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02:19.11mindjuju@synic - hybrid on ravetrax.com
02:19.15mindjujuway good set
02:32.47influx^^request eassistance
02:32.52influx^^assistance*
02:33.20influx^^requesting
02:33.36influx^^juju/w 7
02:35.54mindjujusup
02:38.30influx^^nm
02:38.35influx^^running late on a project
02:38.47mindjujuk
02:38.48influx^^wondering if I can find a canned solution.
02:38.54mindjujufor?
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02:39.30influx^^mmmmm
02:39.51influx^^posting news item that have "related items" links (either to news articles offsite, or articles and press releases stored ont he server).
02:39.58influx^^That and a contact form.
02:40.26influx^^admin end should only have "add" "delete" "modify" capabilities.
02:40.37influx^^I've got it just about all done, but I'm missing...
02:40.47mindjujuhmmm... you mean like if somebody searches for the term butter on your site, it should list all things on your site, and then under related, pull up google's results?
02:40.51mindjujunot sure if i understood
02:41.03influx^^sorry. hectic day.
02:41.20influx^^a blog, basically.
02:41.43mindjujuor show related posts from something on the site?
02:41.57influx^^only one page needs the functionality. The admin section should only allow for making new entries (consisting of the title, body, and any related files [uploaded])
02:42.18influx^^making new entries, modifying them, or altogether deleting them (and associated files)
02:42.36influx^^what the site visitor should see is just the list of posts, paginated (got that taken care of)
02:42.40mindjujuk, we're kinda jumping all over the place.  let's focus on one thing and go from there
02:42.45influx^^yeah.
02:42.45mindjujucan we start with the search?
02:42.54influx^^no search
02:43.08mindjujuso what is "related items" ?
02:43.35influx^^a press relase or two, and any news articles elsewhere (linked to by the site owner)
02:43.52influx^^a press release being a pdf file on the owner's server.
02:44.09mindjujuso the site owner is going to identify what is a "related item"
02:44.19influx^^yes.
02:44.37influx^^He'll upload any files if he needs  to, and specify linnks in a separate input field on the upload form.
02:45.01influx^^Hmm. Maybe I should switch from Rammstein to something else.
02:45.05mindjujuk
02:45.13mindjujuso that can just pull from a SQL query
02:45.21influx^^yep
02:45.39influx^^My issue, at this moment, is making the filename websafe.
02:45.46mindjujuah
02:45.59influx^^so, replacing spaces with underscores, and removing any vertical bars or special characters from the name.
02:46.15influx^^I'm not sure what counts as a special character though (I'm gthinking *$!#@)
02:46.46mindjujuregex /w  (shortkey) will land on all things not alphanumeric
02:46.55mindjujusorry, it goes the other way
02:46.57mindjuju\w
02:47.12influx^^and the . preceding the extension name, i gather
02:47.20influx^^I mean, it'll land on that too, no?
02:48.23mindjujuyes, it'll land on anything not alphanumeric, or an underscore, hmm
02:48.32mindjujui think i have a script somewherez
02:48.43mindjujuPM me your email and i'll pack it up and send to you
02:48.52mindjujuif i recall, it has all filters and allows for specific filetypes
02:49.04mindjujuwith a "no no" message if they try to upload a file that isn't allowed
02:49.17influx^^martin@hellofount.com
02:49.24influx^^durr
02:49.29mindjujusoaky
02:49.37mindjujujbot will just publish to the web
02:49.43mindjujufor the whole free-lovin' world to see
02:49.46mindjuju:)
02:49.50influx^^;)
02:50.10influx^^pallid*
02:51.57influx^^Maybe I should look into cake for future projects.
02:52.14mindjujuyeah, macnewbold and dexterthedragon are advocates of cake
02:52.17wpsI'm thinking of cake to go with my ice cream
02:52.57mindjujuinflux^^ email sent
02:53.01influx^^gracias
02:53.03influx^^*checking*
02:53.46influx^^thanks for commenting the functions :D
02:53.50influx^^err, the conditionals and such
02:54.03mindjuju:)
02:54.35mindjujuthe way dexterthedragon talks about cake, it sounds like it would be REALLY easy to do this
02:54.48mindjujuthinking about finding a project to explore cake on
02:55.06influx^^*nod*
02:55.29influx^^does it make sense to check the mime type of the file too, or can that be faked?
02:55.36influx^^err
02:55.41influx^^or can that not be faked
02:56.51mindjujudataw0lf can prolly speak better to whether it can be faked or no, but *I* don't think it can
02:57.08mindjujuAFAIK, it's a server function of some kind that tests the file
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03:34.48influx^^bwah
03:35.18influx^^learning cake is going to take longer than I thought. Better switch back to ye ol grease of the elbow
03:38.47influx^^:OD
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03:58.05orsonjDexterTheDragon: did you see the cake habtm metadata modification code I sent the other day
03:58.38DexterTheDragonhow many days ago?
03:58.57orsonjnot sure, but I am pretty sure the pastebin expired already
03:59.15DexterTheDragonif it was several days ago I saw that one
03:59.16mindjujusup dexterthedragon
03:59.32DexterTheDragonpacking for a trip
03:59.36DexterTheDragonyou?
