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14:01.13*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Tonight: AMFPHP + Flex | Presenter: Beau Scott | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
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15:17.47mgearymorning
15:21.36wpsgood mornin'
15:25.35unummorning
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15:30.33timinatorah, much better
15:30.54timinatorcouldn't view messages before.... crazy
15:31.22mgeary~yow
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16:18.25mindjujusure is quiet in here... almost TOO quiet ....
16:22.38mgeary~roulette PoeticIntensity
16:22.38jbotACTION watches PoeticIntensity pull the trigger: BANG!
16:22.45mindjujudag!
16:22.58PoeticIntensityLOL
16:23.37mgeary~spinningCobraOfFuryBlock
16:23.57mindjujudamage taken
16:24.07mindjuju~bdhit mgeary
16:24.08jbotACTION and mindjuju demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on mgeary's forehead
16:27.45timinatoris there a way in CSS to specify a minimum height?
16:27.51mgearymin-height
16:27.55timinatoroh
16:27.57mgearybut i believe IE 6 doesn't respect it
16:28.10timinator~IE 6--
16:28.11PoeticIntensityLOL
16:28.13PoeticIntensityI love this room.
16:28.21PoeticIntensityIE don't give NO respect.
16:28.26mgearyhttp://www.w3schools.com/CSS/pr_dim_min-height.asp
16:29.09timinatorTY
16:29.18mgearyaccording to this:http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/css_reference.asp, NO version of IE respects it, but i believe that IE7 does...
16:31.02orsonjI think the workaround is to do an IE specific css and use "height: XXpx"
16:31.07beandogeh
16:31.22orsonjor just ignore IE6
16:31.26orsonjthat works also
16:31.30mgearyoh how would that be
16:31.37PoeticIntensityheaven.
16:31.43PoeticIntensityefficiency.
16:32.06PoeticIntensitymuch less headaches.
16:32.23PoeticIntensityer.... would that be much *fewer* headaches..
16:32.27PoeticIntensityor many fewer headaches.
16:32.44mgearyfar fewer headaches
16:37.21timinatorI can't use height: xxpx; because the height will always change
16:37.43timinatorbut the layout messes up when it's less than 300 or so
16:37.59timinatorso, IE 6 users will just have to deal
16:38.03timinator*shrug
16:38.23timinatorthanks for the tip mgeary
16:38.27timinatorbrb
16:39.05mindjujuwhat's wrong with ravetrax?
16:39.16mindjujuit's gone operatic
17:00.45mindjuju~lart IE
17:00.45jbotslams IE against a large cement Tux
17:00.52mindjuju~bdhit IE
17:00.53jbotACTION gives IE the Priest Flip of the Blessed Foulness
17:11.39beandog~rip PC club
17:11.39jbotACTION takes PC club and acts as Jack The Ripper
17:11.40beandog:C
17:12.09beandognow I have to buy my hardware at Circuit City!
17:12.10beandogthe shame!
17:17.00wpsI hate how IE and FF put a dotted line around links when you click on them
17:18.49mindjujuman, i remember loving this song when i was young - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnqUAbGMjLI
17:18.52DexterTheDragonwps there's a way you can take that off, with css I think
17:19.04mindjujuit's funny how hokey they seem now
17:20.02mindjujufor crying our loud, there is a dude in the band that seems like they should have been in Andrew Lloyd Weber's Cats
17:20.15wpsI was just thinking that exact same thing
17:21.26DexterTheDragonwps: a:active { outline: none; }
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17:22.16wpsthank you
17:22.39wpswhy that is something you have to turn off (opposed to turning on) is beyond me
17:23.10_psychic_(use reset style sheets)
17:23.36wpscan't afford the bloat
17:24.27DexterTheDragonthat css will probably only work in firefox
17:24.30orsonjI think IE treats height as min-height. Don't remember for sure, but I think that was the workaround.
