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| 04:24.59 | herlo | so I know how to include indexes using .htaccess, but I'd like to do it with a pretty page wrapper. Anyone have experience with this sort of thing? |
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| 14:02.25 | timinator | morning guys |
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| 15:22.26 | mgeary | morning |
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| 15:40.02 | mindjuju | morning all |
| 15:40.50 | orsonj | morning |
| 15:41.04 | beandog | morning all but mindjuju |
| 15:41.10 | beandog | :) |
| 15:41.39 | beandog | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/28/star-trek-cake.html |
| 15:43.30 | beandog | aww |
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| 16:04.55 | mindjuju | thx for the cake beandog |
| 16:08.07 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:10.05 | SunSparc | My son brought home a million dollar bill from school the other day and was wanting us to take him to the store so he could buy some things. |
| 16:10.13 | timinator | someday I will be worth millions |
| 16:10.18 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:10.22 | timinator | how old is your son? |
| 16:10.27 | SunSparc | He is 6. |
| 16:10.28 | beandog | I wonder how much I'm worth |
| 16:10.36 | beandog | at least 3 pepsis. |
| 16:10.56 | timinator | My oldest daughter will turn 5 in a week |
| 16:11.05 | SunSparc | Fun age. |
| 16:11.26 | SunSparc | beandog: if we cut you up and sell you for individual parts we might get some good money. |
| 16:11.38 | timinator | she's dramatic LOL |
| 16:11.54 | timinator | wants a princess party |
| 16:12.04 | timinator | and has made sure we invite her prince |
| 16:12.08 | SunSparc | And I like it that way. |
| 16:12.27 | timinator | much easier than girls |
| 16:12.42 | SunSparc | timinator: so I hear ;) |
| 16:12.43 | mindjuju | beandog - $3.35 |
| 16:12.48 | mindjuju | oops, i soorry |
| 16:12.49 | beandog | sweet |
| 16:12.56 | mindjuju | $335 |
| 16:13.05 | beandog | even better |
| 16:13.09 | SunSparc | That is more than 3 Pepsi's |
| 16:13.16 | beandog | it's at least 8 |
| 16:13.24 | mgeary | whom do i pay? |
| 16:13.30 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:14.02 | mindjuju | mgeary - pay the cashier at Sam's Club |
| 16:14.09 | beandog | SunSparc is really superman? |
| 16:14.22 | mindjuju | i was just charging 90% lean ground beef rate |
| 16:14.22 | timinator | no wonder he's got millions |
| 16:14.34 | mindjuju | course the question is now |
| 16:14.44 | SunSparc | Not that far North |
| 16:14.55 | mindjuju | will mgeary go to Sam's Club (Walmart ^2) to buy beandog ? |
| 16:15.05 | beandog | I'm on sale |
| 16:15.31 | mindjuju | errr... |
| 16:15.43 | mgeary | dude, you're not on sale, you're being sold below cost to undermine native producers of beandogs |
| 16:15.51 | mindjuju | heh |
| 16:16.26 | timinator | haha |
| 16:16.37 | SunSparc | Is a beandog like a corndog? |
| 16:16.48 | mgeary | yes, but it gives you more gas |
| 16:16.55 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 16:16.58 | timinator | ha |
| 16:17.04 | beandog | heh |
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| 16:20.30 | orsonj | Isn't that a chili dog? |
| 16:22.09 | mindjuju | you see, tofu = soybean extract |
| 16:22.17 | mindjuju | therefore, beandog = tofu dog |
| 16:22.36 | beandog | eek no |
| 16:23.01 | mindjuju | yeah, but tofu is real bean too |
| 16:23.04 | mindjuju | soy bean |
| 16:23.57 | orsonj | heh |
| 16:30.30 | wps | ~lart IE's whitespace bug |
| 16:30.30 | jbot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to IE's whitespace bug, and goes postal |
| 16:30.38 | wps | now that's a good lart |
| 16:30.52 | wps | thank you, jbot |
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| 16:53.54 | SunSparc | ~lart IE |
| 16:53.54 | jbot | judo chops IE |
| 17:00.59 | tierra | what do you guys all use for DB abstration in PHP? |
| 17:01.16 | SunSparc | CakePHP |
| 17:01.29 | wps | what is abstration? |
