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| 01:44.28 | tierra | I can't even think of a reason you would want to do that... that could be destructive depending on what kind of development is being done |
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| 13:27.17 | mindjuju | ~lart mornings |
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| 15:14.17 | DexterTheDragon | welcome everyone to friday part 2 |
| 15:14.38 | wps | part two? |
| 15:14.54 | DexterTheDragon | everyone of course enjoyed part 1 yesterday |
| 15:15.05 | mindjuju | oh, with everybody going to Indy? |
| 15:15.25 | DexterTheDragon | no yestesday just felt like friday |
| 15:15.41 | DexterTheDragon | and now today is some weird extra day |
| 15:17.04 | mindjuju | though my carpool driver did have to leave early, thus i left the office at 2p, and finished out the day at home |
| 15:23.05 | herlo | mindjuju: carpooling these days ey? |
| 15:23.34 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 15:23.50 | mindjuju | mr nocturnal has shifted to mr morning |
| 15:23.54 | mindjuju | but i still hate the sun |
| 15:24.01 | herlo | the daystar is evil! |
| 15:24.18 | mindjuju | yeah, no doubt |
| 15:24.23 | mindjuju | where are you these days? |
| 15:24.26 | herlo | it will burn you if you let it |
| 15:24.36 | herlo | philly, landing tonight at 8pm |
| 15:24.57 | mindjuju | been in Philly once |
| 15:27.47 | herlo | its a nice town. I'm actually in King of Prussia, about 45 minutes West |
| 15:28.59 | herlo | but I'm heading down to Philly today, and on the way, I'm gonna get me a cheesesteak! |
| 15:30.21 | mindjuju | fo sho |
| 15:31.29 | herlo | :) how ar things at BGM? |
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| 15:32.21 | mindjuju | well, i've moved attention / effort from BGM so that I can finish the house these last couple of weeks |
| 15:32.29 | mindjuju | we should be able to move in this next week |
| 15:35.34 | herlo | nice |
| 15:35.45 | herlo | I thought you were all moved in already |
| 15:35.55 | herlo | let me know if you need help moving, I'm in town next week |
| 15:35.59 | mindjuju | well, moved out |
| 15:36.06 | mindjuju | stuff scattered in trailers |
| 15:36.10 | mindjuju | renovating the house |
| 15:36.12 | mindjuju | then move in |
| 15:36.18 | mindjuju | a way longer process than i thought |
| 15:36.20 | mindjuju | but good |
| 15:38.13 | Utah_Dave | herlo: I spent 2 weeks in Philly a few months ago |
| 15:38.18 | Utah_Dave | A coworker is there right now |
| 15:38.44 | Utah_Dave | I had the best cheesesteak evar at some little hole in the wall that a local recommended |
| 15:39.18 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I know! |
| 15:39.27 | herlo | Utah_Dave: was it Pat's? |
| 15:40.56 | Utah_Dave | No, it was something like Dave's BBQ or something. |
| 15:41.08 | Utah_Dave | It was in an old run down part of town that I wouldn't walk through at night |
| 15:41.25 | Utah_Dave | It really was an amazing sandwich |
| 15:42.20 | herlo | ooh, nice. If you ever find out where, I go to philly occasionally |
| 15:42.35 | Utah_Dave | I can find out. I'll call my coworker real quick |
| 15:45.23 | mindjuju | ugh, just not well motivated today |
| 15:45.31 | mindjuju | need some killer music to fire up my brain |
| 15:47.55 | mgeary | ~slacker mindjuju |
| 15:48.02 | mindjuju | today i am |
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| 15:51.43 | herlo | Utah_Dave: if you want, that'd be cool but its okay if you can't or don't wanna |
| 15:53.18 | Utah_Dave | I just got off the phone with him. The guys there didn't take him to that shop. So he doesn't know the name |
| 15:53.58 | mindjuju | ~lart Utah_Dave and his mystery restaurant |
| 15:53.58 | jbot | pries Utah_Dave and his mystery restaurant's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to Utah_Dave and his mystery restaurant |
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| 15:55.07 | herlo | Utah_Dave: oh, nw |
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| 15:56.05 | herlo | thanks for checking |
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| 16:06.49 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 16:06.49 | jbot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
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| 16:11.45 | unum | ~brucefact |
| 16:11.53 | mindjuju | i should have one |
| 16:11.53 | unum | darn |
| 16:11.57 | mindjuju | i don't think they make them though |