03:59.36mindjujunice
03:59.43mindjujulamenting my fate
03:59.49mindjujuremember that design i showed ya on FRiday
03:59.55mindjujui'm doing the CSS / HTML on it
03:59.57DexterTheDragonoh yeah
04:00.01DexterTheDragonwoohoo
04:00.12mindjujuwell, i' doing that with one hand, giving myself a lobomoty with the other
04:00.33DexterTheDragonI've got this site where I'm rebuilding it from the ground up
04:00.41orsonjsounds fun
04:00.44DexterTheDragonjust finished normalizing the database
04:00.48DexterTheDragonthat was horrible
04:00.53orsonjI just "finished" the programming test for CG
04:00.53mindjujudo tell
04:01.15DexterTheDragonnow I'm working on this html thats all tables and javascript roll overs
04:01.28mindjujuoh nice
04:01.31DexterTheDragonso this database was storing orders and claims in the same table
04:01.57DexterTheDragonwas using GUID's instead of just a auto inc primary key
04:02.03mindjujuoh love it!
04:02.04DexterTheDragonpretty much
04:02.11DexterTheDragonHad contact info in 8 places
04:02.39DexterTheDragonWas linking a couple tables with a text field, that could be edited independently in both tables
04:03.04DexterTheDragonits been hell to get it normalized
04:03.56mindjuju(techno remix)
04:04.01DexterTheDragonthere we go
04:21.29herlomindjuju: SpeedRacer comes out May 9
04:24.04mindjujuspeed racer?
04:30.41oldsdidn't the aphex twins do a speed racer remix?
04:30.59mindjujuhmmm...., i'm not sure
04:31.05mindjujuonly know the dj keoki one
04:31.38oldshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U15lDKARwe0&feature=related
04:31.40oldsit's this one
04:31.53oldsthe video is dumb, but it's the right song
04:32.03oldsahh
04:32.06oldsAlpha Team
04:32.11oldsclose enough ;)
04:32.47mindjujuwell, don't go looking for the dj keoki one, 95% of the versions you'll find are NSFW
04:33.07oldsI'm not at work
04:33.15oldsit's like 10:30
04:33.20olds:)
04:37.12josephscottI don't recommend working from home, seems like I'm always at work :-)
04:37.30oldsyea, I try to avoid that
04:38.12mindjujuyeah, but going into the office for josephscott means a flight to San Fran
04:38.21oldslol
04:38.23oldstrue
04:38.40josephscottand even then the closest thing to an office is matt's apartment :-)
04:39.03josephscottwhen we're in SF we borrow someone else's office
04:39.10mindjujutoo funny
04:39.24mindjujuyou know, i've never debugged CSS with firebug before,this is a dream!
04:39.57josephscottwhat did you use before?
04:40.34oldssrsly
04:41.13mindjujumy fav HTML editor...
04:41.14mindjujuhttp://htmledit.squarefree.com/
04:41.28mindjujuwhen ever i have to school somebody on HTML / CSS or debug, i use that
04:41.31josephscottouch, welcome to the firebug club
04:41.46mindjujuold habits die hard
04:41.50mindjujubeen using that for a LONG time
04:41.55oldswow
04:42.28mindjujuit's essentially the same thing, except that firebug is refined
04:42.49josephscottand FREAKING AWESOME!
04:43.18mindjujuyeah, tis true, fb is freakin' aweomse
04:43.36josephscottfirebug does so much, it's sad that MS hasn't just done an exact copy for IE.
04:43.43josephscottwould make fixing things in IE much easier
04:44.28oldsthere's a stripped down firebug for IE/Safari
04:44.44oldshttp://www.getfirebug.com/lite.html
04:46.38josephscottyeah, I've used it, just isn't the same
04:47.02oldsI agree
04:47.15josephscottlike driving a hot fancy sports car that had it's engine replaced with one from a lawn mower
04:47.33mindjujuheh
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14:48.20mindjujugreets all
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15:36.31SunSparcYou want a lawn mower that looks like a sports car?
15:36.46SunSparcOr a lawn mower for your sports car?
15:38.47beandogPoeticIntensity, ping
15:38.50beandoghttp://www.logicsupply.com/products/ex10000eg
15:38.53beandogcheck out that hawtness.
15:38.56beandogsuper must have want.
15:41.04orsonjI was just reading backlog. (...like driving a hot fancy sports car that had it's engine replaced with one from a lawn mower)
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15:42.39SunSparcAh, must have missed that conversation.
15:43.41timinatormorning guys
15:43.53SunSparcYes, it is, timinator
15:43.57SunSparc:)
15:45.16oldsmornin' guys
15:45.36orsonjwell, on this part of the planet anyway. :)
15:47.16DexterTheDragon~lart cakephp
15:47.16jbotpours gasoline all over cakephp, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
15:47.24DexterTheDragonamen
15:47.47oldshaha
15:47.51SunSparcDexterTheDragon: Why the animosity toward CakePHP this morning?
15:48.26DexterTheDragonI've been fighting since yesterday. Trying to get it to do what I want
15:48.38DexterTheDragons/fighting/fighting it/
15:48.48SunSparcAre you using the "Cake" way?
15:49.02SunSparcThe Tao of Cake?