17:24.46_psychic_wps: I use one that's like 20 lines
17:24.48_psychic_it's not that bad
17:25.18wpsstill… with our traffic… we are working every day to trim the site more and more
17:25.33wpsjust spent the past few days implementing a caching engine for example
17:25.46wpsand we moved to file-based sessions
17:25.46wpsnow every page loads with zero database calls
17:26.38wpswe are working to set up Ahkami (sp?), but until then we have to keep trimming down because out load times suck across the pond
17:26.46wpss/out/our/
17:33.12_psychic_I doubt it's because of CSS
17:33.29_psychic_besides, if you're using a CDN, hopefully they're setting far expires headers for you anyway
17:33.46_psychic_most page views wont even *request* CSS
17:35.11wpsright… once it's cached it doesn't have to be reloaded
17:35.38wpsbut I still wouldn't want to just drop in a reset stylesheet
17:35.44wpsI only want to use exactly what I need
17:36.47_psychic_well you're doing it anyway
17:36.57_psychic_my suggestion is that you just make it formal and organized is all
17:37.04_psychic_a:active { outline: none; }, for example
17:37.22_psychic_I've found benefits there, but ymmv
17:39.26wpsymmv?
17:39.47mindjuju~wtf ymmv
17:40.07wpswow… never would have guessed that
17:40.12mindjujuyeah, me neither
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17:58.51wpsif I try and push more than 255 characters into a varchar(255) will I get an error or will it gracefully just insert the first 255 characters?
18:01.23mindjujui know in ms sql you'll get an error telling you your data will be truncated and it will fail insert
18:04.53mindjuju~APB dexterthedragon
18:04.54jbotACTION calls Duane Lee to stake out dexterthedragon
18:38.17mgearywps: it will just truncate at 255
18:38.28wpscool
18:38.29wpsthanks
18:46.11timinatoris there a way to add CSS styles for all "input" tags, but exclude "Submit" buttons??
18:46.42wpsyes, but IE doesn't support it
18:46.48timinatorLOL
18:46.51timinatorIE--
18:46.56timinator~IE--
18:47.11timinator~karma IE
18:47.11jbotie has karma of -1
18:47.17wps~IE--
18:47.24timinator~karma IE 6
18:47.24jbotie 6 has neutral karma
18:47.39timinator~IE--
18:47.41wps~IE 6--
18:47.45timinatorthat's for before  :)
18:48.00wps~IE 7--
18:48.01timinatorso, what's the trick wps?
18:48.54timinator~karma IE 7
18:48.54jbotie 7 has neutral karma
18:49.07timinatorya, doesn't work w/ >1 words
18:49.18timinatortried that earlier w/ IE 6
18:51.36DexterTheDragon~apb mindjuju
18:51.36jbotACTION hires baby Lyssa to stake out mindjuju
18:59.17mgeary~karma IE
18:59.17jbotie has karma of -3
19:01.20DexterTheDragon~IE--
19:01.50mgeary~karma IE
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20:09.24beandoghola thebigdog
20:09.31thebigdogwhatz up bro
20:11.24beandognada
20:11.35beandogJust fixing some ALSA bugs
20:11.36beandog:)
20:11.37beandogwhee
20:12.29thebigdogi love alsa
20:12.41wpstwo gripes for Excel today: I can't believe that you cannot limit a search and replace to selected cells and I can't believe it doesn't have the option to choose the delimiter when exporting
20:12.42beandogsome gentoo ALSA bugs, I should say
20:12.57thebigdogyeah
20:13.00mgearywps: amen, bro
20:13.07thebigdogwps i think you can choose the delimitier
20:13.09beandogthebigdog, I fixed this major annoyance I had in the init script
20:13.14thebigdogthough im not an excel guru
20:13.16wpsyou can choose on import but not on export
20:13.18beandogwhere it would terminate alsa processes
20:13.23beandognow its an option
20:13.42wpswith as long as that application has been around and for how much it is used that amazes me… those seem like basic features
20:14.16thebigdogwps, i'm sure it does...might be some obscure setting somewhere
20:14.53mgeary~fullofbeans thebigdog
20:15.03thebigdogmgeary, kk
20:15.53thebigdogwps, you have to use a macro to do it
20:16.04wpsthat's dump
20:16.14thebigdogbut im here now
20:16.16wpsI'll just dump by tabs and then search and replace in my editor
20:16.21thebigdogso here is another method
20:16.29thebigdogdude i have you covered
20:16.38thebigdogdump it then use xls2mysql to convert
20:16.44thebigdogthat should work just fine
20:17.31wpsso I built a fancy-smancy CMS for our partner showcase
20:17.40wpsbut they say that they have too much data to import to do it manually
20:17.57wpsso I have to write a script to import their spreadsheet straight into the DB
20:18.07wps:(
20:18.23wps(not that this is hard but it negates my hard work on the CMS)
20:18.47thebigdoghttp://astrochimp.com/2005/12/20/export-csv-with-any-delimiter/
20:18.50thebigdogtry that wps
20:19.53wpsyou have a Excel for Mac solution?