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| 16:12.37 | unum | http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/ |
| 16:12.58 | mgeary | unum: that's awesome |
| 16:13.06 | mgeary | bruce schneier++ |
| 16:13.12 | mindjuju | unum - this should satisfy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKAeyUS91I8 (the song has some language) |
| 16:16.14 | unum | wrong bruce! |
| 16:16.33 | unum | Bruce Schneier doesn't need a radio. He can just listens to 'cat /dev/random >/dev/audio' to find out what's going on anywhere in the world. |
| 16:16.43 | unum | that one is one of my favorites |
| 16:17.19 | unum | Bruce Schneier feeds Schrödinger's cat on his back porch. Without opening the box. |
| 16:17.30 | unum | sorry, I can't share them with one at work |
| 16:17.46 | unum | and I want to share them.... |
| 16:18.10 | mgeary | surprised there aren't any squid references in those |
| 16:18.14 | mgeary | haven't seen any, anyway |
| 16:18.24 | unum | http://www.phobe.com/s_cat/s_cat.html |
| 16:18.28 | unum | mgeary: good point |
| 16:19.10 | unum | I haven't seen any either |
| 16:34.08 | thebigdog | http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/130 |
| 16:44.22 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: that awesome |
| 16:44.57 | thebigdog | hehe that is so funny i love the shirts on the site too for sale |
| 16:45.30 | orsonj | There are only two kinds of security. Security that keeps your brother out, security that keeps the government out and security that keeps Bruce Schneier out. |
| 16:47.27 | orsonj | Bruce Schneier hashes his incoming email just to keep things interesting. (Couldn't find that one on the site, but I still like it.) |
| 16:47.41 | beandog | isn't that three? |
| 16:48.10 | herlo | bruce schneier rules! |
| 16:48.12 | orsonj | yes, but there are only two kinds of security |
| 16:48.22 | orsonj | The third is just a reminder |
| 16:50.53 | beandog | your mom is Bruce Scheiner |
| 16:53.55 | unum | I wish |
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| 17:17.44 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you around? |
| 17:20.21 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
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| 17:32.20 | Utah_Dave | I guess thebigdog was just curious |
| 17:35.13 | thebigdog | hehe i chatted with him |
| 17:35.14 | mgeary | or they're having a furious private msg exchange |
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| 17:37.53 | beandog | in seekrit |
| 17:38.01 | beandog | theyre going to hire each other. |
| 17:38.38 | thebigdog | im too expensive |
| 17:39.51 | beandog | how much to mow my lawn? |
| 17:40.10 | thebigdog | $200/hr and it will take me 4 hours |
| 17:40.16 | thebigdog | minimum |
| 17:40.24 | beandog | https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=223367 |
| 17:41.15 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:41.32 | thebigdog | now i know why my gentoo system is not running efficiently |
| 17:41.46 | thebigdog | it lacks neighbors of the XX chrom type |
| 17:42.40 | beandog | heh |
| 17:43.15 | Utah_Dave | I guess we won't be seeing thebigdog for 2 or 3 days, since he's building a new Gentoo box |
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| 17:45.04 | thebigdog | well it is a killer machine...so it might take me 1.5 days |
| 17:49.22 | beandog | actually I can get a running gentoo box installed from scratch in about 45 minutes. |
| 17:49.45 | beandog | it's not up to date, but neither would be any binary package release either. |
| 17:50.40 | beandog | download the stage tarball, download the portage snapshot, unpack em, build a kernel, build a bootloader, build a dhcp client and reboot and yer done. |
| 17:51.13 | Utah_Dave | beandog: maybe you could present on it? |
| 17:51.30 | beandog | Utah_Dave, sho |
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| 18:10.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Using "impress" in the old naval sense of the word. |
| 18:13.17 | Utah_Dave | Well, I'm off to a matinee showing of Indiana Jones. |
| 18:13.30 | Utah_Dave | My wife suggested we go! I've got a cool wife. |
| 18:13.34 | Utah_Dave | Later, everyone |
| 18:13.38 | mindjuju | cya! |
| 18:14.32 | mgeary | ~give 3 kids to Utah_Dave |
| 18:14.33 | jbot | ACTION gives kids to Utah_Dave to 3 |
| 18:14.37 | mgeary | bah |
| 18:14.44 | mgeary | ~give Utah_Dave 3 kids |
| 18:14.44 | jbot | ACTION gives 3 kids to Utah_Dave |
