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01:55.07Trevy1What the equivalent to ORDER BY feild ASC in php
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13:03.32*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
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15:25.14mgearymorning
15:25.44mindjujumorning mgeary
15:27.55orsonjmorning
15:39.53unummorning
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16:11.09DexterTheDragona groggy good morning to everyone
16:12.21mindjujusup dexterthedragon
16:13.21DexterTheDragonjust jumping back into table land
16:13.23DexterTheDragonyou?
16:13.52mindjujumaking a background for a video we are launching today
16:18.56mindjujudag, looks like a nice day in virginia
16:20.09DexterTheDragonfungus: KeePass was the program I was thinking about last night
16:20.25funguscrossplatform? cool.
16:21.24DexterTheDragonwell there are programs for linux and mac that can read the database that it uses
16:21.37DexterTheDragonKeePass is made for windows but is OSS
16:23.19DexterTheDragonThe linux/mac version is called KeePassX
16:23.45DexterTheDragonI kinda wish the two of them would just team up and create a truly cross platform password safe
16:24.07fungusCool, so that solves my problem.
16:24.50DexterTheDragonyeah you can just keep the database file on a thumb drive and bounce between computers with
16:25.16DexterTheDragonas long as the computer has the program on it to read it that is
16:29.26mindjujujust my luck, i'd loose my thumbdrive
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16:34.25DexterTheDragonmindjuju: just make sure you keep a backup the files
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16:47.01Utah_DaveGosh, timinator enters the channel and all heck breaks loose!
16:47.19timinatorLOL
16:47.33timinatorit's the Mac
16:47.39timinatorthe PC feel inferior
16:47.46timinatoras they should  :)
16:47.59timinatoreither that or the ZZ Top
16:48.18timinatorhar har har har
16:49.05Utah_Daveprobably the ZZ Top
16:49.06Utah_Dave:)
16:49.28timinatorfo sho
16:49.43fungusI love playing that song on Guitar Hero III.
16:50.08PoeticIntensityI love playing that song in my band.
16:50.36funguspshaw, not everyone can be genuinely talented.
16:50.45PoeticIntensityheh....
16:50.48PoeticIntensityhow was the meetin'?
16:51.27mindjujumeetin' was really good
16:51.54mindjujuman, best friend at work just gave 1 week notice
16:52.04mindjujuthat's gonig to make things here a little bit bumpy
16:54.54PoeticIntensityya gotta hate that...
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17:17.07DexterTheDragonI think they call those things amps
17:18.05orsonjan amp doesn't tell you how bad you suck. (your friends do though)
17:18.20beandogyou suck.
17:19.39orsonjheh
17:21.33thebigdoghehe
17:28.10mindjujuugh, i could just kill my padawan
17:28.26thebigdoghaha
17:28.43mindjujuhe freakin knows there is a flub in the video where the owner stuters around for about 10 seconds
17:28.51mindjujuit should have been cut or refilmed
17:28.57mindjujuhe doesn't freakin' say a thing to anybody
17:29.11mindjujuand now we are getting ready to outsource print about 5k of these
17:29.21mindjujuand it's like "uhhh.. i guess i didn't notice it..."
17:33.02mindjujuwith all the luck mgeary is having with authorize .net, i wonder if its time to move on to another credit card processor
17:33.04orsonjdespite all the bad customer service problem, they do actually implement some good stuff.
17:33.17orsonjs/problem/problems/
17:33.49mindjuju:)
17:34.01PoeticIntensitynemesis would be a more suited cert, I believe.
17:34.08mgearybut that's because i've know where the workarounds are needed
17:34.13orsonjThey actually have a hardware token for real multi factor auth, and one time CCs are cool too.
17:37.35orsonjnow, if only I could find a bank that uses PKI tokens and offers one time CC numbers, that would be awsome.
17:37.53orsonjwell, if it was an american bank. I hear some russian banks do that.
