| 00:51.46 | wps | I just got done grilling burgers and going for a walk around the neighborhood, olds |
| 00:51.51 | wps | it is gorgeous indeed |
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| 01:22.21 | wps | anyone around for a class question? |
| 01:27.56 | wps | never mind |
| 01:27.59 | wps | I think I got it |
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| 15:09.58 | timinator | morning guys |
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| 16:00.50 | beandog | http://failblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/pot-of-gold-fail/ |
| 16:03.26 | SunSparc | maybe the port'a'potty was just situated over the pot of gold :) |
| 16:04.55 | mindjuju | oh wow |
| 16:05.19 | mindjuju | the old DOS game of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy available online |
| 16:05.20 | mindjuju | http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/game_andrew.shtml |
| 16:05.55 | mindjuju | and it has some graphics! |
| 16:08.26 | SunSparc | Hours of mindless fun. |
| 16:08.30 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:08.49 | mindjuju | i love this game! |
| 16:13.45 | mindjuju | prolly better I get started working anyways |
| 16:20.54 | mindjuju | does it play online? |
| 16:21.09 | mindjuju | oh wait, that's CoD |
| 16:21.10 | mindjuju | k |
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| 16:31.31 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
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| 16:33.41 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 16:33.42 | jbot | ACTION summons Beth to rough up herlo |
| 16:37.27 | brasto | beandog, if i remember right macnewbold said you are the one that databased lds standard works? |
| 16:37.40 | beandog | si |
| 16:37.44 | beandog | http://scriptures.nephi.org |
| 16:37.55 | brasto | are you on the ldsoss list? |
| 16:38.01 | beandog | yahp |
| 16:38.31 | beandog | I've got a new release thats ready to push out, I just have to finish the documentatin. |
| 16:38.34 | beandog | documentation |
| 16:39.35 | brasto | did you see the recent thread about scriptures for a palm? |
| 16:39.55 | beandog | no |
| 16:40.07 | brasto | might be a good time to mention it there :) |
| 16:40.37 | beandog | didnt they move the list? |
| 16:40.39 | beandog | or were going to |
| 16:40.44 | brasto | they did |
| 16:40.47 | brasto | now it's on google |
| 16:40.52 | beandog | you have a link? |
| 16:41.24 | brasto | http://groups.google.com/group/ldsoss |
| 16:41.37 | brasto | http://groups.google.com/group/ldsoss/browse_thread/thread/8891e2d5b54449f8 |
| 16:41.43 | brasto | second link is for the thread |
| 16:44.37 | beandog | brasto, okay, thanks. I dont have access to my email right now, but Ill chime in, thx :) |
| 16:44.52 | brasto | yw |
| 16:45.57 | beandog | I wouldnt bother with the latest 2.x release, it's quite messy to the new 3.0 that'll be done any day now. |
| 16:46.13 | beandog | I could tarball the new one if you want, the actual data is ready. |
| 16:46.27 | beandog | I'm just obsessing over the docs. |
| 16:46.31 | brasto | lol |
| 16:46.38 | beandog | since it will probably be the last release. |
| 16:47.09 | brasto | i'd probably do the same, beandog - possibly even if it weren't the last release |
| 16:48.07 | beandog | well, yah, Ive always obsessed over them. It's a sensitive subject, in a way, so I want to make sure I clarify exactly what I've been doing and why things are the way they are. |
| 16:51.44 | mindjuju | anybody remember off hand what the recommended ratio of nav to content on a page? |
| 16:52.11 | mindjuju | seems like it is no more than 25% should be dedicated to nav |
| 16:53.03 | macnewbold | you talking about viewable area? |
| 16:53.08 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:53.09 | macnewbold | I'd say 25% is more thane nough |
| 16:53.21 | mindjuju | k |
| 16:53.37 | mindjuju | read a book on web usability, but couldn't remember the num, and didn't see it on google |
| 16:53.53 | macnewbold | if you've got more nav than that, or less content than that, then you're possibly breaking up your pages into groups that are too small |
| 16:54.06 | macnewbold | in many cases I'd probably say it's closer to 10-15% |
| 17:04.00 | wps | I have an apache vhost that is spitting this⦠|
| 17:04.01 | wps | Vary: Host Content-Length: 18 Keep-Alive: timeout=5, max=100 Connection: Keep-Alive Content-Type |
| 17:04.07 | wps | â¦out to the browser instead of serving up the page |
| 17:04.15 | wps | any ideas why it's doing that? |
| 17:04.37 | wps | (just that text on a plain white page) |
