| 00:01.29 | beandog | it took me a second to realize it wouldn't actually generate the key unless you move the mouse |
| 00:01.30 | beandog | heh |
| 00:02.44 | mindjuju | ah, simulated randomness |
| 00:03.41 | kingsol | timinator: thanks for the feedback |
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| 00:53.15 | beandog | oy |
| 00:53.18 | beandog | working late. |
| 00:53.22 | mindjuju | yo |
| 00:53.24 | beandog | que tal. |
| 00:53.29 | beandog | I guess its not *that* late. |
| 00:53.43 | mindjuju | yeah, only 7p |
| 00:55.25 | beandog | lets see how long it takes to move 14GB around. |
| 00:56.02 | beandog | I wish I had some cartoons on my harddrive for these downtimes. |
| 00:56.12 | beandog | ~unprepared beandog |
| 00:57.41 | mindjuju | you could always fire up joost |
| 00:58.14 | beandog | on linux? |
| 00:58.21 | beandog | Their UI really bothers me. |
| 00:58.26 | beandog | its so random. |
| 00:58.45 | beandog | I guess theres always the me-tubes. |
| 00:59.32 | beandog | I need an xchat plugin that posts which youtube video Im watching. |
| 01:00.12 | beandog | everyone must know what Im watching ... at all times! |
| 01:00.34 | mindjuju | i was just wondering what you were watching, myself |
| 01:00.45 | beandog | just some randomg skating stuff |
| 01:01.33 | beandog | mindjuju, you working late |
| 01:02.13 | mindjuju | yup |
| 01:02.17 | mindjuju | prolly 1 more hour |
| 01:02.20 | beandog | did you ever see iron man? |
| 01:02.47 | mindjuju | nope, just moved |
| 01:03.05 | beandog | I wanted to go see it this weekend |
| 01:03.12 | beandog | wasnt really in the mood to sit in a crowded theater tho |
| 01:04.39 | beandog | http://youtube.com/watch?v=DkBGv2c9vPc |
| 01:04.43 | beandog | ok this one is weird. |
| 01:05.06 | beandog | normally dont hear songs like that in the bg |
| 01:05.46 | beandog | that was odd. |
| 01:10.39 | mindjuju | here's something for ya beandog - http://youtube.com/watch?v=wHHnsRbsE5c |
| 01:11.42 | mindjuju | not really a basketball fan, but that is funny |
| 01:12.40 | beandog | heh |
| 01:14.22 | mindjuju | or beandog, here is this if you're looking for something cool to watch - http://youtube.com/watch?v=rmLnXsvJr-M |
| 01:14.37 | beandog | one sec, the data finished moving |
| 01:14.59 | beandog | hay que trabajar un poco |
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| 01:29.48 | beandog | wb |
| 01:30.41 | mindjuju | thx |
| 01:30.46 | mindjuju | my user32.dll foob'd |
| 01:30.53 | mindjuju | had to do an emergency replace on it |
| 01:31.16 | beandog | whats that |
| 01:31.25 | beandog | oh man, Im gonna have to come in at 6 a.m. |
| 01:31.28 | beandog | le crap. |
| 01:32.06 | mindjuju | user32 is a dll that contains info on GUI, etc |
| 01:32.12 | mindjuju | highly prone to foob |
| 01:32.20 | beandog | foob is bad. |
| 01:35.56 | mindjuju | yeah, winders prone to foob |
| 01:36.43 | beandog | they set the alarm with me inside again |
| 01:36.44 | beandog | heh |
| 01:36.50 | beandog | that's always a nice surprise, tripping it |
| 01:37.16 | mindjuju | good times, they've done that to me too. have to sprint to the alarm panel and turn it off |
| 01:37.58 | beandog | they made me sprint like a grannie looking for oatmeal on sale |
| 01:50.55 | beandog | well Im outsie. |
| 01:50.56 | beandog | nn |
| 01:55.06 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: did you see that youtube video of the shark surfer? |
| 01:55.41 | mindjuju | nope |
| 01:55.45 | mindjuju | got the URL? |
| 01:56.37 | Utah_Dave | yeah, just a sec |
| 01:57.25 | Utah_Dave | http://youtube.com/watch?v=VJnxYsZNzwM |
| 01:59.46 | mindjuju | that's hilarious! |
| 02:00.26 | Utah_Dave | yeah |
| 02:01.02 | Utah_Dave | I pulled a prank a little prank on a couple of my coworkers today. They still haven't noticed it yet |
| 02:01.08 | Utah_Dave | I'm hoping it will be funny |
