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15:04.14timinatormorning guys
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15:29.13herlomindjuju1: you should go back to bed :)
15:35.25mindjuju1yeah, no doubt
15:35.34mindjuju1the GD we have, he makes a promo page design
15:35.47mindjuju1the whole point of the page is to welcome clients and encourage them to sign up
15:36.04mindjuju1so, i axe you, WHERE does he put in the log in / click here to register?
15:36.07mindjuju1Where?
15:36.20mindjuju1IN THE FREAKIN' BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
15:36.42mindjuju1aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:37.00herlowhy? that sounds lame
15:37.06herlo:(
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15:37.45mindjuju1course, this is the same guy who "wrote" HTML using dreamweaver wysiwyg
15:40.36timinatorlol
15:41.41timinatorstupid question: is there a way to vertically align text using CSS?
15:41.54timinatorvertical-align: bottom; isn't working for me
15:43.15mindjuju1not a stupid question, pretty common, methinks
15:44.20mindjuju1i've not been able to find a right way to do it, and wind up taking the measurement of high of the thing i want vertically centered, and v-center it using margin
15:45.29mindjuju1so if i have a div called bigbox and a div inside of that called small box, if bigbox is 500px height and smallbox 100 px height , then margin-top: 200px
15:47.58herlotiminator: use bottom: -20px; IIRC
15:48.37herlosomething like that anyway
15:48.52timinatorwill try, fo sho
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16:01.08timinatorno go on that herlo.....
16:01.36timinatorbut it may be my application of it
16:01.47timinatorI'm trying to bottom align text in a div
16:02.13timinatorno biggie
16:18.15herlohmm
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16:39.27mindjuju1~APB josephscott
16:39.28jbotACTION summons Tim to rough up josephscott
16:39.47josephscottmindjuju1: what's up?
16:40.36mindjuju1hey, was just wondering, have you tried your laptop broadband access while driving?
16:40.44mindjuju1or while commutting, did it have issues?
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16:43.12josephscottI tried it once while my wife was driving, but just like reading in the car, it gave me a headache
16:43.33wpsmy biggest issue with using a computer in the car is that I can't see the screen because the sun is too bright
16:43.50wpsI have considered putting a blanket over my head… but then it would be hard to breath
16:44.17synicjust need a snorkle sticking out of the blanket
16:44.53mindjuju@josephscott - that's cool, wasn't sure if it would stay connected or if it would rop connection as you jump from tower to tower
16:45.18mindjujuwhat are your up / down speeds on average?
16:45.24josephscottmindjuju: should work as well as your mobile phone does in the car while moving
16:45.30mindjujuverizon said 750kbps
16:46.02wpsit has always amazed me that mobile phones work in the car
16:46.09wpswhizzing along at 80 miles an hour and they don't skip a beat
16:46.28mindjujuit would be cool to find out how they do it
16:46.29josephscottI tested it a few weeks back, nearly 2mbs down, something like 500kbs up
16:47.05mindjujuthat's way cool
16:47.19mindjujuon the cusp of getting it
16:47.33mindjujui just wind up needing it every where i go, would make life easier
16:49.51wpstwo hours into the work day and I can finally get to work
16:51.07mindjujuwps - i know the feeling
16:51.24beandogtwo?
16:51.26beandogthat's a record.
16:51.32beandogI usually get into it at about 4:30p
16:51.39wps:)
16:51.56mindjujufunny you say that beandog - just watched office space again yesterday
16:52.19beandogman I havent seen that in a looong time
16:52.28wpsI've always wanted to see that show
16:52.35wpsbut heard it's a little vulgar
16:52.37wpshow bad is it?
16:52.37beandog"were gonna need you to work on sunday too, mmmmmmmmmmkay?"
16:53.14beandoghttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/quotes
16:53.39beandogwps, bad
16:53.46wpsbummer
16:53.47wpssounds funny
16:53.57wpsbut also not worth wading through it for the funny
16:53.59mindjujuwps - it has  language, a tiny smidge of nudity, some violence
16:54.39beandogBob Slydell: Milton Waddams.
16:54.40beandogDom Portwood: Who's he?