15:49.15orsonjThe "Cake" way isn't documented. (Fully)
15:49.22DexterTheDragonI'm trying to do it the "Cake" way
15:49.32DexterTheDragonand thats why its been a pain
15:49.36SunSparcWhat are you trying to do?
15:49.50DexterTheDragontrying to build report pages
15:50.03DexterTheDragonreports usually use some hairy sql
15:50.11SunSparcI see you are on #cakephp, that is a good place to be.
15:50.14DexterTheDragonbut if I use raw sql I lose some cake features
15:50.41DexterTheDragonso I've been trying to wrangle the sql into happy cake stuff
15:50.52SunSparcYou mean using query() instead of find()?
15:50.57DexterTheDragonyeah
15:51.28SunSparcYeah, find can take some getting used to, that is for sure.
15:51.34DexterTheDragonI can use query and be fine but I want to have pagination stuffs and paginate uses findAll
15:52.09DexterTheDragonso yeah I've been having quite the hassle with models and assocciations and all that
15:52.11SunSparcThis is true.
15:52.18DexterTheDragonstarting to get a handle on it tho
15:53.09SunSparcThat is good.  I admit that there is a bit of a learning curve with Cake.  But, in my opinion, it is worth learning as there are many powerful tools and features in Cake and it is only getting better.
15:53.33DexterTheDragonyeah thats what I think
15:53.47DexterTheDragonthats why I pulled out my hair to get this working in it
15:53.57DexterTheDragonso I can use the cool features like paginate
15:54.03SunSparcI have had my share of Cake frustration, and I will probably have more, but having produced cool apps in very little time is amazing.
15:54.29SunSparcYeah, the guys in #cakephp are usually pretty helpful also.
15:54.41SunSparcGood community overall.
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16:04.53PoeticIntensity~pong beandog
16:04.53jbotbeandog: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:04.59beandogoy
16:05.01beandogsee the linkie?
16:05.05PoeticIntensityYEAH
16:05.11PoeticIntensitylooks like a motherboard...
16:05.14beandogmini-itx mobo
16:05.17beandogfanless, baby!
16:05.18PoeticIntensityan expensive one at that...
16:05.29beandogyou cant pay enough for mobo lovin.
16:05.32beandog:)
16:05.36PoeticIntensityhehe
16:05.57PoeticIntensitywhat the hey is a C7 Eden processor?
16:06.17beandogIts basically a stripped down i686 chip with MMX, MMXEXT, SSE, SSE2 and SSE3
16:06.28PoeticIntensitycurious.
16:06.31beandogVery fast.
16:06.53beandogThe C7 Ive got at home peaks at 1000 mhz, but it plays back video quite smoothly.
16:07.12PoeticIntensitycomposite, component, DVI...
16:07.16PoeticIntensitywow.
16:07.18beandogtwo SPDIF
16:07.21beandogs-video
16:07.22beandogRCA
16:07.26beandog:)
16:07.44beandogAnd the openchrome drivers are very, very, very nice.
16:07.53beandogI'm getting equal performance comparative to the nvidia blobs.
16:08.01PoeticIntensityno SATA?
16:08.02beandogwell, for video playback.
16:08.11beandogPoeticIntensity, Id use a flash drive anyway
16:08.20PoeticIntensitynot me.... yet.
16:08.35PoeticIntensityso....  that kinda sucks....
16:08.40PoeticIntensityneeds an IDE HD...
16:08.41PoeticIntensity:-|
16:08.43PoeticIntensitypoops.
16:08.49PoeticIntensityoh...
16:08.50PoeticIntensitywait.
16:08.53PoeticIntensityit's got SATA.
16:08.56beandogWell you can build an embedded image
16:08.56PoeticIntensityI just can't see where.
16:09.06beandogtakes a lot of time / pain
16:09.06beandog:T
16:09.08PoeticIntensityah, there it is.
16:09.09beandogbut it works.
16:09.17PoeticIntensitynooples.
16:09.18beandogThe one on my mythfrontend is supah tiny.
16:09.24PoeticIntensitycool.
16:09.41PoeticIntensityyup, I dig.
16:09.47PoeticIntensitywaaay to expensive, though.
16:09.52PoeticIntensityto = too
16:09.59beandogyah
16:10.05beandogthe pay off though is no moving parts, so completely silent.
16:10.12PoeticIntensityyup.
16:10.24PoeticIntensityand for me, I can deal with low noise.
16:10.31PoeticIntensitylooks like this is the epitome of "silent"
16:10.42beandogit's epitomitous.
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16:15.45oldsI need to beef up my mythfrontend box
16:15.58oldsit struggles with HD content
16:19.02beandogtry xvmc?
16:19.38beandogreally?
16:19.40beandogmine finally does okay now
16:19.44beandogI have no idea what I changed.
16:19.55PoeticIntensitya single core 3000+ just doesn't cut it.
16:19.59beandogoh, yah
16:20.04beandogthat probably wouldn't work
16:20.09PoeticIntensitynope.
16:20.11oldsmine uses xvmc
16:20.18PoeticIntensitymy CPU pegs.... (mine uses xvmc too)
16:20.28oldsbut taht frontend is also the backend
16:20.35PoeticIntensity(mine too)
16:20.49oldsI already separated the mysql server onto another box
16:20.52PoeticIntensityI've been threatening to upgrade that server for years.