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| 18:23.47 | bradym | anyone good with shell scripts? |
| 18:24.28 | mgeary | what do you want to do? |
| 18:24.51 | bradym | i want to run a function with the date as an argument for the last 30 days.. so in a loop.. |
| 18:26.48 | fungus | hrm, date manipulation in a shell script. ick. |
| 18:27.04 | mgeary | use python |
| 18:27.16 | mgeary | or even php |
| 18:27.26 | mgeary | 'cause yeah, dates in bash == pain |
| 18:27.34 | beandog | I just use find |
| 18:27.48 | beandog | er, but that only works with files / dirs, obviously. |
| 18:27.53 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:27.54 | fungus | look into using the date command command |
| 18:27.54 | beandog | find . -type f -mtime -30 |
| 18:29.42 | fungus | eg. date -d "2008-05-23 11:00:00" +%s |
| 18:30.03 | fungus | that yields the unix timestamp for a given date |
| 18:30.16 | fungus | manipulating timestamps is much easier |
| 18:31.21 | bradym | ok, thanks guys... was asking for a co-worker and he's gonna take a different route |
| 18:32.03 | fungus | and converting back from a timestamp can be "date -d '@1186293600' +%Y-%m-%d" |
| 18:32.18 | fungus | Yeah, better to go a different route. |
| 18:32.41 | beandog | hmm this is odd |
| 18:32.45 | beandog | you can't chown a symlink? |
| 18:33.30 | fungus | add a -h option |
| 18:33.42 | fungus | that makes chown affect the symlink itself, and not the destination |
| 18:33.59 | beandog | hey hey |
| 18:34.02 | beandog | fungus ftw |
| 18:35.26 | beandog | crap now I gotta do the same for chmod. |
| 18:36.39 | fungus | chmod never changes the permissions of symbolic links; the chmod system call cannot change their permissions. |
| 18:36.48 | fungus | This is not a problem |
| 18:36.49 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.28 | beandog | rawr |
| 18:37.33 | beandog | Im just gonna have to delete them then |
| 18:37.34 | beandog | or something |
| 18:38.06 | fungus | Why? permissions have no effect on symlinks. No need to fix them. |
| 18:38.18 | fungus | fix permissions on the destination. |
| 18:38.21 | beandog | fungus, well heres the problem |
| 18:38.29 | beandog | fungus, I have a symlink to a directory in a /home/ directory |
| 18:38.39 | beandog | normally, anyone outside of that user couldn't browse to /home/foo/whatever |
| 18:38.48 | beandog | but with the symlink (even chowned to the correct user), and user still can. |
| 18:39.02 | beandog | defeating the whole approach of only this user can access those files. |
| 18:39.19 | beandog | I only need the symlinks for legacy scripts, etc |
| 18:39.25 | beandog | could probably do without them if I had to |
| 18:40.27 | fungus | So your worried about a security risk of users creating symlinks to get access to other users files? |
| 18:40.50 | beandog | no, Im not worried about creating more symlinks. Any user can already see the files. |
| 18:40.56 | beandog | because of the symlink |
| 18:41.21 | beandog | So I have /var/foo pointing to /home/bar/foo |
| 18:41.30 | beandog | obviously, no users can go to /home/bar |
| 18:41.40 | beandog | but they can all browse to /var/foo and see the data. |
| 18:42.05 | fungus | right, because the permissions on /home/bar/foo allow it. |
| 18:42.24 | fungus | If you want to restrict /home/bar/foo, restrict it there, at the destinations. |
| 18:42.34 | beandog | hmm |
| 18:42.38 | beandog | the perms should be right. |
| 18:42.50 | beandog | or not. |
| 18:43.22 | fungus | just because /home/bar restricts reading from everyone, doesn't mean subfolders can be publicly viewable. |
| 18:43.37 | fungus | Eg. public_html |
| 18:43.38 | beandog | fungus, so 0700 on the main directory then |
| 18:43.44 | beandog | er, main subdirectory |
| 18:43.57 | fungus | 0700 in the main directory means they can't read or change *to* that directory |
| 18:44.21 | fungus | a subfolder of that with a mode of 0755 will allow everyone to read and change to the subfolder. |
| 18:44.47 | beandog | which is what it was. o k |
| 18:45.08 | fungus | Just know that unix permissions are *not* recursive, and don't affect each other. |
| 18:45.12 | beandog | right |
| 18:45.13 | beandog | that's fine. |
| 18:45.18 | beandog | I'm only worried about the local filesystem. |
| 18:45.29 | beandog | for that one directory |
| 18:45.43 | beandog | er, wahtever. if that didnt make sense. |
| 18:46.16 | fungus | Just restrict access at the source, not the symlink. and ignore permissions of it's predecessors. |
| 18:46.25 | beandog | right |
