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| 15:06.02 | SunSparc | What is the character I put at the end of a search and replace that makes it replace all instead of just one? |
| 15:06.09 | SunSparc | I cannot remember it. |
| 15:06.22 | SunSparc | s/old/new/? |
| 15:07.42 | SunSparc | Ah, it was g, I just forgot the % at the beginning. |
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| 15:16.00 | timinator | mornin' guys |
| 15:16.09 | wps | howdy howdy howdy |
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| 15:38.12 | macnewbold | g'day all |
| 15:38.18 | _psychic_ | morning :) |
| 15:38.30 | macnewbold | howdy, _psychic_! |
| 15:38.35 | macnewbold | we were just talking about cake ACLs |
| 15:38.43 | _psychic_ | how do you find them |
| 15:38.53 | macnewbold | that's what we were wondering |
| 15:39.02 | macnewbold | we're trying to figure out a simple way to use them |
| 15:39.09 | _psychic_ | a lot of people have a hard time getting up to speed on ACL :/ |
| 15:39.11 | orsonj | mornin |
| 15:39.23 | macnewbold | we really just need a couple of simple things, like "plain user" "staff" and "admin" |
| 15:39.32 | macnewbold | and telling who has what permissions |
| 15:40.15 | _psychic_ | If you're doing something really simple that doesn't have much of a chance of getting more complex, ACLs might not be what you need. |
| 15:40.39 | _psychic_ | They really shine when you've got cascading sets of permissions, with exceptions and things down in the branches, or some setup that wanders. |
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| 15:41.55 | brasto | ok, that's old now |
| 15:42.12 | brasto | jbot, onjoin brasto - |
| 15:42.13 | jbot | ok, brasto |
| 15:44.40 | SunSparc | Subversion for Eclipse: Subclipse vs Subversive. Which do you prefer? |
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| 15:54.11 | josephscott | I don't understand why Eclipse doesn't have svn support built in |
| 15:59.52 | SunSparc | Because there are so many options. Eclipse was built to allow options, not force you into a certain implementation of a service. |
| 16:00.29 | josephscott | they ship with built in CVS support |
| 16:00.45 | josephscott | and having it built in doesn't stop you from still supporting plugins |
| 16:01.08 | macnewbold | right, especially if it is there by default but can be turned off (say if it were using more resources than you wanted) |
| 16:02.44 | macnewbold | CVS is so out of vogue now... why not ship with SVN if you're going to ship with one of the two? |
| 16:07.00 | SunSparc | Good questions, gentlemen. |
| 16:07.16 | macnewbold | ~seen mindjuju |
| 16:07.26 | jbot | mindjuju <n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 18h 49m 19s ago, saying: 'sunsparc - http://digg.com/tech_news/RIAA_Keeps_Settlement_Money_Artists_May_Sue'. |
| 16:14.18 | wps | can you use --exclude and --exclude-from in the same rsync command? |
| 16:15.00 | orsonj | I think so, try it. |
| 16:16.22 | SunSparc | Why do both? |
| 16:17.14 | SunSparc | It will probably work. One specifies excludes in the command, the other excludes from whatever it finds in the specified file. |
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| 16:17.34 | wps | I build the rsync command dynamically as part of a script |
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| 16:33.41 | _psychic_ | http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?ciid=1102491 |
| 16:34.26 | wps | I can't believe people visit that website |
| 16:35.26 | _psychic_ | search deep within yourself wps |
| 16:35.31 | wps | no |
| 16:36.03 | _psychic_ | and you'll find that the humbug-ness of a given thing is more related to your own perception than that of others |
| 16:42.11 | timinator | gotta divert as much CPU as possible to another task... be back in a bit |
| 16:42.36 | DexterTheDragon | how much cpu does irc take? |
| 16:42.55 | wps | no kidding :) |
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| 16:43.57 | wps | I am writing code and have Mail, chat, RSS, web browser, Photoshop, terminal, code editor, and font manager all running and my four processors are at an 1% each |
