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02:00.04influx^^yo?
03:18.51orsonjoy?
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15:12.57timinatormorning guys
15:22.41thebigdogmorning
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15:30.32mindjujumorning
15:46.18beandoghmm interesting
15:46.21beandogSony bought Gracenote.
15:47.05beandogor, will.
15:47.36wpsyes, interesting
15:47.55wpsseems like it would be better for a company like that to not be part of a media giant
15:48.07wpsdid you hear about Apple buying a chip maker for 300 Million?
15:48.28wpsit will be interesting to see what they are planning
15:48.41wpsa new product probably
15:50.02wpscan you duplicate a row in MySQL/
15:50.04wps?
15:50.08wpsperhaps with something like this?
15:50.39wpsinsert into table values (select * from table where id=xx);
15:53.08beandogif you have 5>
15:53.13beandoger
15:53.15beandog>=5
15:54.10wpscool
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16:06.15beandoghttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/13/funny-pictures-watches-too-much-animal-planet/
16:06.58wpscheck out this new visual search engine: http://beta.searchme.com
16:09.28brastohey guys, we have a network folder mounted.  The remote machine is a mac, and our local machines are all macs.  It's mounted under "Places".  cmd +j (show view options) /should/ have 'calculate all sizes' unchecked because it slows something down.  However, if there is a power outage and our macs reboot, they all check that box again every time.  Is there a way to force it to stay unchecked?
16:10.31wpsUPS?
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16:11.49brastowps, was that a question for me?
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16:11.56wpsa solution
16:12.05wpsuniversal power supply :)
16:12.13brastoah
16:12.18brastolol
16:12.34wpsor uninterrupted power supply
16:12.47wpsall computers should have one
16:12.56wpsthe power going out is hard on them
16:13.00brastoagreed
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16:13.06wpspersonally though… here in 2008… I think it's stupid that they aren't built into computers
16:13.14wpslaptops have batteries… why don't desktops?
16:13.24wpsthey don't have to be big ones… or even good ones
16:13.25brastoi agree
16:13.33wpseven just 10 minutes of power would be sufficient
16:13.41beandogbecause it'd be really expensive.
16:13.46wpsjust enough time to allow the user to save what they are working on and power down gracefully
16:13.46jsmithwps: I used to have a PC case with a built-in UPS
16:14.00beandogand youd have to change the entire power config of the box
16:14.01jsmithwps: But that was like eight years ago, and it cost me an extra $300
16:14.21brasto~ouch jsmith
16:14.30jsmithwps: I traded it to my wife's uncle and bought myself a *REAL* UPS for less than half of that
16:15.49brasto~ouch $1 is <action> points a glowing ET finger at $1, says 'ouuuuch', and touches the owie and heals it.
16:15.50jbotokay, brasto
16:16.01brasto~ouch jsmith
16:16.02jbotACTION points a glowing ET finger at jsmith, says 'ouuuuch', and touches the owie and heals it.
16:16.39brastoWhat's another solution other than United Parcel Service?
16:16.56wpsI don't know of one
16:17.11wpshave you tried setting that setting and then rebooting before the power goes out?
16:17.22brastoi believe they've tried that
16:17.24wpssome settings don't get written out until the user logs out
16:17.36wpsother than that I don't have any ideas
16:17.55brastoI'll try it myself.
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16:18.52brastowe'll see if my machine doesn't have the problem next power out and everyone else's does... then I'll just nod my head and...
16:19.08GreatWhiteWizardpoof
16:19.11GreatWhiteWizardit's magic
16:19.58timinatorwps: I don't think Apple bought the chip company just to roll out a new product....
16:20.42brastowps, levi in #utah suggested i manually edit the plist file.  that may do it also.
16:20.46timinatorchips aren't like other components where there are many vendors and they all compete for Apple's business
16:20.54timinatorrather, chips are specific to a devise
16:21.06timinatorso, they "partner" w/ a chip manufacturer
16:21.10brastos/devise/device/
16:21.24brasto~show timinator how to spell device
16:22.00timinatorand it seems that every time they tell their partner chip manufacturer about a new design they need, it gets leaked
16:22.03brasto~give timinator instructions on how to spell device
16:22.03jbotACTION gives instructions on how to spell device to timinator
16:22.04timinatoralso.....
16:22.14brasto~dumb bot
16:22.15jbotstupid human
16:22.15timinator~flip brasto
16:22.16jbotACTION gives brasto the .|.. ..|.
