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02:46.09SunSparcWho was it here that owns/belongs to CodeGreene?
02:46.17wpsMac Newbold
02:46.31wps(owner)
02:46.45wpsI think a few of other CodeGreen employees also hang in here
02:46.49wpsas well
02:47.00SunSparcAh, yes, that is right.  Mac.
02:47.01SunSparcThanks
02:47.36SunSparcI am trying to put together a list of contractors/developers and agencies that I can use to refer clients to.  Of course, you are on it also.
02:47.45SunSparcDoes uphpu.com already have that?
02:48.01SunSparcs/.com/.org
02:49.44wpsnow
02:50.08wpssome of the ones on the UGAF list are also dev shops, if that helps:
02:50.09wpshttp://ugaf.org/resources/
02:50.59SunSparcHmm, good call.
02:51.53wpswhen I dumped my database, I used mysqldump --all-databases
02:52.04wpsI don't see the same flag for importing it back in though
02:58.43SunSparcYeah, there is not
02:59.02SunSparcAlthough, you may be able to do multiple databases like you do a single
02:59.05wpslooks like it worked to just < it in without specifying a DB
02:59.16SunSparcmysql -u user -p database < database.sql
02:59.21SunSparcCool
02:59.27wpsI did…
02:59.38wpsmysql -u user -p < multiple_databases_dump.sql
02:59.45SunSparcGood to know it works.
02:59.54SunSparcOne more thing to add to the KB
03:00.04SunSparcWe could use a resources page on the uphpu site
03:00.21wpsyeah… I should do the same thing on uphpu.org that I did on ugaf.org
03:00.22SunSparcAlthough, I just remembered that plug has a pretty good list also
03:00.30SunSparcYeah
03:00.31SunSparchttp://plug.org/companies
03:00.35wpsI would be happy to put it up if you want to collect it
03:00.58SunSparcI could help start it.  And we could add to it as people suggest more.
03:01.30wpsI like how the UGAF one is broken out by local orgs, national orgs, studios, schools, and agencies
03:01.38SunSparcHmm, maybe I will just do a "calling all contractors" message some lists.
03:01.53SunSparcYeah, they did a pretty good job.
03:02.45SunSparcbrasto got top billing on their contractor page:  http://plug.org/profile/profile_contractor_box
03:03.10wpsthat's convenient
03:03.34SunSparc:)
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03:11.08wps~Midorikawa
03:11.27wpsyou're a moose?
03:14.34Midorikawaheh
03:14.40Midorikawaof sorts I suppose
03:14.42Midorikawa:-P
03:15.05wpsjbot, welcome the moose
03:15.06jbotGood to see you, the moose!
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14:56.35SunSparcAlmost enough.
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15:18.18Utah_Davejbot, give mindjuju $1,000,000
15:18.19jbotACTION gives $1,000,000 to mindjuju
15:20.24mindjujuthx!
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15:26.17SunSparcwps:  There are a couple local agencies on the UGAF resource list that have changed.
15:26.39wpssend me an email and I will update the list
15:26.44wpsadmin@ugaf.org
15:26.47wpsthanks for the note
15:26.49SunSparcOk
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16:05.11beandogoh what a beautiful morning!
16:05.16beandogla la la la la la
16:05.20beandogit's never too early for showtunes.
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16:06.00mindjuju~lart beandog and his showtunes
16:06.00jbotwhips out a shotgun, trudges over to beandog and his showtunes, and goes postal
16:06.06DexterTheDragonactually its *always* too early for showtunes
16:06.17mindjujuexcept for, of course
16:06.21beandogyou guys just hate me.  admit it.
16:06.23beandogwhere's the love.
