having problems, why you should care." |
| 19:05.14 | SunSparc | Seriously |
| 19:05.55 | beandog | I just hate how even the news has turned into an entertainment venue. |
| 19:06.20 | SunSparc | It is all about being profitable. |
| 19:06.25 | SunSparc | Nothing more |
| 19:10.18 | mgeary | what about Obama scares you? |
| 19:10.48 | SunSparc | The stuff in that video link I just pasted |
| 19:11.29 | mgeary | heh |
| 19:11.37 | beandog | Obama is *way* less scary than hillary |
| 19:11.44 | SunSparc | The biggest thing that scares me about all of the candidates is that we have no idea of really knowing if they are being honest and if they will do what is best for the country. |
| 19:11.49 | mgeary | i'm immediately suspicious of any video piece that emphasizes Obama's middle name |
| 19:11.52 | SunSparc | beandog: That is true. |
| 19:13.37 | mgeary | oh good heavens |
| 19:13.55 | mgeary | "can we elect a man with not one, not two, but three islamic names?" ??! |
| 19:14.01 | mgeary | that's the best they've got? |
| 19:14.11 | mgeary | fearmongering |
| 19:14.23 | SunSparc | What else is new. :) |
| 19:15.07 | SunSparc | It doesn't really matter anyway. I am planning to write-in Mickey Mouse. One of these years he is going to win. |
| 19:17.15 | unum | in a survey he conducted more people supported obama when we used his middle name than when we didn't |
| 19:17.23 | mgeary | apparently i'm unique among Americans in that i don't hate/fear/whatever someone just because they're Muslim. There are waaay more Muslims than Christians. We're supposed to reject an entire religion because of the wacked-out actions of some radicals who don't even follow the teachings of their religion? Hitler was Christian, you know |
| 19:17.37 | unum | atleast on the first day of polling, and those are raw numbers, I don't know what the weighting did to it |
| 19:17.43 | beandog | Hitler was actually of Jewish heritage |
| 19:17.50 | mgeary | Hitler's father was Catholic |
| 19:18.18 | unum | I don't think there is any solid evidence of his "jewish heritage" |
| 19:18.44 | SunSparc | mgeary: His names and religion do not bother me. However, it does bother me that he does not seem to do what we consider patriotic, hand over heart, sporting american flags. |
| 19:19.09 | mgeary | you're buying in on the lapel pin thing? |
| 19:19.20 | mgeary | ugh |
| 19:19.51 | unum | and as for the hand over heart thing, I'm sure if you followed me around to enough events like that you'de catch me not doing it from time to time as well |
| 19:19.52 | mgeary | patriotism is shown in your actions for what's right for the country, which can include dissent with the government |
| 19:19.57 | unum | I get easily distracted |
| 19:20.30 | SunSparc | I guess it comes down to, how can we really know these candidates, when all we are feed is biased propaganda. |
| 19:20.39 | mgeary | well, that's certainly true |
| 19:20.43 | SunSparc | From those for them and from those against them. |
| 19:20.45 | unum | you can look at past voting history |
| 19:20.48 | unum | but that's about it |
| 19:20.55 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 19:21.12 | unum | I also tend to look at who has access as well |
| 19:21.19 | SunSparc | Frustratingly hard to really be informed, when informed does not include "crap". |
| 19:21.23 | unum | it's so nice |
| 19:21.29 | unum | only reason I got involved with a party |
| 19:22.02 | unum | of course even voting records on nuanced. and you have to understand the detials |
| 19:22.11 | unum | I really like my state rep |
| 19:22.17 | unum | and my old state senator |
| 19:22.23 | unum | and my county mayor... |
| 19:23.03 | beandog | I'll just be glad to get rid of Bush. |
| 19:23.14 | mgeary | heh. you're assuming he leaves office quietly |
| 19:24.56 | unum | doesn't do us much good if all his advisors stay :) |
| 19:36.32 | mindjuju | so if i have a port closed to connection, how can i tell if it is the firewall or Apache or openssl ? |