17:43.33mgearybah
17:43.50mgearythe whole point of getting an offshore bank account is that the government doesn't *know* about it
17:44.21mgearywith a whopping ~30 Euros in it
17:44.46mgearytouch THAT, Uncle Sam
17:45.00_psychic_he is
17:45.04_psychic_he's making it more valuable
17:45.06mgearyseriously
17:45.08mgearyday by day
17:45.59_psychic_$JoeBiden++;
17:58.05mgearyi thought that's what the Republicans already did
17:58.11mgearyHAHAHAHAHAHAA
17:58.20_psychic_oh he's not inanimate
17:58.25_psychic_he screws up all sorts of things
17:58.30_psychic_and says all sorts of retarded stuff
17:58.38_psychic_and starts wars
17:58.39mindjujuthat was quick mgeary
17:58.55mindjujui stood there thinking of a sharp retort, but alas your comment was too good
17:59.09mgearyheh
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18:24.40timinatorhave you guys seen this:   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24207533/
18:24.42timinatorcrazy
18:32.42jsmithtiminator: I'm kind of in the mood for some #008AE5 news today
18:32.49jsmithtiminator: Got anything in that color?
18:32.55timinatorLOL
18:33.00timinatorfo sho
18:35.06PoeticIntensityok, guys....
18:35.16PoeticIntensityI've got an OOP PHP - related question...
18:35.29PoeticIntensityI'm not sure if I'm doing things right because I keep running into a problem...
18:35.46PoeticIntensityLet's say I've got two classes....
18:35.57PoeticIntensityan authentication class, and a navigation class.
18:36.09timinatorgives a whole new meaning to, "It's a grim, grey day in news today"
18:36.25PoeticIntensityfrom within the navigation class, one of the functions needs to know if a user is logged in (which is handled by the authorization class)...
18:36.46PoeticIntensityyet the scope (as I understand it) of classes is just within the class....
18:36.58timinatorright
18:37.28PoeticIntensityextending doesn't always make sense, because classes can only be extended by one class (AFAIK)...
18:37.30PoeticIntensityso...
18:37.53PoeticIntensityhow does one keep scope creep out of the picture, when so many classes need information from one another?
18:38.05timinatorwhat I do is I have my auth at the top of every page..... something like this:   if(!$auth->check_user()) { $auth->logout(); }
18:38.24timinatorthen, when creating all other classes, I pass some auth info in
18:38.25PoeticIntensityThere's always the "::" scope resolution syntax, but is that considered good coding practice?
18:38.55PoeticIntensityright, timinator, in that instance it makes sense....
18:39.03PoeticIntensitybut that method won't work for everything..
18:39.07timinatorlike so:   new nav($auth->user_info());
18:39.21PoeticIntensityI've run into this issue all over the place.
18:40.06timinatorthat way, you can have all your classes separated, yet they can pass data to one another
18:40.49PoeticIntensityis that at the class level, or function level, timinator ?
18:41.55timinatorwell, that's on the class level.... when you're creating the class.... but you can do it on a function/method level too
18:41.57timinatorlike so
18:42.43timinator$nav->right_menu($page, $auth->user_access());
18:44.02timinatorbut if you do it on the class level, then you can set a shared variable/array of user info..... then you don't have to pass the data on every function/method call
18:44.07timinatoryour choice
18:45.36PoeticIntensitygotcha.
18:45.51PoeticIntensitythanks, muchly, timinator...
18:45.59timinatornp
19:15.16wpsI am trying to remember the name of a company/website
19:15.20wpsthey rank websites
19:15.22wpshave a toolbar
19:15.27wpswere bought by Amazon
19:15.31mindjujualexa ?
19:15.35wpsyes, thank you
19:16.02wpsall I could think of was AltaVista
19:16.08mindjuju:)
19:26.31wpsAsk Jeeves has thumbnails of websites
19:26.34wpsthe URL is this
19:26.34wpshttp://binoculars2.ask.com/binocl_get?url=006d5652f4c43ab9e69328ab5e74f7e4&s=1252172656&size=1
19:26.45wpsI figured out that the url value is just an md5 of the URL
19:26.54wpslike this "http://www.cnn.com/"
19:27.18wpsanyone have any guess as to what the ten digit number for 's' is?
19:27.31wpsit's unique to each URL
19:27.39wps(or at least appears to be)
19:32.12_psychic_timestamp?