16:20.59oldsjust need to move the backend to yet another box
16:21.13PoeticIntensityheh.... mine is my myth server, web server, file server, email server...
16:21.24PoeticIntensityI love Linux.
16:21.34oldsIt's a love/hate for me
16:23.16PoeticIntensityheh.... All I have to do is think of the alternative...
16:23.25PoeticIntensitybrings me back to reality *real* quick.
16:26.09oldshehe
16:26.16oldsOSX has grown on me
16:28.54jsmitholds: It's grown on me as well... grown old!
16:29.16oldsoh snap!
16:36.25PoeticIntensityhttp://www.metacafe.com/watch/1169410/guitar_hero_rock_out/
16:36.29PoeticIntensityROFL
16:37.55wpsoh my
16:38.41timinatoranyone have a decent set of web icons that I could have a copy of??
16:39.08timinatorI've got several sets of mini icons
16:39.43timinatorbut I've wasted about 2 hours this morning looking for a 16x16 skeleton key
16:39.47timinatordriving me crazy
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16:44.07timinatorplease don't make me draw one up
16:44.59timinatormmmm ....lunch
16:45.39PoeticIntensitytiminator, http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:hNykgl3DQlg-xM:http://www.willowsmallorca.com/wp-content/uploads/key_icon.thumbnail.png
16:45.43PoeticIntensityack... sorry.
16:45.43PoeticIntensityhold on
16:45.52PoeticIntensityhttp://www.willowsmallorca.com/wp-content/uploads/key_icon.thumbnail.png
16:46.26timinatorthank you
16:46.34PoeticIntensitysomething akin to what you were thinking?
16:46.47timinatornot really  :)
16:46.53timinatorbut I appreciate ya
16:46.55timinatorLOL
16:47.01PoeticIntensityhttp://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_31/1132700745S6W0aw.jpg
16:47.35timinatorhttps://my.konecnybros.com/
16:47.44timinatorcheck the top right corner
16:47.50timinatorused Wingdings for that
16:48.02PoeticIntensityok...
16:48.07PoeticIntensitythat's what you wanna replace?
16:48.08timinatorbut for some reason, my current copy of Wingdings doesn't have it anymore
16:48.11timinatoryes
16:48.14PoeticIntensityk
16:48.35oldsI don't think I've ever encountered anyone using Windings on purpose
16:48.35timinatoror something similar
16:48.41timinatorLOL
16:48.48oldss/Windings/Wingdings
16:49.01timinatorwas handy a decade ago
16:49.06timinatorwhen everything was 2D
16:49.08timinatorLOL
16:49.37PoeticIntensityhttp://www.trinfinitysoftware.com/graphics/screenshots/goldenkey/osx/goldenkey_sc_01.jpg
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16:49.46PoeticIntensitythat could be morphed into something similar
16:50.08timinatorthank you
16:50.50timinatorlol
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16:51.52tierrathere's two icon sets I almost always fall back on... http://tango.freedesktop.org/ , and http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/
16:52.31tierraas long as attribution is somewhere, they can be used just about anywhere
16:52.38timinatorho-ly-crap
16:52.50timinatorthank you
16:53.36tierrathat silk set has a nice "key" icon
16:53.44oldsfamfam is awesome
16:55.03tierrathe silk has every icon I've ever needed, but it's only useful if you need 16x16 icons... the tango project fills in for when I need larger icons
16:57.00oldsyea
16:57.02oldsagreed
16:57.13oldsfamfamfam has some 32x32
16:57.14oldsI thought
16:57.35oldsI'm wrong
17:02.27PoeticIntensityhttp://poeticintensity.com/gold_key.png
17:02.35PoeticIntensityneeds loads of touch-ups, but hey.... it's slow today. :)
17:02.40PoeticIntensityand I'm developer, not a designer.
17:02.54jsmithPoeticIntensity: That's a whole lot bigger than 16x16
17:03.02PoeticIntensityyup.
17:03.08timinatorno doubt
17:03.11timinatorthanks man
17:03.20PoeticIntensityand if ya shrink it down, you'll never notice the kludge.
17:03.33timinatorya, it'll be way smaller than that
17:03.40timinatorso we're good
17:03.42timinatorthanks guys
17:03.52PoeticIntensityhuzzah!
17:05.47timinatorLOL
17:05.49PoeticIntensityheh.... I just tried it.
17:05.58PoeticIntensityit still resembles a key.....
17:05.59PoeticIntensitysomewhat...
17:06.02PoeticIntensitysort of.
17:06.06timinator16x16 sucks
17:06.12PoeticIntensitywith an insane amount of imagination.
17:06.13timinatoron anything
17:06.17timinatorLOL
17:15.27orsonjPI needs to use the right tools for the job. I did this skelaton key in like a minute and it actually resembles one at that size. http://tetratech.info/orson/key.png
17:15.35tierrahttp://www.firewheeldesign.com/sparkplug/2006/April/icon_design_bitmap_vs_vector.php <- a really good article explaining the challenges of creating small icons
17:16.13orsonjbut yeah, small icons == practice and a nice bitmap editor
17:17.02timinatorvector++
17:17.14PoeticIntensityorsonj, no doubt.
17:17.32orsonjnor am I. but I like to play with graphics.