| 19:37.09 | beandog | well you could check the apache logs to see if its getting through the firewall |
| 19:37.28 | beandog | you could check the http headers to see if anything gets responsded |
| 19:38.58 | xilch|w | SunSparc: Your idea of patriotic is pretty shallow. Someone always sporting outward clues to their patriotism is more suspect in my opinion. |
| 19:39.30 | xilch|w | How many people with "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnets do you think actually send a GI anything? |
| 19:40.15 | SunSparc | xilch|w: Sorry, you missed the rest of the conversation. All I have to go on about these candidates is the bias I get from the media. |
| 19:40.18 | thebigdog | type conversion in php sucks |
| 19:40.26 | beandog | thebigdog, whats wrong |
| 19:40.27 | xilch|w | Who in here is wearing a flag on their shirt right now? |
| 19:40.41 | beandog | what does wearing a flag have to do with anything |
| 19:40.41 | thebigdog | type conversions on objects is a wreck |
| 19:41.02 | xilch|w | beandog: if you aren't, you aren't patriotic. |
| 19:41.08 | PoeticIntensity | xilch|w, who in here is currently running for President? |
| 19:41.13 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, lol |
| 19:41.32 | beandog | patriotic is such a subjective term anyway |
| 19:41.42 | beandog | I'm patriotic because I dont shop at Wal-Mart. |
| 19:41.50 | xilch|w | I am of the opinion that you shouldn't buy into any biased media crap. |
| 19:41.58 | PoeticIntensity | More than hating bush or hating Obama, I hate the bias in the media, thus making it quite difficult if not impossible altogether to get any credible data. |
| 19:42.21 | PoeticIntensity | xilch|w, then how do you get credible data? |
| 19:42.32 | PoeticIntensity | how do you make informed decisions? |
| 19:42.40 | beandog | magic 8 balls |
| 19:42.43 | PoeticIntensity | (not saying you can't, just curious on your sources) |
| 19:43.06 | xilch|w | It's pretty easy to see meaningless bias, like "He doesn't wear a pin" or "His name sounds like terrorism" |
| 19:43.22 | xilch|w | Just make the effort to dismiss things that have no substance. |
| 19:43.28 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not focusing on any one item or any one opinion... |
| 19:43.52 | PoeticIntensity | To me, respecting the flag (and everything the flag represents) is anything but meaningless.... |
| 19:44.00 | PoeticIntensity | I don't know if Obama does or doesn't do it all the time, but I'd like to know. |
| 19:44.08 | PoeticIntensity | if he has a problem with it, that would be pretty meaningful to me. |
| 19:44.16 | xilch|w | Standing at attention isn't respect? |
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| 19:44.34 | PoeticIntensity | not to the level I'd like to see in the president of the USA. |
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| 19:44.49 | jsmith | PoeticIntensity: All news is biased |
| 19:44.56 | PoeticIntensity | without a doubt. |
| 19:45.09 | PoeticIntensity | which is why I dislike it... |
| 19:45.12 | beandog | I get all my news from the Simpsons |
| 19:45.23 | xilch|w | ^5 beandog |
| 19:45.34 | PoeticIntensity | it's okay to have opinions.... but it seems like the facts are thrown out the window completely in favor of ratings. |
| 19:46.12 | PoeticIntensity | "spin" is just another piece of the framework of today's media. |
| 19:46.18 | PoeticIntensity | drives me nuts. |
| 19:46.38 | bwelker | jbot, politics is LAME |
| 19:46.42 | jbot | ...but politics is already something else... |
| 19:46.54 | jsmith | jbot_: politics is also LAME |
| 19:47.30 | bwelker | i'll call you in the morning |
| 19:47.39 | bwelker | ~politics |
| 19:47.40 | jbot | Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 19:47.43 | SunSparc | I really do not care who the individual is that gets the title of president, so long as they do what is best for the country and listen to what the people want. |
| 19:47.53 | bwelker | srsly |
| 19:47.57 | bwelker | bush = whacked |
| 19:48.24 | beandog | thebigdog, on objects? what are you doing |
