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00:58.40mindjujudarn, meant to ask Fungus a question
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15:28.23Utah_Dave~seen mindjuju
15:28.27jbotmindjuju <n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 12h 29m 16s ago, saying: '~rlart'.
15:28.52Utah_Davewps: did that client ever send you their hosting login info?
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16:39.13wpsUtah_Dave: client? hosting? you'll have to job my memory
16:39.25Utah_DaveGranite Peaks
16:39.37wpsjog
16:39.45wpsah
16:39.55wpsI am waiting on their requirements doc
16:41.50Utah_DaveOK, I talked to the head doc a few weeks ago and he said he thought your bid was reasonable and wanted to move forward
16:42.01wpsyes, he accepted the quote
16:42.10wpsand has been working on a req doc
16:42.18Utah_Daveok, cool
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16:54.48wps~Midorikawa
16:55.27Midorikawahi wps
16:55.33wpsgreetings
16:55.35wpshappy wednesday
16:55.40Midorikawathanks
16:55.42Midorikawayou too.
17:01.06*** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> Meeting Tomorrow @ 7p High Availability using memcache presented by Jeff Sherlock (olds) | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
17:35.03brastothe project drawer in textmate annoyingly moved to the right side.  how do i get it back on the left side?  anyone know?
17:35.33SunSparcmove your app close to that side of the screen, close and reopen the drawer.
17:35.39SunSparc:)
17:35.40wpsdrag the window to the right side of the screen so that the drawer is half off the screen
17:35.45SunSparcThere may be a way to fix it.
17:35.53wpsclose the drawer and then reopen it
17:35.57wpsit'll come back on the other side
17:36.15wpsoops… SunSparc beat me
17:36.23wpsit's not a bug
17:36.25wpsthat's working as designed
17:36.39SunSparc:)  There is an echo in here.
17:36.47SunSparcYep, other apps do the same.
17:37.21SunSparcWhen I said "fix it", I meant "fix the drawer in one location" via preferences.
17:48.27brastoSunSparc: when i drag it to the right, and close textmate and reopen it, it keeps coming up back on the left side of the screen.  I'll try just opening and closing the drawer, but that won't help when next time i open the app i have to keep doing this over again.
17:49.21SunSparcI should remember for you.
17:50.05SunSparcI don't use textmate so I cannot look at the preferences for you.  Some apps just have that as default behavior that you cannot change.
17:50.18SunSparcBut usually they remember which side the drawer was one.
17:50.24SunSparcs/one/on/
17:50.31beandogmm
17:50.32beandogdonuts
17:50.43brastoyeah, it's always been on the left side 'till now
17:50.58brastomaybe it came up on the right because I have 2 projects open...
17:51.02beandogI wonder how much a DD franchise would cost.
17:51.30brasto~give beandog the cost of a Duncan Doughnuts franchise.
17:51.31jbotACTION gives the cost of a Duncan Doughnuts franchise. to beandog
17:51.38brastothere you go beandog
17:51.47SunSparcbrasto: the theory is that it takes the path of least resistance, as long as the other side of the app is not more constrictive it will move.  So it depends on your screen area also.
17:53.15brastoi have a large screen area, and i want it to open on the right side of the screen so the drawer shows up on the left, but i'm not sure it'll open on the side of the screen i want it to since it doesn't seem to remember where it was last closed from.
17:56.29wpswish me luck!
17:57.30oldsit's not that bad wps
17:59.28beandog~deekin
18:00.44wpsyeah… just always nervous the first time you do it
18:04.17brastojbot, give wps some luck
18:04.17jbotACTION gives some luck to wps
18:07.49wpswhat is the general/recommended practice with branches once you are done with them?
18:07.53wpsleave them around or delete them?
18:10.39oldsleave them around for a few weeks
18:10.53oldsuntil you're sure you don't need them
18:15.11brastonever delete anything so your hard drive fills up and you have to get another.