20:19.56wpsI don't use Winders
20:29.04thebigdogi don't unless you can find a macro
20:29.26thebigdogi would just use openoffice
20:29.26macnewboldor neooffice on the mac is good too
20:29.35macnewboldthe easiest way to get from excel into the db is save it out as tab delimited text or csv
20:29.38macnewboldthen use load data outfile
20:29.44macnewboldor load data infile
20:29.49macnewboldwhatever it is
20:30.04macnewboldyou do have to save each sheet as a separate csv/txt file though
20:30.26macnewboldit's nice cause you don't have to worry about escaping quotes or anything weird like that
20:30.31macnewboldespecially with tab-delimited text
20:31.58thebigdogthere are some tools that will load the data into a db for you too
20:34.59macnewboldouch
20:36.09orsonjI just tried out kismet + wireshark
20:36.17orsonjI am now converted to ssh -D
20:36.29beandogwhats that
20:36.36orsonjkismet is a wireless scanner
20:36.54orsonjwireshark lets you see all the packets that it logs
20:37.34orsonjat least for unencrypted wifi
20:37.35thebigdogwireshark formerly ethereal
20:37.38orsonjyep
20:38.01orsonjkismets saves a dump file that wireshark can read
20:38.11beandogno I mean what's ssh -D
20:38.24orsonjssh socks proxy option
20:38.43orsonjssh -D port username@host
20:38.54beandogsocks are evil.
20:39.26mindjujuwell, there is an exception
20:39.35macnewboldespecially mindjuju's, or tunafart guy's
20:39.45thebigdoghehe
20:39.47mindjujutube socks w/ stripes + sandals = major fashion statement
20:39.48macnewboldsocks are also evil with sandals
20:40.08mindjuju~tunafart codegreene
20:40.09jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to codegreene, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
20:40.26mindjujuyeah!
20:40.28macnewboldoooh, you are vicious
20:40.38macnewbold~nosepick mindjuju
20:40.38jbotACTION plucks mindjuju out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window!
20:40.51mindjujuyipes!
20:41.05mindjuju~macattack macnewbold
20:41.06jbotACTION mixes nitrate, cellulose and acide to make nitor manite and lobs it at macnewbold... Boom !
20:41.31mindjuju~macnewbold
20:41.32jbotfrom memory, macnewbold is unavailable
20:41.44mindjujupsh, i'll have to change that after hours
20:49.02macnewboldyeah, go ahead and try it
20:58.08wpsI assume that there is a way to test a MySQL insert query before actually running, no?
20:58.25wpsI'm not finding anything on Google
20:59.16beandogwell
20:59.22beandogthere's prepare
20:59.30beandogalthough technically thats not the same thing
20:59.33beandogmeh
21:07.16mindjujumacnewbold
21:07.43mindjuju~macnewbold
21:07.44jboti guess macnewbold is a nice person, or very good in stew.  Cookie Monster, or an ibot abuser
21:26.10PoeticIntensityLOL
21:43.08beandoghttp://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/tcv80ipepkza7.jpg
21:43.12beandogthat is awesome
21:43.12beandog:D
21:48.47DexterTheDragondon't get much randomer than 4
21:49.10wps"randomer"?
21:49.58orsonjyep, randomer
21:50.40orsonjhttp://xkcd.com/221/ (orig just for reference)
21:51.43beandog~random 4
21:54.13mindjuju~beandog
21:54.14jboti guess beandog is the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one
21:54.21mgeary~cookie
21:54.28mgeary~clq
21:54.29jboti heard clq is has a nice face
21:54.34beandog~cookie mgeary
21:54.44beandogheh
21:54.53mindjuju~yow
21:55.15mindjuju~nickometer beandog
21:55.21beandog\o/
21:55.24mindjujumeh, must be broken
21:55.27beandogbuh
21:55.35beandog~nickometer yourmom
21:55.44mindjujurofl
22:06.57unum~nickomete y0ur/\/\0/\/\
22:07.01unum~nickometer y0ur/\/\0/\/\
22:07.14unum~nickometer unum
22:19.25mindjuju~apb fungus
22:19.26jbotACTION calls baby Lyssa to rough up fungus
22:19.45fungus~smack mindjuju
22:19.45jbotACTION smacks mindjuju upside the head.