16:06.33mindjujuBless her beautiful hide, from Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
16:06.37beandognow_playing[Gene De Paul, Saul Chaplin - Seven Brides for Seven Brothers - Main Title] length[0:02/2:12]
16:06.40jsmithbeandog: That reminds me of a trick I used to play with my boss... I'd set the ringtone on my phone to something like the Smurfs theme, and then call my phone.  My boss would be humming the tune all morning
16:06.45mindjujuit's always a good time for that song
16:27.27mindjujuanybody here use swobjects.js ?
16:27.31mindjujucan give me quick hand?
16:30.33mgearyI DO
16:31.48mindjujuawesome!  i just realized i'm using an older version of swfobject.js
16:31.58mindjujugoing to see if by updating my code works, give me like 2 secs
16:32.01mindjujuthx for helping!
16:32.21mgearyi'm not sure yet if i'm fully on board with what they've done in this most recent version
16:32.35mgearygoing all-DOM
16:37.24mindjujumgeary, it's still giving me the error - here is pastebin - http://www.pastebin.ca/1024954
16:37.28mindjujuquick question though
16:37.42mindjujui'm calling a flash movie player into a browser, but from a CD
16:37.58mindjujui know that there are different rules when playing swf files from a local source
16:38.02mindjujuis that what is causing this?
16:38.54mindjujuand if so, is there a way to embed an swf, from a local source, and not ahve it throw that error?
16:39.14mgearywhat error is it throwing?
16:40.18mindjujuthe IE error (about active scripting) - To help protect your security, Internet Explorer has restricted this webpage from running scripts or activex controls that could access your computer.  click here for options
16:41.01mgearydoes it work as expected on FF?
16:41.04DexterTheDragonfix: Don't use IE
16:41.22mindjujuFF works like a champ
16:41.54mindjujudexterthedragon, since this is being played locally, it'll hit what ever browser is the default browser
16:42.09mindjuju95% of my clients are IE users
16:43.35mgeary95% of everyone's clients are IE users, it seems
16:43.46DexterTheDragonmindjuju: what version of swfobject are you using?
16:44.48mindjujuthought it was the newest, but i see there is a newer one at google code, so i'm grabbing / installing 2.0
16:45.10mgearyi wouldn't
16:45.50mindjujuyeah, just testing their sample page
16:45.55mindjujuit comes up with the same violation!
16:47.32DexterTheDragonmindjuju: The 'click to activate' thing is an IE security thing
16:47.52DexterTheDragonits just the way IE views security
16:48.14DexterTheDragonthere is a way using things like swfobject to get around it
16:48.32DexterTheDragonyou just have to load the swf differently
16:49.03DexterTheDragonhttp://www.swffix.org/swfobject/testsuite/test_dynamic.html
16:49.15DexterTheDragonmindjuju: does that page get the error in IE?
16:50.07mindjujudexterthedragon, that page loads fine, but i think if i try to load it locally, it won't
16:50.10mindjujugive me a sec to test
16:51.23mgearymindjuju: does your SWF need local script access?
16:51.31mgearyis it going to run javascripts?
16:51.34mgearyor just play media
16:52.01mgearythough it seems like if it does want to access local media, there's a preference you have to set
16:53.05mindjujuwell, the CD has some FLVs that are large
16:53.12mindjujuthough i could try to load the JS from a remote source
16:53.14mindjujusee if that works
16:53.37mgearyno
16:53.43mgearythat won't matter
16:53.54mindjujubummer
16:54.11mindjujuis it the swf from local that is prob?
16:54.17mgearyyes
16:54.24mgearyit's that it's local and trying to access local media
16:54.34mgearyone sec
16:56.38mgearythis describes what you're seeing, i believe: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/articles/fplayer8_security.html
17:00.34beandoganyone know a good resource for creating atom.xml files
17:01.34beandogIm having a hard time finding anything that gives the correct format
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18:01.32Utah_Davemindjuju: there was a project out there that runs apache and mysql from your CD
18:01.59Utah_DaveSo you can set up your multimedia applications with a little web server like you want to do
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18:19.28mgearyor you could use Director
18:21.10mindjujuwell, i found that camtasia had the thing figured out, so i'm in the process of hacking there stuff to work for mine
18:21.13mindjujuin the home stretch
18:21.26mindjujuwhat i wouldn't give though to understand how their player is jumping over the restrictions
18:24.22SunSparc"What I wouldn't give for a holocaust cloak."