| 02:01.38 | Utah_Dave | I changed a folder on their hard drives so that it's image is replaced with a headshot of me |
| 02:02.00 | Utah_Dave | The hover says, "Dave is the awesomest!!!" |
| 02:02.13 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 02:02.16 | Utah_Dave | I'm hoping it will actually be funny |
| 02:04.42 | Utah_Dave | well, I'm outahere |
| 02:04.45 | Utah_Dave | later, mindjuju |
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| 02:04.51 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 02:16.13 | mindjuju | wb |
| 03:00.58 | beandog | thx |
| 03:01.01 | beandog | home sweet home |
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| 15:00.05 | Utah_Dave | morning! |
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| 15:04.27 | beandog | o hai |
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| 15:12.25 | mgeary | wow. what a day out there |
| 15:13.59 | DexterTheDragon | what one is it? |
| 15:16.01 | mgeary | the one where work should cease and outdoor enjoyment should commence |
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| 15:54.54 | mindjuju | greets all |
| 15:55.21 | mindjuju | thebigdog signing on at 9:45? must be CIO (or CTO can't remember which) hours |
| 15:56.42 | thebigdog | no i signed before 9am |
| 15:56.54 | thebigdog | but i still work crazy hours |
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| 16:18.30 | mgeary | whew |
| 16:22.37 | mgeary | prolly not.... |
| 16:24.53 | wps | no way |
| 16:25.08 | wps | she's going to stick it to the bloody, bitter end |
| 16:25.42 | xilch|w | I'd like to stick it up her bloody, bitter end. |
| 16:25.49 | wps | same |
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| 16:32.53 | orsonj | http://tetratech.info/orson/thebigdog.jpg <-- If he doesn't have this plate, he needs it. |
| 16:33.07 | orsonj | s/plate/plate cover |
| 16:34.31 | thebigdog | i do need that |
| 16:34.37 | thebigdog | i have most of the shirts |
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| 17:11.03 | thebigdog | yes thebigdog is here |
| 17:11.08 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 17:11.08 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
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| 17:15.19 | timinator | TY thebigdog |
| 17:15.27 | thebigdog | no worries |
| 17:15.29 | timinator | was missing that this morn |
| 17:15.39 | timinator | ~flip back to thebigdog |
| 17:15.39 | jbot | ACTION gives back to thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 17:24.13 | josephscott | ping wps |
| 17:24.21 | wps | ? |
| 17:24.36 | josephscott | when you said high traffic site, how high is high? |
| 17:24.49 | wps | million page views / month |
| 17:25.25 | josephscott | oh, in that case just run it on one web server, use the default PHP file session store and call it done |
| 17:25.39 | wps | we are load balanced between two servers |
| 17:25.52 | wps | and the database is on a third server |
| 17:26.05 | josephscott | for a million page views per month? just to for HA then? |
| 17:26.20 | wps | "to for HA"? |
| 17:26.32 | josephscott | high availability |
| 17:26.42 | josephscott | s/to// |
| 17:27.11 | josephscott | wps: what LB are you using now? |
| 17:27.18 | wps | LB? |
| 17:27.47 | wps | 10-20k visitors/day |
| 17:27.49 | josephscott | load balancer (sorry) |
| 17:28.02 | wps | I don't know what the load balancer is, sorry |
| 17:28.51 | wps | so you think that a single web server should be able to handle a 1 million page views per month, 6mb/sec throughput, and 10-20 visitors per day? |
| 17:28.58 | josephscott | as others have suggested there are load balancers that will provide sticky sessions, but that doesn't help if one of your two we servers go down |
| 17:29.24 | wps | I would be fine with the user loosing their session and having to start a new one if one of the servers happens to go down |
| 17:29.40 | josephscott | wps: depends on how heavy the app is and peak use, but the back of napkin math says yes |