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| 17:13.33 | orsonj | I wonder if one of the other headers is not being output correctly |
| 17:15.04 | wps | found it |
| 17:15.13 | wps | turns out this server needs |
| 17:15.14 | wps | UseCanonicalName off |
| 17:24.50 | wps | where does the PHP include path get set? |
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| 17:36.56 | brasto | should i create a folder in dev called elearningsystems? |
| 17:37.39 | wps | yes |
| 17:39.37 | wps | I have several classes that I am including view require_once() |
| 17:39.48 | wps | they all work except one |
| 17:40.19 | wps | one makes the site barf giving an error that the file cannot be included because it cannot be found within the include_path |
| 17:40.33 | wps | the file is in the same folder with all of the other classes and they have identical permissions |
| 17:40.43 | wps | how could this one not work when all of the others do? |
| 17:51.19 | timinator | sup mindjuju ...busy monday here |
| 18:00.19 | bradym | wps: include_path can be changed in .htaccess files and via ini_set (i think) so double check both of those.. also double check the case of the file name, i've had that cause problems before |
| 18:01.51 | wps | thanks |
| 18:02.14 | wps | found itâ¦Â I am using mod_rewrites in my httpd.conf to change where files are coming from |
| 18:02.18 | wps | so that include_path was wrong |
| 18:02.35 | wps | so I had to add something to update the include_path to accomadate |
| 18:02.40 | bradym | ahh.. that'll do it |
| 18:05.51 | wps | 'u' in vi undoes the latest thing |
| 18:05.56 | wps | what is redo |
| 18:06.00 | wps | I want to put it back |
| 18:06.56 | beandog | there is no redo. there is only do or do not. |
| 18:07.04 | wps | ahâ¦Â ctrl + r |
| 18:07.09 | wps | ha ha |
| 18:07.21 | brasto | ~jedi beandog |
| 18:07.22 | jbot | ACTION zaps beandog with her jedi powers |
| 18:07.29 | beandog | jbot is female? |
| 18:07.30 | jbot | ACTION confuses all the nearby males |
| 18:07.51 | wps | I don't believe that |
| 18:09.02 | jnbek | well... just look how abusive jbot can be, then turn right around and act all sweet like nothing ever happened.... |
| 18:09.07 | jnbek | makes sense to me now.. |
| 18:09.15 | beandog | very femmie. |
| 18:10.00 | wps | he talked to me about his girlfriend before though and I don't think he's a lesbian |
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| 18:11.33 | jnbek | wps, you know how some girls refer to their best friends as girlfriends... |
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| 18:38.07 | beandog | mindjuju, of course, all the data is stored in the etherwebs. |
| 18:38.18 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:38.28 | mindjuju | actually, i played an encore performance of Crazy Train |
| 18:38.42 | mindjuju | it's just so flabbergasting that she could be in charge of the project and know as little as she does |
| 18:39.04 | beandog | that's how people become project leads. |
| 18:39.06 | mindjuju | you can't even say that she was absent that day, when she was learning about MS SQL, cause that's done on the first day |
| 18:39.20 | beandog | the less they know,t he more they get promoted. |
| 18:39.31 | mindjuju | yeah, seeing it now, and its scary |
| 18:40.04 | beandog | which is why you lock th e server closet and only give the key to the real sysadmins. |
| 18:40.37 | mindjuju | well, she doesn't have access to our servers |
| 18:41.06 | beandog | I'm just saying, as principle, you restrict access from the clueless peopel as much as possible |
| 18:41.08 | mindjuju | and I keep my passwords in a trueCrypt partition |
| 18:41.14 | mindjuju | oh, fo sho |
| 18:41.20 | beandog | I really need to encrypt my harddrives. |
| 18:41.21 | beandog | :T |
| 18:41.22 | beandog | meh. |
| 18:41.25 | beandog | hard work |
| 18:41.30 | mindjuju | dude, trueCrypt is a dream |
| 18:41.32 | beandog | maybe Ill do that today. |
| 18:41.35 | beandog | wazaat |
| 18:41.37 | mindjuju | i loves trueCrypt |
| 18:41.48 | mindjuju | trueCrypt is OSS file encryption |
| 18:41.52 | mindjuju | very good |
| 18:42.01 | mindjuju | sexier in my opine than PGP |
| 18:42.15 | mindjuju | it will take a full partition if you want, or save its data in a file |
| 18:42.44 | mindjuju | has capability for plausible denial, though iddn't read too much into it |
| 18:42.56 | mindjuju | pretty sure there is a port for linux |
| 18:43.26 | mindjuju | yup, they have linux ver |
| 18:43.30 | mindjuju | http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php |