18:25.32mindjujuwell, what did you do with the one you got from the Albino?
18:26.04SunSparcThe wheelbarrow?  I put it with he Albino, I think.
18:27.05mindjujuoh wait, you're right
18:27.12mindjujuthey got the cloak from mad max
18:27.18mindjujuor, er, miracle max
18:27.32SunSparcIt fit me so welll, he said I could keep it.
18:28.27SunSparcI love that movie.  Although, naturally the book was better.
18:28.50SunSparcI am glad I watched the movie first, because I still like the movie.
18:36.09mgearyyou should always watch the movie first, that way you're only ever pleasantly surprised, rather than ticked off
18:36.24mgeary'course, it influences how you imagine people and places to be
18:36.36mindjujuv true, that's how I did Neverending Story
18:36.42mindjujuquite shocked at the difference
18:37.01mindjujuyup, got me there
18:37.11beandogcmon mindjuju
18:37.19beandogyou know Neverending Story II was a masterpiece.
18:37.19mindjujui know, i sux
18:37.25mindjujunever saw
18:37.34mgearywell, mindjuju, now that you're a UV resident, you can come over sometime and borrow the book
18:37.48SunSparcNeverending Store II ?  I never bothered to watch it.
18:37.56beandogSunSparc, believe me, don't.
18:38.02mgearyyeah, it's awful
18:38.09SunSparclol, I will take your word for it
18:38.16SunSparcMost sequels are not worth the time.
18:38.16mgearythough it is reasonably true to the book, strangely enough
18:38.16beandogits incredibly bad.
18:38.37mindjujuthe real question is... is it par with most Disney sequels?
18:38.49SunSparcI showed Neverending Story to my kids the other day.  They actually enjoyed it.
18:38.58mgeary#1 is fun
18:39.09mgearyArtax! No, fight it, Artax!
18:39.10SunSparcI love Disney movies and I still won't do their sequels.
18:39.23mgearyFight the sadness!
18:39.29beandogheh
18:39.58mindjujuhad to watch part of Little Mermaid 2 while babysitting neice
18:39.59SunSparcI was surprised how little dialog their is in that movie.
18:40.06mindjujuthat was terrible
18:40.08SunSparcIt has been a while since I last saw it.
18:40.33beandogSleeping Beauty is the best disney movie evah.
18:40.56mindjujubeauty and beast twas pretty good
18:41.04mindjujucourse, there is also Emperor new groove
18:41.08beandogah yes.
18:41.17beandoglet me guess, you have a great personality
18:41.19SunSparcSleeping Beauty is classic.  Although, I was watching that the other day also and it seems to be just another version of Snow White.
18:41.26beandoggasp!
18:41.39beandogSnow White is *horrible*
18:41.44beandogand nothing like Sleeping Beauty
18:41.50beandogyou insensitive heathen
18:41.52SunSparcSeriously though, the storylines are very similar.
18:42.24SunSparcSimilar main characters, similar plot, similar ending.
18:42.48mgearydon't blame Disney for that, those are oooooold stories
18:42.54SunSparcBoth wake with a kiss from their true loves that they have only met once.
18:43.08beandogoh man
18:43.13SunSparcOf course.  Nothing is original these days.
18:43.21beandogI cant stand snow white
18:43.39mindjujuPOW! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
18:44.23SunSparcbeandog: you have to give Disney some credit for Snow White since it was their first feature length animation.
18:44.43beandognope, sucks.
18:44.46beandogfail.
18:44.51beandog:)
18:44.54SunSparclol
18:45.15SunSparcmindjuju, I have an idea that involves a very large wooden badger...