| 17:01.37 | _psychic_ | *abstraction, probably |
| 17:02.06 | josephscott | great article on how ebay scales their systems to keep up with demand on their web site: http://www.infoq.com/articles/ebay-scalability-best-practices |
| 17:03.36 | tierra | *abstraction ... I've mostly stuck to being lazy about it, and only caring about MySQL... I have used PEAR::DB before, and the only solution I know of these days is PEAR::MDB2 (the replacement to PEAR::DB), but I've never really been a fan of it |
| 17:04.15 | orsonj | adodb comes to mind, but I'm not sure why |
| 17:05.03 | tierra | my issues with PEAR::DB and PEAR::MDB2 in the past have been in regards to their horrible error handling system |
| 17:05.22 | josephscott | there's database access abstraction and then sql abstraction, two different issues |
| 17:05.25 | DexterTheDragon | and the massive amount of bloat from PEAR |
| 17:05.45 | _psychic_ | beware the pear! |
| 17:05.53 | josephscott | but often people refer to both as database abstraction |
| 17:06.01 | unum | I use MDB2 |
| 17:06.52 | beandog | tierra, just right error-free code |
| 17:06.55 | beandog | er, write |
| 17:06.56 | beandog | sheesh |
| 17:07.01 | beandog | pear++ |
| 17:08.13 | SunSparc | I use CakePHP for my database abstraction. It works wonderfully. |
| 17:08.41 | _psychic_ | s'nice because it does associations and stuff |
| 17:08.54 | beandog | I have trained gerbils doing all my abstraction |
| 17:08.55 | beandog | beat that |
| 17:08.56 | DexterTheDragon | ~cakephp++ |
| 17:09.07 | SunSparc | ~cakephp++ |
| 17:09.12 | tierra | heh, I'm not looking for a MVC |
| 17:09.35 | _psychic_ | SunSparc: I just posted this yesterday: http://book.cakephp.org/view/66/models#containablebehavior-474 |
| 17:09.51 | _psychic_ | http://book.cakephp.org/view/474/containablebehavior , rather |
| 17:11.02 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Hey, that looks nice. I am adding that to my reading list for today. |
| 17:12.04 | _psychic_ | It's awsum |
| 17:12.36 | DexterTheDragon | _psychic_: That looks a lot like Bindable. Do you know what differences they might have? |
| 17:14.02 | _psychic_ | DexterTheDragon: it's Bindable and Felix's Containable all together in one. |
| 17:14.11 | _psychic_ | Bindable is now in the core as Containable. |
| 17:14.18 | DexterTheDragon | sweet |
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| 17:14.33 | _psychic_ | yeah it's real nice |
| 17:14.49 | DexterTheDragon | I've enjoyed the benefits that Bindable has given |
| 17:14.54 | _psychic_ | didn't know there were other cake fans in here |
| 17:15.02 | _psychic_ | uphpu seems kinda anti-framework to me |
| 17:15.39 | SunSparc | ~lart anti-frameworks |
| 17:15.39 | jbot | --purges anti-frameworks |
| 17:15.54 | SunSparc | Anti-frameworks are like anti-matter |
| 17:16.18 | beandog | were just old fogeys who dont warm up to new fangled ideas. |
| 17:17.12 | DexterTheDragon | yeah and that MVC idea is like 30 years old |
| 17:17.39 | beandog | ~mvc |
| 17:17.44 | beandog | ~wtf mvc |
| 17:17.47 | beandog | meh. |
| 17:17.49 | beandog | me either. |
| 17:18.01 | josephscott | I don't mind the V & C, not a huge fan of the M though |
| 17:21.53 | jsmith | What?!? Nobody caught the pun? |
| 17:22.18 | SunSparc | Cake, nice |
| 17:24.11 | beandog | oh geez. |
| 17:24.38 | tierra | maybe I should look into using PDO |
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| 17:29.52 | SunSparc | ~lart dropped connections |
| 17:29.52 | jbot | cuts dropped connections into thin stripes |
| 17:32.44 | SunSparc | :( |
| 17:36.48 | mindjuju | i'm thinking of hitting the local Chinese restaurant |
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| 17:39.54 | tierra | looks like Subversion 1.5.0 will finally be officially released within the next 10 days |
| 17:40.55 | wps | awesome |
| 17:41.08 | wps | Mac OS 10.5.3 is out for the Mac users in here |
| 17:43.45 | SunSparc | Sweet! There it is! Are you already running it wps? |
| 17:43.53 | wps | downloading |
| 17:43.56 | wps | here's what's changed: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1141 |