| 18:43.52 | beandog | Im all about sexy software. |
| 18:44.01 | mindjuju | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueCrypt |
| 18:47.57 | cycokilr | you know, linux has the built in ability to encrypt partitions.. just fyi.. |
| 18:48.39 | beandog | yah, I know |
| 18:48.47 | beandog | its just a matter of reading up, figuring out how to do it. |
| 18:48.54 | cycokilr | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Loopback-Encrypted-Filesystem-HOWTO.html |
| 18:48.59 | cycokilr | wow, that's kinda old i guess.. |
| 18:49.07 | cycokilr | i'm sure there is more recent info on it.. |
| 18:49.47 | cycokilr | hm, a little newer.. on fedora.. http://fedoranews.org/alex/tutorial/crypto/ |
| 18:50.02 | cycokilr | $fedora-- |
| 18:50.24 | beandog | heh |
| 18:58.43 | mindjuju | you around dataw0lf |
| 19:06.57 | beandog | cycokilr, Im gonna try dm-crypt |
| 19:08.23 | cycokilr | nice, that's got support for a lot more types it looks like.. |
| 19:08.52 | beandog | types? |
| 19:09.32 | cycokilr | well, like raid & lvm support.. |
| 19:09.42 | beandog | oh, right |
| 19:10.11 | cycokilr | i guess device types would have made more sense.. |
| 19:11.23 | cycokilr | what distro are you on> |
| 19:11.24 | cycokilr | ? |
| 19:12.12 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 19:12.19 | thebigdog | not much and you |
| 19:12.21 | mgeary | hey, thebigdog |
| 19:12.26 | mgeary | kk |
| 19:12.34 | thebigdog | ty |
| 19:12.40 | mgeary | ym |
| 19:16.04 | beandog | cycokilr, nothing but gentoo, baby |
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| 19:26.53 | mindjuju | man, if you dig it, ravetrax.com is playing some freakin' awesome breaks |
| 19:27.37 | thebigdog | i dont dig it |
| 19:27.58 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 19:28.03 | thebigdog | the man in black |
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| 19:56.41 | mgeary | weeeeeeird |
| 19:56.55 | SunSparc | ? |
| 19:57.09 | mgeary | so check this out. i'm trying to debug a web error |
| 19:57.22 | mgeary | one of those annoying Safari messages "The server dropped the connection" |
| 19:57.33 | mgeary | so i'm watching the access_log |
| 19:58.04 | mgeary | i do a postback, and the POST *doesn't show* in the access_log, but the PHP code *does* get executed |
| 19:59.03 | mgeary | and no, it doesn't show in the error_log either |
| 20:01.16 | SunSparc | That IS weird. |
| 20:01.25 | SunSparc | Is it a shared server? |
| 20:01.30 | SunSparc | vhost? |
| 20:01.38 | mgeary | yes |
| 20:01.41 | SunSparc | Perhaps log info is going into the root logs? |
| 20:01.51 | mgeary | if so, then ONLY for that postback |
| 20:01.56 | mgeary | i see all the other activity |
| 20:02.20 | SunSparc | Maybe it is not getting to the vhost call. |
| 20:02.54 | tierra | does the postback go over HTTPS? |
| 20:02.55 | mgeary | i'd think the log entry would happen *before* the php code would be executed, and that would require the vhost |
| 20:03.02 | mgeary | tierra: nope |
| 20:03.11 | mgeary | i've got Charles up now to monitor it |
| 20:03.38 | mgeary | "Remote server closed the connection before sending response header" |
| 20:13.22 | timinator | if you were looking to setup a satellite internet connection, where would you go? |
| 20:14.24 | beandog | outer space |
| 20:14.27 | SunSparc | You are trying to connect to a satellite? |
| 20:14.43 | SunSparc | Sweet! What kind of download/upload speeds? |
| 20:14.52 | timinator | trying to equip my mobile guys to get the internet |
| 20:15.24 | SunSparc | You are trying to find a service? |
| 20:15.29 | timinator | the guys are used to Comcast speeds, so something like that |
| 20:15.32 | mindjuju | i'd use verizon wirless broadband |
| 20:15.36 | timinator | and equipment |
| 20:15.38 | mgeary | satellite is awful for latency |
| 20:15.51 | timinator | but good for remote access |
| 20:15.54 | mgeary | fast for sustained throughput, but lousy for lots of short connections |
| 20:16.00 | mindjuju | card is like $100 and monthly is $60 |
| 20:16.08 | mindjuju | josephscott has the scoop on it |
| 20:16.11 | timinator | what technology is that? |
| 20:16.14 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 20:16.15 | timinator | mindjuju? |
| 20:16.18 | timinator | fo sho |
| 20:16.25 | josephscott | I have a scoop? |
| 20:16.26 | mindjuju | it's just using cell towers, AFAIK |
| 20:16.33 | mindjuju | scoop on wireless broadband |
| 20:16.37 | SunSparc | timinator: I assume you have Googled already. |
| 20:16.57 | timinator | have been for the last hour |