16:54.40beandogBob Porter: You know, squirrely looking guy, mumbles a lot.
16:54.40beandogDom Portwood: Oh, yeah.
16:54.40beandogBob Slydell: Yeah, we can't actually find a record of him being a current employee here.
16:54.40beandogBob Porter: I looked into it more deeply and I found that apparently what happened is that he was laid off five years ago and no one ever told him about it; but through some kind of glitch in the payroll department, he still gets a paycheck.
16:54.44beandogBob Slydell: So we just went ahead and fixed the glitch.
16:54.46beandogBill Lumbergh: Great.
16:54.48beandogDom Portwood: So, uh, Milton has been let go?
16:54.50beandogBob Slydell: Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it'll just work itself out naturally.
16:54.57beandogBob Porter: We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem is solved from your end.
16:54.59mindjujuheh
16:54.59beandogquotespam
16:55.01beandog:D
16:55.01wpsWeird… Costa Vida has an Executive Chef
16:55.02wpshttp://www.costavida.net/eat_healthier/index.html
16:55.05wpswhat does he do all day
16:55.09herlobeandog: you are spam!
16:55.10wpsit's not like their menu changes
16:55.29wpsand don't the guys along the bar make the food?
16:55.32beandogwps, hes an executive, what do you think he does all day?
16:55.33wpsand why is he white?
16:55.49herlowps: you think costa vida is a *mexican* restaurant???
16:56.00wpswell… no
16:56.01beandogcosta vida is pretty nasty.
16:56.11herlothe food doesn't even resemble mexican food ::))
16:56.13wpsbut still… you'd think they'd at least try from a marketing perspective
16:56.22herlonah, they don't care
16:56.28wpsI like Costa Vida salads
16:56.30beandogPoeticIntensity will actually back me up on that one.
16:56.31wpssweet pork
16:56.32herlobeandog: La Frontera all over the valley
16:56.33wpsoh yeah
16:56.38beandogherlo, they are?
16:56.41herlomy fav is 1300 S 700W
16:56.41beandogmapfail.
16:56.44herlobeandog: yes
16:56.49beandogherlo, theres one here?
16:56.50beandogoh freak.
16:56.51wpsthere is a little hole in the wall place by Macey's in Orem on State that rocks though… very authentic
16:56.54herloone on 1200W 400S
16:56.55wpsLa tacaria
16:56.57beandogthere go my thighs.
16:56.59wps(however you spell it)
16:56.59herlobeandog: we should do lunch today
16:57.06beandogherlo, Im going skating for lunch
16:57.09herlolol
16:57.12wpsthey made the guac fresh in a blender right in front of us
16:57.13beandogherlo, tomorrow I can
16:57.15mindjujuwhat i wouldn't give for some popeye's chicken
16:57.16herlobeandog: see how you are
16:57.24beandogherlo, hey man, priorities
16:57.25herlomindjuju: ooh, I love popeyes
16:57.28beandog:)
16:57.31herlobeandog: change 'em around
16:57.39herlothey're just priorities
16:57.47beandogherlo, well I didnt go yesterday, so I'm really anxious to get outside
16:57.50beandog~rain
16:57.51jbotSeattle has too much of it this year!
16:57.54herlomindjuju: if you traveled like me, you could get popeyes :)
16:58.01herlobeandog: true that
16:58.14beandogherlo, wanna go tomorrow?
16:58.17mindjujuherlo - that would be a perk
16:58.25mindjujushould be on the application form for benefits
16:58.34mindjujufor Guru Labs, that is
16:58.35herlobeandog: I gotta go to work tomorrow
16:58.39beandogherlo, well suck.
16:58.42herlomindjuju: it is!
16:59.06herlobeandog: the bosses asked us to come in so we could go shotting
16:59.07herloshooting
16:59.13herloguns that is
16:59.23herlokilling machines, tiny rocket launchers
16:59.35beandogsounds fun
16:59.42herlo</beverlyhillbilliesmusic>
16:59.52beandogwho are you gonna shoot?
17:00.01herlouh
17:00.14herlono, not me, the gun!  Always blame the guns!