16:22.18brastolol
16:22.22timinatorLOL
16:22.30timinatorbut there's another reason I think
16:22.45timinatorif a business has a partner vendor
16:22.46wpss/listening/reading/
16:23.08timinatorthen they push the liability of the partner's part of the business to the partner
16:23.13timinatorbut in chips
16:23.23timinatorthat's the lifeblood of Apple's devises
16:23.33timinatoror at least, an integral part
16:24.03timinatorso, there's only benifits coming from bringing their chip manufacturer under their flag
16:24.09timinatornot drawbacks
16:24.17wpsI agree with all of that
16:24.19timinatorhere's an example
16:24.32timinatorI know of a company that manufactures goods
16:24.45timinatorthey had a plant that produced pallets
16:24.59timinatornow, that plant had continual problems making ends meet
16:25.03wpsmy comment was mostly regarding the idea that they already have chip providers for their existing products and aren't likely to just drop those… at least not in the near term
16:25.17timinatorso, they sold the plant, and setup a contract to buy all their pallets from him
16:25.33timinatornow, that new buyer thought he was making a wise investment
16:26.01timinatorbut in reality, he was using his money to fill the gap
16:26.12timinatorin a few years, he'll be out, and look for another buyer
16:26.13timinatoretc
16:26.43timinatorall the while, the company still gets their pallets, but not the headache
16:27.08timinatorApple's situation is different in that their vendor doesn't have the same drawback
16:27.10wpsfrom the BYU MUG mailing list:
16:27.11wps"Apple has designed specific chips that go into Computers, iPods, iPhones, mice keyboard etc. For a long time.  I think typically they pay other semiconductor companies to fabricate the chips.  You can bet that for $300 million they have a specific product they are planning on leveraging this companies technology for and want to lock all other handset manufacturers out.   It is probably not the iPhone since the Atom seams like a good fit already."
16:27.20timinatorthe vendor makes money too
16:27.56wpsthat comment is what I was basing my comment off of
16:28.04beandogor it could just be theyre tired of waiting on other chip devs to do things how they like so they are gonna run the show themselves now.
16:28.16beandog*random speculation*
16:28.17wps…that it makes more sense to me that they will use the chips that come from A.P. for a new product or a new version of a product before existing products
16:28.23timinatorcould very easily be.
16:28.44wpsI'd say that that is definitely true, beandog, either way
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16:28.48timinatorI'm just saying that Apple is already rolling out products regardless
16:28.56wpsagreed
16:28.58timinatorI think they're just making a smart business move
16:29.04wpsagreed
16:29.39timinatorand I don't disagree that apple will roll out cool new, proprietary, chips
16:30.34beandogyou know what would be really cool
16:30.38beandogif they were developing a gaming console.
16:31.13beandogI mean, heck, an Apple TV and a PS3 cost about the same anyway.
16:31.17beandogwhy not roll them into one.
16:34.21timinatorfo sho
16:34.46timinatoralthough.... that market is slowing, or is at least tapped
16:35.05timinatorinstead, the iPhone/Blackberry is on the rise big time
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16:35.23timinatorif I were CEO, that's where I'd devote my entergy
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16:35.37beandogI dunno, I see home delivery content devices as the future.
16:35.52beandogIm surprised the game consoles arent doing it already
16:36.02beandogthe big show stopper, I imagine, is just that there's no space on the devices.
16:36.16PoeticIntensityand the big corps don't wanna lose control.
16:36.25beandogtrue.
16:36.30jsmithbeandog: Doesn't the XBOX360 already let you do that?
16:36.42beandogbeats me
16:36.49beandogIm talkinga bout stuff like netflix on demand / amazon unbox on tivo
16:36.52beandogbut to any freaking box.
16:36.57beandogmovies on demand.
16:37.09beandoganyway, PoeticIntensity is right ... its waiting on the studios to let it out there.
16:37.20beandogSince the current selection is either recently released or really crappy.
16:42.37timinatorthat's a good idea beandog
16:54.29wpsregex question
16:54.32wpsif I have this:
16:54.32wps^/downloads/(.*)?wp_(.*).pdf$
16:54.47wpsthe (.*) currently matches anything
16:55.04wpsif I want to change to match anything except a slash, then would this be the correct syntax?
16:55.20wps^/downloads/([^/]*)?wp_([^/]*).pdf$
16:55.57SunSparcwps: Yes, that looks correct
16:56.03SunSparcWhy, is it not working?
16:56.17wpsI didn't think it did, but I need to test it again
16:57.05jsmithwps: I think you'd be better off with ^/downloads/(.*?)?wp_(.*?)/?.pdf$
16:57.07SunSparcwps: It might be better to use ([^/]?) since the ? only matches one character.
16:57.19jsmiths/searches/matches/
16:57.24SunSparchehe, jsmith, you beat me to it.
