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02:54.02jbotACTION calls Beth to spray mace at beandog
02:55.52beandoghola
02:55.54beandogi so tired.
02:55.55beandog:C
03:00.51mindjujuwhat up?
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14:06.45jbotThere is no chin under Chuck Norris Beard. There is only another fist
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15:22.03mgearymorning
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15:28.47undertakingyoumorning
15:47.43mindjuj1sup undertakingyou
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16:08.04mindjuj1~apb thebigdog
16:08.05jbotACTION calls Beth to spray mace at thebigdog
16:08.10thebigdogty
16:08.24mindjuj1hey, you IM'd me yesterday
16:08.30mindjuj1actually, twas a tunafart if i recall
16:08.31Utah_DaveHmm. 3G iPhone is supposed to be announced June 9th.
16:08.42thebigdogmindjuj1, yes i did
16:08.43mindjuj1where you just farting around, or id d you have a question?
16:08.55thebigdogfarting around
16:09.02mindjuj1ah
16:09.03mindjuj1k
16:09.06SunSparcUtah_Dave: Sweet!  Maybe I will get me one and let my wife have my old one...
16:09.07mindjuj1or should i say, kk
16:09.15mindjuj1oh hey, thebigdog, was going to show you something
16:09.24thebigdogk
16:09.37thebigdogmgeary, kk
16:09.40Utah_DaveSunSparc: how much would you want for your old one?
16:09.51mindjuj1so thebigdog, do these characters really exist in WoW - http://www.wegame.com/watch/Rogues_Do_it_from_Behind_4/
16:09.56mindjuj1i thought it was april fools joke
16:10.00SunSparcUtah_Dave: Hmmm, that is a good question.  I had not thought about it.
16:10.24mindjuj1plus, you'll prolly like the song
16:10.27mgeary~kk
16:10.28jbotfrom memory, kk is mgeary's favorite saying
16:10.47thebigdogmindjuj1, they exist
16:10.49Utah_DaveI'm actually hoping to score a gently used one from somebody wanting to upgrade
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16:11.29mindjujulike the song?
16:11.48mindjujureminds me of old skool heavy metal
16:11.50mindjujuthe good stuff
16:11.54timinatorfo sho
16:12.07mindjuju^5 timinator
16:12.08SunSparcUtah_Dave: I will keep that in mind.  I had not though of selling it, but now that you mention it, I might actually consider it.
16:12.17timinator^5 mindjuju
16:12.23thebigdogmindjuju, rogues are real chars and they kill from behind
16:12.46mindjujuthat's too funny that they have those instruments
16:13.00thebigdoghttp://www.wegame.com/watch/Rogues_do_It_From_Behind/
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16:14.17mindjujuthat's pretty cool thebigdog
16:14.27SunSparcmindjuju: They do not have those instruments in the game.
16:14.30mindjujuso does everybody get to buy musical instruments, or is it just a particular race?
16:14.37thebigdogthat is eye of the storm battle grounds
16:14.53thebigdogno musical instruments...those are char done by the developers
16:15.04thebigdoghttp://www.wegame.com/watch/Gorndt_Arena/
16:15.05mindjujuoh
16:15.09thebigdogthat is arena matches
16:15.15thebigdog2v2
16:16.25Utah_Davemindjuju: that was an awesome video
16:16.34mindjujuyeah, diggin' on the music
16:16.55mindjujucan anybody be a rogue?  race-wise?
16:16.59thebigdoghttp://www.wegame.com/watch/Jimmy_The_World_of_Warcraft_Story/
16:17.11thebigdogmindjuju, no not all races can have rogues
16:17.29thebigdoghttp://www.wowwiki.com/Rogue#Races
16:17.33thebigdogonly those can
16:18.14thebigdogundead rogues rock
16:18.22thebigdogbut i hate to play rogues
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16:18.46thebigdogi love to kill rogues
16:19.00thebigdogi had a buddy get ganked by 4 rogues as he hearthed
16:19.16thebigdoghttp://www.wowwiki.com/Hearth
16:19.28thebigdoghttp://www.wowwiki.com/Hearthstone
16:19.47thebigdoghe said is was probably the cooliest thing he has seen
16:19.53SunSparcHe was jumped when he appeared in his Inn?  Or as he was trying to Hearth?
16:19.59thebigdog4 rogues on 4 sides all pop out as he is hearthing
16:20.05thebigdogtrying to hearth
16:20.16thebigdogkilled him fast
16:20.28SunSparcYeah, they are good at that.
