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| 00:08.47 | bradym | hmm.. not getting any results for specific urls with inurl |
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| 01:30.18 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 01:37.15 | Utah_Dave | but now I have to cruise |
| 01:42.11 | mindjuju | anybody here use UML? |
| 02:29.20 | Utah_Dave | nope |
| 02:29.35 | mindjuju | i'm going to have to do this the hard way |
| 02:29.38 | mindjuju | visio |
| 02:34.00 | Utah_Dave | ouch |
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| 05:07.17 | olds | anyone have an offsite backup preference? |
| 05:07.20 | olds | rsync.net ? |
| 05:07.42 | mindjuju | don't but was looking at something s3 based |
| 05:07.50 | mindjuju | but haven't found anything yet |
| 05:09.16 | olds | hmmm |
| 05:09.26 | olds | think I might go with rsync.net |
| 05:09.39 | olds | affordable, and we can have it in geo-redundant locations |
| 05:09.55 | mindjuju | with rsync.net? |
| 05:10.00 | mindjuju | i should check that out |
| 05:10.31 | burnin | mindjuju, http://www.umlet.com/ http://uml.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 05:10.36 | olds | I just like how easy it seems |
| 05:10.40 | burnin | mindjuju, those are what I use |
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| 05:14.05 | olds | I'm thinking of doing a 24 hour backup setup with mysql |
| 05:14.13 | olds | where it does a full backup every night at midnight |
| 05:14.31 | olds | and then an incremental backup (using the binary log) every hour |
| 05:16.13 | olds | that umlet looks hawt |
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| 15:36.57 | SunSparc | Any AJAX gurus here that have had real-time updating issues in IE(6&7)? |
| 15:39.59 | thebigdog | no issues here |
| 15:40.10 | SunSparc | I have an AJAX script that adds notes/comments to a web page in real-time. It works fine in FF and Safari. However, in IE the notes are submitted fine but will not show up on the page until the page is refreshed manually. |
| 15:43.39 | SunSparc | I just do not get what the difference would be. |
| 15:43.53 | mgeary | are you using innerHTML or DOM to add the items? |
| 15:44.11 | mgeary | my gut says that while less elegant, innerHTML is more x-plat than DOM |
| 15:45.01 | SunSparc | Good question, let me check. (Note, it is not originally my script) |
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| 16:16.22 | thebigdog | I have had issues with modifying dom with IE6 and 7 |
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| 16:31.01 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:34.52 | brasto | ~lart ms for creating ie and forsaking it after ie 6 for years |
| 16:34.52 | jbot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at ms for creating ie and forsaking it after ie 6 for years |
| 16:48.10 | thebigdog | i let the bigdog out...i let the bigdog out |
| 16:48.44 | mindjuju | what u up to today? |
| 16:54.30 | mgeary | "why a spoon, cousin?" |
| 16:55.18 | wps | is there a way to give an SVN check out a custom name? I ask because I want to check out a second copy of the entire trunk into the same directory where there already is one and am nervous as to what will happen? will it automatically give it a unique name (_____-1 perhaps) or is there some way to do that manually? |
| 16:55.35 | bradym_ | "because it's dull, you twit, it'll hurt more!" |
| 16:55.45 | mgeary | very nice |
| 16:55.51 | bradym_ | :) |
| 16:56.04 | mindjuju | hmm, don't know that one |
| 16:56.07 | mindjuju | what is it? |
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| 16:56.30 | bradym | Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves |
| 16:56.41 | beandog | lol |
| 16:56.42 | mindjuju | oh, never saw that one allt he way through |
| 16:56.45 | beandog | thats great. |
| 16:57.27 | DexterTheDragon | wps: do you mean like: svn co svn+ssh://myserver.com/repo/trunk trunk-1 ? |
| 16:57.33 | mindjuju | have seen that part though where Wesley is asked what makes him different from all the other Robins, and he's like, "Cause I can speak with an English Accent!" |
| 16:58.08 | wps | in your example there, DexterTheDragon, is "trunk-1" a unique name that you are naming it? |
| 16:58.35 | DexterTheDragon | thats the folder that the contents of trunk will be checked out to |