| 20:17.02 | josephscott | oh, yeah, I've got the sprint evdo |
| 20:17.03 | mindjuju | you and your never-off-the-internet ways |
| 20:17.08 | SunSparc | The one I have heard about most recently is Hughes Net http://www.satellitefamily.com/satellite-internet.asp |
| 20:17.11 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 20:17.14 | SunSparc | I saw a commercial for them on TV |
| 20:17.28 | josephscott | what's this off the internet of which you speak? :-) |
| 20:17.31 | mindjuju | sunsparc, yeah, but i think that needs DirectTV, no? |
| 20:17.46 | mindjuju | he's dudes need to be mobile |
| 20:17.48 | beandog | josephscott, its america ... online! |
| 20:17.51 | SunSparc | Yeah, I think it is just home based |
| 20:17.53 | mindjuju | not lugging around a sat dish |
| 20:18.00 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:18.00 | timinator | need to be mobile |
| 20:18.02 | timinator | :) |
| 20:18.09 | SunSparc | mount the dish to the car |
| 20:18.16 | timinator | and usually out of range for cell phones |
| 20:18.17 | SunSparc | Setup a sat tracking program |
| 20:18.29 | timinator | but I haven't ruled out cell towers |
| 20:18.36 | timinator | would just like to look into satcom |
| 20:18.45 | beandog | dont forget skynet |
| 20:19.03 | mindjuju | like from Terminator ? |
| 20:19.41 | beandog | its real, man. |
| 20:19.44 | timinator | Terminator? |
| 20:20.03 | timinator | did he have a satellite internet connection on him?? |
| 20:20.50 | timinator | aren't there cell phones that work off satellites? |
| 20:21.02 | beandog | oh yah |
| 20:21.05 | beandog | world phones |
| 20:21.05 | timinator | why don't they make a router that does thte same??? |
| 20:21.07 | beandog | or w hatever they call em. |
| 20:21.12 | beandog | theyre pretty spendy. |
| 20:21.15 | timinator | s/thte/the/ |
| 20:21.17 | wps | I've used sat phone |
| 20:21.18 | wps | they're great |
| 20:21.21 | beandog | besides, there is horrible latency anytime use use satellite for internets. |
| 20:22.01 | timinator | they need to do the same thing, but attach an 802.11n router |
| 20:22.08 | timinator | that'd be perfect |
| 20:22.14 | timinator | just leave it in the car |
| 20:22.27 | mindjuju | too bad you can't write the app so that it would store the data locally until it detected internet |
| 20:22.37 | timinator | ya.... |
| 20:24.46 | timinator | something like this http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/ with a satellite antenna |
| 20:25.36 | wps | I have one of those I'll sell if anyone wants it |
| 20:26.02 | timinator | I just bought 2 |
| 20:26.04 | timinator | dang |
| 20:26.18 | mgeary | wps: how much? |
| 20:26.19 | timinator | don't need any more |
| 20:26.30 | wps | I'm currently only using it to ensure a stead electricity draw so that the city doesn't forget that I am there |
| 20:26.45 | wps | s/stead/steady/ |
| 20:27.01 | wps | I's an awesome little router |
| 20:27.13 | wps | I used it for quite a while but don't need it anymore now that I have an TV |
| 20:27.56 | wps | let me ask my wife if she is fine with me selling it and I'll get back to you |
| 20:28.03 | mgeary | sure |
| 20:28.04 | wps | I don't see a reason to keep it around |
| 20:29.29 | mindjuju | timinator |
| 20:29.58 | mindjuju | got yoru answer |
| 20:32.19 | mindjuju | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Internet_access || http://www.satellitephonestore.com/inmarsat/inmarsat-satellite-phone-rental.php |
| 20:32.24 | mindjuju | not very cheap though |
| 20:32.32 | orsonj | My neighbor has internet through Hughes, and I'd rather have two bonded 56k modems than Hughes satellite. |
| 20:33.22 | mindjuju | maybe i'll get this though and one up josephscott - HUGHES HNS-9201 |
| 20:33.24 | orsonj | one 56k modem vs hughes leans ever so slightly toward hughes. |
| 20:33.26 | Utah_Dave | jbot, give timinator a really long piece of cat6 |
| 20:33.26 | jbot | ACTION gives a really long piece of cat6 to timinator |
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| 20:34.41 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:34.47 | timinator | thx Utah_Dave |
| 20:34.55 | timinator | mindjuju: reading up |
| 20:35.09 | mindjuju | that wiki explains all about sat internet connection |
| 20:35.36 | mindjuju | i knew about the hughes internet via sat coming inbound and telephone going out, but seems like they've upgraded since i last looked into it |
| 20:36.17 | orsonj | Hughes limits you to 200M of bandwidth, so a big update will hose your connection for hours afterword. (with their cheapest plan) |