| 17:50.12 | SunSparc | Hmmm, mostly bug fixes. |
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| 17:53.11 | mindjuju | anybody here used fpdf ? |
| 17:54.07 | mindjuju | so, i've been tinkering with the tuts, getting common phrases to work |
| 17:54.14 | mindjuju | but now i have to do some work with it |
| 17:54.28 | mindjuju | have a whole page of text to lay out |
| 17:54.41 | SunSparc | mindjuju: that is at the point I am at also |
| 17:54.43 | mindjuju | do i have to divide everything into cells and lay it out by hand |
| 17:54.57 | mindjuju | is there no way to define a huge cell that could contain all text? |
| 17:55.10 | SunSparc | I think you can just have a huge cell |
| 17:55.32 | SunSparc | Have you ever done physical layouts for books? |
| 17:55.46 | mindjuju | i have with pagemaker and indesign |
| 17:56.00 | SunSparc | I am thinking it is similar. |
| 17:56.08 | mindjuju | in high school, did the paper layout |
| 17:56.34 | SunSparc | yeah, I was on yearbook staff. |
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| 18:02.09 | mindjuju | yuck, looks like i'm going to have to put this document in line by line |
| 18:02.36 | SunSparc | Just like laying out a book, pretty much. |
| 18:03.56 | mgeary | that's what sucks about things like pdflib |
| 18:04.00 | mgeary | and why we've done what we have |
| 18:04.18 | SunSparc | mgeary: What have you done? |
| 18:05.02 | SunSparc | Was hast du getan |
| 18:05.52 | SunSparc | Anong buhatin mo? |
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| 18:06.24 | SunSparc | ä½ããããã |
| 18:06.31 | mgeary | we've got some high-level wrappers around a bunch of pdf creation and modification routines |
| 18:06.37 | mgeary | emphasis on modification |
| 18:06.55 | mgeary | there's lots of ways out there to create pdfs, but precious few that let you change an existing pdf |
| 18:07.16 | SunSparc | I do not currently have the need to modify. Just create. |
| 18:07.38 | SunSparc | I have integrated fpdf into cakephp following some tutes. |
| 18:07.46 | mgeary | however, there's a lot of value in letting a talented designer create a document in, say, InDesign, and then modify the result programmatically, rather than forcing a programmer to algorithmically create the doc from scratch |
| 18:07.56 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:08.08 | mindjuju | this would be cake to lay it out, create a pdf with pdf forms |
| 18:08.13 | mindjuju | and affect it using php |
| 18:08.21 | mgeary | well, mindjuju, we're not THAT expensive.... |
| 18:09.43 | mindjuju | how much does a fine piece of code like that cost? |
| 18:10.00 | mgeary | well, we generally sell it as a service, not as code |
| 18:10.24 | mgeary | we have servers set up as pdf generators that work basically as a web service |
| 18:10.59 | mgeary | you're welcome to pm me if you want to explore various scenarios |
| 18:11.10 | _psychic_ | Zend has a nice PDF lib too. |
| 18:12.26 | mgeary | _psychic_: indeed, that does look promising |
| 18:12.42 | mgeary | i don't see a cost for it |
| 18:12.51 | _psychic_ | it's part of the Zend "framework" |
| 18:13.08 | mgeary | so it's OSS? |
| 18:13.09 | _psychic_ | I've used it in a number of projects - it's pretty good stuff |
| 18:13.10 | _psychic_ | yeah. |
| 18:13.28 | mgeary | is it easy to use various modules/classes without using the whole framework? |
| 18:13.45 | SunSparc | _psychic_: Have you used the fpdf component in Cake? |
| 18:13.58 | _psychic_ | nope |
| 18:14.01 | _psychic_ | mgeary: yeah |
| 18:14.07 | mgeary | good to know, thanks |
| 18:14.12 | _psychic_ | mgeary: the Lucene stuff is really good, too |
| 18:14.38 | DexterTheDragon | the Zend framework is more or less just a collection of various classes |
| 18:14.43 | mgeary | _psychic_: what have you done with it? |
| 18:14.57 | SunSparc | _psychic_ is now playing foosball |
| 18:15.18 | mgeary | ~slacker _psychic_ |
| 18:15.36 | DexterTheDragon | oooo I wanna play foosball |
| 18:15.56 | SunSparc | mgeary: you could walk over with one of your guys and have a couple of rounds of foosball smackdown. |