| 16:58.50 | bradym | mindjuju: i think you're talking about Men in Tights |
| 16:59.13 | bradym | Prince of Thieves is the one with Kevin Costner |
| 16:59.15 | mindjuju | oh wait, yeah I am, i thought that's what ya'll were talking about |
| 16:59.29 | mindjuju | so they say that part with the spoon in the kevin costner one? |
| 16:59.35 | mindjuju | i didn't actually see that one either |
| 17:00.04 | bradym | yeah, the sherrif tells one of his minions that he's gonna dig Robin's heart out with a spoon |
| 17:00.58 | wps | DexterTheDragon, normally I do a checkout with just this: |
| 17:00.59 | wps | svn checkout http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk |
| 17:01.07 | wps | and it creates a directory |
| 17:01.13 | DexterTheDragon | yep called trunk |
| 17:01.49 | DexterTheDragon | putting another parameter on there lets you name that directory |
| 17:01.58 | wps | kâ¦Â I'll try that |
| 17:01.59 | wps | thanks |
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| 17:02.23 | mindjuju | @ bradym - from Sherriff of Nottingham to Silverous Snape (or what ever the name is) I always see him as Hans Gruber |
| 17:02.42 | bradym | lol |
| 17:02.46 | bradym | yeah, i know what you mean |
| 17:03.00 | mindjuju | he was good in that roll |
| 17:03.09 | mindjuju | err, role |
| 17:14.02 | mgeary | jam is good in rolls |
| 17:16.18 | mgeary | as is cheese |
| 17:16.54 | mindjuju | depends on the cheese |
| 17:16.59 | mgeary | indeed |
| 17:17.04 | mgeary | and the roll |
| 17:17.20 | mindjuju | i'm a big fan of edam |
| 17:18.38 | mgeary | yes, most Dutch cheeses rock |
| 17:24.47 | brasto | what can I do to make it so new files are automatically group writable? |
| 17:24.57 | brasto | within a certain directory |
| 17:24.57 | mgeary | change your umask |
| 17:25.22 | mgeary | but afp doesn't support umask settings properly, in my experience |
| 17:25.32 | brasto | ~afp |
| 17:25.38 | brasto | ~dict afp |
| 17:25.55 | mgeary | hahahahaah |
| 17:25.58 | brasto | lol |
| 17:26.35 | beandog | ~fetoprotein |
| 17:27.21 | brasto | ~wiki afp |
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| 18:13.11 | jnbek | do it!! |
| 18:13.13 | brasto | of U? |
| 18:13.28 | brasto | as in U of U? |
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| 18:47.43 | macnewbold | ~random thoughts |
| 18:49.13 | orsonj | Get a washcloth with a 10 year warranty! |
| 18:50.55 | buttkickerofU | don't forget the extended warranty |
| 18:51.01 | buttkickerofU | those things will rust right up on ya! |
| 18:51.19 | buttkickerofU | (to self)Close the deal, Gill, just close the deal! |
| 18:51.49 | macnewbold | nice |
| 18:52.00 | macnewbold | great for kicking old cow pies, I bet |
| 19:17.44 | brasto | jk |
| 19:18.10 | wps | everyone can't be satisfied with their job |
| 19:18.19 | wps | want to make more money? |
| 19:18.27 | wps | come work with me! |
| 19:20.53 | tierra | heh |
| 19:21.09 | wps | :( |
| 19:21.14 | brasto | ~give wps his favorite drink |
| 19:21.14 | jbot | ACTION gives his favorite drink to wps |
| 19:21.33 | brasto | now, hopefully wps likes jbot's favorite drink... |
| 19:21.39 | tierra | hehe |
| 19:21.45 | tierra | motor oil |
| 19:21.51 | brasto | lol |
| 19:38.37 | unum | wps why doesn't anyone want to work for you? |
| 19:38.45 | wps | I wish I knew |
| 19:39.04 | wps | we have been searching and searching and can't find anyone |
| 19:40.07 | unum | where are you at? |
| 19:40.12 | wps | omniture marketing |
| 19:40.41 | unum | how's the other guy form discovery working out? |
| 19:40.49 | wps | huh? |
| 19:41.00 | unum | s/form/from |
| 19:41.09 | wps | from where? |
| 19:41.17 | unum | discovery research |
| 19:41.35 | wps | sorry, but I'm not sure what you're talking about |
| 19:41.39 | unum | I think his name was brandon |
| 19:42.13 | unum | one of jsmith's former coworker told me he had an offer there last fall |
| 19:42.25 | unum | but he's probably working in a different department |
| 19:42.31 | wps | must be |
| 19:42.49 | jsmith | wps: He works for Dave Carr |
| 19:42.54 | wps | ah |
| 19:42.55 | jsmith | wps: You probably don't know him |
| 19:43.48 | jsmith | unum: I think Omniture has more than picked the low-hanging fruit, and has found that the higher you climb the tree, the harder it is to get people to leave their comfy jobs |
| 19:44.00 | unum | ya |
| 19:44.04 | jsmith | But what do I know? |