16:20.36thebigdogi can usually take a rogue
16:20.50thebigdog2 rogues are hard...but 4....you die too fast
16:21.01SunSparcyeah
16:21.10thebigdogyou have about 6-8 sec until you are dead
16:24.48SunSparcMaybe 10 if you have a bubble.
16:29.36SunSparcGuru labs?  I thought you were working with mgeary?
16:30.20beandog~guru
16:30.22jbotrumour has it, guru is the ever-immodest Tim Riker
16:30.57mindjuju~lart beandog
16:30.57jbotwhacks beandog with a giant beaver's tail
16:31.08beandogmindjuju, Ive got a video for you
16:31.28brastoi was, but i'm moving to wvc and treeline and I decided both our needs would be met since he needs a speedier programmer, and I need a job somewhere closer to wvc/
16:31.34mindjujucool, what is it?
16:31.55beandogps3 star wars game coming out
16:32.00beandoglooks wicked sick
16:32.11mindjujubeandog unleash the force?
16:32.18beandogyes
16:32.32mindjujuit does look freakin' awesome, sned me the link, love looking at it
16:32.38beandoghttp://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-The-Force-Unleashed/dp/B000R39GPA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1211301125&sr=1-1
16:33.04beandog~evil buffering
16:34.14Utah_Davebrasto: what are you doing for Guru labs?
16:34.48mindjujubeandog - that does look awesome!
16:35.11beandogoh man Im stokied.
16:35.49mindjujuSW battlefront was pretty cool too
16:36.09beandogeh
16:36.11beandogI didnt like it
16:36.40beandogdoesnt freaking come out til september, sheesh
16:36.44mindjujuit had a good single player | deathmatch component
16:36.54mindjujua billion bots and you
16:37.24beandogyah
16:37.28beandogI never quite got the hang of that one
16:37.52mindjujuthat's the only one i played cause i can usually only play for about an hour and need to get a quick fix
16:37.57mindjujuwell, that and burnout
16:39.05SunSparcUnleashed looks cool.  Is the character on the Dark side?  Hard to tell from the video, except he is fighting storm troopers.
16:39.29mindjujuSunsparc, character is very much dark side
16:39.37mindjujuvader unauthorized apprentice
16:39.50brastoUtah_Dave: i'll be teaching poeple about Linux, all around the country.
16:40.02mindjujuthat is the killing force behind Order 66
16:40.06SunSparcmindjuju: Yet fighting against the Empire?
16:40.07brastobest job description ever
16:40.35mindjujunot sure why he's bringing down that start destroyer
16:40.40_psychic_SunSparc: there's a wii version
16:40.53mindjujuand actually, i read concept a long time ago, so i may be old on what the game is now about
16:41.18mindjujubut it was something like, vader had apprentice (that breaks the sith rule of only 1 master, 1 apprentice)
16:41.38mindjujuthe vader apprentice goes out and wipes out the good jedi, leaving only obi-wan and yoda
16:41.53mindjujuapprentice essentially cleaning up the ones the clones couldn't find
16:43.03SunSparcHmmm
16:43.07SunSparcEvil!
16:43.23beandogTie Fighter was the best star wars game evah.
16:43.38mindjujubeandog - psh
16:43.41mindjujuKOTOR was
16:43.48beandogyes
16:43.50beandogKOTOR
16:43.52beandog++
16:43.57beandogsuper happy lightsaber fun.
16:44.52mindjujutwas fun
16:44.58beandogoh yah
16:44.58beandogtotally
16:45.02beandogI like kotor2 a bit better
16:45.09beandogyou get to corrupt your followers
16:45.15beandogjust like in real life!
16:45.16mindjujuhaven't played it yet
16:45.20mindjujuwant to though
16:45.20beandogbuh!
16:45.23beandogmindjuju, youre missing out.
16:45.33mindjujui heard it gets caught up in the details
16:45.38beandogpfft.
16:45.40beandogit rawks.
16:45.43mindjujusomething about how you have to get compoenents and build stuff or something
16:45.49beandogoh
16:45.52beandogthats not hard at all.
16:46.04mindjujui'll have to find one at game stop or something
16:46.06mindjujugive it a try
16:46.12beandogyou get some serious powers in that game
16:46.41beandogthe great thing about being a dark jedi is you can kill just about everyone
16:46.47beandogif you want.