| 17:30.13 | josephscott | in that case just use the default file session mechanism in PHP |
| 17:31.32 | josephscott | what does the 10 - 20k visitors per day translate to in page views? |
| 17:31.48 | wps | daily page views? |
| 17:32.05 | wps | sorryâ¦Â don't have that stat off the top of my headâ¦Â i'd have to look it up |
| 17:32.10 | josephscott | how many page requests is your load balancer processing per day |
| 17:32.24 | josephscott | ok, going back to the 1 million per month |
| 17:32.55 | josephscott | 1,000,000 / 22 (business days ) = 45454.545 page views per day |
| 17:33.31 | josephscott | 45454.545 / 10 (roughly business hours ) = 4545.4545 pages views per hour |
| 17:33.56 | josephscott | 4545.4545 / 60 minutes = 75.757575 page views per minute |
| 17:34.22 | josephscott | 75.757575 / 60 seconds = 1.2626263 page views per second |
| 17:34.40 | josephscott | so even if we round up to 2 page views per second, that's not much |
| 17:34.53 | josephscott | but doesn't take into account how heavy your app is, peak traffic, etc |
| 17:35.35 | wps | we have been getting SLAMMED by russian bots |
| 17:35.54 | wps | (notice how I didn't capitalize the country name out of intentional disrespect) |
| 17:36.04 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:36.20 | wps | Russia = land of spam, bots, and porn |
| 17:36.24 | wps | jbot, curse Russia |
| 17:36.25 | jbot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Russia ! |
| 17:36.32 | wps | excellent |
| 17:36.36 | mindjuju | and don't forget mail-order brides |
| 17:36.42 | wps | indeed |
| 17:37.07 | josephscott | yeah, we've had our share of DDOS attacks, often coming from our friends to the east |
| 17:38.03 | josephscott | that's where having LOTS of excess bandwidth can come in handy :-) |
| 17:39.31 | wps | got more info |
| 17:39.34 | wps | the load balancer is F5 BigIP |
| 17:40.13 | wps | and it does support server persistence |
| 17:40.23 | wps | I think that that is a nice option for my session problem |
| 17:40.26 | josephscott | ouch, you guys paid the big bucks! |
| 17:40.49 | wps | keep the user on the same server and store the file-based session files there on the server they are on |
| 17:41.17 | josephscott | for the setup and traffic that you described that sounds fine |
| 17:41.19 | brasto | test |
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| 17:42.27 | brasto | why must everything bad in the techy world end with "of death"? |
| 17:42.40 | brasto | on a mac, I get a spinning pizza wheel of death |
| 17:42.52 | brasto | much better than windows with the blue screen of death |
| 17:43.13 | brasto | a bad php script can give an empty white page of death |
| 17:43.38 | macnewbold | ~seen mindjuju |
| 17:43.43 | jbot | mindjuju is currently on #utos #uphpu. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 7m 7s, last said: 'and don't forget mail-order brides'. |
| 17:43.43 | brasto | and a bad line of js gives the yellow triangle of death in IE |
| 17:43.45 | macnewbold | ~nosepick mindjuju |
| 17:43.46 | jbot | ACTION plucks mindjuju out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch! |
| 17:43.50 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 17:43.50 | jbot | crushes mindjuju with a full height scsi disk |
| 17:43.57 | macnewbold | ~redirect mindjuju |
| 17:43.57 | jbot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 17:44.07 | macnewbold | ~asplode mindjuju |
| 17:44.08 | jbot | mindjuju head asplode, k thx |
| 17:44.28 | macnewbold | hm, I thought he would have woken up by now |
| 17:44.36 | mindjuju | i'm here |
| 17:44.39 | macnewbold | anyone know what next week's uphpu meeting is about? |
| 17:44.43 | macnewbold | g'day mindjuju! |
| 17:44.54 | macnewbold | we missed you on saturday night at the linux release party |
| 17:45.04 | mindjuju | yeah, it's Top 10 reasons to work for Code Greene by Mac Newbold |
