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00:36.22mindjujuanybody still around?
00:39.28Utah_Dave~tunafart mindjuju
00:39.29jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
00:40.33mindjujudo you know any tutorial sites for Ubuntu?
00:40.40mindjujui'm getting my butt kicked
00:40.56mindjujudon't mind reading up on stuff, but shesh!  takes like an hour research to do something
00:41.50Utah_DaveIt's definitely a learning curve to jump to a new Operating system
00:42.11mindjujuyeah, have the xp cd in the box, just haven't rebooted yet
00:42.11Utah_DaveIf you had to learn Solaris, you'd have the same learning curve
00:42.21Utah_Davewhat are you trying to accomplish?
00:42.45mindjujuweb server (LAMP)
00:42.48mindjujuwith SSH, FTP
00:42.58mindjujuif not too much to ask for, maybe mail server
00:43.38Utah_Davedid you do the LAMP install?
00:43.42Utah_Davetakes 10 minutes
00:43.55mindjujuyeah, chose that, should have picked ssh and mailserver off the install, but didn't
00:44.03mindjujuso i konw i have the stuff on there, but how to interface with it
00:44.35Utah_DaveWell, which program are you working on right now?
00:44.57mindjujustill trying to get kinks hammered out of FTP
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00:45.22Utah_Davevsftpd?
00:45.27mindjujuyeah
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00:45.44Utah_Daveyeah, that can be tricky.  How far have you gotten?
00:46.23mindjujuadding a user account, trying to reset the home directory to a web folder so that they can upload to a site that is theirs
00:47.32Utah_Davehttp://howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts
00:47.47mindjujuit's sooooo funny you give me that URL, I just found it
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00:48.25mindjujushort on the details, bad, tons of info, good
00:48.32Utah_Daveyeah
00:48.37Utah_Davetell you what
00:48.37mindjujui think with this tut it'll take me a long way though
00:48.45mindjuju:)
00:48.48Utah_DaveI can't stay too much longer today
00:48.57Utah_Davebut I'd like to help you out with this
00:49.03Utah_DaveAre you going to be around tomorrow evening?
00:49.14mindjujuno worries, i think this tut is what i need to stop me from reformating the box winXP
00:49.16mindjujuyeah, will be around
00:49.29Utah_DaveOK, because I know it's a bit painful to start.
00:49.46Utah_DaveBut you will be SO happy you started using Linux on your servers
00:49.57Utah_DaveYou just have to get over the initial hump
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00:50.24mindjujuwell, just the thought of running a server without having to think about stupid CALs is pretty motivating
00:50.28mindjujui'll stick to it
00:50.32mindjujuthx for the URL!
00:50.41Utah_DaveOK.
00:51.14Utah_DaveI know, I had to buy a dell server a few months ago for a client who demanded Server 2003.  I couldn't believe how much the CALs cost
00:51.36Utah_DaveYou're already paying for the server software. I can't believe you have to pay to connect to your already paid for server software
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00:51.55Utah_DaveOK, I'll talk to you tomorrow
00:51.58mindjujuyup, it's nuts
00:51.59mindjujuk, thx!
00:52.01Utah_Davedon't give up!
00:59.07beandogmindjuju, you working late
01:00.56mindjujubeandog yup
01:01.08mindjujutrying to work on some code and launch a family site on ubuntu 8
01:01.09beandogim gonna be here a while too
01:01.14beandogoh yah?
01:01.17beandogspawt ont.
01:01.26beandogI'm *finally* moving our system over to encrypted file systems
01:01.32beandogIll be able to sleep at night now.
01:01.41mindjuju:)
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02:14.39beandogI need to go get some food
02:14.44beandogthese file transfers are taking forever
02:14.49beandogand I'm still on step 2 of like 20
02:14.50beandogsheesh.
02:15.02beandogIm gonna be here all night.
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02:29.41Utah_DaveOoh, I could use some of that magic
02:54.57mindjujuanybody know waht quota is ?
02:55.07mindjujuas in apt-get install quota?