16:46.53beandogheh
16:46.56beandogits kinda funny, really
16:47.25mindjujuyeah, that's what i like about KOTOR being bad
16:47.34mindjujuwipe out everybody possible
16:47.58beandog:)
16:48.00beandogfun stuff
16:51.34DexterTheDragon~lart people who use   for layout control
16:51.34jbothooks into a hydrant and hoses people who use   down for layout control
16:52.14_psychic_str_repeat(' ', 15);
16:52.24mindjujunice
16:52.35brasto~lart people who use   for anything.
16:52.35jbotexecutes killall -KILL people who use   for anything.
17:01.15brasto~apb herlo
17:01.15jbotACTION hires Leland to rough up herlo
17:01.24brasto~get gerlo
17:01.25jbotACTION fetches gerlo
17:01.32brastodoh!
17:01.36brasto~get herlo
17:01.37jbotACTION fetches herlo
17:02.47brastoUtah_Dave: did you see my response?
17:03.19brasto~wizard
17:03.19jbot[wizard] enchancement to howto's
17:07.36brastomacnewbold: i will meet your cousin Chelsea (i think) tomorrow to close on my new house.
17:12.02Utah_Daveyeah, doing training for Guru?  that's cool
17:25.37_psychic_http://www.csmonitor.com/news/images/classics/cartoon11.jpg
17:25.55beandogmindjuju, you ever play the legos star wars games
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17:27.50mindjujuhaven't, heard good though
17:28.36SunSparc_Fun game
17:28.46beandogI gotta check it out
17:42.38mindjujufor those of you on lunch, i proudly present today's video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOI_iS66zus
17:44.11SunSparc_Verdict = not appetizing
17:44.21mindjujuyeah, maybe, but you got to love that commercial
17:44.34SunSparc_Chics with stashes?  Nah
17:44.36SunSparc_;)
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17:45.34SunSparcHere is a real commercial -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0
17:45.51mindjujuthat's is a good 'un
17:48.33SunSparcUmm... scary -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krXP_TUZqsk
17:48.55SunSparcMOMMY!! Make the bad man go away!
17:50.14mindjujuthat's some major weirdness
17:50.23SunSparcSeriously
17:50.38SunSparcBack when TV was the new hawtness.
17:58.26mindjujuwow, i like this ronald mcdonald MUCH better - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVcRecCk8sw&feature=related
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18:01.33wpsyoutube sucks at work
18:01.36wpsI think IT is throttling it
18:02.11Lone_Wandererwouldn't blame them tbh
18:02.49SunSparcForget marketing to kids.  ;)
18:03.15mindjujuthere are a couple sites that will request the youtube video through a secondary site
18:05.59SunSparcwps; If they are throttling your net, they may also be watching your IRC conversations.
18:06.12wpsI don't care about that
18:06.18wpslet them here me
18:06.19Lone_WandererSo tell us how you really feel about them ;)
18:06.22Lone_Wandererhear*
18:06.24wpsdear, IT
18:06.33wpsour internet here at the office blows
18:06.36wpsit is dog slow
18:06.44SunSparclol
18:06.44wpsand our VPN from home sucks as well
18:06.53Lone_Wanderermy dog runs fast
18:08.19timinatorLunch Meeting.... see ya'll later today
18:09.08wpsdear facilities,
18:09.14wpsdid you for get that it was summer?
18:09.19wpswhere the crap is the air conditioning?
18:10.13SunSparcSounds like your day is not going as you would like it to.
18:10.21wps:)
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18:54.08wpsI hate having a raspberry seed stuck in your teeth
18:54.19wpss/your/my/
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19:21.50Lone_Wandererwps: I carry floss with me at all times specifically for situations like tha.
19:21.52Lone_Wandererthat*
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19:32.31mindjuju~rlart
19:32.32jbottakes a big bite out of jnbek's jugular vein
19:32.49mindjujuweird
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20:09.51macnewboldanyone in here use SVN?
20:09.57macnewboldwe've having some grief with ssh usernames
20:10.08macnewboldwe're using svn+ssh for a checkout,
20:10.20macnewboldbut there are three of us that have access to the checkout, and any of us might need to run "svn up"
20:10.40macnewboldeach of us use a different ssh user though, even though the checkout is owned by a shared account on the live server
20:10.47mindjujutierra is uphpu guroob
20:10.50mindjujuon svn
20:10.55macnewbold~seen tierra
20:10.57jbottierra is currently on #uphpu, last said: 'http://ibaku.net/test.php'.