| 18:16.21 | mgeary | nah, i'm too proud to be thusly humiliated |
| 18:16.27 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 18:16.32 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: come on over |
| 18:16.53 | timinator | I'm out.... later guys |
| 18:17.02 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: That could be fun |
| 18:17.04 | mgeary | ~slacker timinator |
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| 18:22.43 | beandog | yo mama so fat, she sat on an oreo and unlocked the magic |
| 18:23.14 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, you in the house! |
| 18:23.23 | dataw0lf | what up son |
| 18:23.42 | SunSparc | What exactly does unlocking the magic have to do with being fat? |
| 18:24.19 | beandog | SunSparc, just laugh, dangit! |
| 18:24.26 | SunSparc | Oh, right, sorry |
| 18:24.29 | SunSparc | HAHAHAH!!! |
| 18:24.35 | beandog | lol |
| 18:24.37 | SunSparc | brb |
| 18:24.55 | dataw0lf | yo momma so fat that I yelled into her belly button and heard an echo |
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| 18:35.34 | mgeary | paging fedora users |
| 18:38.04 | mgeary | what's that funky low-level network security thingy that is probably preventing me from hitting port 21 on this machine i'm configuring? It's not a firewal, it's something else |
| 18:38.23 | mgeary | i've dealt with it before, but can't remember the name |
| 18:38.24 | _psychic_ | is ftp running on another port? |
| 18:38.27 | mgeary | no |
| 18:38.35 | SunSparc | A hosts file? |
| 18:38.36 | _psychic_ | xinetd? |
| 18:38.39 | burnin | selinux? |
| 18:38.44 | mgeary | yes |
| 18:38.46 | mgeary | selinux |
| 18:38.49 | mgeary | damnable thing |
| 18:39.11 | mgeary | how can i verify that that's what's stopping me? |
| 18:39.13 | burnin | trying to hit port 21 with what? |
| 18:39.14 | _psychic_ | security claims victory over usability once again. |
| 18:39.27 | burnin | tail -f /var/log/messages and watch for avc: denied messages |
| 18:39.30 | mgeary | i can hit port 21 just fine on localhost, but not from a machine on the subnet |
| 18:39.48 | mgeary | burnin: yep |
| 18:40.11 | mgeary | so how do i allow that? |
| 18:41.16 | burnin | if there is a boolean its easy, if you need to adjust the policy its a bit more complicated but still not too bad. |
| 18:41.20 | burnin | getsebool -a | grep ftp |
| 18:41.32 | burnin | see if there is a boolean you can set to allow what your trying to do |
| 18:41.56 | burnin | can you paste one of the denied messages? |
| 18:42.03 | mgeary | yes, sec |
| 18:42.15 | mgeary | http://pastebin.com/mdedcac9 |
| 18:42.22 | mgeary | that's the output of the getsebool |
| 18:42.53 | DexterTheDragon | _psychic_: what color is a foosball-colored gauntlet? |
| 18:43.50 | burnin | mgeary, how about one of the denied messages from the log, I'm curious what the source and target contexts are. |
| 18:45.13 | mgeary | sec |
| 18:46.24 | mgeary | poop |
| 18:46.37 | mgeary | looks like maybe it IS a firewall issue |
| 18:46.51 | mgeary | the avc errors i saw were from something else |
| 18:46.52 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: foosball color is roughly #b64736 |
| 18:47.19 | SunSparc | Depending, of course, on your foosball. |
| 18:47.31 | mgeary | yep, iptables is blocking |
| 18:47.54 | mgeary | k, someone help me with this, i'm clueless about iptables. Here's the dump of iptables --list: |
| 18:48.06 | mgeary | http://pastebin.com/m474fd8d6 |
| 18:48.53 | burnin | system-config-securitylevel |
| 18:48.55 | burnin | I think |
| 18:49.20 | burnin | otherwise I'd recommend yum install shorewall and using that to configure your firewall rules |
| 18:50.30 | mgeary | okay, making progress |
| 18:51.20 | burnin | if you just want to test with a new iptables rule, iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 21 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:51.23 | burnin | something like that |
| 18:52.02 | _psychic_ | DexterTheDragon: pink |