16:57.59wpsjsmith, that doesn't seem like that would give me what I want
16:58.11wpsI don't want to make the wild card optional and I want it to be anything except a slash
16:58.38jsmithNo, I'm not making the wildcard optional... I'm making it a non-greedy match
16:58.54jsmith(depending on which regex library you use, it may have a different syntax)
16:59.19jsmithIn essence, I'm saying "Find that shortest match *before* a slash
16:59.41jsmithBut what do I know... I'm probably wrong
16:59.58wpsuh… you know a lot more than me!
17:02.08jsmithI wouldn't go there
17:02.13jsmithI ain't all that and a bag of chips
17:03.49SunSparcjbot, make jsmith a bag of chips
17:03.49jbotmake: *** No rule to make target `jsmith a bag of chips'.  Stop.
17:04.04Utah_Dave~give jsmith a bag of chips
17:04.06jbotACTION gives a bag of chips to jsmith
17:11.35jsmithwps: See http://uphpu.pastebin.com/m737a4114 and look for regexes that pass the tests you want them to, and don't pass the ones you don't want them to
17:12.13wpsthanks
17:17.55beandogdont forget to escape the last period.
17:18.03beandogor you could have (wahtever)pdf
17:18.06beandogisntead of .pdf
17:18.08beandogso \.pdf
17:19.06beandogor you can be really anal and check for any variation of pdf
17:19.15beandog\.[Pp][Dd][Ff]
17:21.41jsmithbeandog: Good catch
17:21.56jsmithwps: Make sure you add a test for that to your test framework I built you ;-)
17:23.36wpsyou wouldn't need that if you use [NC]
17:23.46wps(non-casesensitive)
17:24.10beandogtrue
17:24.41beandog/pattern/i
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17:34.41PoeticIntensitywps, are you interested in a side work at the moment?
17:34.50wpsdepends on what it is
17:35.10PoeticIntensityI've recommended you to a client, and he's interested in seeing your work.
17:35.20beandogwps, babysitting
17:35.20PoeticIntensityhe's got bids from a couple other designers...
17:35.24PoeticIntensityand I've got a spec-sheet...
17:35.26beandog:)
17:35.38wpsyou are welcome to send him a link to my portfolio
17:38.48mindjujuanybody know how to spell scooch (to slide across)
17:38.52mindjujuis that how you spell it?
17:39.05mindjujusounds like it might need a k in there somewhere
17:39.12mindjujuskooch?
17:39.38mindjujusckooch
17:40.19timinatorscotch ...oh, no, that's something different
17:40.29timinatorI'd say scootch
17:40.44timinatorbut I don't know
17:40.46timinator:)
17:42.06mindjujui think you're right
17:42.09mindjujuscootch
17:42.40mindjujucourse though, urban dictionary is telling me about new meanings of the word that make me think i should just choose something else
17:44.13Utah_Dave~scootch mindjuju
17:44.24mindjujusup utah_dave
17:44.53Utah_Davenot much, just playing around with my new mac mini
17:45.07Utah_Daveand trying to root out a bug in this php app
17:45.31mindjujudid the mac mini come with a pair of Birkenstock
17:45.38mindjujuor is that an accessory ?
17:46.15Utah_DaveI suddenly feel much sexier, but it's kind of painful to have to relearn keyboard shortcuts, etc
17:46.43mindjujutoo funny
17:47.07mindjujui'd go for a Mac, but i'm afraid i'd be shot down as a Trendy-Poser
17:47.51Utah_DaveIt was actually given to me in exchange for some tech work.
17:48.14Utah_DaveSo far it's pretty cool. It's just a pain to have to learn another OS.
17:49.17tierraI don't see what half of you think is so great about OSX... I've been required to work on a Mac on an off for the last 1.5+ years, and I hate it
17:49.37tierrait's very inconvenient for me
17:50.15tierraand I didn't even have to pay the price tag on the mac
17:50.17tierraheh
17:51.24mindjujutierra, was more teasing Utah_Dave than anything
17:51.48mindjujulike my box just fine, though herlo 's eeepc did make me seriously covet it for a little while
17:52.10herlothis makes me sad :( --> http://tinyurl.com/56ry36
17:55.13mindjujuthey don't have a version of xp that runs on the eeepc well, what makes them think that OLPC would be able to fit it?
17:55.21mindjujudon't know the specs, but thought the drive was REALLY small
17:56.10tierrasounds like the engineers are to blame... they couldn't get flash working in linux? it's not like it hasn't been working for the last year+ ... also what do they plan to do with MS trying to obsolete XP, and they're not going to have an upgrade path to Vista since they're trying to do this all on cheap, slow hardware that's not going to support it
17:56.17mindjujuand i'm glad they said this in the article, cause as far as I know, this is a MAJOR hamper
17:56.18mindjujuMoving to Windows could also remove the competitive barriers put up by both  Microsoft and Intel  Corp., which offers the rival Windows-based Classmate PC.