| 18:46.26 | beandog | got it |
| 18:46.27 | beandog | thanks fungus |
| 18:46.28 | beandog | :) |
| 18:46.31 | fungus | np |
| 18:46.31 | beandog | that works perfectly. |
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| 19:11.30 | mgeary | ~superslacker mindjuju |
| 19:12.13 | mindjuju | hey, i've done some good work today |
| 19:12.16 | mindjuju | still have tons to do |
| 19:12.37 | mindjuju | anyhow, Grumpy Old Men is way good movie |
| 19:31.08 | thebigdog | mindjuju, |
| 19:40.22 | mgeary | oooh, that's a good-un |
| 19:42.49 | herlo | not rly |
| 19:44.19 | thebigdog | ~fart herlo |
| 19:44.20 | jbot | ACTION farts in herlo's general direction |
| 19:44.29 | herlo | hey! |
| 19:44.54 | thebigdog | ~tunafart herlo |
| 19:44.55 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to herlo, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 19:45.21 | herlo | ~simpsons thebigdog |
| 19:45.22 | jbot | ACTION sends thebigdog chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!" |
| 19:45.36 | thebigdog | hehe |
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| 20:46.03 | beandog | so who left work early? |
| 20:46.11 | beandog | good thing I'm loyal. |
| 20:46.20 | beandog | heh |
| 20:46.27 | beandog | actually Im dying to go home and play this new game |
| 20:46.51 | beandog | ~writhe |
| 20:48.00 | mgeary | what game? |
| 20:48.05 | herlo | beandog: you should do it!! |
| 20:49.30 | beandog | mgeary, burnout paradise |
| 20:49.42 | mgeary | uhhh. ok, ok. |
| 20:49.46 | mgeary | i mean |
| 20:49.47 | mgeary | kk |
| 20:50.22 | mindjuju | i love burnout |
| 20:53.36 | PoeticIntensity | BURNOUT! |
| 20:53.44 | PoeticIntensity | you never told me you had burnout, beandog!!! |
| 20:53.46 | PoeticIntensity | I love that game... |
| 20:53.52 | PoeticIntensity | last one I played was Burnout Revenge. |
| 20:53.59 | PoeticIntensity | a-ma-zing. |
| 20:54.02 | PoeticIntensity | brb |
| 20:54.52 | beandog | mindjuju, is fun |
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| 21:06.37 | thebigdog | what is up with heritage web solutions...man they dont pay at all |
| 21:12.49 | timinator | heritage web solutions? |
| 21:12.58 | timinator | they don't like to pay their bills? |
| 21:15.34 | mgeary | i believe thebigdog is talking about wages |
| 21:15.52 | mgeary | hey, help me out a sec, can't remember how to determine whether a given object inherits a given class |
| 21:16.08 | thebigdog | mgeary, their wages are low |
| 21:16.19 | mgeary | seems like you do something like: if ($obj is "someclass") |
| 21:16.23 | mgeary | but that's not quite it |
| 21:19.54 | mgeary | aha |
| 21:19.55 | mgeary | instanceof |
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| 22:05.57 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: I just read heritage web solution's last email |
| 22:06.10 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:06.37 | Utah_Dave | They must have screwed up when sending the email. $25/hr ~= 10,000 to 30,000 a year |
| 22:06.54 | Utah_Dave | I think 10 to 30 a year must be the default on the dropdown |
| 22:07.04 | mgeary | don't think they screwed up |
| 22:07.12 | mgeary | 10-30 for PHP dev, $25/hour for DB |
| 22:07.17 | mgeary | is my guess |
| 22:07.32 | mgeary | hm. maybe not, now that i see it again |
| 22:09.16 | thebigdog | yeah it is crazy |
| 22:24.57 | timinator | I'm out.... later guys |
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| 22:38.34 | beandog | wb |
| 22:41.54 | beandog | why are hdmi cables so expensive |
| 22:41.59 | beandog | why do my armpits smell like onions |
| 22:42.02 | beandog | the world is out to get me. |
| 22:42.25 | Utah_Dave | they're not expensive if you don't get them from Circuit City and places like that |
| 22:42.48 | beandog | whoops. |
| 22:43.21 | beandog | I thought $120 for a 1 meter cable was a bargain |
| 22:46.05 | beandog | I'm actually a sucker for quality cables. |
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| 22:50.14 | PoeticIntensity | wow, beandog |
| 22:59.22 | Utah_Dave | beandog: because hdmi is digital it doesn't make sense to pay a ton of money |
| 22:59.27 | Utah_Dave | if it works, it works. |
| 22:59.45 | Utah_Dave | Spending more money won't get you better quality, unlike with analog cables |
| 23:00.37 | beandog | but if I spend more money |
| 23:00.40 | beandog | Ill have peace of mind |
| 23:01.03 | beandog | there's nothing like bankruptcy to put your mind at ease. |
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