| 17:45.07 | macnewbold | haha |
| 17:45.12 | macnewbold | you're hilarious sometimes |
| 17:45.23 | mindjuju | it's actually on AMFPHP |
| 17:45.24 | macnewbold | unfortunately, now isn't one of those times... ;) |
| 17:45.27 | macnewbold | okay |
| 17:45.31 | macnewbold | who's presenting |
| 17:45.32 | macnewbold | ? |
| 17:45.32 | mindjuju | well, let me verify |
| 17:45.47 | macnewbold | I need to send my regrets and apologies, since I won't be able to be there :( |
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| 17:46.26 | mindjuju | we take our apologizes in the form of Applebees Gift Cards |
| 17:46.40 | macnewbold | aha |
| 17:46.43 | mindjuju | and as a result, we'll all toast you and say at least 3 horrays in your honor |
| 17:50.35 | brasto | ~itunes |
| 17:50.35 | jbot | i heard itunes is a badass media manager/player that lets the user make "smart" playlists, or the DRM nazi. getting out of the DRM ring |
| 17:56.23 | wps | I love software updates that don't require you to reboot |
| 17:56.44 | PoeticIntensity | wps, josephscott... Do you guys know of any programs or statistics on what the max is that an apache server can handle? Or are there too many variables....? Benchmarking software? |
| 17:57.22 | PoeticIntensity | probably depends on hardware.... |
| 17:57.31 | josephscott | PoeticIntensity: how many it can handle is going to vary greatly depending on many variables, but for testing I usually just use ab |
| 17:57.41 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha. |
| 17:57.43 | josephscott | ab (apache bench) |
| 17:57.53 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I've heard / seen that, but I've never used it.. |
| 17:58.02 | PoeticIntensity | I should buckle down and run our dev server through an ab test.. |
| 17:58.37 | josephscott | ab comes with Mac OS X, if you have a mac |
| 17:59.25 | PoeticIntensity | I've seen it in Linux, too. |
| 18:00.10 | PoeticIntensity | yup... I just checked, and I've already got it on my dev server... |
| 18:01.07 | josephscott | yeah, if you've installed Apache some where on a un*x box then you've probably already got ab as well |
| 18:01.39 | josephscott | PoeticIntensity: depending on what you are trying to achieve, I don't recommend running ab on the same server that your target apache instance is running on |
| 18:01.53 | PoeticIntensity | oh? |
| 18:02.41 | PoeticIntensity | so.... I'm assumming ab (I'm reading the man page now) is just a program which sends requests to an apache server at a pre-determined rate (~) |
| 18:07.43 | josephscott | yep |
| 18:08.13 | josephscott | and if you run it on the same server as apache then ab and apache are competing for the same resources |
| 18:08.22 | PoeticIntensity | yup |
| 18:08.30 | josephscott | and it takes the network out of the equation |
| 18:08.36 | PoeticIntensity | also true... |
| 18:08.44 | PoeticIntensity | I must say.... |
| 18:08.49 | josephscott | tcp/ip and ethernet aren't free |
| 18:09.24 | PoeticIntensity | running Nature's Way has made me wonder just how much my apache installation can handle... |
| 18:09.46 | PoeticIntensity | it gets quite a few more hits than anyone here had anticipated... |
| 18:09.54 | PoeticIntensity | and it still is doing just fine. |
| 18:10.00 | josephscott | static files will always be faster than dynamic |
| 18:10.06 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 18:10.15 | josephscott | there are general rules that are easy to follow for testing |
| 18:10.35 | josephscott | but beyond that it tends to be very app/site/setup specific |
| 18:11.12 | PoeticIntensity | I can imagine as much.... |
| 18:11.18 | PoeticIntensity | I really should look into testing it... |
| 18:11.33 | PoeticIntensity | right now our site is getting around 5000 page views per day. |
| 18:11.41 | PoeticIntensity | 23500 hits per day... |