17:57.15mindjujuoriginally, wasn't it AMD doing cpu and visual?  heard that Intel came around and started pounding on them by offering something similar
18:08.14herlomindjuju: its an AMD proc
18:09.00herloboth intel and M$ want a piece of the OLPC because they *know* that if it gets into the hands of the 3rd world, they can dominate that world with their b0rkened software
18:15.02beandogdoesnt matter
18:15.10beandogthe fact is, someone can make the same thing and sell it cheaper because its using linux.
18:16.15beandogeven if the project fails, the idea will live on
18:19.00herlobeandog: people are afraid of Open Source according to mr negroponte though
18:19.16beandogmm
18:19.19beandogI dont believe it.
18:19.28herlobeandog: me neither
18:19.33herlobut its in the article that way
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18:22.21beandogI have this new conspiracy theory
18:22.31beandogpeople can write anything int hese articles, but who ever does fact checking?
18:22.46beandogmost outlets just echo what one source says
18:22.59beandogwheres the proof?
18:23.01beandoganyway.
18:23.08beandogkind of a weak circle of trust.
18:24.46herlobeandog: I don't know, good points
18:30.32herlobeandog: this might be more appropriate: http://www.olpcnews.com/
18:30.37herloseems like that's the actual article
18:31.24beandogherlo, well half the management leaving because of the decision doesnt exactly inspire confidence.
18:31.51herloI agree
18:32.12herlobut I guess C|Net has to put their management's spin on things or it wouldn't be an interesting read
18:33.13beandogdude, cnet is pro-ms.
18:33.16beandogand totally biased.
18:33.22beandogthey are just the industry's spank monkeys
18:33.28herlobeandog: like I said, I'm just saddened by the attempts at making something so potientially great a proprietary mess
18:33.43herlobeandog: I know, that's why I stated my comment about cnet that way
18:33.48beandogherlo, yah, well like I said... the idea will live on.  Its proven to work, so someone else can do the same thing.
18:33.54herloits still a shame because a lot of people read cnet
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18:36.30beandogthe register
18:36.40beandogthat's almost as much a troll website as much as slashdot.
18:36.52Lone_Wanderer<3 the Register
18:38.01PoeticIntensitywps, PM sent
18:38.49Lone_WandererSo, question for you all.
18:39.20Lone_WandererWhat was it, now?  Oh yes.
18:39.25Lone_WandererRuby on Rails or Django.
18:39.35herloDjango is the bomb!
18:40.11herloLone_Wanderer: I am writing a ton of good things in it, and I love its ORM
18:40.30beandogorm?
18:40.30Lone_WandererNow I just need someone to tell me that RoR sucks.
18:40.36beandogit sucks.
18:40.44beandoguse COBOL
18:40.47Lone_WandererORM sucks or RoR does?
18:43.11herloLone_Wanderer: the ORM in RoR is limiting at best, but it works well in many situations from what I've heard.  I have never coded in RoR though
18:43.25Lone_Wandererk
18:43.28beandogasp.net > *
18:43.36Lone_WandererI've dabbled in both and I like Django better as well.
18:46.45herlo~lart beandog for his lame opinion
18:46.45jbotputs beandog through a wood chipper for his lame opinion
18:47.01beandog:)
18:47.15Lone_WandererI decided not to respond
18:47.26Lone_Wandererbecause the only response I found appropriate was personal bodily harm against beandog
18:47.35beandogto shame
18:49.01Lone_WandererWhat am I supposed to be ashamed of?
18:49.09Lone_WandererYou're the one who mentioned AIDS.
18:49.12Lone_WandererI mean asp.net
18:58.30wpsIf anyone wants a smoothie, I recommend the new Roxberry smoothie shop in American Fork
18:58.32wpsdelicious
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19:02.45jsmithwps: Email me one of those smoothies, would ya?
19:03.01wpsI could go for a smoothie any time
19:03.04wps:)
19:04.12timinatorI've got to roll... baby's Dr. Appointment
19:04.14jsmithwps: My kids call me the Smoothie King
19:04.16timinatorlater guys
19:04.20jsmithlater!
19:13.38beandogoh
19:13.44beandogI need some Dean martin to keep me awake
19:13.57beandogthat or some personality-altering drugs.
19:14.07beandogI left those in the car.
19:14.09Lone_WandererI recommend Adderall.  The legal meth!
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19:14.36beandogmeth is illegal?
19:16.19unumwhat? no way?
19:16.19beandogbut its so easy to make with just household items
19:53.58brasto~send police to beandog's place
19:53.58jbotGo (.*?), police
19:54.07brasto?