17:17.42tierrathat's the point though, vector doesn't work for < 32x32
17:19.02mindjujuZoinks!
17:19.03PoeticIntensitybrauts boiled in beer, baby....
17:19.12PoeticIntensityoh, man...
17:19.15PoeticIntensityWHY did you mention that!?
17:19.16jsmithBrauts without kraut?  Isn't that... blasphemy?
17:19.19PoeticIntensitynow i want one.
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17:19.30timinatormmmmmm brauts
17:19.30mindjujubrauts MUST have saur
17:19.44oldshaha
17:19.49mindjujuthat'd be like a Rueben without saur
17:19.58mindjujumust have saur!
17:20.16PoeticIntensitymy mom made me eat Kraut as a youngster....
17:20.23mindjujuoh
17:20.27PoeticIntensitythe stuff made me wanna heave just lookin' smellin' it.
17:20.45PoeticIntensityin fact....
17:21.17PoeticIntensityI've never even heard of kraut being used on brauts .
17:21.47PoeticIntensitymy bro buys the white brauts and a big ol' bottle of beer...
17:21.52PoeticIntensitythen boils them in it....
17:21.58PoeticIntensitythen roasts em' over an open fire...
17:22.03PoeticIntensityI tell you what....
17:22.06PoeticIntensityI can eat 10 of em'.
17:22.11PoeticIntensityplain-jane.
17:22.28beandog_okay
17:22.40beandogwhose got a sexy .vimrc?
17:22.54mindjujubrauts are way good
17:22.58jsmithbeandog: You wouldn't want mine
17:23.03mindjujui do nearly the same PoeticIntensity
17:23.18PoeticIntensitybut it's gotta be the right kind of brauts...
17:23.24beandogjsmith, no?
17:23.26PoeticIntensitythere's just one store that sells em'...
17:23.26mindjujuyeah, tis true
17:23.35oldsI gota sexy vimrc laying around
17:23.40PoeticIntensity(I've never searched for em' myself)...
17:23.52PoeticIntensityanyway....
17:23.58PoeticIntensityyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmy!
17:24.20oldshmmm
17:24.21oldswhere is it
17:24.34jsmithbeandog: It's full of whacky stuff for DocBook
17:24.47beandogooh, docbook++
17:26.25oldshttp://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/vim/appendixa.html.en#JESSE-PHPRC
17:26.30oldsI think that's the one I used
17:26.36SunSparcI use Has Fugal's vimrc ->  http://hans.fugal.net/vim/colors/desert.html
17:26.44beandogI just learned about :sh today
17:26.46mindjujuAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
17:26.54orsonjmy .vimrc only has "syntax on"
17:27.02jsmithmindjuju: Yes?
17:27.13beandogmindjuju just passed a kidney stone
17:27.27jsmithmindjuju: w00t
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18:03.31brasto~give mindjuju a mac
18:03.31jbotACTION gives a mac to mindjuju
18:04.34mindjujua mac, for me?
18:04.40mindjujuany partiuclar reason?
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18:21.14brastoto fix all your problems, mindjuju
18:21.25brastodoesn't a mac resolve everything?
18:21.38brastothe commercials indicate it does...
18:21.45wpseating sausage and biting into a piece of bone just about kills all appetite in one swoop
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18:22.13beandogany gpg gurus?
18:22.18beandogI cant makes me a key.:C
18:22.33brasto~give wps a braught to bring his appetite back
18:22.34jbotACTION gives a braught to bring his appetite back to wps
18:23.00fungusbrasto: gpg --gen-key
18:23.09beandogfungus, yah, is dying.
18:23.14brasto?
18:23.25beandogcan't connect to `/home/kittycat/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directory
18:23.29funguswhoops bad nick completion
18:23.34brastolol
18:23.41SunSparcTechnically, the spelling is "brat" as in "bratwurst".
18:24.00brastoah, true, SunSparc
18:24.17SunSparcAnd the best bratwurst that I have found in Utah is at Siegfried's Deli in SLC.
18:24.32beandogfungus, http://rafb.net/p/QflNHe39.html full errors
18:24.45SunSparcMmmm, and their saurkraut is heavenly.
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18:25.37fungusbeandog: unset your GPG_AGENT_INFO env variable
18:25.37brastoherlo, i want to make it so that when a user creates a new file in a directory he does not own, but he belongs to the group and can create files in it, that new file is group writable.  Would this do it:  chmod 4775 <foldername> ?
18:25.37beandogfungus, nothing set
18:25.44oldsSiegfried's is delicious
18:25.45fungusreally?  weird
18:25.50oldsand they have that german beer on tap
18:25.52oldsit's awesome
18:26.20SunSparcolds: Agreed!  It is like stepping through a portal and finding yourself in Germany.
18:26.26oldsyea
18:26.32oldsreasonably priced too
18:27.01SunSparcYeah, quite decent.  Although some of their imports are a bit pricey, but still worth it.
18:27.08oldsyea
18:27.25SunSparcI used to each lunch there when I worked down town.  Now I miss it.... *sigh*
18:28.55oldsyea, I'mma have to hit that up soon
18:35.31brastoanyone can answer my question to herlo if it makes sense
18:35.52brastoI'll reword for clarification since that's an ugly sentence...