| 19:48.59 | bwelker | $var = (int) $object is fun, try that |
| 19:50.44 | thebigdog | yeah floatval does not work properly with objects |
| 19:51.38 | beandog | what is floatval? |
| 19:51.55 | beandog | oh, interesting |
| 19:52.30 | beandog | so its like a nasty hack of intval |
| 19:52.35 | beandog | $var = '122.34343The'; |
| 19:52.37 | thebigdog | it is |
| 19:52.43 | thebigdog | and it is stupid with objects |
| 19:52.47 | beandog | thebigdog, try floatval((string)$object)/ |
| 19:52.48 | beandog | ? |
| 19:52.57 | thebigdog | yeah just stupid |
| 19:53.22 | thebigdog | that is what pisses me off |
| 19:53.34 | thebigdog | i should not have to do any casting prior to my call |
| 19:53.41 | beandog | thebigdog, amen, brotah |
| 19:53.43 | thebigdog | it should know how to do it |
| 19:54.00 | beandog | I just hate the object handling period. |
| 19:54.06 | thebigdog | yes |
| 19:54.10 | beandog | where variables are objects. |
| 19:54.12 | beandog | that's just wrong. |
| 19:54.12 | thebigdog | i hate php's implmentation |
| 19:54.38 | beandog | let's all revolt and use C# |
| 19:55.18 | thebigdog | and when you have numbers like this 1,003 it just sucks |
| 19:55.26 | beandog | ugh. |
| 19:55.51 | mgeary | why do you have numbers like 1,003? |
| 19:56.01 | thebigdog | cause they are strings |
| 19:56.04 | thebigdog | or objects |
| 19:56.15 | thebigdog | that is how the data comes in |
| 19:56.19 | mindjuju | so, i've got a question |
| 19:56.22 | mgeary | well there's yer problem ;) |
| 19:56.29 | mgeary | need to parse/validate your input better :P |
| 19:56.30 | beandog | mindjuju, take a hammer to upstream |
| 19:56.38 | beandog | I imagine he's parsing XML |
| 19:56.51 | mindjuju | in IIS, when putting an SSL cert in, i do so through the IIS admin interface |
| 19:56.51 | mgeary | well then whatever generated the XML needed to have done it |
| 19:57.03 | mgeary | water under the bridge, i realize |
| 19:57.05 | mindjuju | but with Apache over win2k3, there doesn't seem to be that procedure |
| 19:57.26 | mindjuju | instead, i config httpd.conf on where the key is and the cer, but that is it |
| 19:57.31 | mindjuju | is that all i'm suppose to do? |
| 19:57.31 | thebigdog | mgeart that is how it comes from the other system |
| 19:57.41 | mindjuju | should there be something i do with openssl? |
| 19:57.46 | beandog | mindjuju, there will be no discussion of IIS in here, thank you |
| 19:57.47 | thebigdog | but that is a valid number |
| 19:57.59 | mgeary | but not a machine-friendly number |
| 19:58.26 | mindjuju | but beandog |
| 19:58.31 | mindjuju | i'm trying to amend my ways! |
| 19:58.36 | mindjuju | i'm trying to do it the apache way! |
| 19:58.52 | mindjuju | else, i'll have to port my sites back over to IIS |
| 20:02.16 | thebigdog | the issue that i have it that if 1,003 is an object or a string it should be seen that way |
| 20:02.31 | thebigdog | in the sense of conversion ot a int or float |
| 20:03.11 | mgeary | well, i dunno. it'd have to be locale-sensitive |
| 20:03.21 | mgeary | because in europe, they write like this: |
| 20:03.26 | mgeary | 1.000.003,25 |
| 20:03.55 | mgeary | and locale-sensitive parsing of numbers scares me |
| 20:04.14 | mgeary | because it it wasn't all configured properly, you'd get screwed, and you'd have a hard time discovering where |
| 20:05.06 | mgeary | i'd rather use a static NumberParse class to convert a string to an integer/float |
| 20:08.30 | thebigdog | yeah locales suck i agree |
| 20:08.46 | thebigdog | i think that php should pull the locale info dynamically until you set it too |
| 20:09.11 | mgeary | agreed, but if the machine was misconfigured, and you didn't know it, see above screwed comment |
| 20:09.41 | thebigdog | true |
| 20:09.59 | thebigdog | however, with most installs you get the local correct in the installation process |
| 20:10.32 | thebigdog | which most people can do pretty easily |