| 16:44.26 | SunSparc | :p |
| 16:44.31 | SunSparc | Quad core geek |
| 16:44.51 | wps | :) |
| 16:47.38 | SunSparc | I want 4 cores and 4 gb of ram |
| 16:47.55 | mgeary | 4 GB of ram is a must these days |
| 16:48.04 | mgeary | and it's so cheap |
| 16:48.07 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 16:49.07 | SunSparc | Ooooo, very nice. Congrats. |
| 16:49.16 | wps | I hate waiting |
| 16:49.45 | SunSparc | Look, if you are in such a hurry, you could lower a rope or a tree branch or something. |
| 16:50.42 | wps | ahâ¦Â I get it now :) |
| 16:50.46 | wps | didn't catch that |
| 16:50.49 | wps | been a while |
| 16:53.49 | mgeary | Peter Gabriel singing in German is pretty cool |
| 16:54.29 | mindjuju | Sting in Spanish is pretty dang cool |
| 16:54.33 | mgeary | bah |
| 16:54.58 | mgeary | Sinead singing in Celtic is...uh, predictable |
| 16:56.04 | mindjuju | heh |
| 16:56.15 | mindjuju | v true, was in excess |
| 17:00.46 | macnewbold | bohemian rhapsody rocks hard |
| 17:02.01 | mindjuju | true that, macnewbold, but it isn't contemporary musician singing in a foreign language, though you could slightly argue that Queen is singing Latin |
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| 18:15.27 | synic | Who has experience with Tier4? |
| 18:16.04 | SunSparc | I think I had a tour of their facility once. |
| 18:19.56 | wps | wowâ¦Â that sucked |
| 18:20.01 | wps | I just took down two of our sites |
| 18:20.02 | wps | :) |
| 18:20.30 | SunSparc | Why? |
| 18:21.24 | wps | I made some changes to our deployment script and had made a mistakeâ¦Â the mistake didn't show up in the tests (dry runs) that I made though |
| 18:21.25 | SunSparc | Doh! |
| 18:21.27 | wps | the script consists mostly of rsyncs and a path was implement and it deleted two entire directories (containing two sites) off the production cluster |
| 18:21.32 | wps | that'll make your heart stop |
| 18:21.48 | wps | s/implemented/incomplete/ |
| 18:21.48 | SunSparc | Ummm, yikes! |
| 18:22.38 | SunSparc | That is not a good mistake to make. |
| 18:22.43 | wps | nope |
| 18:22.54 | SunSparc | There were backups, I hope. |
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| 18:23.14 | wps | luckily, the two sites that went down aren't our main site and are small ones so scp-ing them back up could be done quite fast |
| 18:23.35 | wps | yeah, I just SCP'd from the dev server |
| 18:23.36 | SunSparc | whew! |
| 18:23.43 | wps | and even if that was gone, they are in SVN |
| 18:23.58 | SunSparc | Thank goodness for code repositories. |
| 18:24.04 | wps | amen to that |
| 18:36.59 | SunSparc | Time Machine is cool! |
| 18:37.27 | SunSparc | Even more so now that it works with wireless airport drives. |
| 18:37.33 | mgeary | do you know if they have a cli interface to it? That's be awesome |
| 18:37.54 | SunSparc | Hmm, I don't know. But I would not be surprised if they do. |
| 18:38.15 | SunSparc | Just about everything does, to some degree. One reason I love OS X. |
| 18:39.08 | mgeary | well, there's this: http://www.macworld.com/article/131323/2007/12/tmterm.html |
| 18:39.20 | mgeary | backupd-helper |
| 18:39.43 | mgeary | but that just does a snapshot. There's gotta be a retrieval part as well |
| 18:41.31 | SunSparc | You wanting to automate it? |
| 18:41.38 | mgeary | not necessarily |
| 18:41.52 | mgeary | just thinking it'd be nice to remotely restore a directory to a given snapshot without having to use VNC |
| 18:42.33 | SunSparc | Well, if desktop sharing could auto accept from certain users that would be a good solution. |
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| 18:49.12 | timinator | did I miss anything?!?! |
| 18:49.44 | SunSparc | wps borked two live web sites |
| 18:49.59 | timinator | loverly |
| 18:50.46 | timinator | bo tsi bo tsi bo tsi bo tsi bo tsi |
| 19:04.26 | timinator | The World Bank estimates that by 2015, half of new-building construction around the globe will take place in China. |
| 19:11.49 | SunSparc | Well, they have plenty of space out there in the Gobi desert. |