18:37.29brastoIf I belong to a group assigned to a directory, but not the user assigned to the directory, and the directory has chmod 4775, and I create a file in that directory, will the file have group write permissions.
18:37.32mindjujubut only one Thursdays after 9a
18:38.44brastos/4775/2775
18:38.52brastodoh!
18:39.00brastos/4775/2775/
18:39.29brastos/ 4775,/ 2775,/
18:39.37brasto~dumb bot
18:39.38jbotstupid human
18:40.04SunSparclol
18:41.34brasto~darn bot
18:41.45brasto~annoy bot
18:41.46jbotACTION dances around bot, poking whenever possible, tickling or doing whatever necessary to annoy bot to the maximum amount
18:42.42beandogI just totally forgot the passphrase I forgot.
18:42.43brasto~annoy bot is pffffft... annoy yersef, human
18:42.44jbotACTION dances around bot is pffffft... annoy yersef, human, poking whenever possible, tickling or doing whatever necessary to annoy bot is pffffft... annoy yersef, human to the maximum amount
18:43.04brastolol
18:47.13SunSparcbeandog: you forgot the passphrase that you just forgot?  Good job!?  (I think?)
18:47.24beandoger
18:47.24beandogyah.
18:47.51SunSparc:)
18:48.50SunSparcPoeticIntensity: Which store is it that sells the brats you like?
18:49.04PoeticIntensityDicks.
18:49.17PoeticIntensityIn North Salt Lake
18:49.22PoeticIntensitywhich is why I never buy em'... :)
18:49.28PoeticIntensitymy bro lives around there.
18:49.36SunSparcYeah, a bit out of my way.
18:49.39PoeticIntensityI haven't looked around south...
18:49.46PoeticIntensityI'm sure they're sold here, though.
18:49.49SunSparcYou know what brand they are?
18:49.53PoeticIntensityno idea.
18:50.16SunSparcGuess I will have to stick with CostCo brats
18:50.39SunSparcCostCo sells good stuff.  I think they have a taste committee that tries all their food and only sells what they like.
18:51.09PoeticIntensityyeah
18:51.20PoeticIntensityare the brats white when you buy em'?
18:51.28PoeticIntensitylike an off-white color?
18:51.39PoeticIntensity'cause there are red ones, and white ones.
18:51.46PoeticIntensitythe white ones are rare, but *much* better than the red ones.
18:52.01SunSparcI have only seen the white.
18:52.06PoeticIntensityI see...
18:52.12PoeticIntensitywell... you're probably gettin' the good stuff, then.
18:52.16SunSparc:)
18:52.21PoeticIntensity(Costco usually does sell good stuff)
18:52.28SunSparc~CostCo++
18:52.34SunSparc~karma CostCo
18:52.34jbotcostco has karma of 2
19:04.58brasto~costco++
19:05.05brasto~karma costco
19:05.05jbotcostco has karma of 3
19:05.11brastohmmm
19:05.16brasto~karma walmart
19:05.16jbotwalmart has neutral karma
19:05.23brastolol
19:05.28brasto~karma brasto
19:05.28jbotbrasto has neutral karma
19:05.39brastobrasto++
19:05.44brasto~karma brasto
19:05.44jbotbrasto has neutral karma
19:05.56brasto~brasto++
19:06.14brastohmmm, can't karma myself...
19:06.25brasto~walmart++
19:06.38brasto~karma walmart
19:06.38jbotwalmart has karma of 1
19:07.01oldswhile(true){ ~walmart-- }
19:07.53brasto~karma vim
19:07.53jbotvim has karma of 6
19:08.04brasto~vim++
19:08.05olds~walmart--
19:08.11olds!karma walmart
19:08.16olds~karma walmart
19:08.16jbotwalmart has neutral karma
19:08.21brastolol
19:09.22mindjuju@ beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_vvQ4uq_o
19:09.55mindjujubeetlejuice the cartoon rox!
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19:12.34timinator~walmart--
19:12.47timinator~thebigdog++
19:12.53timinator~karma walmart
19:12.53jbotwalmart has karma of -1
19:12.57mindjuju~toysrus++
19:13.00timinator~karma thebigdog
19:13.00jbotthebigdog has karma of 1
19:13.14timinator~macdocs++
19:13.18mindjuju~toysrus
19:13.34timinator~mindjuju++
19:13.42mindjuju:) !  thx!
19:13.47mindjuju~timinator+++
19:13.54mindjuju~timinator
19:13.55jbothmm... timinator is the person formally known as timothy_, or owns his own business, or likes to wear a stetson and chaps with nothing else on!.  Mr. Smarty Pants, or who doesn't use Smarty
19:14.14mindjujuquite revealing!
19:14.15timinatorLOL
19:14.16timinatoryes
19:14.23timinatora bit too revealing
19:14.57mindjuju~karma timinator
19:14.57jbottiminator has neutral karma
19:15.06mindjuju~timinator++
19:15.11mindjuju~karma timinator
19:15.11jbottiminator has karma of 1
19:15.15timinatorwoohoo
19:15.18mindjuju~karma mindjuju
19:15.18jbotmindjuju has karma of 1
19:18.12SunSparc~mindjuju++
19:19.45mindjuju~sunsparc++
19:19.58SunSparcmindjuju: Thanks!!   :)
19:20.04SunSparc~karma SunSparc
19:20.04jbotsunsparc has karma of 4
19:20.07SunSparcSweet!