| 20:10.43 | mgeary | true. most of us rely on that being correct with all of our date operations, so i guess having it work for numbers isn't too much to ask |
| 20:10.46 | thebigdog | granted if it happend after the installation then yes |
| 20:11.32 | timinator | gotta run for a bit.... |
| 20:12.12 | thebigdog | technically though this is really what makes me mad |
| 20:12.20 | thebigdog | so if you run localeconv() |
| 20:12.26 | thebigdog | that will give you the current setting |
| 20:12.31 | thebigdog | if you have not run setlocale |
| 20:12.43 | thebigdog | the decimal_point is usually set |
| 20:12.54 | thebigdog | however the thousands_sep is not |
| 20:13.08 | thebigdog | if they do the decimal_point they should do the thousands_sep |
| 20:13.09 | thebigdog | imho |
| 20:13.40 | thebigdog | or have it setup like the mon_* ones |
| 20:26.58 | thebigdog | urgh...windows and php sucks |
| 20:28.02 | _psychic_ | windows and anything (besides games) sucks |
| 20:28.04 | thebigdog | haha |
| 20:28.10 | thebigdog | _psychic_, no doubt |
| 20:28.19 | _psychic_ | my bootcamp partition is 90% games |
| 20:29.08 | thebigdog | i only use windows at home for gaming |
| 20:29.10 | thebigdog | and that is it |
| 20:29.20 | _psychic_ | XP, too. |
| 20:29.24 | thebigdog | at work i have to use windows...company policy |
| 20:29.33 | _psychic_ | yuck |
| 20:29.37 | thebigdog | i should change that |
| 20:29.45 | _psychic_ | any place that forces my setup on me sucks |
| 20:29.57 | _psychic_ | why don't they let people pick what they use best? |
| 20:29.58 | thebigdog | yeah and i use vista |
| 20:30.06 | _psychic_ | I'm scared of using vista |
| 20:30.12 | thebigdog | _psychic_, i actually had a bad experience with that |
| 20:30.13 | fungus | My company's policy is Windows too, but our IS dept has special dispensation from that policy. :) |
| 20:30.33 | _psychic_ | besides, there's *nothing* in vista that changes my windows (and by windows, I mean gaming) experience. |
| 20:30.34 | thebigdog | when i worked at comphealth they allowed the it department to pick |
| 20:30.51 | _psychic_ | "allowed" :/ |
| 20:30.51 | thebigdog | the problem was that everyone wanted to use redhat and had never used it before |
| 20:30.58 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 20:31.10 | thebigdog | so everyone had issues using redhat |
| 20:31.31 | thebigdog | i used gentoo so they would come and ask me questions....i finally told them that i dont use redhat and i dont know it |
| 20:31.50 | thebigdog | ls |
| 20:32.45 | jsmith-teaching | .. |
| 20:32.46 | jsmith-teaching | . |
| 20:33.37 | thebigdog | wow type conversions do not take locale into account |
| 20:34.24 | thebigdog | perhaps it is windows |
| 20:45.40 | thebigdog | fyi on that new job posting |
| 20:46.05 | thebigdog | nick is a pretty good guy i have spoken with him numerous times about positions and told him to post to uphpu |
| 20:46.43 | thebigdog | he just has issues spelling is all |
| 20:46.45 | thebigdog | ;) |
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| 21:06.34 | beandog | ~quiet |
| 21:06.34 | jbot | ACTION ok, ok, I will be quiet. When you start making sense, that is. |
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| 21:24.09 | wps | I'm so sick of the word "ninja" in programming job titles |
| 21:25.34 | SunSparc | Me too! I use "Jedi". |
| 21:25.44 | fungus | How about Samurai? |
| 21:26.05 | beandog | or butt nugget |
| 21:26.12 | SunSparc | Or 3l173 h@ck3r |
| 21:26.18 | beandog | lol |
| 21:26.35 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:26.39 | beandog | wps, cmon man, its marketspeak for geeks |
| 21:27.08 | beandog | black belt. |
| 21:27.28 | unum | I don't think I've heard the word ninja in the title |
| 21:27.44 | unum | maybe I should add jedi to my tittle |
| 21:28.16 | wps | how about engineer? |
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| 21:29.22 | orsonj | I just say "Hi, I'm Orson" and if they don't suddenly lose all ability to speak coherently, I move on. |