| 18:12.21 | PoeticIntensity | and around 90% of all page views open a pgsql / php connection and queries something.. |
| 18:13.06 | PoeticIntensity | and quite honestly... I have no idea what the capabilities of this server are. |
| 18:15.15 | josephscott | another common technique is to move all of your static files hosting (images, css, javascript) to a server optimized for that purpose |
| 18:15.26 | josephscott | no reason to load mod_php if you are just going to serve an image |
| 18:15.31 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt... |
| 18:15.34 | PoeticIntensity | great suggestion. |
| 18:15.42 | wps | that's what we are going to do |
| 18:15.42 | josephscott | that frees up more resources for your dynamic requests |
| 18:15.54 | wps | there is a third-party that does that with servers around the world |
| 18:15.59 | wps | Akami (no sure on spelling) |
| 18:16.54 | fungus | akamai |
| 18:16.54 | wps | that's it |
| 18:16.54 | wps | we are going to use them to cache all of our pages and images/videos/etc |
| 18:17.58 | josephscott | CDNs (content delivery networks) are really good for that sort of thing |
| 18:18.25 | josephscott | Akami is probably the biggest CDN out there, but there have been many other popping up that are probably cheaper |
| 18:18.37 | mindjuju | josephscott, it's funny you mention CDNs |
| 18:18.51 | mindjuju | was at a meet where they were talking about using Amazon S3 for a CDN |
| 18:18.57 | mindjuju | very compelling arguments |
| 18:18.59 | mindjuju | costs, etc |
| 18:19.03 | josephscott | yep, many people are going that route |
| 18:19.21 | josephscott | just keep in mind bandwidth costs for S3 still tend to be on the high side |
| 18:19.38 | mindjuju | yeah, but isn't Akami still a bit more? |
| 18:19.49 | josephscott | not saying you shouldn't use, just keep in mind it isn't a silver bullet |
| 18:19.51 | mindjuju | I looked at them for hosting our video |
| 18:20.02 | josephscott | mindjuju: oh yeah, Akami is not a cheap solution |
| 18:21.24 | PoeticIntensity | so.... Setting up a separate CDN server.... |
| 18:21.54 | PoeticIntensity | you would basically just setup a vanilla apache server with a directory full of media... |
| 18:22.07 | PoeticIntensity | and then link to it from the dynamic-content server..... |
| 18:22.08 | PoeticIntensity | ? |
| 18:22.11 | PoeticIntensity | seems simple enough... |
| 18:22.39 | josephscott | yep |
| 18:23.03 | josephscott | simple and works, hard combination to beat :-) |
| 18:23.52 | PoeticIntensity | probably be a great idea to put all your static HTML pages on the CDN as well.... |
| 18:24.08 | PoeticIntensity | very interesting... |
| 18:24.30 | PoeticIntensity | I've never built anything popular enough to even begin thinking about spreading out across servers... |
| 18:24.35 | PoeticIntensity | this is a *great* discussion. |
| 18:26.53 | josephscott | combine this with firebug in firefox and you'll get to see how low you can get your page loads |
| 18:46.45 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, i would not use apache for just media |
| 18:46.54 | thebigdog | i would use a smaller server |
| 18:47.18 | PoeticIntensity | lighttp (sp?) |
| 18:47.25 | PoeticIntensity | ? |
| 18:47.30 | thebigdog | yeah they have some really small ones |
| 18:47.34 | thebigdog | like throttle |
| 18:48.09 | wps | I agree with the recommendation to use lighttp over apache for just serving images |
| 18:48.49 | thebigdog | i have looked a using a cdn recently for some of our stuff |
| 18:52.14 | thebigdog | you also need to setup the dns for it too |
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| 19:28.41 | mgeary | hey |
| 19:28.45 | mgeary | what's the right way to do this: |
| 19:28.47 | mgeary | svn st | grep ! | xargs svn rm |
| 19:29.08 | mgeary | (to remove from svn a bunch of files that were deleted without going through svn) |