17:00.18herlothat's how the democrats do it
17:00.26beandogGuns don't kill people.
17:00.27herlos/d/D/
17:00.27beandogI do.
17:00.36herlobeandog: you're such a Republican
17:00.41beandog~uhf
17:00.42jbotsomebody said uhf was one of the best movies ever made
17:00.50herlolol, I loved that movie
17:00.54beandogherlo, just quoting. :)
17:01.05beandogherlo, actually I prefer the Whig party.
17:01.24beandogwith there fundamentalist ... yanno ... and those weird hats.
17:01.34herlobeandog: I know :)
17:01.41herloyou are quite the rebel!
17:02.10beandogyou know what I found out this year
17:02.16beandogif you dont pay all your taxes, nobody does anything.
17:02.37beandogHmm, I probably shouldn't have said that publically.
17:02.43wpsha ha ha
17:03.04mgearybeandog: just give it a few years
17:03.13beandogheh
17:03.16beandogin prison?
17:03.17mgearyand prepare for interest and penalties
17:03.20mgearyoh no
17:03.28mgearyjust a nice letter and a bill
17:03.46beandogI like getting nice letters
17:03.54beandogespecially when they come in envelopes
17:04.29beandogseriously though, I thought I would have heard SOMETHING from them by now
17:04.37beandogI keep meaning to send another check, but I forget.
17:04.41herlobeandog: being publicly humiliated is fun too!
17:04.46herloby the IRS
17:04.51beandogI did get a letter in the mail on Saturday telling me my stimulus check should be here soon.
17:05.17beandogherlo, all of my humiliation is already public
17:05.49herlobeandog: it is?  where?
17:06.15beandog:)
17:06.29beandogabandon hope all ye who enter here ...
17:06.30herlothe tubes are a great place to start  
17:24.02orsonjhttp://gizmodo.com/380625/body+laptop-wooly-jumper-offers-privacy-warmth-and-a-big-bucket-of-ridicule
17:24.17orsonjin case it is too light to use your laptop
17:25.27orsonjThe one in the bottom picture would be nice in some server rooms though.
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17:33.43mindjuju~apb timinator
17:33.44jbotACTION calls baby Lyssa to spray mace at timinator
17:34.16timinatorya ya.... what's up?!?!
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17:48.35brastomindjuju or wps - what was that cool screenshot app called again?
17:48.49wpsjing
17:48.50mindjujujing
17:56.58brastotx
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18:51.49mindjujuanybody know of a method of stripping security off a pdf?  my understanding is that there are some viewers that odn't respect pdf security, i'm looking for one of those viewers
18:52.34unum_I'm suprised any of the free ones would support security
18:52.55unums/free/Free
18:53.18mindjujui'll have to check them
18:56.11burninghostscript
18:56.17burninsupposedly
19:06.05jsmithpdftk
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19:12.54unumyou'd think they would use encryption if they actually wanted that stuff to work
19:13.34unumof course it's probably pretty difficult to implement an encryption scheme that would be much more effective
19:19.54thebigdogthebigdog could do it
19:28.40wpsthebigdog: I just fielded a call from someone that wants a website built… you want to bid on it?
19:28.59thebigdogwps, yes
19:29.12wpsk… he's supposed to be emailing me a business plan
19:29.14wpsI'll be in touch
19:29.18thebigdogk
19:29.24wpsI'd probably not be involved in this one
19:31.00wpswhat does the acronym XHR in firebug stand for?
19:33.46timinatorI think it's XML HTTP Requests
19:34.34timinatorya
19:34.40thebigdogit is
19:36.00wpsah
19:36.01wpsthanks
19:40.55wpsI have a javascript that is including another javascript
19:44.36wpsthe included one is coming across as text/html instead of text/javascript
19:44.41wpsany ideas on how to fix that?
19:45.52mgearyserver mime type settings?
19:46.04mgearyhow is it doing the include?
19:47.35wpsp.path=window.location.host +"/assets/global/scripts/tracking/tc_logging.js"
19:48.29mgearyand then?
19:48.39mgearyhow does it actually load it?
19:48.43mgearydocument.write() ?