02:58.47Utah_Daveapt-cache show quota
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02:59.20Utah_DaveDescription: implementation of the disk quota system
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03:00.06mindjujuoh
03:01.04Utah_DaveI haven't used it, but that's a good way to find out what a package does
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03:36.21bradymmindjuju:  how goes your venture into linux?
03:37.15mindjujutaking a while
03:37.38bradymyeah, it takes some getting used to, but it's so worth it :)
03:38.57bradymI'm no dataw0lf, but i may be able to help if you have questions
03:39.04mindjujuk
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03:44.27DexterTheDragonmindjuju: whats the status on ironman?
03:45.16mindjujuDexterTheDragon - Paramount didn't want to play ball
03:45.26DexterTheDragonbastards
03:45.32mindjujuthought about maybe just doing a geek walkout on Friday where we all just bail out of work early and go see
03:45.45DexterTheDragonwe could do that
04:38.11mindjujubradym - you around?
04:38.21bradymyeah
04:38.26mindjujuwhat is LVM ?
04:39.31bradymLogical Volume Manager - it's for dealing with logical volumes - ie: a type of partitions
04:39.38bradymhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)
04:48.53mindjujubradym - what is good swap file size?
04:51.30bradymum.. hmm.. good question.. one sec, gonna check one of my servers to see what i've got it set to
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04:56.39bradymmindjuju:  it really depends on how what you're running on the box and how much memory you expect to be used.. just like in windows, your swap file or partition is used when you run out of real memory
04:58.03bradymdoesn't look like i have a swap partition on the server i was just checking, so logging into another one to see what i've got there
04:58.43mindjujuk
05:04.30bradymwell, i can't seem to figure out what size they are.. but according to http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/05/08/dual-boot-laptop.html?page=2 - the standard is twice the size of your ram
05:05.28mindjujuk
05:05.41mindjujuso quick question then
05:05.52mindjujuso i have 25g setup for / (i'm guessing that the OS stuff), 2G setup for Swap and 130G setup for /var (that's the folder for web isn't it?)
05:06.21mindjujuwell, i mean web folder is like /var/www
05:06.25bradymyou're on ubuntu right?
05:06.27DexterTheDragonusually it is
05:06.30mindjujuyeah, on ubuntu
05:06.56mindjujuso should i try to pin it down further to /var/www or is /var good enough?
05:07.20DexterTheDragonwell var also has your logs
05:07.26bradymyeah
05:07.51mindjujuoh good, so i do prolly want it there
05:07.51DexterTheDragonand if you want to keep a bunch of past ones it will need space
05:08.09bradymthat's a good point, you'll run out of space quick if you're keeping tons of old un-compressed logs
05:08.58bradymbut i believe that ubuntu does log compression and rotation on stuff in /var/log out of the box
05:09.16DexterTheDragonmore like it only keeps a week of old ones
05:09.46bradymyeah, that's a more accurate description ;)
05:51.32mindjujuanybody around?
06:00.44bradymyup... still here too
06:08.26DexterTheDragon~bored
06:08.26jbotLa ... lalalala ... beer!
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14:52.28Utah_Davemindjuju: how'd the battle go last night?
14:54.57mindjujuwell, it's been a bit bumpy
14:55.05mindjujustill not done getting stuff up and running
14:55.14mindjujuhave tons more reading to do
14:57.32Utah_DaveI wish I had time to come over and walk you through it
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15:45.02mindjujuYipee!  tomorrow forecast: Snow!
15:46.33_psychic_~lart utah_weather
15:46.33jbotstabs utah_weather
15:46.39DexterTheDragonright now forcast: snow
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16:10.10mindjuju~chuckfact
16:10.10jbotChuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops
16:11.12SunSparc~chuckfact
16:11.13jbotWhen the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris
16:15.31mindjujui get this request from marketing, why is our HTML email foob'd and why does it take so long to render?... uh, could it be that friggin' 200k jpeg that measures 600x300 that you used HTML to resize to 200x100??
16:15.36mindjujujust a guess
16:15.53mindjujuhow about you optimize that jpeg, and oh, idon't know, reduce the size?!?!>
16:17.01SunSparcMarketing should not be allowed to touch graphics or web assets, unless they are also on the web team.