| 18:52.09 | _psychic_ | I tell I'm going to win this challenge already. |
| 18:52.32 | mgeary | burnin: i'm now connecting on port 21 |
| 18:52.45 | mgeary | but it appears that proftpd isn't successfully using mysql for authentication :/ |
| 18:52.50 | mgeary | i'll go over to #proftpd for that |
| 18:53.07 | DexterTheDragon | who has pink foos |
| 18:53.44 | _psychic_ | http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=foosballs&btnG=Search+Images |
| 18:54.40 | DexterTheDragon | ours are bright red |
| 18:54.52 | _psychic_ | DexterTheDragon: where do you work? |
| 18:55.02 | macnewbold | w00t! |
| 18:55.03 | DexterTheDragon | code greene |
| 18:55.05 | macnewbold | here at Code Greene! |
| 18:55.21 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: you guys up for a foos showdown? |
| 18:55.22 | macnewbold | we need some inter-company foos championships or something |
| 18:55.29 | macnewbold | it'd be a lot of fun |
| 18:55.44 | _psychic_ | what kind of table you guys have? |
| 18:56.18 | DexterTheDragon | pos from like sams club |
| 18:56.22 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:56.27 | macnewbold | it's a sportcraft |
| 18:56.27 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 18:56.39 | macnewbold | looks pretty nice, better than the $100 cheap ones |
| 18:56.49 | macnewbold | but it is getting some serious wear and tear in the last 6 months |
| 18:56.57 | _psychic_ | DexterTheDragon: we've got a tornado |
| 18:57.03 | _psychic_ | and it's connected to a web app |
| 18:57.08 | macnewbold | oh, that rockS! |
| 18:57.14 | macnewbold | yes, with a capital S! |
| 18:57.25 | _psychic_ | http://foosball.johna.staging.mediarain.com/app/webroot/bin/FoosballCommander.html# |
| 18:57.54 | DexterTheDragon | I think SunSparc showed me that and that is just awesome |
| 18:58.02 | mgeary | woot |
| 18:58.03 | mgeary | i'm all set |
| 18:58.11 | _psychic_ | we installed buttons on the sides of the table too |
| 18:58.13 | mgeary | ~burnin++ |
| 18:58.14 | mindjuju | this looks pretty cool- http://kessingers.com/Our%20Trips/Central%20Europe%202005/2005%20Europe%20417.jpg |
| 18:58.16 | _psychic_ | so you smack em when you score. |
| 18:58.35 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: that is awesome. |
| 18:58.41 | SunSparc | Sweet arcade buttons |
| 18:58.44 | burnin | mgeary, w00h00 :) |
| 19:00.22 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: let's pick a day sometime and have some foos |
| 19:00.34 | _psychic_ | we also play COD4 if you guys are up for that. :) |
| 19:10.36 | SunSparc | CoD4++ |
| 19:25.29 | beandog | heh |
| 19:38.21 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 19:38.39 | _psychic_ | what in the world is that from |
| 19:38.54 | mgeary | from? |
| 19:38.58 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 19:42.36 | mgeary | is anyone here a student in Utah Valley? |
| 19:42.47 | mgeary | orsonj: you're a student, no? |
| 19:42.51 | mgeary | but you're up in Logan, yes? |
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| 19:46.22 | jbot | brasto: ok |
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| 20:03.16 | orsonj | Yep, I'm in Logan |
| 20:04.12 | mindjuju | maybe that's just orsonj 's cover |
| 20:04.29 | mindjuju | how convenient is it that he's up in logan where nobody else lives? |
| 20:04.44 | mgeary | isn't thebigdog somewheres way up there? |
| 20:05.00 | mindjuju | thebigdog = ogden |
| 20:06.04 | mgeary | eeh. logan, ogden, same diff |
| 20:06.20 | mindjuju | oh, i thought they were like an hour difference |
| 20:06.29 | mgeary | :) |
| 20:06.31 | orsonj | Yep, it's true. Logan is just a cover. |
| 20:07.19 | mindjuju | possibly for recruiting purposes |
| 20:07.28 | orsonj | nope, that's jbot |
| 20:08.25 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i am in layton |
| 20:12.03 | mgeary | hahahaah |
| 20:12.12 | mgeary | check this out-- |
| 20:12.43 | mgeary | http://pastebin.com/m6678aefa |
| 20:12.55 | mgeary | this is extracted from a doc from a company that provides some hosting |