| 20:36.43 | mindjuju | yeah, so no torrents |
| 20:36.58 | orsonj | no iso downloads either |
| 20:37.00 | beandog | ~pirate mindjuju |
| 20:37.26 | mindjuju | Argh! |
| 20:37.40 | mindjuju | course, though, one could torrent and not be a pirate |
| 20:37.45 | orsonj | I found this out when he tried to download a copy of visual studio from microsofts very nicely connected servers. |
| 20:37.54 | mindjuju | like our friend fungus, distributor of many Linux ISOs |
| 20:37.59 | beandog | mindjuju, Ill take any excuse to talk like a pirate, arrr |
| 20:38.10 | beandog | Our Friend Fungus |
| 20:38.16 | mindjuju | here's to fungus! |
| 20:38.18 | beandog | that'd make a great book |
| 20:38.20 | beandog | ~cheers fungus |
| 20:38.34 | mindjuju | ~zap fungus |
| 20:38.34 | jbot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives fungus a good jolt. |
| 20:38.38 | fungus | lol |
| 20:38.45 | mindjuju | that' got him |
| 20:39.03 | beandog | heh |
| 20:40.39 | mindjuju | so all said timinator, unless these mobile employees are going out into the Gobi Desert to do daytrading, i'd think about making an app that allowed local storage and upload on internet detection |
| 20:40.54 | mgeary | though that's a pain |
| 20:40.54 | mindjuju | flex 3 is suppose to have that built in, AFAIK |
| 20:40.59 | mgeary | maybe so |
| 20:41.10 | mindjuju | true that, mgeary, but what is alternative ? |
| 20:41.19 | mgeary | pick other things to work on....? |
| 20:41.22 | mgeary | ;) |
| 20:41.28 | mindjuju | touche |
| 20:41.48 | timinator | actually....... Retiring owners are wanting to manage their business from their yachts |
| 20:41.50 | timinator | :) |
| 20:42.00 | timinator | so, cell towers are out |
| 20:42.02 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:42.15 | mindjuju | ah true |
| 20:42.28 | timinator | ~flex++ |
| 20:42.29 | mindjuju | in that case, i would look at that hughes i'm going to buy to beat out josephscott |
| 20:42.42 | mindjuju | you just have to point in the general direction of the sat |
| 20:42.51 | orsonj | build a simple web application that makes it look like they are managing their business, but doesn't actually do anything. They'll enjoy their trips more. |
| 20:42.58 | mindjuju | puts you back nearly 2500, but, if it is for a yahct |
| 20:43.03 | mindjuju | then they're paying and not you |
| 20:43.04 | timinator | orsonj: LOL |
| 20:43.34 | timinator | ya |
| 20:43.45 | timinator | was hoping to find a solution for my iPod Touch too |
| 20:43.47 | timinator | :) |
| 20:43.53 | orsonj | It'll be nice and snappy and they'll feel like their doing something between tans |
| 20:44.00 | timinator | and 2500 is a little high for my budget |
| 20:44.10 | timinator | orsonj: fo sho |
| 20:46.18 | beandog | now_playing[Various Artists - The Last Unicorn - The Last Unicorn] length[0:13/3:12] |
| 20:46.29 | beandog | mm, unicorns |
| 20:47.02 | mgeary | Charleeeeeeee |
| 20:47.24 | beandog | heh |
| 20:47.30 | beandog | ~candy mountain |
| 20:56.56 | Utah_Dave | Friday and Saturday we had a planned power outage. Luckily we have big fat UPS's in each building, plus a big diesel generator outside. We can power our data center and all the computer workstations for 5 or 6 days |
| 20:57.17 | mgeary | cooool |
| 20:57.20 | Utah_Dave | Our Training group was really worried about their ice cream in the fridges in the break room. |
| 20:57.35 | Utah_Dave | So they dragged the fridge in and plugged it into a UPS outlet |
| 20:57.53 | Utah_Dave | This is the kind of crap we have to deal with |
| 20:58.11 | Utah_Dave | that being said, anyone looking for a job? :) |
| 20:59.28 | mgeary | you movin' on, Utah_Dave> |
| 20:59.29 | mgeary | ? |
| 21:01.52 | SunSparc | Ah crap, they took my liver. |
| 21:02.21 | mgeary | wasn't it a kidney? |
| 21:02.27 | SunSparc | Sure |
| 21:02.28 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:02.28 | wps | you just wake up in a motel bathtub, SunSparc ? |
| 21:02.50 | SunSparc | wps: Yeah, it is really cold with all the ice they left |
| 21:04.23 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: no, not moving on yet. We had a civilian move on and now we need to fill his slot |
| 21:05.05 | mindjuju | what did they do? |
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| 21:19.36 | mindjuju | ~APB fungus |
| 21:19.37 | jbot | ACTION summons Duane Lee to stake out fungus |
| 21:27.35 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: what do you mean? What did they do for work? Or what did they do to leave? |
| 21:29.28 | mindjuju | yeah, what was job responsibilities |