16:20.30_psychic_Marketing should not be allowed. Period.
16:21.29SunSparchehe, well... someone needs to talk to the clients and schmooze them.
16:22.47SunSparcAnd you know developers have no interest in that, usually.
16:22.50SunSparc:)
16:23.09mindjujuah yes, that reminds me of something:
16:23.18mindjujuBob Slydell: What would you say ya do here?
16:23.18mindjujuTom Smykowski: Well look, I  already told you! I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have  to! I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people! Can't you understand  that? What the heck is wrong with you people?
16:23.31mindjujuoops, missed a bad word
16:23.33mindjujusorry!
16:23.36SunSparchehe
16:23.46SunSparcGreat people skills apparently
16:24.20mindjujuoffice space is such a good movie
16:25.38SunSparcYeah, especially "The Bob's".
16:26.09mindjuju:)
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16:57.29wpsis it possible to do something like this?
16:57.52wpsdelete from table where column is not in (value1, value2, value3)
16:57.53wps?
16:58.21mgearyhey, anyone here tried to set up chrooted sftp on OS X?
16:58.36mgearywps: you can do that if you put a subselect into a delete
16:58.45wpsk
16:58.45wpsthanks
16:59.07mgearydelete from table where id IN (select id from table where field NOT IN (1,2,3))
16:59.12mgearysomething like that
16:59.16wpsnice
16:59.24mgearyjust make sure you check it first ;)
16:59.39wps:)
17:06.52wpshow do you show comments on a column?
17:07.00wpsis that a flag you pass in on a describe?
17:07.02wps(MySQL)
17:14.01orsonjSHOW FULL COLUMNS FROM ...
17:18.47wpsexcellent
17:18.49wpsthank you, orsonj
17:20.19orsonjno prob
17:21.56orsonjI never could figure out how to get comments until I looked at describe and saw the reference to 'show columns'
17:22.29wpsthat's weird that it's now part of describe
17:22.40orsonjslow day + google + lucky
17:22.45wpsha ha ha
17:23.01wpsI'm starting to leave comments on columns that are boolean values
17:23.07wpsmakes live easier
17:24.45wpsdid what you read say if you can show it on just one column?
17:25.11orsonjhttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/show-columns.html
17:25.18orsonjyou might be able to use LIKE
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17:27.06wpslike worked
17:27.08wpsexcellent
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17:29.37orsonjwait, that is called a Concierge
17:30.42wpsis there a way to add a comment to a column without all of the complexity of alter table?
17:30.56wpsmeaning, will just…
17:31.16wpsalter table tablename change columnname comment="comment here"
17:31.17wps…work?
17:31.48wps(my understanding is that to use alter table, you have to specify the columns type and everything again… even if you're not changing it)
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17:47.44timinatormornin' guys
17:47.48mindjujusup
17:47.51timinator(for another 12 min)
17:48.07mindjujui'm just writing out an email on why we shouldn't use every font under the sun, just because it's on your computer
17:48.08orsonjI think there is a table in the mysql database where you can modify things directly if you are carefull
17:48.12Utah_DaveHas anyone here had the unfortunate opportunity to support somone using MS Access as a front end to MySQL?
17:48.20mindjujuthat not everybody has the same fonts you do
17:48.33timinatorthat sounds like a killer email mindjuju
17:48.49mindjujuyeah, they are being boneheads and indignant
17:48.56mindjujulucky me, i have one thing going for me
17:49.05orsonjyou get paid more than them?
17:49.13timinatorcan't say that I have there Utah_Dave
17:49.14mindjujui have the trigger on myside, it ain't going until i says its going
17:49.23mindjujuand yup on the pay
17:49.28timinatorLOL
17:51.30mindjujuso what did you decide on mobile broadband timinator ?