19:23.30SunSparc~timinator++
19:25.53timinator:)
19:26.02timinatorTY SunSparc
19:26.15SunSparcYou are very welcome.  :)
19:26.22timinator~SunSparc++
19:26.26SunSparcWoot!
19:26.31SunSparcWhat goes around...
19:26.37SunSparcGuess that is why they call it Karma.
19:27.20timinatorlol
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20:04.58brasto~sunsparc++
20:05.08brasto~timinator++
20:05.16SunSparcThanks brasto
20:05.17brasto~mindjuju++
20:05.26SunSparc~brasto++
20:05.28SunSparcBack at ya
20:05.28beandog~uphpu
20:05.28jbotit has been said that uphpu is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org  Blootbot's favorite channel.
20:05.35brasto~uphpu++
20:05.44brastosweet, got my first karma point
20:05.54brasto~karma uphpu
20:05.54jbotuphpu has karma of 4
20:06.06beandog~kittycat++
20:06.07SunSparcCongrats!
20:06.11brasto~uphpu++
20:06.18brasto~karma uphpu
20:06.18jbotuphpu has karma of 5
20:06.39brastohmmm... you can vote more than once...
20:07.14brastoanyone find it annoying when people use a font that makes rn look exactly like m?
20:07.42SunSparcyes
20:08.22brastobrb, i actually have to reboot a mac...
20:08.39SunSparcWierd
20:10.48beandog~uptime
20:11.17mindjuju~poo beandog
20:11.18jbotACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at beandog
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20:22.20SunSparc~stats
20:22.20jbotSince Sat Apr 19 18:19:29 2008, there have been 27 modifications, 289 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 220 commands.  I have been awake for 3d 2h 2m 51s this session, and currently reference 114651 factoids.  I'm using about 19460 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5471.68/292.74 child 0/0
20:29.50xilch|wbrasto: I actually like that font problem for some words.  Like burn.
20:30.24brastolol
20:30.36brastoand churn
20:30.43brastoand corn
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20:31.40xilch|wWe should probably petition for the .corn top level domain.
20:32.00brasto2 methods for making passwords: use a tongue twister, and use similar looking letters & numbers.
20:32.35brastopppapoppipppapopptwtpopptppp
20:32.55brastothat's for peterpiperpickedapeckofpickledpeppers...
20:33.41brasto4olarn4N|)3ve
20:33.51brastothat's AdamANDEve
20:34.20beandognow_playing[James Horner - Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan - Main Title] length[0:24/3:10]
20:34.22mindjujunah, mathematical equations are better
20:34.37mindjujuNR*fpneflfifcL
20:35.04SunSparcI just like throwing a tennis ball at my keyboard until I have at least 16 characters.
20:35.05mindjujuit helps you memorize equations and provides security
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20:35.13xilch|wI prefer to use words like: password, or god
20:35.20SunSparclol
20:35.25dataw0lfI'm a big fan of "secret"
20:35.26SunSparcHey!  I was using those!
20:35.28dataw0lfand "root123"
20:35.35SunSparcDang, I gotta change my passwords now.
20:36.08mindjujufor those wondering that equation up above is Drake's Equation
20:36.27DexterTheDragon~nerd mindjuju
20:36.41mindjuju:)
20:36.48xilch|wcats > tennis balls on keyboards
20:37.12dataw0lfmeh, Drake's Equation.
20:37.16SunSparcxilch|w: Good call
20:37.20dataw0lftoo many implicit values.
20:37.49mindjujumakes for a good password though
20:38.09oldssup dataw0lf
20:38.17dataw0lfsup olds
20:38.21oldshow's reno
20:38.40mindjujuolds gave awesome presentation on memcache
20:38.42dataw0lfbeen pretty busy
20:38.53dataw0lfolds is a smart guy
20:39.25dataw0lfyup, smart guy
20:39.49dataw0lfyou'd deposit 20 dollars?
20:40.03mindjujusure, why not?
20:40.29dataw0lfalways need tip money for the bar.
20:41.27oldsyea
20:41.53dataw0lfif I have less than 100 dollars I generally won't deposit
20:42.43oldssame
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20:43.22mindjujueverything changed for me after marriage
20:43.38dataw0lfthat's why I'm getting a prenup
20:43.49dataw0lfand separate bank accounts
20:44.04mindjujuhow are the wedding plans?
20:44.13dataw0lfcancelled, actually
20:44.32mindjujuoh, sorry to hear that
20:45.04dataw0lflong story, basically I beat up one of her friends at a concert for a good reason and got the blowback.
20:46.12mindjujusometimes a punch is needed to *help* a person get back on track
20:46.22dataw0lfI'm better solo considering aspects of my personality and intellect, so I think I'll just continue to play the field and maybe donate some sperm to a lesbian couple or something.
20:46.37olds;)
20:46.40dataw0lfhey, how was I supposed to know the guy was gay?!
20:46.50dataw0lfI came back with drinks and there's this big guy feeling her butt
20:46.57dataw0lfso I handled the situation
20:47.04dataw0lfwell, turned out he's an old homosexual friend visiting
20:47.13dataw0lflike that gives him an excuse to touch her like that
20:47.16dataw0lfwhatevs
20:47.53oldsyou're coming out to slc in a few weeks?