| 20:13.30 | mgeary | they provide "excellent" hosting, as long as you don't need any scripts, any database, any admin interface... |
| 20:13.44 | thebigdog | that is my type of hosting |
| 20:14.00 | mindjuju | amazing |
| 20:14.48 | beandog | heh |
| 20:14.58 | beandog | time to write some server-side bash scripts! |
| 20:15.04 | beandog | to serve up HTML |
| 20:15.05 | beandog | heh |
| 20:15.48 | mindjuju | Abandon Ship! |
| 20:18.00 | DexterTheDragon | Man the Dinghies! |
| 20:18.18 | thebigdog | i dont man nor grep dinghies |
| 20:18.50 | SunSparc | how about info? |
| 20:19.02 | DexterTheDragon | info can go die |
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| 20:19.12 | SunSparc | Ouch |
| 20:19.20 | SunSparc | I usually use man, but I hear info is better |
| 20:19.49 | DexterTheDragon | I must just be used to man cause I hate info |
| 20:20.38 | SunSparc | Probably a usability curve |
| 20:20.43 | beandog | lol |
| 20:21.01 | beandog | its times like these that remind me why I hang out in here |
| 20:21.12 | beandog | that, and the free chips |
| 20:21.28 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: cause you hate info to? |
| 20:21.31 | beandog | yes |
| 20:21.41 | SunSparc | Or you enjoy the silly banter? |
| 20:21.47 | beandog | mostly that. |
| 20:22.03 | SunSparc | silly banter++ |
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| 20:27.39 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you there? |
| 20:27.53 | mindjuju | sup bro |
| 20:31.37 | beandog | modern communication at work |
| 20:31.53 | SunSparc | internet++ |
| 20:32.20 | beandog | intertubes++ |
| 20:32.42 | SunSparc | thattharintarwebs++ |
| 20:34.07 | SunSparc | ~shun the Gore |
| 20:34.08 | jbot | You are dead to me, the Gore. |
| 20:34.24 | SunSparc | hehe, did not know that was a command. sweet! |
| 20:34.39 | SunSparc | Good girl, jbot |
| 20:34.46 | mindjuju | ~shun beandog |
| 20:34.46 | jbot | You are dead to me, beandog. |
| 20:35.32 | beandog | mindjuju, whotd I do |
| 20:36.04 | mindjuju | nuthin' just test firing ~shun |
| 20:37.59 | SunSparc | ~charlietheunicorn |
| 20:38.40 | mindjuju | charlietheunicorn == evil |
| 20:38.47 | DexterTheDragon | ~asplode everyone's |
| 20:38.47 | jbot | everyone's head asplode, k thx |
| 20:39.28 | SunSparc | jbot, that should be kk not just k |
| 20:42.47 | beandog | candy mountain song++ |
| 20:42.50 | beandog | now I have to hear it again |
| 20:42.51 | beandog | dangit. |
| 20:43.09 | beandog | darn those neurotic obsessive tendencies. |
| 20:43.24 | DexterTheDragon | and ultimate showdown why your at it |
| 20:44.49 | beandog | whats that |
| 20:45.11 | DexterTheDragon | 0.o |
| 20:45.16 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.ultimateshowdown.org/ |
| 20:46.36 | beandog | please stop bouncing on me |
| 20:51.45 | PoeticIntensity | DexterTheDragon, that was awesome. |
| 20:52.30 | DexterTheDragon | how can you guys never have seen that? |
| 20:52.34 | beandog | oh my crap |
| 20:52.42 | PoeticIntensity | never even heard of it. |
| 20:52.46 | PoeticIntensity | watching it again... |
| 20:53.23 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:53.29 | DexterTheDragon | ok just to be sure... do you know who magical trevor is? |
| 20:53.32 | PoeticIntensity | "but they both got hit by a carebear stare" |
| 20:53.41 | PoeticIntensity | nope. |
| 20:54.39 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/magical+trevor/ |
| 20:55.21 | xilch|w | Oh man, I forgot about magical trevor. |
| 20:59.36 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.flashportal.com/movies/shock2.html |
| 20:59.39 | PoeticIntensity | that is freaking cool. |
| 20:59.47 | PoeticIntensity | gotta click on "PLAY THIS MOVIE"... |
| 21:41.19 | dataw0lf | oh, and here I was just sitting here. |
| 21:41.20 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 21:42.03 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... for almost an hour? |
| 21:42.58 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 21:43.04 | dataw0lf | just. waiting. |
| 21:56.34 | PoeticIntensity | I modded my mustang. |