| 21:31.21 | beandog | whee, I get to reformat my entire hdd! |
| 21:31.26 | beandog | er, repartition. |
| 21:31.28 | beandog | plus reformat. |
| 21:31.31 | beandog | yah. |
| 21:32.40 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: Help manage about 200 workstations at Camp Williams and Orem branch office |
| 21:32.43 | Utah_Dave | about 10 servers |
| 21:33.11 | Utah_Dave | WinXP, Windows 2000 servers, 2008 servers, some Novell thrown in there as well |
| 21:33.37 | Utah_Dave | Plus we provide support/consulting for other agencies, so there's a bit of travel involved as well |
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| 22:10.22 | encryptz | macnewbold: ping |
| 22:12.02 | encryptz | macnewbold: actually, when you're around, just wondering where the best parking would be for the release party we're having on sat |
| 22:12.13 | encryptz | obviously, the street(s) next to the building won't suffice |
| 22:19.48 | macnewbold | encryptz: the meters will be free (i.e. no charge) and probably mostly available at 6pm on a Saturday (in fact, they're free all day saturday, with time limits still enforced) and there are probably about 20 or so parking spots that way within half a block of us |
| 22:20.02 | macnewbold | the other easy option is the parking garage across the street |
| 22:20.22 | encryptz | across state street? |
| 22:20.23 | macnewbold | I'm not exactly sure of the rates |
| 22:20.28 | encryptz | ahh |
| 22:20.28 | macnewbold | no, across exchange place |
| 22:20.32 | macnewbold | right across from our front door |
| 22:21.36 | macnewbold | there are several other pay lots in close proximity though: Chamber of Commerce across State St, the Matheson court house across 400 S, or the parking behind the Garff building across 400 South |
| 22:21.55 | macnewbold | another really easy thing is to park at a Trax park and ride, and ride the train down |
| 22:22.14 | macnewbold | we're right by the Courthouse (500 S) or Gallivan Plaza (300 S) stops |
| 22:22.20 | encryptz | ahh. yeah. that's probably the easiest |
| 22:22.58 | macnewbold | in fact, if you park anywhere downtown, Trax and buses are free in the free fare zone, which goes up to the Courthouse stop and down to the Delta Center/Energy Solutions Arena |
| 22:23.18 | macnewbold | by then maybe they'll have Trax open to the gateway or the InterModal Hub |
| 22:24.05 | macnewbold | if anyone isn't sure quite where we're located, Google maps does a good job when you ask it about 44 Exchange Place, 84111 |
| 22:24.37 | macnewbold | if you're driving here, note that Exchange place can only be entered from southbound State St, and Cactus St from westbound 400 south |
| 22:24.55 | encryptz | yeah |
| 22:27.37 | encryptz | macnewbold: are alcoholic beverages allowed? i know herlo isn't purchasing them, so i'm just looking to see if they are ok if people bring them |
| 22:31.40 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:40.57 | mindjuju | you know what i wish i had |
| 22:41.21 | mindjuju | it's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine |
| 22:41.32 | mindjuju | but alas, it's packed (the CD) and i don't have it ripped |
| 22:41.56 | mindjuju | can't remember the band as i have the name INXS in my mind |
| 22:42.02 | mindjuju | and i know it isn't them |
| 22:42.06 | encryptz | they might be giants |
| 22:42.17 | mindjuju | don't think it was them either |
| 22:42.27 | mindjuju | or was it? |
| 22:42.29 | encryptz | meh rem |
| 22:42.30 | _psychic_ | REM ? |
| 22:42.36 | mindjuju | oh yeah, rem |
| 22:42.53 | fungus | eww, I hate Johnny Cash's version of Hurt. |
| 22:42.57 | encryptz | i haven't heard that song since i was a kid |
| 22:43.09 | _psychic_ | fungus: have you seen the music video? |
| 22:43.19 | fungus | nope. |
| 22:43.25 | _psychic_ | I like the song |
| 22:43.56 | fungus | I love the original (NIN) version |
| 22:44.33 | _psychic_ | both are good |
| 22:44.35 | _psychic_ | imho |
| 22:46.15 | fungus | I actually like joaquin phoenix better than Johnny Cash. :P |
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| 22:51.33 | synic | you would. |
| 22:52.11 | mindjuju | what? c4 the wrong explosive to use? |
| 22:53.17 | synic | why you gotta hate on the ubuntu install? |
| 22:53.40 | fungus | mindjuju: do you know how to restart just the Active Directory services, without a whole reboot? |
| 22:54.33 | mindjuju | in win 2k3? |
| 22:54.42 | fungus | yup |
| 22:55.03 | mindjuju | i know its a feature in 2k8, but don't think it exists in 2k3, but hang on quick sec |