| 19:29.44 | mgeary | i'm guessing i'm going to have to explode the output and do a shell foreach... |
| 19:29.54 | fungus | svn st | grep \! | awk '{print $2}' | xargs svn rm |
| 19:30.24 | fungus | awk will pull out only the second column (the filenames) |
| 19:30.25 | mgeary | what does the awk cmd do? |
| 19:30.28 | mgeary | ah, duh |
| 19:30.30 | mgeary | thanks |
| 19:31.22 | fungus | ~awk++ |
| 19:39.58 | DexterTheDragon | ~awk++ |
| 19:40.03 | DexterTheDragon | ~sed++ |
| 20:01.44 | mindjuju | man, tired of geek knife-fights in the ghettos of xmission colo |
| 20:06.15 | SunSparc | geek knife-fights? sounds exciting! |
| 20:07.24 | mindjuju | yeah, pretty intense. |
| 20:07.34 | unum | does pashdown roam the isles with a machette? |
| 20:07.52 | mindjuju | xmission has these beautiful sleek black cabinets where the rich store their boxes |
| 20:07.57 | unum | oh this is #uphpu so that's no likely to get a response |
| 20:08.14 | mindjuju | then us, we have our box way in the far back |
| 20:25.23 | mgeary | weird weird weird |
| 20:25.54 | mgeary | i've got an SPL iterator that is somehow suddenly not realizing that it's an iterator |
| 20:27.07 | fungus | My servers at XM are in a cabinet, but it's really cramped. Can't wait to move to a bigger one. |
| 20:28.03 | mindjuju | fungus = lucky |
| 20:30.08 | synic | yeah, we'll be moving shortly too. |
| 20:30.18 | synic | we got our 18TB NAS boxen today |
| 20:30.19 | mindjuju | moving to the cabinets? |
| 20:30.35 | mindjuju | synic must be tired of the geek fights |
| 20:30.39 | synic | moving out of cabinets and into a new datacenter. |
| 20:30.46 | mindjuju | oh really? |
| 20:31.03 | mindjuju | i like xmissions, it has Himalayan Kitchen right next over |
| 20:31.14 | mindjuju | and it won best Indian food 2k7 |
| 20:31.35 | mindjuju | with a yummy buffet at 11:30 - 1:30 |
| 20:31.46 | mindjuju | which curiously enough is the optimum time to go and fix the servers |
| 20:31.50 | dataw0lf | "best indian food 2k7" |
| 20:31.56 | mindjuju | 2007 |
| 20:32.00 | dataw0lf | to me, that's the equivalent of ratemypoo.com |
| 20:32.22 | mindjuju | not sure what that means |
| 20:32.37 | dataw0lf | I am implying that Indian food sucks. |
| 20:32.42 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
| 20:33.01 | mindjuju | wasn't sure if you meant that or if you didn't care for my 2k7 abbreviation |
| 20:33.26 | dataw0lf | nah, just don't dig Indian food. |
| 20:34.53 | fungus | synic: 18TB wow, what kind? EMC, Netapp? |
| 20:35.23 | synic | isilon |
| 20:36.02 | dataw0lf | synic: nice |
| 20:36.11 | mindjuju | 18T ? totally missed that. that's prolly not big enough for beandog 's anime collection |
| 20:36.43 | synic | hah |
| 20:36.57 | fungus | Really fun. I got my 14TB Netapp installed last month. |
| 20:37.20 | synic | that must have been cheap |
| 20:37.25 | synic | (and stuff) |
| 20:38.15 | fungus | The sad part is once you add in all the licensing (NFS, CIFS, FiberChannel, etc) it wasn't cheap at all. |
| 20:38.23 | fungus | 50k+ |
| 20:38.59 | synic | hehe, yeah, there was some sarcasm in there :) |
| 20:39.10 | josephscott | synic: do those isilon systems use FreeBSD guts for OneFS? |
| 20:39.27 | synic | it's BSD, not sure about FreeBSD. |
| 20:39.28 | beandog | mindjuju, anime? no thanks. |
| 20:39.37 | mindjuju | just teasin' beandog |
| 20:39.40 | beandog | mindjuju, I did the math once, I think I need ~10TB |
| 20:39.41 | beandog | :T |
| 20:40.05 | mindjuju | have they released The Real Ghostbusters on DVD yet? |
| 20:40.14 | beandog | no, but its rumored to be coming soon |
| 20:40.17 | beandog | august/september |
| 20:40.32 | dataw0lf | beandog: you have 10 terabytes of anime? |
| 20:40.39 | beandog | gah, no anime |
| 20:41.02 | beandog | dataw0lf, cartoons |
| 20:45.06 | beandog | alright, no feeling good, laters |
| 20:47.23 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: the day I enjoy anime is the day I shove a shotgun in my mouth and blow my brains all over a Toyota Prius |