22:37.14xilch|w~nickometer xilch
22:37.29xilch|wYep, definitely busted.
22:43.12mgearyit's too quiet
22:43.54mindjujui say we form a raiding party and go hit #phpwomen
22:44.39timinatoranyone looking for an office phone system? or an office copier/fax?
22:45.18mindjujuwhere are they from?  are they as-is?
22:45.51fungusPhone system?   Is is a Voip system?  SIP phones?!
22:46.02timinatorbuddy of mine, who runs a couple businesses, has equipment from a 12 man office that closed shop
22:46.13timinatornot VOIP that I know of
22:46.36timinatorjust an AT&T w/ what sounds like the PBX boxes or hubs as he called it
22:46.58mindjujuwow, wouldn't that be like super pricey?
22:47.00timinatorhe's got the furniture too.... but he's already getting bids on that
22:47.26timinatorsuper pricey to buy new.... but he's just looking to salvage a little
22:48.35timinatorhe said only some of the equipment was even used.... some are still in boxes
22:48.37timinatorLOL
22:50.21timinatoranyway... I gotta roll..... I'll try to remember to mention it tomorrow... see if anyone wants a hook-up
22:50.22timinator:)
22:50.26timinatorlater guys
22:50.31mindjujucya
22:59.43PoeticIntensitywhatever shall I have?
22:59.52mindjujuwell, Applebees
22:59.57mindjujuin 4 hrs
22:59.58PoeticIntensity:-T
23:00.03wpspudding
23:00.04PoeticIntensityah... true...
23:00.14PoeticIntensityso... it's on PHPAFM...... right?
23:00.32mindjujuCSV2Access
23:00.42mindjuju+ PHP
23:01.24mindjujuor AMFPHP
23:01.34mindjujuw/ examples
23:01.37PoeticIntensityhuh?
23:02.01mindjujutwas just kidding about CSV
23:02.10mindjujuit's amfphp + flex
23:03.01beandoghttp://funpidgin.sourceforge.net/
23:03.03beandoghallelujah
23:04.15mindjujupidgin / funpidgin  ... can't somebody get pidgin to work on google toolbar ?
23:04.32mindjujui'm loosing valuable screen real estate
23:04.43mindjujubeandog, you coming tonight?
23:04.52mindjujuyou know you want to
23:05.08mindjujuall the cool kids are going
23:05.13PoeticIntensitymindjuju, real estate?  You've got like 10 monitors!
23:05.17beandogmindjuju, whats tonight
23:05.20mindjuju4
23:05.24mindjuju:)
23:05.33mindjujutonight is AMFPHP + flex
23:05.35PoeticIntensityoh... well.. then I'd be worried, too. :)
23:05.37beandogwhats that
23:05.44PoeticIntensityFlash crud.
23:05.49PoeticIntensityconnecting flash to PHP.
23:06.08mindjujuamf is a highly optimized protocol that can be used to transfer data
23:06.11mindjujuvery sexy
23:06.22beandogmeh
23:06.26beandogI'm too sexy for this applet
23:06.44mindjujuAMFPHP is getting amf functionality without the blaze ds, or some other server
23:07.01PoeticIntensitydoesn't it have to do with flash?
23:07.04beandogIve actually been writing more bash over the last two weeks than php
23:07.35mindjujupoeticintensity - yes, flash uses amf
23:07.44mindjujubut it's more than just flash though
23:07.51PoeticIntensityinteresting...
23:07.59mindjujulike fixate on this...
23:08.07PoeticIntensitygah.... I've been gone quite a few evenings this week...
23:08.19PoeticIntensitynot sure if the wife will consent to my leaving tonight...
23:08.21beandogPoeticIntensity has a second job running a taco stand
23:08.21mindjujuimagine that you want to build the hawtest, sexiest administrative app this side of the Pecos river
23:08.23PoeticIntensityI'll ask, though
23:08.35mindjujuyour web page comes up, there is your client records
23:08.58mindjujuits hawt, true, cause your administrative assistants can change the data in the flex/flash component on the page
23:09.03mindjujunow, i'm sure you're thinking
23:09.04mindjujucan't be done
23:09.08mindjujutoo sloooow
23:09.12mindjujubut wait
23:09.17mindjujuthere is AMF!
23:09.31mindjujuso, you kick data back and forth with AMF
23:09.45mindjujuyour app is hawter than Ford Cobra
23:09.56PoeticIntensityoohh....