18:15.13brastojk
18:21.17oldsmmmm yummy hard drive space
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18:30.34josephscottping herlo
18:53.43thebigdogwps branches should be merged back in
18:54.07thebigdogis kinda the standard
18:55.19thebigdogbasically you want to branch your code when you are adding something new that could mess up development on head
18:55.22thebigdogor trunk
18:56.21thebigdogin web development i usually branch code for custom client work...however, i will bring it back into the trunk at some future point
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19:25.33wpsright… I'm taking about after it's merged back in
19:33.22thebigdogi usually remove access to the branch at that point
19:33.28thebigdogi dont delete it
19:36.23wpswhat the crap?
19:36.48wpsI just had merge conflict on a file that only had white space changes
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19:57.15jsmith-awaypassword
19:57.21fungus[sudo] password for wps:
19:57.50beandogiheartfungus
20:00.24wpsis this correct regex to say that "www" is optional?
20:00.25wps?w{3}
20:00.53SunSparcw{3}?
20:01.20wpsthe number is curlies matches the preceeding character that many times
20:01.38SunSparcYes, that is the min, you can also specify max
20:02.47SunSparcIn fact, you may not even need the ?
20:03.20beandogyah you do
20:03.34wpsdoes that syntax work though?
20:03.34beandogw{3} means www
20:03.44wpsmatch this three times and then make it all optional?
20:03.45beandogw{3}? means www or nothing
20:04.09unumw{3}?\.
20:04.10beandogof course, youd need to check for the following .
20:04.10wpsah
20:04.14unumis what I would thingk you want
20:04.17beandogw{3}\.?
20:04.18beandoger
20:04.20wpsyes
20:04.23beandog(w{3}\.)?
20:04.28unumah yes
20:04.28wpsthat's right… the question mark goes after
20:04.28wpsthanks
20:04.48unumyou need the parenthesis to group it all together
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20:49.21undertakingyouCan anyone recommend a good PDF library to use with PHP?
20:55.34mgearyundertakingyou: what do you want to do?
20:56.25undertakingyouBasically generate a pdf report.  The content would mostly be coming from a mysql database.
20:56.59mgearyhow complex is the report?
20:57.31mgearyone easy way, though you can't use a lot of CSS, is htmldoc. It's a html->pdf renderer that can work very well
20:57.58mgearyif you run Mac servers (w00t), you can do much more using their built-in CoreGraphics routines to get CSS-enabled HTML->pdf
20:58.20undertakingyouSorry, no mac servers.
20:58.37mgearyif you need to *create* the pdf from scratch via algorithm, you can use things like PDFlib, but i have generally frowned on that as 1) ugly and 2) labor-intensive. YMMV
20:58.46jsmithDocBook -> FOP -> PDF ;-)
20:59.00undertakingyouThere are two hard things.  1, I don't have control of the server to actually 'install anything' and it is for commercial use but I still want it to be free.
20:59.06jsmithmgeary: Or, if you're willing to do Python instead of PHP, use ReportLab
20:59.06mgearywe've also done things like modifying existing PDFs, splicing in variable data, but that's probably not applicable for report-type of needs
20:59.39undertakingyouyeah, this would be mostly a complete creation.
20:59.40mgearyundertakingyou: OR, you can get familiar with the PDF spec and roll your own. I've done that
20:59.48mgearybut it takes some doing
21:00.07undertakingyouhow familiar.  I would like to finish up this little project in the next little while.
21:00.23mgearydepends on how complex your needs are.
21:00.32mgearydo you need graphics?
21:00.47mgearydo you need fonts beyond the 14 that are built-in?
21:01.22undertakingyouyes to graphics, I have a graphic seperator between database entries.  Fonts I am flexable with.