18:46.07mindjujuok, for those of you who do not know what the MP : Spanish Inquisition is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A
18:46.21mgearyno, Lancelot, Galahad and I wait until dark, and then sneak OUT of the rabbit and take the occupants of the castle by surprise
18:46.28mgearys/no/now/
18:50.17mindjujui liked it best when it was free
18:50.26SunSparcYep
18:50.31SunSparcI actually used it back then
18:50.36SunSparcWhat are you going to do?  Bleed on me?
18:54.43mgearyyeah, i liked the free version
18:54.45mgeary:/
18:54.49mgearybut client pays == free
18:54.54SunSparc:)
18:59.45SunSparc'client pays' == free but 'client pays' !== free
19:00.38SunSparcTANSTAAFL
19:00.48SunSparc~tanstaafl
19:00.49jbotrumour has it, tanstaafl is "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch", from Robert A. Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"  Heinlein, "The cat who walks through walls"
19:04.27SunSparcFree is this sense is often a misnomer.
19:05.53SunSparcFirst you need to define what "free" means.
19:06.04mindjujuwell, sure
19:06.34SunSparcbrb, going to BK for a limited time Indiana Jones Burger....
19:06.44jnbeklol
19:06.50mindjujuif you feasted on meteorites, and were fortunate to have it land right in your mouth, then that would qualify
19:07.04mindjujuas it required no effort to produce, no effort to collect or prepare
19:08.58mindjujubrb
19:29.52mgearyso, i'm forced to ask again, is anyone aware of a way i can find out what MX records USED to be on a domain that has since changed nameservers?
19:30.14mgearya client just changed their nameservers to ours, and now they're freaking out because they can't access their old imap accounts
19:30.49mgearyif there was a nameserver with a super long TTL, i could query it, but i don't know of any
19:32.04SunSparcmgeary: in all my DNS days, I have never heard of such a thing.
19:32.15mgearyit'd be useful
19:32.50SunSparcAlmost as useful as your client knowing what they are doing and remembering their own information.
19:32.56mgearyuhhhh
19:33.05mgearythese are dentists, you're kidding, right?
19:33.10mgeary;)
19:33.11SunSparc:)
19:33.13SunSparcDreaming
19:33.44SunSparcYes, I am kidding.  There is not way in any dimension that that dream could become a reality.
19:34.01DexterTheDragonmaybe dentists shouldn't be changing DNS records...
19:34.16SunSparcI agree
19:34.55SunSparcGoDaddy makes important changes like that, too easy for ignorant people to mess up.  Which then causes problems for developers.
19:35.33mgearywell, it's really the sales guy's fault
19:35.57SunSparcSounds like a stereotypical scenario.
19:35.59mgearywhen someone comes to me and needs the nameservers moved, i always ask if they have existing email on that domain.
19:36.08thebigdogwhat dentist is changing dns records
19:36.09mgearymigrating web services is easy peasy, but email is a pita
19:36.09SunSparcDitto
19:36.25SunSparcExactly
19:36.32SunSparcUnless you have control of both sides.
19:36.40mgearyeven then it's a pain
19:36.50mgearyjust not a pita
19:36.58SunSparcGood clarification.
19:37.02mgeary;)
19:37.43SunSparcI like ham and cheese on my pita's.
19:40.08mgearyi don't like pita, i'm more of a Fladen bread guy
19:46.34SunSparcI am not sure I have ever had fladen bread.
20:15.22mgearySunSparc: if you've ever had a Döner in Berlin, you've had Fladenbrot
20:17.05SunSparcmgeary: It has been a while since I have been to Berlin, so my memory is providing me any useful information as to whether I have had one or not.
20:17.24SunSparcI would not be surprised if I have though.
20:18.05mgearyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_Kebab
20:18.42SunSparcOoooh, baby!
20:18.49SunSparcI have had those.  I love them!!