19:32.56_psychic_maybe not
19:34.54wpsAlexa provides an API to site home page thumbnails, but it costs
19:35.30wpsnot that I am against that, but I just needed a few so it's not worth signing up for the developer program
19:40.53wpslooks like this company will provide what I need
19:40.54wpshttp://www.websnapr.com/
20:16.53timinatorI'm trying to kill a process on my server
20:17.02timinatorbut it doesn't show up in ps
20:17.09timinatorand won't be kill'd
20:17.12macnewboldthen how do you know it exists?
20:17.16timinatorw/ top
20:17.25macnewboldif you're root, you should be able to try to kill it
20:17.26timinatorit's eating up my CPU
20:17.35timinatorsudo kill didn't work
20:17.39macnewboldif you can see the pid that's all you need, you can even do it within top
20:17.44macnewbold<PROTECTED>
20:17.52timinatork
20:18.06_psychic_there's also a rocker switch around the back of the machine...
20:18.07macnewboldit might still take a sec, but that's the best way to nuke a processes
20:19.26timinatorthx mac... -9 worked great
20:22.36mindjujuand it makes a great song too
20:23.26mindjujutiminator - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4
20:23.37mindjujuit's seems like it might have some lang
20:23.52mindjujucan't remember who gave me the link from this channel before
20:23.59mindjujumaybe macnewbold
20:25.02macnewboldwhich video is it?
20:26.27mindjujua song about kill -9
20:26.31mindjujubut it has some language
20:26.40mindjujubut it's about what kill -9 does
20:26.51macnewboldmaybe fungus? I don't know of a kill -9 video
20:28.51fungusMusic video by Nerdcoreforlife, called "kill -9"
20:29.11thebigdogtiminator, dont kill system idle process
20:29.14Utah_DaveI love that song
20:29.23mindjujugroup called Monzy
20:29.28mindjujuplaying at stanford
20:29.32mindjujulink up above
20:29.50timinatorLOVE IT!!!
20:41.47beandogcan anyone recommend some blogging software that doesnt use mysql as its backend
20:41.48timinatorsudo kill -9 DexterTheDragon
20:41.51beandog(trying to reduce processes)
20:47.05DexterTheDragonbeandog: MovableType supports Postgres and sqlite
20:47.08orsonjvi
20:47.52orsonj...emacs, notepad++, etc. all allow you to create blogs without using mysql
20:48.01beandogDexterTheDragon, thx
20:48.17DexterTheDragonor theres one called Serendipity that supports the same
20:48.19beandogisnt that a fork of wordpress, or vice versa
20:48.23orsonjsqlite would be a good choice for a blog I think.
20:48.25DexterTheDragonnever looked at it tho
20:48.28beandogI'm trying to get away from the security nightmare
20:48.39beandogand having to upgrade every 3 weeks
20:49.36orsonjvi definently
20:50.10orsonjno exploits on hard coded html
20:50.36DexterTheDragonI don't believe its related to wordpress in any way
20:51.12thebigdog<PROTECTED>
20:51.28mindjujuthebigdog doesn't know how to IRC either
20:51.33mindjuju;p
20:51.36timinatorLOL
20:51.40*** kick/#uphpu [mindjuju!n=thebigdo@0006yE-Yn.dsl.xmission.com] by thebigdog (thebigdog)
20:51.44thebigdogi still got it
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20:52.00mindjujuheh
20:52.00thebigdog~congrats mindjuju
20:52.43thebigdogwps, im surprised you listen to the fray
20:53.53thebigdogi think myspace is the crappiest thing made
20:54.01thebigdogbut man that guy made some $$$
20:57.26thebigdogwives and technology to not mix
20:58.50orsonjActually tiddlywiki might work for a non-database blog
20:58.52orsonjhttp://www.tiddlywiki.com/
20:59.03beandogwell Im already running postgres
20:59.04beandogI need that one
20:59.10beandogI just hate running mysql *just* for my blog
20:59.11orsonjdownside is it requires javascript and does not degrade at all
20:59.35beandogmaybe Ill just port the thing.  Im sure the queries aren't that complex.
21:01.09thebigdogno but they probably use some mysql non-ansi sql
21:01.21thebigdoglike every db does
21:03.18thebigdogwikionastick
21:03.28thebigdogmakes my tummy go 246
21:39.53thebigdoganyone running php5.2.5?