| 19:44.13 | wps | I think you're right, jsmith |
| 19:44.17 | wps | the market seems tapped out |
| 19:44.21 | unum | of course now there's all those linux networx people out there |
| 19:44.39 | wps | everyone (designers and coders) seem perfectly happy where they are |
| 19:44.43 | unum | the last job I applied for the hr manager told me he had a bunch of ex-linux network people |
| 19:44.46 | wps | and the unemployment rate is nearly zero |
| 19:44.49 | unum | that was about 4 weeks ago |
| 19:45.30 | buttkickerofU | took me near 2 months to hire my padawan |
| 19:45.36 | jsmith | wps: There's a little more churn here in my area, due to all the gov't. work... |
| 19:45.43 | jsmith | buttkickerofU: You get a henchman? |
| 19:45.51 | buttkickerofU | yeah |
| 19:45.55 | wps | it's still so hard for me to understand that there aren't a few people out there that wouldn't mind stepping up a 10 or 20 K in salary |
| 19:46.12 | jsmith | wps: Well, I'd love to jump up 20k |
| 19:46.18 | unum | my younger brother is working on a business degree at weber and getting 40k doing desktop suport for a defense contractor |
| 19:46.27 | wps | you know how to make that happen |
| 19:46.40 | jsmith | wps: Naw... my wife would never go for it. |
| 19:46.44 | wps | I know |
| 19:46.45 | wps | sucks |
| 19:46.47 | jsmith | wps: She likes Virginia too much |
| 19:46.56 | unum | jsmith: weren't you at omniture before? |
| 19:47.01 | jsmith | wps: Besides, I ain't got the skills you're looking for |
| 19:47.05 | SunSparc | I would love to jump up to 20k/year. |
| 19:47.07 | jsmith | unum: Yeah, but in a different department |
| 19:47.10 | wps | I'd never leave that land you have there either |
| 19:47.16 | buttkickerofU | what is the desired skill set? |
| 19:47.20 | jsmith | wps: Besides, I just got a promotion ;-) |
| 19:47.40 | wps | web application engineer |
| 19:47.43 | unum | I'm not sure I'd leave that for 20k |
| 19:48.07 | SunSparc | Are you kidding? 20k/year, that is a fortune! |
| 19:48.22 | wps | LAMP shop |
| 19:48.25 | unum | having a job I love is worth a lot to me |
| 19:48.30 | jsmith | unum: You following me again? |
| 19:48.36 | wps | what's a community manager job? |
| 19:48.40 | unum | wps: what does p stand for in your LAMP? |
| 19:48.45 | wps | PHP |
| 19:48.48 | jsmith | wps: It's what I do ;-) |
| 19:49.03 | wps | I thought you did asterisk |
| 19:49.10 | unum | jsmith: not sure why I keep doing that |
| 19:49.11 | jsmith | wps: I interact with the open source community, and be an advocate for them within the company |
| 19:49.23 | wps | I thought you worked for jsmith, inc |
| 19:49.34 | jsmith | wps: I also help communicate changes to the community, so that they understand what's going on. |
| 19:49.50 | jsmith | wps: No, I worked for a company called Sokol and Associates doing consulting and training until last year |
| 19:50.01 | jsmith | wps: But then we got bought by Digium (the company behind Asterisk) |
| 19:50.06 | wps | ah |
| 19:50.13 | jsmith | wps: So then I got turned into Digium's Community Relations Manager |
| 19:50.22 | wps | interesting |
| 19:50.35 | jsmith | So now I get paid to respond to email, lurk in forums, and hand out in IRC |
| 19:50.40 | jsmith | and have lots of meetings |
| 19:50.43 | jsmith | and speak at trade shows |
| 19:50.47 | wps | I hate meetings |
| 19:50.50 | jsmith | (and still do lots and lots of training) |
| 19:50.52 | wps | especially without a laptop |
| 19:51.06 | buttkickerofU | so jsmith is the pretty face for digium |
| 19:51.10 | buttkickerofU | a Vanna White |
| 19:51.21 | jsmith | buttkickerofU: For everyone else's sake, let's hope not.... I have a perfect face for radio... |
| 20:03.36 | jsmith | mindjuju: I've got one about five miles on direction, and one about five miles the other direction |
| 20:03.50 | mindjuju | yeah, i know VA has Popeyes |
| 20:03.53 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 20:18.44 | wps | how funny |
| 20:18.57 | wps | my coworker send an email from his blackberry and said: |
| 20:19.06 | wps | "golf for a moment" |
| 20:19.44 | wps | he meant to type "hold," but the guess-what-you-meant feature changed it to "golf" |
| 20:19.55 | wps | funny that it still worked |
| 20:20.28 | wps | but what's even more funny is that a lengthy thread between other people developed based off of him telling the one guy to go golf for a while until we had something ready for him |