17:51.41timinatorhaven't
17:51.49timinatorbut did come across the OQO
17:51.55timinatorthat thing is way cool
17:53.38timinatorit's not satellite, but is cool nontheless
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17:55.50mindjujulooks cool
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17:59.47timinatorsup thebigdog
18:00.04thebigdognot much...just coming back from a long meeting
18:00.12timinatorloverly
18:00.45thebigdogyeah a lot of work to do
18:13.41timinatoranybody writing anything for the iPod/iPhone??
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18:14.10timinatorI'm just curious is all
18:24.40mindjujusorry, haven't written anything for the iphone timinator, but i could prolly whip up a sonnet real fast
18:24.48wpswe are going to be, timinator
18:25.00wpswe are working on getting two in to start testing/developing
18:25.19timinatorweb stuff or ObjC?
18:26.03wpsfirst, just web
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18:36.30wpswhite chocolate chunk macadamia nut
18:37.25wpsI am so full
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18:58.21wpsthe world is a better place because of cookies like that
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19:28.32beandogmoop.
19:28.44beandogwho wants to go to Wendys for me?
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19:55.21beandogmm,bacon
19:55.46wpsturkey bacon avocado on facacia from Kneaders
19:55.52wpsbop-yah!
19:56.03wpss/bop/boo/
19:56.17mgearys/bacon avocado/provolone/
19:56.21wpsmoist peppered turkey
19:56.24wpsmmm
20:01.04beandogbop
20:01.11beandogI dont think we have Kneaders up here
20:01.13beandognot that Ive seen one
20:01.15beandogor looked.
20:01.24beandogno wait, I think theres one on 2100 S
20:01.36beandogor am i thinking of 106th
20:05.55brasto~lart construction on the street I live on
20:05.55jbotoverclocks construction on the street I live on until construction on the street I live on burns out
20:10.43mindjujusup jsmith
20:11.11jsmithInstalling everything on my new laptop
20:11.13jsmith(and trying to still get work done on the old in the meantime)
20:11.15jsmithAnd meetings... lots of meetings today
20:11.23mindjujuway cool, tornados were far from you?
20:11.43mindjujui forget, where you at?  roanoke ?
20:11.46jsmithmindjuju: About an hour south... we didn't see anything more than a little wind
20:11.52jsmithmindjuju: I'm near Fredericksburg
20:12.01mindjujuoh yeah!  was wondering how you were
20:12.10jsmithI'm doing fine
20:12.28jsmithIn Huntsville, Alabama today
20:13.39mindjujudriven through there before
20:13.44mindjujupretty country
20:15.18beandog~buckwheat jsmith
20:15.49mindjujua failed jbot attack is like punching and missing all together
20:16.00jsmith~prarie beandog
20:16.08mindjujureally leaves you open for counterpunch
20:16.09beandogmindjuju, lol
20:17.42jsmithjbot: prarie $beandog is <action> takes $beandog out to the prarie and shows him land so flat he can see the back of his head on the horizon  
20:17.42jbotokay, jsmith
20:17.45jsmith~prarie beandog
20:17.45jbotACTION takes beandog out to the prarie and shows him land so flat he can see the back of his head on the horizon
20:17.55beandogI'm a variable! \o/
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20:25.23wpswhat do you get when you write mod_rewrite rules wearing a tie-died t-shirt?
20:25.49fungustie-died brain?
20:25.53wpsRastafarian regex
20:25.59SunSparclol
20:26.01jsmithwps: Complete w/ dreds?
20:26.16wpsreggaex
20:26.49wpshttp://www.ilovewavs.com/Effects/Music/RimShot.wav
20:26.57SunSparcwps: You have been having too much fun with mod_rewrite
20:27.08wpstrue
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22:13.38mindjujujbot, what are you talking about ?
22:13.39jbotACTION are you talking about to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion
22:16.29unumhas everyone here seen "the camel has two humps"
22:17.04SunSparcIs that a new movie?
22:17.33unumno it's an article about programming
22:17.38unumsorry very boring
22:17.54SunSparchehe
22:18.33SunSparcThe Perl o'Reilly book has a camel on it.
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22:19.52SunSparcWhat camel is your article talking about?