21:41.31tierrayeah
21:42.06tierraDebian Testing: PHP 5.2.5-3 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Feb 21 2008 02:03:40)
21:42.21tierraer, well, that's CLI anyway, should be the same for mod_php though
21:43.20tierrayep, same on mod_php
21:43.35thebigdogyou mind checking something for me
21:43.40mgearythebigdog: i am
21:43.51thebigdoglet me post the code
21:44.41thebigdoghttp://pastebin.com/d1d82faa8
21:44.46thebigdogok check that out
21:45.00thebigdogi get 3 values in the array
21:45.12thebigdog$files[0] = ""
21:45.19thebigdognot sure why that is happening
21:45.34tierrahttp://ibaku.net/test.php
21:45.38jsmiththebigdog: Because the path starts with a /
21:46.06thebigdogyeah but i would think that it shouldnt give you that
21:46.16jsmiththebigdog: Try preg_split with the  PREG_SPLIT_NO_EMPTY  option instead
21:47.01jsmiththebigdog: Or add "-1" as the limit argument to explode()
21:48.46thebigdogyou would think that would be noted in the docs
21:48.58thebigdogbut i guess it would make sense
21:49.21wpscan you wget a file into a dir other than the one you are in?
21:49.54thebigdogy
21:50.05thebigdogyes i mean
21:50.18wpsI scanned the manual and didn't see that option
21:51.12thebigdog-P i believe
21:52.46thebigdognot sure if it is the same on mac
21:52.58wpsah… looks like it's -O
21:56.34wpsnope
21:56.46wps-O concats all files retrieved into one at specified place
21:56.54wpsthebigdog, as always, was right with -P
21:57.05thebigdognp
21:57.05wps~thebigdog++
21:57.13thebigdogjsmith, that -1 did not work for me
21:57.26jsmiththebigdog: Well, then do what I told you first ;-)
21:57.27thebigdogbut i did realize that trimming that leading one will work
21:57.44jsmitharray_shift($files);
21:57.49jsmithand be done with it ;-)
22:06.27thebigdogfungus, you going to see the cure?
22:06.42fungusOf course
22:06.50thebigdogim thinking of going too
22:07.34fungusI went to their last show and it was really fun.
22:09.28mgearywhere are they playing?
22:10.36fungusUsana Ampitheater
22:10.56fungusI think, let me check.
22:11.01mgearymeh
22:11.23fungusWrong, E-Center
22:11.29mgearytoo big
22:12.31fungusbut, but, but... It's the Cure!
22:13.31mgearyyeah, but i'll bet Robert Smith is all saggy and such now
22:14.17fungusYes, he is old and fat... But that doesn't matter, he is still totally awesome.
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22:17.35thebigdoghaha
22:17.38thebigdoghe rocks
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22:37.34PoeticIntensitybeandog, the software for ilovemyjournal.com uses postgres :)
22:37.39PoeticIntensitywant the code? :-D
22:38.42beandogI think Im actually gonna try fixing wordpress
22:39.11PoeticIntensitysweet!
22:39.12beandogthanks though
22:39.16PoeticIntensitynooooooooooo problem.
22:39.19DexterTheDragonI would imagine wordpress's queries are pretty mysql centric
22:39.23PoeticIntensityya'll have a good night, ya hear?
22:39.37beandogDexterTheDragon, yah
22:39.58DexterTheDragonthey've had mysql guys go through all their queries and optimize them to the max
22:40.02PoeticIntensitywe're playing for the auto-show at Thanksgiving Point tomorrow at noon, if anyone wants to come...
22:40.15wpsI just discovered something
22:40.20beandogPoeticIntensity, what time?
22:40.22wpsif you kill your own sshd process it logs you out!
22:40.30PoeticIntensity<PROTECTED>
22:40.32PoeticIntensitynoon
22:40.36wps:)
22:40.44beandogthey have some good restaurants down there
22:40.49PoeticIntensityindeed.
22:41.02PoeticIntensitybeandog, you'd love the auto-show, too.
22:41.06PoeticIntensitycrazy cars...
23:21.19timinatorgotta roll..... see ya later

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