| 22:55.51 | fungus | ick, I guess I'll have to schedule a reboot for after hours. |
| 22:56.15 | mindjuju | honestly, i don't think there is, but i'm googling as we speak |
| 22:56.45 | mindjuju | synic, ubuntu is kickin' my butt! i'd still be stuck in Vim if it weren't for fungus |
| 22:57.13 | mindjuju | and actually i had to :q! not :q to bust out |
| 22:59.44 | synic | mindjuju: DON'T GIVE UP!!!! haha. |
| 23:00.28 | mindjuju | synic - working with Ubuntu server 8 is like admining with the "blast shield down" |
| 23:00.32 | mindjuju | can't see a dang thing |
| 23:01.06 | synic | hrmm? |
| 23:02.34 | mindjuju | so, i just installed vsftpd and I have turned off anon access, and enabled local user access and need to create an account for somebody to be able to ftp. If it want that particular ftp account to go to a particular folder, then I need to reset the home directory of the local user, right? |
| 23:02.55 | brasto | so, anyone know the diff between "rock" and "pop"? |
| 23:03.16 | mindjuju | r, c, k, p |
| 23:03.21 | mindjuju | that's the difference |
| 23:03.38 | mindjuju | o is common between the two |
| 23:05.12 | synic | mindjuju: yeah |
| 23:05.51 | brasto | good one, mindjuju |
| 23:06.38 | brasto | one is hard and can break windows, the other is soft and bubbly and good to drink if it's the right kind of pop. |
| 23:06.54 | mindjuju | so though, if i want to create an FTP account for a person to use, and vsftpd uses local accounts, then not only do i create a local account to give them ftp access, but i've now just given them ssh access, huh? |
| 23:07.19 | synic | depends |
| 23:07.32 | brasto | yep, depends on what ports you've made available to that user |
| 23:07.38 | dataw0lf | well no |
| 23:07.43 | brasto | or daemons |
| 23:07.43 | dataw0lf | you can specify by -s |
| 23:07.45 | brasto | or both |
| 23:07.45 | dataw0lf | (the shell) |
| 23:07.57 | dataw0lf | give them a shell of /bin/nologin, and they won't have ssh access |
| 23:08.02 | mindjuju | dataw0lf! sup bro! worried about ya with the earthquake |
| 23:08.10 | mindjuju | and now back to ubuntu |
| 23:08.10 | dataw0lf | Busy. |
| 23:08.35 | dataw0lf | or rather, /sbin/nologin |
| 23:08.36 | brasto | or... what dataw0lf said... |
| 23:08.41 | dataw0lf | so for the user you only want to have FTP access |
| 23:08.43 | mindjuju | k, i'm looking that up |
| 23:08.48 | dataw0lf | usermod -s /sbin/nologin <user_name> |
| 23:08.56 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
| 23:09.00 | dataw0lf | obviously, you have to be root or sudo that |
| 23:10.08 | dataw0lf | thought I'd answer a question since I just wrote 90 spec tests for ActiveMerchant. Back to work! |
| 23:10.26 | mindjuju | thx for the info |
| 23:10.53 | mindjuju | and thx also to synic, fungus and brasto |
| 23:13.11 | eco | Oh. I am! |
| 23:14.46 | dataw0lf | oh man, what. SunSparc plays CoD huh. |
| 23:14.54 | dataw0lf | hee. |
| 23:15.35 | dataw0lf | I'm about to break 30,000 total kills on that game |
| 23:15.54 | dataw0lf | I'm ranked like 9599 or something in kills out of millions of people on xbox livev. |
| 23:20.06 | dataw0lf | when I play it's pretty ridiculous. People plead with me. |
| 23:20.12 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:20.19 | mindjuju | i need to buy a 360 so i can game you |
| 23:20.34 | dataw0lf | seriously. I'd say on Free for all matches I win (#1 spot) 95% of the time |
| 23:20.44 | dataw0lf | my score is generally 25 kills and 5 - 8 deaths |
| 23:21.20 | dataw0lf | team deathmatch it can be even worse because even if I'm grouped with a bunch of noobs I will destroy the rest of the team unless they have 2 or more really, really good players |
| 23:21.27 | dataw0lf | mindjuju |
| 23:21.32 | dataw0lf | all Halo kidding aside |
| 23:21.42 | dataw0lf | you would get extremely frustrated playing me on Call of Duty |
| 23:21.56 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 23:22.03 | dataw0lf | dude. It's ridiculous. |
| 23:22.15 | dataw0lf | I generally get a 10 kill streak _every_ game. |
| 23:22.34 | dataw0lf | and I'd say 50% of the time I get two or more helicopters |
| 23:23.14 | dataw0lf | I hear a lot of "WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!" nowadays screamed into mics |
| 23:23.25 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:23.28 | dataw0lf | or "OMG DATAW0LF WHERE'D YOU GET THE XBOX CHEAT, YOU HACK" |
| 23:24.34 | dataw0lf | they think I have a wall hack because I really, really pay attention to every sound, so even without radar I know where someone is down to a couple feet |