19:54.08beandoglol
19:54.19brastolol
19:54.20beandogle bork
19:54.23brastowhatever that meant
19:57.34brastoinfobot, what is le bork?
19:57.44brasto~what
19:58.16brastojbot, what is le bork
19:58.16jbotACTION is le bork to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion
20:00.56mindjujule ouch! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_KhtIlLMg0
20:01.10mindjujui hear hockey pucks can go upwards of 100mph
20:01.51mindjujuhere is an article behind the science of the video and all things important to men - http://www.popsci.com/score/article/2008-04/cup-stops-here
20:06.24mindjujuoh wow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C9aiWr0Vfg
20:16.01brastowps, ever run in to an issue where you couldn't launch Jing?
20:16.13brastonothing happens when i try to launch it right now...
20:16.19wpsnot that I can remember
20:16.26mindjujutry restarting computer?
20:16.39wpsyou sure it's not running?
20:16.44wpsit doesn't do much
20:16.52wpsno icon in the menu bar?
20:16.53brastomindjuju must use Windows since a reboot is what fixes all things
20:16.58wpsindeed
20:16.59brastojk, mindjuju
20:17.03wpsI'm not
20:17.09brastolol
20:17.19wpscheck the Application Monitor
20:17.52brastowps, there's the jing icon on the menu bar that i dragged there, but when it's running it puts the sun at the top right corner
20:18.37brastolol
20:18.39wpsI disable the sun in favor of the menu bar icon
20:18.48brastowps, Activity Monitor?
20:19.04wps<PROTECTED>
20:19.10brastoactually,l i may have disabled the sun and put in the menu bar icon myself... you just reminded me
20:19.20brastobut, the menu bar icon isn't there either...
20:19.47wpshttp://screencast.com/t/lqMqY5Ve
20:19.51brastowait, there it is
20:20.47brastodid we just get a netsplit?
20:21.10brastoodd, all the chat history just wiped out...
20:21.10wpsnot that I saw
20:21.20wpsdid you type "/clear" ?
20:21.29wps:)
20:21.34SunSparcOr press Apple+K
20:21.38SunSparcI think
20:21.51brastonope, no unless i had one big long fat finguring exactly in the sequence of /clear...
20:22.02brastos/no unless/not unless/
20:22.28brastohmmm, might have inadvertently done that...
20:22.48brastocool video wps, didn't know you could do that with jing
20:23.05wpsjing rocks
20:23.28wpsthe interface is annoying, but the functionality/service is great
20:23.41wpsfree + great = oh yeah
20:24.13mindjujuplus, if you need your vids to be somewhere more private, they let you config to upload to your own FTP serv, or file to desktop
20:24.25wpsyup
20:30.06brastothat's what i'm trying to do
20:30.34brastothe screenshots come to desktop ok, but the video is trying to go to screencast and this one i probably shouldn't put up there...
20:30.42brastowhere do i configure that?
20:30.57brastomindjuju: is there a jing for Windows?
20:31.18mindjujuyes, jing for all OSs AFAIK
20:31.38wpsbrasto: the _where_ setting is the same for images and videos
20:32.20brastoodd, my images in history still go to my desktop, and my video in history tries to go to screencast.
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20:43.47brastook, so you can't change the where setting in history, you have to do it when capturing.
20:43.58wpscorrect
20:44.32brastothat's annoying...
20:45.29mindjujui can see how it could be, but for those who have myriads of screenshots / videos going to thousands of locations, it's quite handy
20:46.13mindjujuthese vids for training (so FTP), that screenshot for IRC, so screencast (like wps does), etc
20:46.34mindjujutakes some getting used to, IMNSHO
20:49.35wpsI hate door-to-door salesmen so much
20:50.03wpsI hate being solicited to in general for that matter
20:50.09beandoghear hear
20:50.19wpsbut I especially hate you coming to my home
20:50.33beandogjust put one of those "no soliciting" signs on your door.
20:50.36wpsand super especially hate you ringing my doorbell when my baby is sleeping
20:50.41beandogThat or "We have AIDS.  Enter at your own risk"
20:50.47wpsI need to put up a sign
20:50.57wpsdrives me nuts
20:51.04wpswhat makes them thing I would be interested?
20:51.10beandogjust do what I do
20:51.12beandogdon't answer the door
20:51.18beandogIf they really need you, they'll knock twice.
20:51.32wpsyes… but then they ring three times and wake the baby up
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20:51.55beandoghmm
20:52.05beandogwell Im out of ideas.
20:52.14beandogI wonder how effective a sign would be.
20:52.26mindjujuout of curiosity what where they selling?
20:52.36wpshome alarm systems
20:52.40mindjujuoh
20:52.46wpsthat's what they are usually selling
20:52.54wpsI've been approached about six times now since moving into this house
20:53.01beandogdo you ever get paranoid and think that salespeople are really just robbers in disguise trying to find out which homes have the best stuff inside?