| 21:56.38 | PoeticIntensity | FWIW. |
| 21:56.46 | PoeticIntensity | something. possibly. interesting. |
| 21:57.03 | PoeticIntensity | You still driving your VW, dataw0lf? |
| 21:58.17 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: not driving anything right now. No need for a car anymore. |
| 21:58.38 | PoeticIntensity | rock on! |
| 21:58.52 | PoeticIntensity | I don't think I could stand not driving... |
| 21:59.07 | PoeticIntensity | I now live about 4.5 miles from work, and during lunch, I go on the freeway, just to drive more. |
| 21:59.30 | PoeticIntensity | I'm sure when gas is $10.00 / gallon, I'll re-think it, but for now, I love driving. |
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| 22:03.13 | synic | heh, hopefully it won't ever reach that point :P |
| 22:03.56 | DexterTheDragon | are you kidding... it will probably be there sometime next week |
| 22:04.16 | synic | I'm just saying, hopefully we pull our heads out before that, and it won't matter so much. |
| 22:04.19 | mgeary | it needs to, if we're ever going to be truly motivated to seek other energy sources |
| 22:04.19 | PoeticIntensity | it is getting kind of crazy... |
| 22:04.35 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, right on. |
| 22:04.46 | PoeticIntensity | pain is the mother of all invention.... er... |
| 22:04.55 | PoeticIntensity | er... was it necessity...? |
| 22:04.57 | mgeary | they should be *increasing* the tax on gas, not talking about a stupid gas holiday |
| 22:05.12 | mgeary | increase the tax and use that money to develop new stuff |
| 22:05.26 | PoeticIntensity | not sure I agree with that, though. |
| 22:05.52 | mgeary | it'd get us where we need to be faster |
| 22:05.55 | PoeticIntensity | lots of different ways to go about solving the problem... |
| 22:06.14 | PoeticIntensity | I think we are quite stupid in our resolute insistence on relying on foreign oil. |
| 22:06.48 | PoeticIntensity | changing the the technology, IMO, from oil to something else will take decades.... |
| 22:07.11 | PoeticIntensity | finding new sources of oil (and working on technology in the meantime) is a bit faster, IMO. |
| 22:07.30 | mgeary | new oil just delays the inevitable |
| 22:07.36 | PoeticIntensity | true. |
| 22:07.42 | mgeary | why not start solving the problem as soon as possible |
| 22:07.47 | DexterTheDragon | we should be running on ethenol |
| 22:07.47 | mgeary | energy COULD be very cheap |
| 22:07.53 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 22:08.00 | PoeticIntensity | I'm just scared of the interim time. |
| 22:08.02 | mgeary | once we have the infrastructure |
| 22:08.10 | PoeticIntensity | where oil is being taxed to no end to fund the R&D. |
| 22:08.59 | PoeticIntensity | I say let the economy do its work, and when it get painful enough, some genius somewhere will no doubt come out with a way to run cars on water or light. |
| 22:09.47 | mgeary | ultimately we ought to get all energy coming from electricity |
| 22:09.59 | PoeticIntensity | I could live with that. |
| 22:10.02 | mgeary | and generate that via solar, turbine, whatever |
| 22:10.06 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 22:10.45 | mgeary | give the whole biodiesel thing a skip entirely |
| 22:10.53 | mgeary | that's just crazy |
| 22:11.08 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I'm sure lots of craziness will occur in order to find the right solution. |
| 22:11.33 | mgeary | but i do think we ought to make gasoline more expensive; start shaping more sustainable habits |
| 22:12.08 | mgeary | and this is coming from a guys who's planning a road trip to Ohio in a couple of weeks :/ |
| 22:12.24 | mgeary | no, but you don't want the pain when you go to the dentist either |
| 22:12.34 | PoeticIntensity | that's why I brush consistently. |
| 22:12.36 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 22:12.46 | PoeticIntensity | so there is no pain... |
| 22:12.47 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
| 22:13.05 | mgeary | so where's your electric car? Then you've got no pain |