20:11.22macnewboldanyway, the --username= option to svn isn't sending the right ssh username apparently,
20:11.25macnewboldso it isn't doing what we need
20:11.45macnewboldwe got it checked out, but only by including the ssh username in the URL, so now only one of us can use the checkout and run svn up on it
20:11.55tierrawha? multiple users using the same checkout... you're crazy man, you're crazy
20:12.22wpsthat'd be awesome!
20:12.29tierrait'll use whatever user is used to do the checkout I think
20:12.49wpsthen when you screw up, no will know it's you because the logs will have the same username for everything!
20:12.54wps:)
20:13.11tierraheh
20:15.23tierraI think you need to re-think your approach... what is the checkout used for? hopefully it's read-only right?
20:17.09tierraif you want to keep one checkout with, say, a website (I'm assuming that's what you're using this for) that runs on a dev server, and it just stays updated with the latest commits in SVN, you can add a script to your post-commit hook to update that checkout on the dev server so it's updated the second anyone commits
20:17.15tierrathen they can test their changes
20:22.52wpswow… it takes a while to SCP half a GB from california to here
20:31.05SunSparcwps: You should get off the state roads and try one of the Interstates.
20:31.15wpsI wish I could
20:31.49SunSparcYeah, I wish I could get a faster connection at my house.
20:32.07SunSparcI keep waiting for Utopia to get to my neighborhood.
20:33.18thebigdognever going to happen
20:33.27thebigdogyou can get that stuff in the getto SunSparc
20:33.50tierradon't use WinSCP btw if you are on faster pipes... last I tested, it's 10 times more CPU intensive than scp on the command line... for some reason it's really inefficient
20:34.13thebigdogmac use the builtin users and passwords
20:34.18SunSparcthebigdog: Probably be easier to run fiber in the ghetto.
20:34.38wpsWinSCP would imply that you were using Microsoft Windows which would be a first mistake
20:34.48SunSparchehe
20:34.49thebigdogdepends how many liquor stores you need to move
20:35.13SunSparcthebigdog: True that
20:35.43thebigdogmacnewbold, why not use apache and svn auth?
20:36.27SunSparcI tried WinSCP back when I was a Windoze user.  Did not like it much.  I was a WS_FTP guy.  Although I like FileZilla too.
20:37.06SunSparcNowadays if I am not using rsync on the command line I use Transmit.
20:37.55wpsI don't use a graphic file transfer app, but if I did, I would use Fugu or Transmit
20:38.06thebigdogncftp
20:38.11thebigdogthat is the way to go
20:38.18thebigdogor eclipse
20:38.34SunSparcFTP in eclipse?  Tell me more.
20:38.58SunSparcOh, I just just subclipse in Eclipse.
20:39.13SunSparcOn a per project basis.
20:39.29wpsthat's one thing that is nice about Coda… it has Transmit built in
20:39.40SunSparcAmen to that.
20:39.44SunSparcI have an announcement to make...
20:39.51wpsyou're pregnant????
20:40.03SunSparcclose
20:40.14wpswow… that is close
20:40.19SunSparclol
20:40.30tierradoes that mean you can get me free SSL certs?
20:40.38tierra:P
20:40.51wpsnot free… but he can get your Wintergreen Certs
20:40.53SunSparctierra: Close, how about free email certs.
20:41.08wpsI'm done… sorry… going back to work
20:41.32thebigdoghehe
20:41.38thebigdog~slap SunSparc
20:41.39jbotACTION slaps SunSparc, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
20:42.08SunSparcOuch!
20:42.12SunSparcThanks?
20:42.18SunSparc:)
20:55.42mindjuju~seen dataw0lf
20:55.45jbotdataw0lf <n=stderr@ibaku.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 12d 22h 57m 32s ago, saying: 'yes'.
20:58.08wpshas anyone has rm -rf * come back with an error before saying that there are too many items process?
20:58.15wpss/has/had/
20:58.21wpsarrg
20:58.28wpshas anyone had rm -rf * come back with an error before saying that there are too many items process?
20:58.33tierrawps: yes
20:58.36wpshow do you get around that?
20:58.46tierrals * | xargs rm -rf
20:58.52tierratry that
20:58.54wpsk
20:59.13tierra(and hope it doesn't pick up '.' or '..')