| 20:22.54 | jsmith | Youch... |
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| 21:07.58 | beandog | woot |
| 21:20.00 | bradym | especially if it's pizza the hut |
| 21:21.26 | beandog | I finally got remote + mysql + odbc + ssl working |
| 21:22.02 | bradym | nice.. that sounds painful to setup |
| 21:22.22 | beandog | yah |
| 21:22.26 | beandog | docs are a bit unclear at times |
| 21:22.30 | beandog | but at least it works |
| 21:23.07 | jsmith | beandog: And of course, you're not going to go and update said docs |
| 21:24.24 | mgeary | zing |
| 21:35.35 | beandog | I might add a comment |
| 21:48.50 | jsmith | beandog: See, that's why wikis suck... it's people like you who take and don't give.... |
| 21:49.16 | beandog | I think I've given back quite a bit. :) |
| 21:49.32 | beandog | but I will at least write a blog post or a comment |
| 21:52.25 | wps | jsmith: omniture NOC needs you back |
| 21:52.42 | wps | I shouldn't know more about configuring apache than they |
| 21:52.43 | _psychic__ | depends on how you use the wiki |
| 21:52.43 | jsmith | beandog: Go read this article, and then you'll understand why it's good to share the knowledge :-) http://www.bangkokpost.com/Database/23Apr2008_data001.php (especially the part about "the economics of abundance") |
| 21:52.50 | jsmith | wps: Oh? |
| 21:52.51 | _psychic__ | wikis aren't good for docs |
| 21:57.50 | jsmith | beandog: Contribute to what? Global warming? |
| 21:58.00 | mgeary | well, his name IS beandog |
| 21:59.22 | beandog | gentoo |
| 21:59.45 | beandog | just looking at my commit stats |
| 21:59.47 | beandog | anyway |
| 21:59.54 | beandog | you're right, Ill be sure to share the love. |
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| 22:26.48 | wps | so⦠|
| 22:27.01 | wps | say you don't have sufficient privileges to restart a service on a box |
| 22:27.12 | wps | but assume that the service is set to start automatically on boot |
| 22:27.22 | wps | anyone know of a way I could crash the box so that it reboots? :) |
| 22:27.42 | bradym | if it's running windows, just look at it funny |
| 22:27.47 | bradym | ;) |
| 22:27.51 | wps | CentOS |
| 22:27.58 | bradym | can't help you there |
| 22:29.27 | thebigdog | wps crtl + alt + del at the terminal |
| 22:29.42 | thebigdog | or you can login and issue reboot as root |
| 22:29.51 | wps | I don't have root access |
| 22:30.01 | thebigdog | you have access to terminal |
| 22:30.12 | wps | yes |
| 22:30.18 | thebigdog | 3 finger salute bro |
| 22:30.23 | thebigdog | it will reboot |
| 22:30.28 | wps | really? |
| 22:30.43 | thebigdog | yes unless someone removed that from the inittab file |
| 22:30.46 | wps | control + alt + delete will reboot CentOS as just a regular user? |
| 22:30.46 | thebigdog | but i doubt they did |
| 22:30.54 | thebigdog | only at the terminal |
| 22:31.06 | thebigdog | or serial connection |
| 22:31.12 | wps | ohâ¦Â waitâ¦Â by "at the terminal" do you mean standing in front of the box in person? |
| 22:31.18 | thebigdog | yes |
| 22:31.20 | wps | suck |
| 22:31.22 | thebigdog | at the keyboard |
| 22:31.30 | wps | it's at Omniture HQ in the basement |
| 22:31.31 | thebigdog | and you dont have to be logged in |
| 22:31.48 | thebigdog | then you to get root access |
| 22:31.48 | wps | I can't get to the box physically |
| 22:32.54 | thebigdog | then you need to get root access or have someone restart the service |
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| 22:37.52 | wps | what about just crashing Apache so that it restarts? |
| 22:37.53 | wps | :) |
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| 22:47.08 | thebigdog | nope |
| 22:47.23 | thebigdog | i guess you could try and do it |
| 22:47.29 | thebigdog | dos attack it |
| 22:47.38 | thebigdog | but your company would not be happy about it |
| 22:47.45 | thebigdog | wps, dont you have sudo access? |
| 22:48.16 | thebigdog | tell those guys to hire me and i will make everything run awesome |
| 22:48.28 | wps | no :( |
| 22:48.46 | thebigdog | i setup all my servers with sudo for that type of issue |
| 22:49.03 | thebigdog | then you can add restarts to services in there for developers |
| 22:49.14 | thebigdog | so easy...yet so hard |
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| 23:55.27 | mindjuju | ugh, what a day |