20:53.05mindjujuthe ole' we've got some extra pieces and a van full of cable, we can do it now at a discount
20:53.07wpsYES!
20:53.17mindjujuyup, heard that one before
20:53.27wpsor even just simply finding out who does or doesn't have alarms
20:53.30beandogmy cheese is trying to eat me
20:54.50beandogalarms are pretty worthless th ese days anyway
20:54.54beandognow that everyone has one
20:55.02mindjujui'm getting one
20:55.03beandogI mean, if you ever hear your neighbor's going off, what do you do?
20:55.04beandogignore it.
20:55.05mindjujuwith a big honking horn
20:55.22beandogand the real joke is those commercials that show the company calling you the second it goes off
20:55.25beandogthat *never* happens.
20:55.36wpsI've always thought that the bulgars would be long gone before the cops got there anyway
20:55.46beandoghello, mrs home alone with her kids, is everything alright?  Did you check upstairs?  grab a kitchen knife just in case!
20:56.29beandogbesides
20:56.33jsmithbeandog: Exactly... "lock yourself in a bedroom for an hour until we send a rent-a-cop to your door"
20:56.40beandoglike some stupid thief is going to break in while all the lights are on in the house.
20:56.44mindjujubeandog, i think that's very true, but in an emergency, one little advantage is better than no advantage
20:56.59mindjujusirens do tend to still scare off bad guys
20:57.10beandogI say just get a dog
20:57.22wpsI want a moat
20:57.35beandogheh
20:57.38wpsha ha ha
20:58.25SunSparcA Chihuahua bark is as good as a siren.
20:58.27SunSparc;)
20:58.44xilch|wI want this: http://technabob.com/blog/2008/04/08/remote-controlled-paintball-turret-is-ready-for-action/
20:58.45SunSparcExcept you have to feed it and it is harder to turn off.
20:58.54mindjujuwell, a chihuahua bark + bullhorn = good as siren
20:59.28mindjujuxilch|w - that looks like it came off half life 2
21:00.11xilch|wSeriously, how fun would it be to be shooting paintballs at burglars.
21:00.15beandogwps, just put a sign up that says "theres no chance Im gonna buy your crap, so buzz off"
21:00.38unummy current plan is to never keep anything worth stealing in my house
21:00.46unumI think my couch is my most valuable item
21:00.49wpsI hate it when you have similarly named directories next to each other so that tab-complete doesn't work well
21:01.02beandogor you can answer the door in your underwear.  that might scare em off
21:01.04xilch|wI'd sure miss my computers.
21:01.20unumwhen I volunteered at a domestic violence shelter it seemed the security company called pretty quickly
21:01.21xilch|wThey aren't too valuable, but everything they contain sure is.
21:01.33unumI think it takes about 30 seconds at my work
21:02.05unumyou'd be lucky to get $100 for all of my computer equipment
21:02.05brastois there a better zip manager than mac's native one?
21:02.08beandogmindjuju, pfft, no anime here
21:02.10unumand none of it is easy to get to
21:02.12wpsI'd rather be bitten by a dog than look at anime
21:02.30wpsyou wanting to zip or unzip, brasto ?
21:02.32beandogI dont get the whole anime thing.
21:02.41wpsI can't stand anime
21:02.56mindjujuoh for soem reason i thought you collected anime too, beandog
21:03.02mindjujuis it just cartoons you collect?
21:03.10SunSparcbrasto: cli has tar and gzip
21:03.14beandogmindjuju, no, I dont even have anything neari t
21:03.16brastoi want to have control enough to view a zip file without unzipping, or to create a bz or gz file when I want since they are much better than zip
21:03.25beandogmindjuju, well, live tv shows as well
21:03.27brastotrue
21:03.40beandogbrasto, less?
21:03.48SunSparcbrasto: why not just unzip it?
21:03.49beandogis there a zipcat?
21:04.07beandogmindjuju, CHiPs++
21:04.20wpsyeah? why have a special tool to view it's contents without unzipping it? is it 200 GB?
21:04.37brastoSunSparc: example: I get a zip file and put it on my desktop.  I unzip it assuming it's all in one folder.  Suddenly my desktop has 450000 icons
21:04.50beandogbrasto, run less on it to see contents
21:04.53beandogor
21:05.00beandogunzip -d somedirectory foo.zip
21:05.15wpshmm… everything I unzip seems to always come out in a folder
21:05.39brastomost people zip things properly that way, wps, but not all
21:05.56brastomaybe a mac is smart enough to create a folder if all the files are not in a folder in the original zip...
21:05.59beandogtheres a lot of zipfail out there.