23:10.02mindjujuyou get a phat payraise
23:10.04PoeticIntensitynot sure about that.... Ford Cobras are h00000t..
23:10.08mindjujucorner office
23:10.11mindjujubig windows
23:10.20mindjujuall cause of amfphp
23:10.34mindjuju*
23:10.44PoeticIntensitymeeting starts at 7?
23:10.48PoeticIntensitysame place?
23:11.08mindjuju(fine print)  big raise, corner office, etc and other incentives not guaranteed
23:11.12mindjuju;)
23:11.18mindjujuyup, same place in draper
23:11.20mindjujusame time
23:11.28mindjujusame good times at applebees
23:12.11PoeticIntensityI might just come....
23:12.15PoeticIntensityif beandog comes, that is.
23:12.17mindjujunice!
23:12.23mindjujuso beandog
23:12.24PoeticIntensityI need to race him with the upgrades to my car...
23:12.25mindjujuwhat up bro
23:12.36PoeticIntensitysee how much more badly I can spank eeem'.
23:13.00beandogmindjuju, you didnt call me last time, y a punk
23:13.10beandogmindjuju, im taking you off my myspace friends list
23:13.14mindjujuyipes!
23:13.22mindjujuwait, i don't have a myspace, do i?
23:13.22PoeticIntensityLOL
23:13.44mindjujui went on a crusade to reserve my name in all the social apps that i hadn't registered in
23:13.58mindjujubut can't remember if myspace was one
23:14.10beandogoh man
23:14.17beandogI havent touched that thing
23:14.31beandogI dont t hink Id fit in with the ocean of tween drama.
23:14.40beandogmindjuju, pfft.
23:15.08PoeticIntensityI'd pay good money to see that race.
23:15.22PoeticIntensityyo beandog, the new Cobalt SS is supposed to be freakin' fast..
23:16.21beandogPoeticIntensity, you gonna come to applebees?  If you go, Ill go.
23:16.49PoeticIntensitywell... my wife isn't home, and not answering her phone, so if I don't hear back from her by 6:20, I'm going.
23:17.00PoeticIntensityI'm freakin' starving, though.
23:17.14beandogmindjuju, gimme a call when you head over to the restaurant
23:17.19mindjujuk
23:17.24mindjujuPM your cell phone
23:17.30PoeticIntensityI'll call him
23:17.34mindjujuk
23:17.50mindjujuPoeticIntensity, I'll see if i can't score you some grub on this side
23:17.59PoeticIntensityhehe...
23:17.59mindjujulike granola bar or something
23:18.02PoeticIntensityI'll eat before I come.
23:18.03PoeticIntensity;-)
23:18.06PoeticIntensitythanks, though.
23:18.06beandogmindjuju, you get that?
23:18.15beandogPoeticIntensity, not enough hawt girls
23:18.25mindjujunope, didn't get anything, did you PM?
23:18.26PoeticIntensityyou obviously haven't seen swb lately.
23:18.29beandogmindjuju, phone
23:18.44beandoglol
23:19.20mindjujustill didn't get IM, did are you logged in?
23:19.33mindjujufreenode won't let you send PM unless logged in (antispam policy)
23:19.40beandogmindjuju, your cell phone
23:20.52mindjujui seem to have left my cell phone @ home charging
23:20.58mindjujui need to get a new one
23:21.10mindjujumine was made like in th e50's, i hate it
23:21.21beandogwhats wrong with the 50s
23:21.25beandoglots of great things came out of the 50s
23:21.36beandoglike polio and laptops.
23:22.19beandog:)
23:22.34beandogmindjuju, well anyway, if you didnt have my #, now you do
23:23.29mindjujuon my cell in mapleton, ut?
23:23.37beandoguh
23:23.38beandogsure.
23:23.42mindjujusome 20+ miles to the south of my current location?
23:24.18mindjujui should have rigged something up so i could carpool with PI on the way home
23:24.23mindjujubut at least this way, we can race home
23:24.36beandogmindjuju, you, race?
23:24.37beandogreally?
23:24.42beandogokay I gotta run
23:24.45beandoglaters
23:24.45mindjujucya
23:27.45PoeticIntensitylooks like it's not happenin' tonight, guys...
23:27.53PoeticIntensitywife just called...
23:27.55PoeticIntensity:-|
23:27.58PoeticIntensityand I'm outta here...
23:28.00PoeticIntensitychao
23:28.16mindjujucya
23:40.37mgearyme too
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