20:59.16tierraheh
20:59.22wpsuh…
20:59.42tierraoh wait, I think I just ended up doing something like
20:59.58tierrarm -rf a* ...
21:00.08wpsI know I could go through the alphabet doing rm -rf a*, rm -rf b*, etc
21:00.09tierraI can't remember now, it's been a while
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21:00.16wpsbut I was hoping for a less manual method
21:00.55tierrawould have been "ls . | xargs rm -rf" actually
21:01.02tierraand that doesn't pick up '.' or '..'
21:01.13tierrathough that may have the same problem
21:01.44tierraone other thing you probably can do though is "find . -exec rm -rf {} \;"
21:02.46thebigdogrm -fr [a-z]*
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21:04.04tierrait makes things a lot more complicated when the files you're deleting have spaces in them
21:04.31tierra(find doesn't treat those as single arguments when passed to the command)
21:07.59thebigdogfind . -type f -name '[a-z]*' | xargs -i rm -fr "{}"
21:08.13thebigdogon mac i cant remember the -i equiv
21:17.19thebigdogmacnewbold, you ever get an answer to your questions?
21:18.30synicok, I know these links are shunned, but this one is pretty funny.
21:18.32synichttp://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-pony-mechanic.jpg
21:19.15SunSparcLOL, that is a funny one.
21:19.33SunSparc_psychic_ has probably already seen it though.
21:19.50_psychic_show it to wps... he loves ICHC
21:20.08SunSparcAnd by love, you mean...
21:20.44_psychic_not love
21:20.55_psychic_I submitted this a week ago:
21:20.55_psychic_http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?ciid=1102491
21:21.02_psychic_I dedicate it to dataw0lf
21:21.49SunSparc_psychic_: for some reason that link always take forever to load for me.
21:23.01synicbetter be done loading when I get back.
21:23.10synicOR ELSE
21:23.55tierradid I ever mention my ordeal with getting my GoDaddy SSL cert re-keyed in response to the Debian openssl fumble?
21:24.15tierrayeah, umm, don't get GoDaddy SSL certs...
21:24.25SunSparcDoes not sound familiar.
21:24.35SunSparcHowever, I have long known to avoid GoDaddy SSL.
21:24.52SunSparcI get my own GeoTrust ones as a reseller.
21:25.08tierrawell, I avoid anything at Godaddy other than domains if at all possible, but sometimes the boss is cheap
21:25.35tierraexcept when it comes to his dual wide-screen 22" lcds...
21:25.37tierraheh
21:25.46SunSparcPriorities
21:25.57_psychic_did it not work?
21:25.57SunSparcHe probably gets what he pays for.
21:26.02_psychic_it came up but it was slow.
21:26.14tierraGoDaddy made me purchase a new SSL cert
21:26.19SunSparc_psychic_: It usually takes several minutes to come up for me.
21:26.30SunSparcBut other ICHC links work fine.
21:26.55SunSparcThat explains a lot!
21:27.18SunSparctierra: They made you get a new cert because you change OS?
21:27.32tierranope, I don't host with them
21:27.41tierraI just use the SSL cert on my own hosting
21:28.07SunSparcThe shared SSL cert?
21:28.22tierrabut the SSL cert needed re-keyed cuz it was originally keyed with a vunerable version of the debian openssl package
21:29.00SunSparcOdd
21:29.26tierrayou can re-key a Godaddy SSL cert, but only in the first 30 days of purchase
21:29.34tierrabeyond that, they make you pay for a new one
21:29.43SunSparclame policy
21:29.48tierrayeah
21:30.42SunSparcThen again, I can see where they are coming from, re-keying a cert can take up to a couple minutes to do.
21:30.43SunSparc;)
21:31.05tierrathat's the funny part, they don't do the keying, I do
21:31.16SunSparcYeah
21:31.26tierraI rekey, generate a new CSR, and they sign it
21:31.31tierraheh
21:32.35tierraoh, why am I telling you this
21:32.39tierrayou know this
21:34.05tierraanyway, yeah, given it's a GoDaddy SSL cert, but it still cost me an extra $30 on behalf of the 16 months or so I had left on the original SSL cert
21:34.10tierraheh
21:34.27SunSparcNice.
21:34.35SunSparc~GoDaddy--
21:34.44SunSparc~karma GoDaddy
21:34.44jbotgodaddy has karma of -1
21:34.53tierrathat can't be right
21:34.58tierra~godaddy--
21:35.20SunSparc~karma GoDaddy
21:35.20jbotgodaddy has karma of -2
21:35.24SunSparcGetting closer
21:35.58SunSparcthebigdog: Do you use database connection in Eclipse?