| 20:50.30 | SunSparc | Sounds like you have it all planned out already. |
| 20:52.04 | dataw0lf | no, it's just so impossible that I come up with something ridiculous I'd never do (like, y'know, watching anime and letting the Japanese culture machine work its evil on me) |
| 20:52.36 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 20:53.08 | mindjuju | though there are some things i've wanted to get around to see like Akira or Ghost in the shell |
| 20:53.10 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:53.29 | DexterTheDragon | doesn't get much better than Ghost in the Shell |
| 20:54.18 | SunSparc | I have heard good things about Hayao Miyazaki's works. I rented "Howls' Moving Castle" and my son and I enjoyed it. |
| 20:54.19 | mindjuju | i've heard good things about Ghost |
| 20:54.25 | dataw0lf | I've seen both. Akira is a decent movie, GitS is like some boring pothead preaching to you for a couple hours about his theory on the mind and it's separation from the physical realm. |
| 20:54.30 | mgeary | SunSparc: they're the best |
| 20:54.34 | mgeary | Spirited Away+++++ |
| 20:54.39 | mgeary | Howl's is great too |
| 20:54.43 | dataw0lf | oh man mgeary |
| 20:54.47 | mgeary | sorry, dude |
| 20:54.47 | dataw0lf | you're an anime fan huh |
| 20:54.49 | SunSparc | mgeary: Yeah, Spirited is on my list |
| 20:55.01 | mgeary | dataw0lf: not entirely. but Miyazaki is very talented |
| 20:55.03 | dataw0lf | why don't you go celebrate with your evil imperialistic brothers in Japan. |
| 20:55.07 | mgeary | hah |
| 20:55.10 | mgeary | funny you should say that |
| 20:55.13 | mgeary | my brother lives in Japan |
| 20:55.18 | dataw0lf | SEE?! |
| 20:55.28 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 20:56.03 | fungus | Miyazaki stuff isn't your run-of-the-mill anime. It's really great. All the rest sucks ass |
| 20:56.14 | dataw0lf | I'm personally of the mind that we should've nuked that entire country into the depths of Hell from which it came, but that's just my opinion. |
| 20:56.49 | dataw0lf | at least the Nazis had cool tanks. |
| 20:57.36 | mgeary | dataw0lf: and my bro is pretty imperialist: http://www.eisai.co.jp/ecompany/eprofile/eexecutive.html |
| 20:58.43 | fungus | That looks strange, He's the only non Japanese person. |
| 20:59.16 | fungus | He must be really really good at what he does to get invited into the club. |
| 20:59.30 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 20:59.49 | mgeary | yeah. first ever non-japanese executive |
| 21:00.19 | mgeary | first born and all that. Harvard undergrad, Stanford MD/Surgical residence |
| 21:00.24 | mgeary | typical overachiever ;) |
| 21:00.51 | wps | this is valid, right? |
| 21:00.52 | fungus | mindjuju: you must see all of these movies: Castle in the Sky, My Neighbor Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, Princess Mononoke, Sprited Away, and Howl's Moving Castle. |
| 21:00.56 | wps | return file_exists(); |
| 21:01.12 | wps | file_exists will return true or false and then I can immediately return that out of the function? |
| 21:01.21 | mgeary | fungus: though of that set, Kiki and Totoro are the least impressive |
| 21:01.33 | mgeary | wps: yes, as long as you pass a parameter ;) |
| 21:01.35 | fungus | What? I loved those. |
| 21:01.44 | wps | excellent |
| 21:01.53 | mindjuju | Howl's Moving Castle looks pretty cool |
| 21:02.05 | wps | nice to keep it simple (opposed to assigning it to a var and then returning that var) |
| 21:03.02 | fungus | But IMHO, Spirited Away is the first one to watch. |
| 21:06.48 | mindjuju | mgeary , fungus , do either of you know anything about this? http://www.amazon.com/Appleseed-Machina-Single-Disc-Kara-Greenberg/dp/B0010358CQ/ref=pd_sim_dbs_d_title_26 |
| 21:06.53 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:06.58 | tierra | if you want a good laugh, watch Pom Poko Tanuki... also, I wouldn't recommend letting the kids see it |