22:20.38unumit's talking about the bell curve actualy
22:20.54unumit says in programming classes there are actually two curves
22:21.12unumone for students who understand programing and one for those that don't
22:21.56unumthere's a cross over in the c range between student who don't understand programming but work very hard, and lazy students that understand programming
22:22.15SunSparcMakes sense.
22:22.26SunSparcReally, that is intereseting
22:22.58unumhttp://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/paper1.pdf
22:23.01unumsorry it's pdf
22:23.37unumthe really interesting thing to me about it is how early they could figure out who would be able to program and who couldn't
22:25.35SunSparcThanks, looks like some good bathroom reading.
22:25.43SunSparcThat is the place where I think anyway.
22:25.45SunSparc:)
22:26.12SunSparcunum: must not have an iPhone yet.
22:26.28SunSparclol
22:26.30unumone time I told a friend I was reading Machaveli's discoures, he told me that was his current bathroom book......
22:26.42SunSparclol
22:27.17unumof course he's the only other person I know who has EVER read that book
22:27.23SunSparcI find it interesting who is comfortable reading in the bathroom and who is not.
22:27.41unumI'm just not in there long enough to get anywhere....
22:27.53mgearyno, seriously
22:27.58mgearyi'm just not
22:28.18unumof course if I had kids it might be the only place I'm not constantly interupted
22:28.45SunSparcunum: exactly.  The door has a lock on it and I am safe.
22:29.05unumI have an entire three bedroom condo to myself
22:29.15unumI can find a lot more comfortable places
22:29.22SunSparcLucky!
22:29.28unumit's nice
22:29.38unumthe no sex part really sucks though....
22:29.53SunSparcYeah, I got one up on you then.
22:30.17SunSparcthere are always trade off's in everything
22:30.36mindjujuyup, your still here
22:30.38unumare we off topic?
22:30.42SunSparcjbot what mgeary
22:30.42jbotACTION mgeary to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion
22:30.58mgearyjbot mgeary SunSparc
22:30.58jbotgo do something useful
22:30.59unumyou should see #linux on linux.usu.edu
22:31.00SunSparcThere is a topic in here?
22:31.07SunSparclol
22:31.11SunSparcmgeary: good one
22:31.24mindjujuwell, it's funny ya'll mention topics, did you see the latest taser video?
22:31.30mindjuju;)
22:32.26SunSparcNope
22:32.34mindjujui was just teasin
22:32.37mindjujudon't have anything
22:32.45SunSparc;)
22:53.05mindjujucool!  they arrested the Devil!  - http://www.local6.com/news/16040578/detail.html
22:54.18mindjujunow, if only they could arrest thebigdog , there is a guy causing mischief
22:55.06thebigdogim dont care about the world
22:55.13thebigdogi just want money is all
22:55.20thebigdogis there a money devil?
22:55.53mindjujuwell, i guess you could be Fortuna
22:55.58mindjujuthe goddess of fortune
22:56.03wpsI'm not for tuna
22:56.05mindjujuwould explain some things
22:56.05wpsI hate tuna
22:56.08wpssmells like cat food
22:56.28thebigdogcat food is made from tuna
22:56.32mindjujuyeah, don't be feeding tuna to cats, it does bad things for them
22:56.39mindjujulike can tuna that is
22:56.45wpssorry… it's 17:00… I need to go home
22:57.07mindjujucat + fresh tuna == tunafart^2
22:57.27wpsoh, no… we didn't need to go there
22:57.35mindjujusorry, i'll end it here
22:57.45beandoglol
22:57.51mindjuju~thebigdog
22:57.51jbotmethinks thebigdog is the postgreSQL guru, a GWAR groupie, or secretly loves AOL, or a lover of cursors
22:58.14thebigdog~tunafart wps
22:58.15jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to wps, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
22:58.22thebigdogoh yeah...that is awesome
22:58.24mindjujuDaikokuten  is the japanese god of wealth
22:58.48beandoghttp://www.catenema.com/cat.html
22:58.52mindjujuhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daikokuten
22:58.53beandognothing tops that
23:02.26mindjujubeandog, that's awesome
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