21:36.08thebigdogyes i do
21:36.21SunSparcDo you connect to any MySQL databases with it?
21:36.32thebigdogi do when i have too
21:37.33SunSparcI am setting up a database profile in Eclipse for the first time.  They do not list a MySQL profile.  Do I have to create my own profile or just use one of the existing ones: HSQLDB, Derby, etc?
21:37.56thebigdogyou need to create one
21:38.03SunSparcOk, thanks.
21:38.04thebigdogwhat version of eclipse are you using?
21:38.28SunSparc3.3.1.1
21:39.16thebigdogare you in the database development perspective
21:39.21SunSparcYes
21:39.35thebigdogso you have in the left nav
21:39.37thebigdogDatabases
21:39.42SunSparcYes
21:39.42thebigdogand ODA Data Sources
21:39.44SunSparcYes
21:39.48thebigdogright click the Databases
21:39.53thebigdognew
21:39.59thebigdogGeneric JDBC Connection
21:40.08SunSparcAh, that is what I was asking about.
21:40.10SunSparcOk
21:40.10thebigdogname = MySQL
21:40.28thebigdogthen get the driver
21:40.48thebigdogyou can click on the first element
21:40.55thebigdogDriver Definitions
21:40.59thebigdogAdd a new one
21:42.14SunSparcIt has MySQL 5.0 / MySQL JDBC Driver there already in the list.
21:42.18SunSparcCan I just use that?
21:42.25thebigdogyes you can
21:44.55thebigdogunder window - prefs
21:44.59thebigdogsearch for driver
21:45.08thebigdogconnectivity - driver definitions
21:45.19thebigdogthere you can define ones to use in the drop down list
21:46.25SunSparcHmm, it is not locating the driver that it came up with itself:  mysql-connector-java-5.0.0-bin.jar
21:46.33SunSparcI may need to download that I guess.
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21:50.50thebigdogSunSparc, did that work for you
21:51.28SunSparcIt is not locating the driver that it came up with itself:  mysql-connector-java-5.0.0-bin.jar
21:51.33SunSparcI just downloaded it now.
21:52.17thebigdogyeah by default it does not have them
21:52.21thebigdogthey want you to get them
21:52.32thebigdogi usually grab the most recent anyways
21:52.34SunSparcOdd, probably a license issue
21:53.15thebigdogit might...but i dont think any come with the plugin
21:56.27SunSparcSweet!  It worked!
21:56.30SunSparc~thebigdog++
21:56.32SunSparcThanks
21:56.40thebigdognp
21:57.22thebigdogworks really good
21:57.28thebigdogi like the perspective
21:57.42SunSparcOne more reason to love Eclipse.
21:57.42thebigdogthe built in explain plan is nice too
21:57.59SunSparcI will have to explore it a bit.
21:58.15thebigdogits nice to with development cause you can have a database profile repository
21:58.26thebigdogthat way you can have them stored and retrieve them when needed
21:58.34thebigdogif you have tons of dbs to manage
21:58.37thebigdogor work with
21:58.52SunSparcOh, that is nice.  Yeah, just about every web site I develop has a databaes.
21:59.52thebigdogoda is nice to work with too
22:00.08SunSparcI was noticing ODA, what is that?
22:02.20thebigdogopen data access
22:02.34thebigdogfor accessing flat files, xml files and web services as a data source
22:02.48thebigdoglike csv files and such
22:03.22SunSparcNo kidding!  This looks like it might just become a very handy tool for me.
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22:39.00thebigdogi guess mac fixed his issue?
22:40.54beandoghttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/02/18/funny-pictures-luvs-yr-karpet/
22:40.56beandogI couldnt resist.
23:17.19thebigdoghehe
23:18.39thebigdoghttp://ihasahotdog.com/2008/01/18/loldog-funny-dog-pictures-halp-bein-attacked-by-buns/
23:19.51thebigdogok this one is crazy - http://ihasahotdog.com/2008/04/25/funny-dog-pictures-eaten-hand-soap/
23:23.47fungushttp://ihasahotdog.com/2008/05/13/cute-puppy-pictures-best-day-ever/
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23:26.51thebigdoghehe
23:26.59thebigdogfungus got carried away
23:27.00thebigdoghehe
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