21:01.46mgearygraphics become more complex if you roll your own, since you have to wrap the binary graphic data in a wrapper
21:02.24mgearyrealistically speaking, doing it via pdf spec is probably not a cost-effective solution. I did it way back when y'all were wearing diapers and there weren't a lot of polished packages out there
21:03.28mgearyhtmldoc is probably the easiest, since you're already familiar with the layout process of html
21:03.30beandogmgeary, how old do you think we are, anyway
21:03.38mgearybeandog: kids, every one. ;)
21:03.45beandogheh
21:04.03undertakingyoumgeary: there is a good chance that you are correct :)
21:04.08mgearyfor the record, it was actually only back in '98, so i suppose some of you may have even been talking by then
21:04.23beandogback?
21:04.31beandogmgeary, how old are you, anyway
21:04.39undertakingyouoh, 98'  crap man, I thought you ment 89'
21:04.56mgearyheh. i graduated from high school in 89
21:05.05mgearyhttp://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/
21:05.17undertakingyoumgeary: You aren't that old.  
21:05.25mgearyi know, just ribbing ya
21:05.28thebigdogmgeary, you are old brother
21:05.31mgearybut jsmith-busy is right, there are some decent python solutions out there as well
21:05.34thebigdoger...cousin
21:05.47mgearythebigdog: 2nd cousin 3rd removed, wasn't it? ;)
21:05.49beandogmgeary, oh, alright.  youre only 5 years ahead of me then
21:05.58thebigdogmgeary, yeah something like that
21:06.12mgeary"we's kin!"
21:06.19thebigdogso how many in here work for macnewbold ?
21:07.00beandogin soviet russia, macnewbold works for YOU
21:07.08thebigdoghah
21:07.17thebigdogisnt there like 5 of you guys
21:07.25undertakingyouI echo beandog.
21:07.30thebigdogseems like a requirement for the channel
21:08.01undertakingyoulol, sometimes it does
21:08.24DexterTheDragoncurrently I'm the only one in here that works for macnewbold
21:09.17mgearyyeah, the rest of them just play Nintendo all day
21:10.17thebigdogno doubt
21:10.27beandogIve taken up cribbage this week
21:10.31thebigdogDexterTheDragon, do you work there now?
21:10.38DexterTheDragonyep
21:10.45thebigdognice
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21:11.05thebigdogi will work for macnewbold when he gives me back rubs everyday
21:11.07thebigdoghehe
21:11.24beandogoy
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21:38.18wpson Windows:
21:38.25wpsright click on file, select "delete"
21:38.45wpsdialogue appears: are you sure you want to send this file to the recycling bin?
21:39.03wpstwo options: yes or no
21:39.11wpsuh… how do I delete the file?
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21:42.41undertakingyouwps: highlight file hold down shift and hit delete.  That will do a perminant delete.
21:43.33wpsthat's good to know… I was just making fun of the lack of consistency in the UI
21:43.55wpson a Mac, you right click and select move to trash
21:44.03wpstrash -> to trash
21:44.05wpsopposed to
21:44.10wpsdelete -> to recycle bin
21:44.14beandogmm, shift+delete
21:44.18beandogkeyboard shortcuts++\
21:44.32wpsI agree about shortcuts
21:44.46wpsI use command + delete all day on Mac OS
21:57.01Utah_Davewps: hold down the Shift key and select 'delete'
21:57.17wpsI don't actually use Windows
21:57.18Utah_Daveoops,
21:58.02beandoglies
21:58.12beandogwps is a closet billy fan
21:58.17wpsoh yeah
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21:59.42wpsthis code that initiates a download does not work in IE
21:59.42wpshttp://rafb.net/p/MPxtQ226.html
21:59.45wpscan anyone see why?
22:00.06wpsor have any ideas on how to make it work in IE?
22:03.10SunSparcWorks in FF?
22:03.14wpsyeah
22:04.28SunSparcDo you get an error in IE or what?  How far does it get?
22:04.50wpsin IE 6 I get a file not found error
22:05.02wpsin IE 7 it never initiates the download dialogue
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22:08.00SunSparcHmm, you got me.
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22:48.03macnewboldsome people interview with us anyway ;)
22:48.17macnewboldare you still up in Logan, orsonj?