| 23:24.56 | dataw0lf | shoot through walls and hit them in the head without even pausing or stopping |
| 23:25.13 | dataw0lf | plus knowing every map like the back of my hand and then some |
| 23:25.17 | dataw0lf | it's hard to play against me. |
| 23:25.31 | mindjuju | it's good to know that, but here is my strategy |
| 23:25.32 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0sX2gDf0qQ |
| 23:26.02 | dataw0lf | you wouldn't even get a chance to c4 me. I'd know where you were camping and lob a grenade right onto your head. |
| 23:26.14 | dataw0lf | cooked so you have absolutely no time to run |
| 23:26.18 | mindjuju | dude, i'd throw it through the window |
| 23:26.36 | dataw0lf | I'm visiting this weekend |
| 23:26.46 | dataw0lf | if you want to man up for a game, you're more than welcome to |
| 23:26.58 | mindjuju | cool that you're coming up |
| 23:27.10 | mindjuju | i don't have any game time on a 360 at all, let alone COD 4 |
| 23:27.14 | dataw0lf | although splitscreen matches are meh because of the premade classes, it doesn't really matter. |
| 23:27.52 | timinator | gotta run.... later guys |
| 23:27.58 | dataw0lf | cya tim |
| 23:28.01 | dataw0lf | durn |
| 23:28.57 | dataw0lf | oh man |
| 23:29.02 | dataw0lf | camping |
| 23:29.10 | dataw0lf | not a good idea against me |
| 23:29.35 | dataw0lf | on Bog, this map that a lot of noobs like to snipe on, I'll sit across from them while they try to snipe me and shoot them with an MP5 from across the map |
| 23:29.51 | dataw0lf | "OMG AIMBOT DATAW0LF" |
| 23:30.34 | mindjuju | anyhow, if you really want to go mano a mano, it's got to be a crowbar or hand guns |
| 23:30.41 | dataw0lf | oh man |
| 23:30.45 | dataw0lf | we can play handguns too |
| 23:30.47 | dataw0lf | or knives |
| 23:30.49 | dataw0lf | whatevs |
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| 23:32.41 | dataw0lf | I got the gold AK, the gold miniuzi, and the gold shotgun. Meaning I've red tigered every assault rifle, SMG, and shotgun |
| 23:33.07 | mindjuju | man, if we are going to even the play field, i'll prolly have to find a controller with frayed cables that works at most 10% of the time |
| 23:33.35 | dataw0lf | 10% of the time? |
| 23:33.43 | mindjuju | yeah, make it easier for you to get me |
| 23:34.20 | dataw0lf | you could have a controller that didn't work at all and it won't make any difference |
| 23:34.54 | dataw0lf | it'll be the same thing |
| 23:35.36 | dataw0lf | me throwing a uncooked grenade behind you and forcing you to charge, then coming out and *bink* headshot with the MP5 |
| 23:35.55 | dataw0lf | or the M4, or the AK47, or the P90, or the MiniUzi, or the G36, or the... |
| 23:36.19 | dataw0lf | I don't deign to use the M16 anymore since it's so noobish and easy to slaughter people with. |
| 23:36.38 | mindjuju | just you being behind me would put you in the path of the c4 i planted moments before |
| 23:36.59 | mindjuju | cooking the grenade will just make the situation sad as I blast the c4 before you throw the grenade, adding insult to injury |
| 23:37.07 | dataw0lf | well unless I had extreme conditioning I'd have the bomb squad perk which allows me to see C4 |
| 23:37.42 | dataw0lf | or steady aim, if I was using an SMG or one of my short-medium range M4 classes. |
| 23:38.31 | mindjuju | well, don't know enough about c4 to smack talk anymore |
| 23:38.55 | dataw0lf | in a 1 on 1 match it'll be pretty useless against a good player. |
| 23:39.09 | dataw0lf | it's mostly used for strategy orientated gametypes like Search and Destroy |
| 23:39.33 | mindjuju | we just bought a house and all money is currently going to renovations that i can't do |
| 23:39.40 | dataw0lf | oh nice! |
| 23:39.42 | dataw0lf | where at? |
| 23:39.45 | mindjuju | Orem |
| 23:39.46 | dataw0lf | congrats |
| 23:39.49 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 23:39.53 | mindjuju | closer to wife's dad |
| 23:39.58 | dataw0lf | cool, cool |
| 23:40.16 | mindjuju | but, i should get a couple of contracts to buy a 360 |
| 23:40.22 | mindjuju | i've wanted to, but just not enough time |
| 23:41.53 | dataw0lf | y'know |
| 23:42.01 | dataw0lf | I had to buy a new 360 because my drive failed on me |
| 23:42.12 | dataw0lf | but you could just buy the HDDVD player and play games off of it |
| 23:42.17 | dataw0lf | connected to my old 360 |
| 23:42.39 | mindjuju | that'd be cool |
| 23:42.53 | dataw0lf | alright, I'll see about takin 'er on the plane. |
| 23:43.31 | DexterTheDragon | can you still buy the 360 HDDVD drive where HDDVD is now dead |
| 23:44.34 | dataw0lf | yes. |