19:48.45wpsI'm looking
19:48.48wps(I didn't write this)
19:49.48wpsah… I think I might have found it
19:50.00wpsit's dynamically writing in…
19:50.00wps<script language=\"jav"
19:50.00wps+"ascript\" src=\"'+document.location.protocol+'//'+p.path+'\"></scrip"
19:50.00wps+"t>
19:50.20wpsperhaps it's as simple as adding a  type="text/javascript" to that
19:50.36mgearylocation.protocol? hmm, i'm not familiar with that
19:50.46mgearyoh
19:50.48mgearythat's just http
19:51.03mgearyyeah, try adding that type
19:53.09thebigdogwps, use type instead of lange
19:53.36wpsshould I change lang to type or just add type also?
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20:23.05thebigdogreplace lang with type
20:23.10thebigdoglang is deprecated
20:26.04_psychic_dataw0lf: you own that?
20:27.02_psychic_whois confirms it
20:27.04_psychic_that's cool
20:27.47dataw0lf:D
20:27.59mindjujusup dataw0lf
20:28.02dataw0lfalias truedat me points at his hostname ;-)
20:28.07dataw0lfsup dude
20:28.24mindjujuwow
20:28.37mindjujutruedat.com goes to blackbooksdirect?
20:28.55mindjujuthat's funny
20:28.57dataw0lfI guess.
20:29.34mindjujucool url
20:29.57dataw0lfanyone heard the Obadiah Parker cover of Hey Ya?
20:30.18dataw0lfhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-8nkkOA_AM
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20:54.08macnewbolddepends how much change you want...
20:57.36_psychic_dataw0lf: bought it on itunes a while ago
20:57.41_psychic_I like a cover that brings a new element to the sog
20:57.43_psychic_*song
20:58.02_psychic_especially if it's not a cover of something that is not-to-be-covered
20:58.05dataw0lf_psychic_: yea just got their album off of what.cd, really digging it.
20:58.56dataw0lf;-)
20:59.48_psychic_I'm also becoming a mashup fan
21:00.03_psychic_1. free music 2. makes all the songs that sound the same sound good in one song
21:02.12dataw0lfugh
21:02.23_psychic_(some)
21:05.03wpswhat's the difference between text/javascript and application/javascript?
21:07.13_psychic_browser support, I'm guessin
21:07.15_psychic_g
21:09.30DexterTheDragontext is the old one application is the new one
21:09.51DexterTheDragonalthough I don't think IE supports application/javascript
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21:24.54mgearythat would be astonishing
21:28.42mindjujuanybody know of a way to fill out a pdf using php variables ?
21:29.16mgeary"why, yes"
21:29.51mindjujuway cool!
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21:35.36mgearywell, we've built a whole, fairly complex web app around that
21:35.55brasto~anticipa
21:36.03brasto~wiki anticipa
21:36.34brastoah... mindjuju meant anticipation...
21:37.48mgearyno, anticipa is a county in southern utah
21:37.50mindjujuwell, actually i did mean antipa (as a tribute to some song from the rocky horror picture show that i heard once)
21:38.15mindjujuwhere frank n furter says antipa...  ... ... ...  ... ... tion
21:38.26mindjujuhe just holds the note for a way long time
21:41.10mgearysorry, back
21:42.03mgearyso, mindjuju, didn't mean to be snarky, but we've got some commercial stuff that we sell that leverages dynamic pdf modifications and such
21:42.21mgearywhat's the nature of what you're doing?
21:43.22mindjujuit's just a web based form that should produce a pdf
21:43.27mindjujuright now, it's just the one form
21:44.19mgearyso you are, or are not, starting with a PDF? I mean, if you just want to create a PDF on-the-fly, you could use things like pdflib (if you like pain), or htmldoc
21:44.30mindjujui'm thinking though (in looking at cole joplin's present on dynamic pdf) that i might use fpdf to create the pdf on the file where i create the pdf and insert the contents at time of process
21:45.07mindjujuwell, i was going to make a PDF and put in pdf- form elements and hoped there was a way to interact with PHP
21:45.11mindjujubut sounds like not
21:45.25mgearythere is
21:45.32mgearybut it's not free
22:11.27timinatorso, how would one strip the audio out of a video and save it as an mp3?