22:49.54orsonjyep
22:50.24macnewboldwould you be planning to move down, or commute?
22:50.43macnewbold(we've got a guy who comes down from Ogden, and I thought he was kinda crazy, but he hasn't found the right condo down here yet)
22:51.09orsonjI might be convinced to move at the end of the summer, but I'm not doing anything till after the baby comes.
22:51.40thebigdogin april the trains will be running
22:51.48orsonjhow far up do they go?
22:52.12orsonjI'd rather read a book than drive any day.
22:52.39oldsI'm envious of anyone working at macnewbold's company :)
22:52.43macnewboldI heard the trains were eventually going to get to Brigham city, but I'm not sure they're already they're yet
22:53.00macnewboldolds, sucking up won't necessarily get you an offer ;-)
22:53.06macnewboldbut thanks
22:53.08oldslol
22:53.23DexterTheDragoncurrently the train only goes to ogden
22:53.24oldsjust being honest
22:53.28macnewboldorsonj: I drive and read, with audiobooks on my ipod
22:53.39macnewboldreading on the page is often better though
22:53.47DexterTheDragonbut they do plan on extending it to brigham city eventually
22:53.56orsonjtrue, wider selection with paper though.
22:54.10macnewboldorsonj: if you'd be open to a roommate, you and DexterTheDragon might talk ;)
22:54.29macnewboldbut if you've got a baby coming, that might be awkward
22:54.36orsonjI don't think my wife would be up for that.
22:55.20macnewboldyeah, it's a little odd. I had some friends from high school where one lived with the other and his wife. it was kinda strange, especially when friend 1 went off to work, and friend 2 was unemployed, and friend 1's wife was a stay at home mom
22:56.41macnewbold~crickets
22:56.41jbotACTION chirps uninterestedly
22:56.47orsonjheh
22:57.05macnewboldapparently I've stumbled upon another good conversation killer
22:57.19oldsyou made us all feel awkward
22:57.27oldsadmittedly, that's not very difficult
22:57.38macnewbold~dance
22:57.39jbotSir! Too much booty in the pants, sir!
22:58.37DexterTheDragon~asplode your
22:58.38jbotyour head asplode, k thx
22:59.16macnewboldat least in here when someone feels awkward, it's easy to make jbot look awkwarder
22:59.21macnewboldtry typing that 10 times fast
22:59.30macnewboldthere's a reason they spell awkward that way
22:59.35orsonjhas codegreene moved in the last couple years?
22:59.45macnewboldorsonj: yeah, we're downtown now
22:59.53macnewboldmuch better/bigger office
22:59.57macnewboldwith games now
23:00.03orsonjThe other office didn't seem too bad
23:00.03macnewboldand room to stretch
23:00.17orsonjI guess small though.
23:00.24macnewboldit was when we had 8 of us in two rooms of about 250 sq.ft each
23:00.26DexterTheDragonvery small
23:00.34macnewboldyou can barely fit 5 desks in there
23:00.46macnewboldend to end and stacked just right, so there's a 1ft walkway to the back two
23:00.56macnewboldand two of you can't push your chairs back at the same time
23:01.05macnewboldDexterTheDragon knows
23:01.10macnewboldso does mrkrow
23:02.13macnewboldhehe
23:02.29macnewboldwell, the projector I bought for the class is 2 years old now I think, maybe almost 3?
23:02.33macnewboldwow, it goes quick
23:04.41orsonjKind of hard for me to believe I've been working the same job for almost 5 years now.
23:05.10SunSparcMy longest is 4 years.
23:08.40unumI worked one job for 6 years straight
23:08.50unumwell pretty close
23:09.03unumI might have been a month or two short
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23:13.40SunSparcThat is a pretty long time in this industry.
23:14.10unumit's a pretty long time to be in college working on a four year degree as well
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23:15.32SunSparclol
23:15.36SunSparcYes, it is.
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23:56.20SunSparcNight all

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