21:06.01SunSparcwps: Same here
21:06.03brastoi'll have to test that sometime
21:06.20wpsfor unzipping, I would recommend http://wakaba.c3.cx/s/apps/unarchiver.html
21:06.26brastoi haven't had that happen to me on a mac yet, but it's happened before in Windows.
21:07.22wpsdrop that in your Utilities folder and then set your archive file-types to use that automatically unstead of BOMArchiveHelper
21:09.46beandoghmm
21:09.46SunSparcbrasto: I am pretty sure that the Mac unzipper always makes a new folder for the contents of a zip.  No matter what.  I have never had the zip contents spill onto my desktop or any other folder.  That just would not be the Mac Way.
21:09.50beandogsmbget is a little finicky
21:10.14beandogSunSparc, well, it'd be simple to test.
21:10.19beandogjust zip something up that's not in a directory
21:10.20SunSparcYep
21:11.04brastoi tested it, but i created the zip file with mac's native zipper, so it may have created the folder in the zip
21:11.59brastobeandog, less a binary zip file?
21:13.26brastothat would spit out a lot of, as the English say it "gobbeldy gook"
21:14.55brastotest completed with cli zip/unzip vs mac gui
21:17.53wpsI love the command line
21:18.00wpsI am at home today
21:18.15wpsa coworker was having trouble getting a file off of an FTP server
21:18.49SunSparc~cli++
21:18.55wpsI SSH'd into my workstation at the office, cd'd over to a directory on the file server… and pulled the files down via FTP get
21:22.58wpsbeandog: I figured out what to say on my sign:
21:22.59wps"If I ever want your product, I'll come find you. You wake my baby… you die."
21:23.13jsmithwps: Isn't being a command-line commando nice?
21:23.23wpsdefinately
21:23.38wpsI love it
21:24.01wpsall be working from home and talking to a coworker about a file I need and they say "want me to email it to you?"
21:24.14wps"no! why would you email it? put it on the file server"
21:25.03herlowps: because they don't know how to put it on a file server, its not intuitive to them
21:26.48SunSparcEmail was not created for files.
21:26.58wpsI wish it never supported attachments
21:27.09SunSparcIt is a kludge
21:27.20SunSparcA bastardization
21:28.09wpsalthough I would take attachments any day over HTML email
21:28.20SunSparcAmen
21:28.29SunSparcHTML email is evil.
21:28.39SunSparcAlthough, they can be pretty....
21:28.49SunSparcHTML email is evil.
21:29.02brasto~karma cli
21:29.02jbotcli has karma of 1
21:29.07brasto~cli++
21:29.14brasto~karma cli
21:29.14jbotcli has karma of 2
21:29.16SunSparcthe web was made for HTML
21:29.28SunSparcSee, a place for everything and everything in it's place.
21:29.32unumit's something I had been meaning to go online and buy
21:29.50wpsI'm surprised that the salesmen get enough business to justify walking around all day
21:29.50unumactually salesman is not the right word, it was the newspaper boy
21:30.42unummy favorite was the guy who came buy my apartment to convince me to get a mortgate from him.  told him to bad I was signing my closing papers the next day he was too late
21:31.36beandogwps, lol thats great
21:42.54Utah_DaveI want to put together one of these for security at my house
21:42.55Utah_Davehttp://www.waterhobo.com/
21:43.05Utah_DaveOK, maybe just to keep the kids off my lawn
21:44.45Utah_Davewaterhobo in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irqHWEPM1OE
21:50.47Lone_WandererDoes it squirt water at people who come on your lawn?
21:50.58SunSparcWatch the video
21:51.03SunSparcThe answer is yes.  :)
21:51.06SunSparcPretty cool
21:51.13Lone_WandererThat's freaking awesome.
21:51.25Lone_WandererI'd want to modify it so it shoots water at like 1,000 psi
21:51.27wpslooks like it needs a more powerful canon though
21:51.41Lone_WandererReplace the pump with something more powerful.
21:51.55Lone_WandererLike the hydraulic pump from an Apache >.>
21:52.15_psychic__naw you'd get in trouble if it was much more than an annoyance I think
21:52.16Lone_Wanderer3k psi within the first split second after powering on
21:52.31Lone_WandererYou could cut squirrels in half.
21:52.36SunSparclol
21:52.52SunSparcYeah, you would probably get some cops at your place.
21:52.57Lone_WandererProbably yeah.
21:53.05Lone_WandererUnfortunately.
21:53.07SunSparcBut they would get sliced in half!
21:53.29Lone_WandererWhen I was a kid, carving your initials into your neighbor's kid with a beam of water was our idea of a practical joke.
21:53.33Lone_WandererNobody has a sense of humor any more.