22:11.47unumavifile?
22:12.34timinatorwas FLA, converted to mp4 using isquint
22:14.06mgearytiminator: QuickTime Pro
22:14.56timinatorno tango
22:15.09timinator:)
22:15.34timinatorno biggie
22:16.49mgearydoesn't ffmpeg do it as well?
22:17.02mgearypretty sure it does
22:17.22mgearybtw, if you're on a mac, you can use Perian to open FLV videos directly in QT, without converting them
22:18.55mgearyhttp://perian.org/
22:18.57mgearyvery cool
22:19.16mgearyand QT Pro is, imo, very worth the $30
22:52.28beandoghmm
22:52.32beandogacid refux is not fun to have.
22:52.37beandoger, reflux, either.
22:53.49xilch|wThe former seems worse to me.
22:55.19beandognow if I had an acid reflux capacitor
22:55.26beandogthen I could have stomacheaches from the 40s
22:55.35mgearyxilch|w: ahahahahahahahahahaha
22:56.03mgearyjbot, xilch|w has a dirty mind
22:57.06xilch|wmgeary: takes one to know one, right?
22:57.11mgearyapparently so
23:15.08mgearyanyone here have any experience finding/hiring interns?
23:15.50mgearywe tend to get a fair bit of more-or-less grunt work through the doors.
23:16.17mgearystuff that has to be done, but has a low skill threshold. Wastes the time of our expensive people
23:17.28dataw0lfwe're actually looking for interns right now.
23:17.32dataw0lfmostly journalists though.
23:18.14mgearywhere are you looking?
23:18.34mgearyour stuff is mostly content management at some level
23:18.36dataw0lfUniversity of Nevada and a couple Cali schools
23:23.24mgeary~give timinator a life
23:23.25jbotACTION gives a life to timinator
23:23.29timinatorLOL
23:23.42timinatorso, I pull out my keyboard, and I pull out my Glock
23:24.16timinatorLOL
23:25.14*** join/#uphpu kingsol (n=kingsol@64.0.192.29)
23:25.24timinatoranyway... I'm out.... later guys
23:27.10kingsolfor those still around... does anyone have insight on if it would be worth while to migrate a db connection class to use mysqli vs mysql
23:29.16DexterTheDragononly if your going to use the features that mysqli has over mysql
23:37.15kingsolspeed is the only thing I am after
23:37.25kingsolfunctionaly, what we are doing is working great
23:38.21macnewboldI don't think mysqli is any faster than mysql
23:38.38macnewboldin fact, often additional features cause a slowdown, sometimes even when you're not using them
23:38.41mgearyprobably not signficantly so
23:44.38xilch|wI have a table that is returning 0 rows when it should return 4 of I do an ORDER BY date_field DESC
23:44.57xilch|wASC, or no ORDER BY work fine.
23:45.30mgearythe # of rows changes when you specify an ORDER BY ??!
23:45.38xilch|wFun eh?
23:45.39mgearythat makes zero sense
23:46.11mgearyyou get this when you pass the query directly to the mysql> client?
23:46.16xilch|wOnly if it is DESC though.  
23:46.21xilch|wYup.
23:46.30xilch|wWell, let me check that.
23:46.41xilch|wNot straight from the client.
23:46.55xilch|wBut my app, and phpmyadmin have the same behavior.
23:47.05mgearypastebin the query
23:47.18kingsolthanks everyone.  that is helpful
23:48.11xilch|whttp://pastebin.org/39032
23:49.29mgearyhuh. nothing stands out.
23:49.30xilch|wnote_date is a mySQL date field.
23:49.34xilch|wYeah, weird.
23:49.34mgearymaybe you've got a messed-up index
23:49.42mgearyis ther ean index on note_date?
23:49.47xilch|wI just thought you guys would enjoy it.  :)
23:49.56mgearyif so, delete it and re-try the query
23:50.11xilch|wIt lives in some multi-column indexes.
23:50.14xilch|wI'll try it.
23:51.46xilch|wYup, bad index.
23:51.53xilch|wGood call mgeary.

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