| 21:07.01 | mindjuju | seems like i saw a preview of it on Spike ro some channel |
| 21:07.04 | mindjuju | looked awesome |
| 21:07.04 | mgeary | a friend loaned it to me a couple of days ago |
| 21:07.10 | tierra | that's a quality Studio Ghibli movie |
| 21:07.35 | mgeary | i'd give it a 6.5 out of 10. decent, but not amazing. |
| 21:07.39 | tierra | mindjuju: I have that in 1080p :) |
| 21:07.48 | mindjuju | tierra, did you like it? |
| 21:07.51 | tierra | yes |
| 21:07.54 | tierra | it was good |
| 21:07.57 | mindjuju | mgeary didn't, but the previews made it look good |
| 21:08.21 | tierra | music was about as cheesy as the 2004 Appleseed, but still a good movie |
| 21:08.36 | mindjuju | this just came out, right? |
| 21:08.42 | mindjuju | like in last couple of months |
| 21:08.47 | tierra | yes |
| 21:09.18 | tierra | you want some HD for that movie |
| 21:09.22 | tierra | it's worth it |
| 21:09.54 | dataw0lf | you have to remember though that tierra still worships the Japanese emperor as a god, and is probably down with Sanko Sakusen |
| 21:10.38 | tierra | BURN KILL AND LOOT! |
| 21:11.11 | dataw0lf | go perpetrate a death march, you Japanese sympathizer! |
| 21:14.05 | mindjuju | ~APB herlo |
| 21:14.05 | jbot | ACTION hires baby Lyssa to rough up herlo |
| 21:21.52 | *** join/#uphpu wGEric (n=eric@phpbb/leader/wGEric) |
| 22:24.49 | mindjuju | Zoinks! VMWare Fusion 2.0 will be free upgrade to Fusion 1 owners! - http://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2008/05/more-displays-m.html |
| 22:33.06 | bradym | awesome :) |
| 22:33.10 | bradym | fusion rocks |
| 22:33.48 | mindjuju | we use it here too, it's way cool |
| 23:09.45 | mindjuju | man, ravetrax.com is playing some good stuff |
| 23:12.00 | *** part/#uphpu mrkrow (n=Chad@166.70.178.114) |
| 23:23.01 | timinator | gotta roll.... late |
| 23:23.06 | mindjuju | cya |
| 23:33.22 | mindjuju | for those of you with nothing better to do - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXF6a2ZXgp0 |
| 23:43.35 | Utah_Dave | woot! |
| 23:43.45 | mindjuju | sup Utah_Dave |
| 23:43.48 | Utah_Dave | Just got my new Ogio laptop backpack |
| 23:43.55 | Utah_Dave | very sweet |
| 23:44.10 | mindjuju | v cool! |
| 23:44.30 | mindjuju | what's it look like? |
| 23:44.35 | mindjuju | http://www.google.com/products?q=Ogio+laptop+backpack&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&um=1 |
| 23:45.42 | Utah_Dave | http://www.ogio.com/product.php?product=104 |
| 23:45.50 | Utah_Dave | I got the Navy blue one |
| 23:45.59 | mindjuju | v cool! |
| 23:46.09 | *** join/#uphpu beandog (n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 23:46.09 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v beandog] by ChanServ |
| 23:46.20 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I'm stoked. |
| 23:46.36 | Utah_Dave | It will beat lugging the lame Dell laptop case through the airport |
| 23:46.46 | mindjuju | but that backpack looks freakin' cool |
| 23:47.09 | mindjuju | sport for plane tickets too? |
| 23:47.14 | Utah_Dave | yep |
| 23:47.15 | mindjuju | and audio gear? |
| 23:47.31 | Utah_Dave | yeah, the ipod pocket has real soft fabric in it |
| 23:48.12 | Utah_Dave | I had a Jansport backpack that lasted me through High School, my mission and a couple of years of college before finally giving up the ghost |
| 23:48.55 | Utah_Dave | This Ogio comes with a 30 year warranty. So I guess if I retire from here they'll let me keep the backpack :) |
| 23:49.25 | beandog | does anyone know of an mp3 seller that will actually let you re-download your files if you lose them |
| 23:49.35 | beandog | when, not if, in my case. |
| 23:52.39 | Utah_Dave | I've heard of iTunes doing that if you call their support desk and raise a stink |
| 23:52.47 | Utah_Dave | but I'm not sure if they do that anymore |