| 19:13.32 | mgeary | i wonder if and how that will continue. Right now, China has the power it has because of it's huge reserves of cheap labor. But as their infrastructure develops, people are going to demand higher wages, which will reduce China's viability as a fulfillment source for other nations |
| 19:13.59 | mgeary | but that's probably still quite a ways out |
| 19:30.49 | brasto | ~wiki periodontics |
| 19:44.38 | mgeary | jeeze Firefox is a dog on my Mac |
| 19:52.31 | timinator | mgeary: did you get my messages about DW? |
| 19:52.38 | mgeary | heya, timinator. i did |
| 19:52.43 | mgeary | thanks for that |
| 19:52.56 | mgeary | still don't have anything worked out, but at least i've got some possibilities to explore |
| 19:53.20 | timinator | np |
| 19:54.27 | timinator | I'm curious to know what you end up with |
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| 20:50.32 | DexterTheDragon | 0.o |
| 20:54.57 | wps | I have some French characters in an MySQL database |
| 20:55.24 | DexterTheDragon | bloody french |
| 20:55.44 | wps | one query pulls them out fine but with another the special characters are wrong |
| 20:55.46 | fungus | French characters can be represented in normal 8-bit ascii |
| 20:56.03 | wps | accent characters |
| 20:56.43 | fungus | http://www.asciitable.com/ Chars 128-168 |
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| 20:58.44 | fungus | Just because they "can" be represented in ASCII, doesn't mean they "are". |
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| 21:23.00 | PoeticIntensity | I'm having a brain-cramp... |
| 21:23.08 | mgeary | bummer |
| 21:23.19 | PoeticIntensity | how do I call a function of one class from within a function in another class? |
| 21:23.32 | mgeary | do you have a reference to the other class anywhere? |
| 21:23.32 | PoeticIntensity | the two classes are totally unrelated. |
| 21:23.34 | PoeticIntensity | nope. |
| 21:23.38 | mgeary | is it a static class? |
| 21:23.39 | PoeticIntensity | oh... |
| 21:23.47 | PoeticIntensity | uhhh yes... |
| 21:23.57 | mgeary | Static_Class::functionName() |
| 21:23.59 | PoeticIntensity | I have an object outside the class from which I'm calling it.. |
| 21:24.07 | PoeticIntensity | ok |
| 21:24.15 | PoeticIntensity | I remember that syntax now. |
| 21:24.20 | mgeary | if it's not static, you've got to instantiate it first |
| 21:24.31 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, mgeary |
| 21:24.34 | mgeary | yo |
| 21:29.20 | timinator | gotta roll guys |
| 21:29.36 | timinator | when thebigdog drops in, flip him off for me please |
| 21:29.38 | timinator | :) |
| 21:29.41 | timinator | later guys |
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| 22:25.40 | thebigdog | wps you are? |
| 22:25.41 | mgeary | ready everyone? |
| 22:25.46 | mgeary | ~flip thebigdog |
| 22:25.46 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 22:33.16 | thebigdog | its a family thing |
| 22:33.53 | mgeary | for the record, mgeary doesn't think he's ever actually flipped someone off in his life. such a shame |
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| 23:34.07 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 23:34.10 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 23:34.18 | Utah_Dave | it's been a while |
| 23:34.20 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 23:37.37 | mindjuju | thx a heap! |
| 23:37.45 | mindjuju | ~tunafart utah_dave |
| 23:37.46 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to utah_dave, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 23:40.48 | Utah_Dave | so mindjuju, are you enjoying your new place? |
| 23:41.26 | mindjuju | well, living at father in laws until all revisions done |
| 23:43.28 | DexterTheDragon | notice that he used revisions instead of remodeling |
| 23:43.34 | DexterTheDragon | sign of a programmer |
| 23:44.37 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:49.25 | DexterTheDragon | just make sure you commit first |
| 23:53.16 | Utah_Dave | I wonder how successful a merge or branch would be? |
| 23:54.30 | thebigdog | for what? |
| 23:58.01 | mindjuju | thebigdog - for my house |
| 23:58.16 | mindjuju | accidentally said revision instead of renovation |
| 23:58.21 | thebigdog | oh |