20:48.04dataw0lfyea, beginning of May
20:48.12oldswhat days(s)
20:48.15oldserf
20:48.17oldsday(s)
20:49.07dataw0lfjovon defrauded my bank and cancelled my atm card so I haven't bought the ticket yet, but should be May 2th - 4th.
20:49.11dataw0lf2nd*
20:49.23oldshmph
20:49.34dataw0lfyou going to be around?
20:49.37oldsmight be able to meet up on the 2nd
20:49.44oldsI leave for a trip on the 4th
20:51.09oldswhat bars you planning on visitig?
20:52.33dataw0lfdon't know
20:52.39dataw0lfharm's birthday that weekend
20:53.55oldsI've heard good things about the republican
20:54.36oldsnever been there htough
20:55.09dataw0lfI've been there, it's... meh.
20:55.29oldsX wives is close enough for me to walk
20:55.32dataw0lfthe pickings are fairly slim in SLC for good bars though, and I think Harm is a fan, so we may end up there.
20:55.41dataw0lfnever been to X wives
20:55.46dataw0lfalways wanted to go
20:55.47oldsit's not bad
20:58.59dataw0lfdive bar-ish?
20:59.03oldsvery
20:59.15dataw0lfmy type of place
20:59.24oldsCheers to you on ~3rd and main is also a good little place
20:59.33dataw0lfhm, never heard of it
20:59.40oldshas some pool tables and what not
20:59.56dataw0lfah word I think I have been there with bob and synic, maybe
21:02.33timinator_BRB
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21:06.30dataw0lfolds: been using a lot of Ruby lately.
21:09.43oldsrly?
21:09.53oldsdo you like it?
21:11.17dataw0lfI _really_ like RSpec.  I always thought Ruby was decent, I just hated (and still do for the most part) Rails.  
21:11.29dataw0lfBut Ruby + merb + RSpec is fantastic stuff.
21:11.51dataw0lfI'm actually contributing to a project that emulates RSpec to a certain degree in Python
21:12.51oldsinteresting
21:12.52dataw0lfworking on a proper mock/stub framework right now in my offtime.
21:13.24dataw0lfI'm in love with the BDD unit testing model, even though the differences are fairly subtle.
21:13.57dataw0lfRSpec is helped by Ruby's loose rules with syntax so it ends up looking and feeling like an intuitive pseudo-DSL
21:14.02dataw0lflemme show you a screenshot of some code
21:17.05oldsI want to find a little project idea
21:17.15oldsand do it ruby, django, and cakephp
21:17.39oldsjust to learn them all a little better
21:20.37dataw0lfhttp://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4065/ss2mu0.png
21:20.43cycokilrhey dataw0lf, we went to the twilight lounge..
21:21.34dataw0lfohh
21:21.36dataw0lfnevermind then
21:21.38oldsyea my brother hangs at the twilight lounge
21:21.49oldslady at the end of my street owns the twilight lounge
21:22.00cycokilrgood place.. haven't been for a couple years.. but it was a fun place..
21:22.04dataw0lfI don't really remember it, I think by the time we went over there we were all pretty toasty
21:22.09cycokilryes
21:22.19cycokilrand all into your new mp3 player you wouldn't shut up about..
21:22.34oldsinteresting syntax
21:22.46dataw0lfyou're a master of karate, and friendship, for everyone!
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21:35.02oldsseems like once you got the hang of that rspec it's pretty powerful
21:37.59dataw0lfyea, it's extremely powerful.
21:38.06dataw0lfAnd well-suited to ping pong development.
21:38.14oldsyea
21:38.17oldsI can see that
21:42.21_psychic_dataw0lf: what do you like about BDD unit testing
21:46.58dataw0lf_psychic_: it is extremely helpful in collaboration between engineers and it's more intuitive than traditional unit testing
21:48.38_psychic_I'll have to read up on BDD.
21:48.48_psychic_What's the main difference from the traditional approach?
21:53.07oldshttp://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/04/16.html
21:58.31Utah_Dav1Argh! the pain
21:58.44Utah_Dav1~lart Government Procurement
21:58.44jbotsqueezes Government Procurement till Government Procurement turns blue like papa smurf
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22:00.49olds~lart ~lart
22:00.49jbotputs on some milking gloves. "All right, now, ~lart, this won't hurt a bit...."
22:03.37_psychic_anyone going to this? --> http://utcodecamp.com/
22:04.32beandogneumon, eek
22:04.33beandog~run
22:04.34jbotACTION runs around in circles screaming "My pants are blue!!!"
22:04.39beandoglol
22:05.37beandogthat's great
22:10.12_psychic_beandog: ?
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22:10.41beandog_psychic_, neumon uni, where its all about the MS
22:10.44beandoggeez
22:10.45beandog~type
22:10.45jbot⌨
22:10.47beandogneumonT
22:11.20_psychic_ah
22:11.29_psychic_about half the presentations are MS flavored
22:14.45mindjujuthere is 1 in there that is about cake
22:15.55_psychic_that's how I found out about it
22:15.57_psychic_:)
22:16.32beandogoh ok
22:38.02SunSparcNight all
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23:23.20timinatorI'm out... later guys
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