| 21:29.32 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 21:30.17 | orsonj | My waistline has been thanking me for this new exercise program. |
| 21:32.05 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 21:32.15 | mindjuju | ~karma fungus |
| 21:32.15 | jbot | fungus has karma of 2 |
| 21:32.25 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 21:40.30 | mgeary | ~fungus++ |
| 21:40.59 | beandog | ~karma beandog |
| 21:40.59 | jbot | beandog has neutral karma |
| 21:41.04 | beandog | I'm neutered! |
| 21:41.07 | mgeary | there's that slow leak again |
| 21:41.28 | SunSparc | ~karma SunSparc |
| 21:41.28 | jbot | sunsparc has karma of 8 |
| 21:41.36 | SunSparc | Whoa! |
| 21:42.14 | mindjuju | ~karma mindjuju |
| 21:42.14 | jbot | mindjuju has karma of 5 |
| 21:42.18 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:42.28 | mgeary | ~karma microsoft |
| 21:42.28 | jbot | microsoft has neutral karma |
| 21:42.32 | mgeary | bah |
| 21:42.44 | SunSparc | ~beandog++ |
| 21:42.47 | beandog | my poor kids. |
| 21:47.54 | SunSparc | ~karma beandog |
| 21:47.54 | jbot | beandog has karma of 1 |
| 21:48.03 | beandog | \o/ |
| 21:48.09 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 21:50.44 | thebigdog | i prefer guru myself |
| 21:50.47 | thebigdog | ~thebigdog |
| 21:50.48 | jbot | it has been said that thebigdog is the postgreSQL guru, a GWAR groupie, or secretly loves AOL, or a lover of cursors, or now 33. Frank Black |
| 21:50.56 | thebigdog | or groupie |
| 21:51.12 | beandog | I wanna be a postgres guru |
| 21:51.13 | beandog | :C |
| 21:51.16 | beandog | ~beandog |
| 21:51.16 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, beandog is the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one |
| 21:51.22 | beandog | oh, Im enlightened |
| 21:51.23 | beandog | that works |
| 21:52.44 | thebigdog | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 21:55.47 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:55.53 | SunSparc | Those poor ninjas |
| 21:57.51 | thebigdog | its terrible |
| 22:08.02 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:08.08 | beandog | suddenly I have a real craving to play some Diablo II |
| 22:08.53 | _psychic_ | I was severely disappointed by diablo II. |
| 22:09.28 | SunSparc | Diablo II was fun, but then Warcraft 3 came out. |
| 22:12.24 | _psychic_ | 1. Approach NPC. 2. Agree to NPC's request to kill stuff. 3. Kill said stuff and return. 4. Profit. |
| 22:12.28 | _psychic_ | That's the *whole game.* |
| 22:12.45 | SunSparc | Yep, pretty much |
| 22:12.50 | _psychic_ | Which isn't far off from WoW quests, come to think of it. |
| 22:13.00 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 22:13.10 | _psychic_ | Though WoW quests might insert step 2a: Run across the freaking continent. |
| 22:13.13 | SunSparc | WoW just is much more massive and better graphics |
| 22:13.21 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:13.22 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 22:14.00 | _psychic_ | RPGs have devolved into social networks with task lists, rather than stories or universes. |
| 22:15.17 | _psychic_ | Thanks, Blizzard. |
| 22:16.00 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:28.46 | mgeary | Wasteland FTW |
| 22:29.02 | mgeary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_(computer_game) |
| 22:29.36 | mgeary | followed by Fallout and Fallout 2 |
| 22:29.43 | _psychic_ | (broken link?) |
| 22:30.00 | _psychic_ | nm |
| 22:30.14 | mgeary | ah, the closing parenth, sorry. |
| 22:30.24 | mgeary | Adium does that too |
| 22:30.38 | SunSparc | Grim Fandango was fun -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_fandango |
| 22:30.47 | SunSparc | Love those Lucas Arts games. |
| 22:31.36 | beandog | I thought it was okay |
| 22:31.43 | beandog | The Dig is fun |
| 22:31.49 | beandog | and hard. |
| 22:32.09 | SunSparc | I have not heard of The Dig. |
| 22:33.29 | SunSparc | new, even |
| 22:36.59 | synic | pandora desktop ftl. |
| 22:37.34 | SunSparc | ? |