21:53.58_psychic__maybe it's because they all got cut up as kids
21:53.59Lone_WandererOkay, gotta hit the chow hall before they close.
21:54.02Lone_WandererY'all have a good evening.
21:54.15wpsyou on a military base?
21:54.19orsonjmy sense of humor tries not to include that which creates more work for someone
21:54.21Lone_WandererYeah, Ft. Eustis in VA
21:54.25wpsoh :)
21:54.44Lone_WandererYou know I joined the Army, right?
21:55.00wpsthat sounds familiar now, yeah
21:55.22Lone_WandererI guess it's a bigger deal to me than it is to people who I've never really met in person :p
22:04.06wpswhat do you do in the military that allows you to be on IRC all day, Lone_Wanderer?
22:04.09wpsare you coding?
22:04.23wpsI can't believe it's 16:00 already
22:04.28herlow00t!
22:04.30brastoi want to associate .swf files with firefox on my mac, but it won't let me pick firefox - it's greyed out.
22:04.32wpsI haven't gotten anything done today
22:04.37herlokeep working then
22:13.46Utah_DaveI'm thinking that something easier than the waterhobo would be to connect the video and motion equipment to my sprinkler system.
22:14.09Utah_DaveSome kid runs across my yard to get to the bus stop and the sprinklers come on for 1 minute, or something
22:15.27beandogI can never remember the cron schedules.
22:21.21beandogheck I cant even remember how to pipe both stdout and stderr
22:21.42beandogmy brain is full.
22:22.00beandogtoo many lolcats.
22:24.30bradymbrasto: you should check out ##mac
22:25.29beandog~feelmypain
22:25.40brasto:)
22:25.49beandogwhy do they have the two # chars?
22:25.53beandogwhy not just #mac
22:26.32beandogIve never understood that.
22:26.32brasto##channel means it's unnofficial
22:26.32beandogohh
22:26.32brastoor something like that
22:26.33wpswhat makes a channel official?
22:26.41brastowps: having only one # sign.
22:26.43brasto:)
22:26.45brastojk
22:28.24bradymi used to know the difference, but i forgot what the ## means
22:28.46Lone_Wandererabout
22:29.03Lone_Wanderer##mac is for talking about macs, rather than being the channel for (i.e.) mac employees
22:29.11beandoghttp://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html
22:29.27Lone_Wanderer#uphpu is the channel for UPHPU members; if you wanted a channel to talk about uphpu as an entity then you'd want ##uphpu
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22:30.15Lone_Wandererwps: Today is "Safety Briefing" day.
22:30.38Lone_WandererAlso we're two hours ahead of you guys.  So it was late afternoon when I logged on.
22:30.47bradym"The short version is that official channel names start with one #, unofficial start with ##. If your channel is not an official one, please use ## at the start of the channel name, or you may be asked to move."
22:30.50bradymhttp://blog.freenode.net/
22:31.24Lone_WandererActually, regardless, my class schedule is from 1700 to 0100 so I could be on IRC all day and no-one would care.
22:32.48Lone_WandererOkay, time to go to the cemetery.
22:32.56Lone_WandererIt's Graveyard Photography day!  I'll be sure to post links.
22:32.58wpscemetary?
22:33.11Lone_WandererIt's a long story.  I'll explain later.
22:33.21wpsyou have a much more interesting daily itinerary than I
22:39.32Utah_Dave~tunafart mindjuju
22:39.33jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
22:39.44Utah_Davemindjuju: how's your restoration project going?
22:58.56mindjujuthx a heap utah_dave
22:59.00mindjujurestoration going well
22:59.13mindjujujust doing some quick research though on renderfarms
22:59.55mindjujuwhat you up to?
23:01.16Utah_Daveputting together some info for a presentation I have to do next week
23:01.41Utah_DaveUpper officers are finally coming around to letting me replace our current phone system with Asterisk!
23:01.43Utah_DaveWoot!
23:01.49mindjujuway cool!
23:02.10tierranice
23:13.19Utah_Daveit should be a fun project.
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23:30.34mindjuju~apb herlo
23:30.34jbotACTION hires Duane Lee to rough up herlo
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23:38.46SunSparcNight all
23:45.30herlo~onjoin brasto Im online 4/23 until about 9pm.  feel free to ping me, herlo
23:45.30jbotherlo: ok
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23:50.39mindjujuhere comes that utah_dave again
23:52.16Utah_Dave~praise mindjuju
23:52.17jbotAll hail mindjuju!
23:58.02mindjujui really hope it ISN'T going to snow tomorrow
23:58.29Utah_Dave~sunshine mindjuju
23:58.44wpsif it does, I doubt it'll be much
23:59.42Utah_Dave~sun mindjuju
23:59.47Utah_DaveHmm.

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