| 22:13.10 | PoeticIntensity | we should drill for oil in-house. |
| 22:13.10 | mgeary | :) |
| 22:13.18 | PoeticIntensity | build more refineries. |
| 22:13.23 | PoeticIntensity | (or any) |
| 22:13.34 | mgeary | that just increases the opportunity cost |
| 22:13.43 | mgeary | throws more dollars into a doomed future |
| 22:13.57 | mgeary | for temporary relief |
| 22:14.01 | beandog | ~doom |
| 22:14.02 | jbot | ACTION stalks beandog, chanting doom on you, doom on you! |
| 22:14.29 | PoeticIntensity | yes, it'd be absolutely utopian if we could just not use it at all... |
| 22:14.39 | SunSparc | Anyone here have IE 6? |
| 22:14.59 | mgeary | last year, Indonesia went from being a net exporter of oil to a net importer |
| 22:15.00 | PoeticIntensity | but to change everything to something else in a matter of a couple of years would cause the economy to collapse, IMO. |
| 22:15.03 | SunSparc | And could look at a site for me in IE 6? |
| 22:15.24 | wps | I could remote into a box and look for your SunSparc |
| 22:15.31 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: Good for you. |
| 22:15.31 | wps | s/your/you/ |
| 22:15.32 | beandog | SunSparc, what are you running on |
| 22:15.42 | SunSparc | OS X |
| 22:15.45 | wps | a treadmill? |
| 22:15.45 | beandog | oh |
| 22:15.47 | SunSparc | wps, do you mind? |
| 22:15.56 | wps | no |
| 22:16.03 | SunSparc | I have XP in Parallels but not IE 6. |
| 22:16.17 | wps | ready when you are |
| 22:16.59 | SunSparc | http://phase4.jonathand.staging.mediarain.com/ |
| 22:17.45 | SunSparc | Actually, refresh, I just ran an svn update on that. |
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| 22:18.11 | SunSparc | I only need a couple things looked at. The "Client Login" image at the bottom is a PNG and may look bad in IE |
| 22:18.38 | wps | (as he is the one that designed it and had it implemented) |
| 22:18.52 | SunSparc | wps: hehe, yeah, it rox. |
| 22:18.55 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:18.58 | thebigdog | SunSparc, i can pull up that crappy url |
| 22:18.59 | SunSparc | Thank you for that |
| 22:19.15 | SunSparc | thebigdog: :) |
| 22:19.25 | wps | the client login PNG looks like crap |
| 22:19.31 | SunSparc | Also, if you click "Login" it should take you to a login page and the title might look bad in IE 6 |
| 22:19.32 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:19.52 | SunSparc | wps: That is what I was afraid of. I better just make it a GIF. |
| 22:20.04 | SunSparc | ~lart IE 6 |
| 22:20.04 | jbot | blames IE 6 for all the evil in the world |
| 22:20.12 | wps | the orb looks weird too |
| 22:20.21 | wps | home link |
| 22:20.25 | SunSparc | How so? |
| 22:20.33 | SunSparc | OH! I see what you mean. |
| 22:20.39 | SunSparc | Thanks |
| 22:20.54 | wps | http://screencast.com/t/u6TCFA66 |
| 22:21.45 | SunSparc | Hmm, that is odd, the title is also a PNG but it looks fine. |
| 22:23.55 | SunSparc | One last thing, if you login (jonathand:1234) the title on the upload page is also a PNG. |
| 22:24.37 | wps | title looks like crap on the FILE UPLOAD page |
| 22:25.02 | SunSparc | Weird. Ok, thank you very much wps. I really appreciate it. |
| 22:25.10 | wps | you're welcome |
| 22:25.29 | wps | nice: http://phase4.jonathand.staging.mediarain.com/files/DSC00592.JPG |
| 22:26.15 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 22:26.33 | SunSparc | Not sure who that is. |
| 22:40.16 | beandog | okay |
| 22:40.23 | beandog | I just found out you can send SMS from Pidgin / Gaim |
| 22:40.37 | beandog | why doesnt anyone ever tell me these things |
| 22:40.45 | beandog | now I can pester mindjuju even more! |
| 22:42.04 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.59 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:43.03 | wps | okay |
| 22:43.10 | beandog | old school |
| 22:43.49 | mindjuju | kick it - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kick+it |
| 22:44.08 | mindjuju | keep it real - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=keep+it+real |
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