| 22:38.25 | beandog | SunSparc, I think it was the last one they made |
| 22:38.34 | beandog | well, using that same engine |
| 22:38.37 | beandog | Scumm |
| 22:38.43 | _psychic_ | It doesn't really help out techo-lovers.... mostly because Pandora needs some sort of *difference* between songs in order to be useful. |
| 22:42.25 | thebigdog | is there a google api for searches that is not ajax based |
| 22:43.34 | _psychic_ | http://google.com/search?q= ;) |
| 22:44.03 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:44.08 | beandog | heh |
| 22:44.23 | _psychic_ | That's.. uh.. the REST interface. |
| 22:45.58 | SunSparc | Yeah, who says REST is a "new" model. |
| 22:48.34 | wps | can someone remind of of the MySQL function that you can use in a select that allows you to cat characters onto a value? |
| 22:48.36 | wps | cat()? |
| 22:48.40 | wps | concat()? |
| 22:50.02 | SunSparc | meow() |
| 22:50.14 | wps | never mind |
| 22:50.16 | wps | that's it |
| 22:50.18 | wps | concat() |
| 22:53.31 | beandog | SunSparc, heh |
| 22:53.36 | beandog | you know |
| 22:53.40 | beandog | one nice thing about psql |
| 22:53.43 | beandog | is you just group them together |
| 22:53.48 | beandog | selec (foo || bar) |
| 22:53.51 | beandog | something like that. |
| 22:53.53 | beandog | select |
| 22:56.06 | _psychic_ | why |
| 22:56.24 | SunSparc | I keep hearing thebigdog rave about it. |
| 22:56.27 | jsmith-teaching | SunSparc: Why not today? |
| 22:56.30 | SunSparc | Must be cool |
| 22:56.34 | jsmith | SunSparc: It is |
| 22:56.47 | SunSparc | jsmith: Because I am going to be too busy playing CoD4 |
| 22:56.50 | _psychic_ | why^2 |
| 22:56.58 | jsmith | SunSparc: Sucks to be you ;-) |
| 22:57.11 | SunSparc | Yeah, I know, life is so hard sometimes. |
| 22:57.38 | jsmith | _psychic_: Let's just say that I used to help run one of the five largest MySQL installations in the world, and that I could tell you things about MySQL that would make you scream |
| 22:57.51 | jsmith | _psychic_: Which is why I personally prefer PostgreSQL |
| 22:58.32 | _psychic_ | Most "cool" things I hear about in PG mix business logic in your storage layer |
| 22:58.42 | SunSparc | I have never really seen a need to switch from MySQL, but I am always open to learning. |
| 22:58.53 | jsmith | _psychic_: Just a few things... one, you don't have to worry about "Gee, if I use this database type, I get speed, but if I use this other, I get transactions and triggers and foreign keys" |
| 22:59.20 | jsmith | _psychic_: Two, up until very recently, MySQL wouldn't ever use more than one index per query (which is really bad when it comes to JOINs) |
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| 22:59.31 | jsmith | _psychic_: I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea |
| 22:59.58 | _psychic_ | I don't yet, no. |
| 23:00.14 | jsmith | _psychic_: Oh, and some people *prefer* to put business logic in the database, and use things like transactions and triggers and constraints to make sure their data is consistent |
| 23:00.33 | _psychic_ | some people prefer to put business logic in the view layer too. |
| 23:00.46 | jsmith | Ugh |
| 23:01.02 | jsmith | Then again, some people prefer to put *your* data on a laptop and get it stolen |
| 23:01.10 | burnin | lol |
| 23:01.56 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:02.04 | cycokilr | hey dataw0lf, you aroung? |
| 23:02.10 | cycokilr | s/aroung/around/ |
| 23:02.51 | SunSparc | CoD4 time!!!!!!!! |
| 23:02.55 | SunSparc | laterz |
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| 23:14.21 | thebigdog | depends on what you term business logic |
| 23:14.39 | thebigdog | and how your db is setup in terms of physical and logic design |
| 23:14.54 | beandog | and how sexy your db admin is |
| 23:15.04 | thebigdog | that is a given |
| 23:15.12 | beandog | i'm too sexy for this query |
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| 23:45.56 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:46.17 | thebigdog | i think i might be |