20:18.59mgearytotally
20:19.06SunSparcI used to buy them in Nurnberg.
20:19.29SunSparcThey called them Gyros though, I thought.  Similar in composition.
20:19.29mgearyyeah, they're awesome
20:19.45mgearyyeah, though Gyro == Greek, Doner == Turkish
20:20.00SunSparcYeah, makes sense.
20:20.32SunSparcHowever, I have yet to find one here in America that is nearly as geschmektes gut.
20:20.38mgearyyeah
20:20.47SunSparcDarn you!
20:20.48mgearyyeah a Doner with lettuce & garlic sauce on a fluffy fladenbrot is ++++++
20:21.19SunSparcNow I am stuck in memory lane drooling over something I cannot have.  And I am already full from lunch.
20:21.26SunSparc:)
20:21.47SunSparcI need to make a trip to visit my parents if for no other reason than to get a Doner.
20:22.02SunSparcI wonder if Siegfried's Deli could make me up one...
20:31.57mgearymaybe these guys could: http://utah.citysearch.com/profile/11428730/salt_lake_city_ut/cafe_med.html
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20:35.34SunSparcThanks
20:36.18mgearyyeah, i'll have to try that as well
20:37.18SunSparcI think I have actually heard of the place, but never been.
20:37.30SunSparcI enjoy Greek food.
20:44.16mgearyyeah, i love Souvlaki
20:46.09SunSparc:)
20:46.15SunSparcI need to stop talking about food.
21:00.07beandogI just went to baskin robbins.
21:00.18beandogI dipped my face in a carton of peanut butter & chocolate
21:01.59mgearyoh yeah? well i just reached behind me and pulled a Honey & Oats granola bar out of my giant CostCo box of 'em
21:11.27beandogviva la siesta
21:46.19thebigdogme wants to be an executive
21:47.07SunSparcthebigdog: Just register a company and list yourself as the CEO.  Everyone is doing it.
21:47.37thebigdogoh yeah
21:52.18SunSparcU2++
21:52.32SunSparcmgeary: That is a good album
21:52.42mgearyit's their best, imnsho
21:52.48mgearyold U2 is awesome
21:53.00SunSparcI agree
21:53.10mgearyBad, A Sort of Homecoming, MLK.... it's a fantastic album
21:53.18SunSparcYep
21:53.32mgeary^5 SunSparc
21:53.41SunSparc^5 mgeary
21:54.21wpsI need some help with a query
21:54.31SunSparcwps: shoot
21:54.44wpsI am getting duplicates of each entry
21:54.53wpsI am pretty sure I know why
21:55.07wpsbut don't know how to resolve it
21:55.11mgearya bad join
21:55.20wpsI am left joining on a table
21:55.55wpsthat table also needs another table joined to match against, but including that other is giving dupes
21:56.04mgearygot the query?
21:56.11mgearyyou just selecting from 2 tables?
21:56.13wpscan you left join against a table that you left join against another?
21:56.25mgearysure
21:56.40wpshere… I'm paste bin
21:58.46wpshttp://rafb.net/p/10uXDp10.html
22:04.56thebigdogare you sure you want left joins?
22:05.23mgearyugh
22:05.38mgearyi hate aliasing tables for no apparent reason ;)
22:05.45mgearyi only alias tables when i'm joining them to themselves
22:06.18thebigdogperhaps paste the results
22:06.33thebigdoghard to tell why you are getting duplicates...but the left joins will give extra data
22:07.16mgearywps: also, are you sure you want those joins to have the "and pia.pia_use_type=2" as opposed to having that in the where clause?
22:07.43mgearyhere's how i find the source/reason for duplicates in a query--
22:08.14mgearymake sure you select the primary key from EVERY table. On your duplicate rows, one of those keys will be unique, while the others will be duplicated
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23:09.54timinatorI'm out guys.... later
23:22.59thebigdogwps did you get that working
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