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| 02:46.40 | olds | sup all |
| 03:47.05 | tonedev1 | dude |
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| 04:27.44 | jgiboney | Is there any way to make it so that my wordpress site can only be seen by registered users? |
| 04:30.12 | beandog | .htaccess |
| 04:30.30 | beandog | but then youd have to manually setup access |
| 04:30.34 | jgiboney | i didn't think about that one |
| 04:30.39 | jgiboney | that might work |
| 04:32.55 | jgiboney | when typing in a password through the htaccess prompt, is the password encrypted? |
| 04:39.52 | beandog | nope |
| 04:39.56 | beandog | unless youre using SSL |
| 04:43.06 | jgiboney | i guess that wordpress is not encrypted anyways |
| 04:52.32 | beandog | anything over http isn't encrypted. |
| 04:52.34 | orsonj | actually, I think htaccess password is encrypted. need to double check though. |
| 04:52.46 | beandog | well the password is encrypted. |
| 04:52.52 | beandog | but its still going to be sent plain text. |
| 04:52.55 | orsonj | but nothing else, right |
| 04:53.11 | jgiboney | ya |
| 04:53.25 | jgiboney | i just stuck in the header to see if the user is logged in |
| 04:53.41 | jgiboney | if they aren't the in redirects them to the login screen |
| 05:00.47 | tonedev1 | Anyone have a recommendation for decent graphing library with a flexible license? |
| 05:02.04 | jgiboney | free? |
| 05:03.40 | jgiboney | i have heard the crystal reports is really good (www.crystalreports.com), but I don't know about flexible license. |
| 05:32.36 | olds | okie doke |
| 05:32.38 | olds | bedtime |
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| 13:57.57 | olds | mornin' |
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| 14:49.21 | olds | looks like it's going to be a beautiful day |
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| 14:55.03 | olds | mornin' mindjuju |
| 14:55.57 | mindjuju | morning |
| 14:57.43 | olds | the talk on thursday is down at BGM right? |
| 14:59.43 | mindjuju | sorry, 1 minute to 9a and I've already got phone calls this morning, ugh |
| 14:59.52 | mindjuju | yup, this Thursday @ 7p |
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| 15:09.45 | olds | I'm stoked to be presenting :) |
| 15:10.23 | thebigdog | presenting where might i ask? |
| 15:10.51 | olds | at the uphpu meeting this thursday |
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| 15:15.09 | thebigdog | gratz..what are you presenting on? |
| 15:15.56 | olds | memcache |
| 15:18.44 | thebigdog | nice |
| 15:20.17 | olds | Most of the talk will be a live demonstration of a problem and a solution using memcache |
| 15:20.32 | olds | Try to keep the powerpoint to a minimum |
| 15:21.07 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Thursday @ 7p High Availability using memcache presented by Jeff Sherlock (olds) | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 15:21.46 | swb | exit |
| 15:21.51 | swb | exit |
| 15:21.54 | mindjuju | sure, just leave us |
| 15:22.43 | olds | lol |
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| 15:33.43 | mindjuju | oh sure, swb, ditch us and then come back when you need help |
| 15:33.53 | swb | what? |
| 15:34.05 | mindjuju | just teasin, but a few minutes ago you were all |
| 15:34.06 | mindjuju | exit |
| 15:34.08 | mindjuju | exit |
| 15:34.14 | mindjuju | like we were cramping your style |
| 15:34.20 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:34.28 | swb | um, yeah, sry, wrong window |
| 15:34.29 | swb | :) |
| 15:35.43 | mgeary | hey folks, gimme your insights on this-- |
| 15:36.15 | synic | mindjuju: tiesto on ravetrax |
| 15:36.20 | mindjuju | sweet! |
| 15:37.33 | mgeary | we've got a client who's complaining of slow access speeds. i've done some unscientific troubleshooting with her, and here's what i'm finding: hitting dslreports speed tests indicates that she's on about a 3meg DSL line. I can ping her router IP address in less than 100 milliseconds from the server she's trying to hit. However, as soon as she tries downloading a video file, it goes very, very slowly |
| 15:38.50 | olds | how slow |
| 15:38.51 | mgeary | takes several minutes to d/l a 2 meg video file |
| 15:38.51 | olds | from what host |
| 15:39.00 | mindjuju | i've heard that many ISPs are jinxing DSL reports so that it *appears* to be v fast, but all internet traffic otherwise goes slow |
| 15:39.13 | DexterTheDragon | packet shaping |
| 15:39.20 | olds | yea |
| 15:39.53 | SunSparc | I always try http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ |
| 15:41.10 | SunSparc | Then there is the Web Site Speed test tool that the WebDev toolbar uses: http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ |
| 15:41.11 | mindjuju | SunSparc - speakeasy is the one that was linked of DSLreports.com / broadbandreports.com for a long time, not sure of the physics behind it, but would assume that speed tests are tainted for the biggies |
| 15:41.25 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Could be |
| 15:41.33 | mindjuju | what I do to get around this is that I put a 100mb file on my web server and then point the person to go and get it |
| 15:41.35 | SunSparc | That would be lame if it were true. |
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| 15:42.18 | olds | mindjuju: ditto |
| 15:42.52 | mindjuju | ^5 olds - great minds think alike! |
| 15:43.12 | olds | think I've got a 100mb file on my colo box |
| 15:43.34 | mindjuju | yup, my web serve is at xmission colo |
| 15:44.07 | olds | mine is in Houston |
| 15:49.51 | mgeary | seems like xmission has a speed test as well |
| 15:50.35 | olds | yea they do |
| 15:51.11 | mgeary | can't find the link |
| 15:51.25 | mgeary | http://speedtest.xmission.com/ |
| 15:53.37 | mindjuju | knowing how above board Ashdown is at Xmission, I wouldn't suspect him of playing with the numbers. Is your client using xmission connectivity? |
| 15:54.13 | mgeary | no |
| 15:54.29 | mgeary | they're in Missouri |
| 15:54.53 | mindjuju | oh, and you know, i think i may have shifted this conversation away from your original intent |
| 15:55.04 | mindjuju | are we answering your question, or have we missed? |
| 15:55.22 | olds | http://sinewave.ath.cx/100MB.zip |
| 15:55.30 | olds | that's on my colo box in Houston |
| 15:55.35 | olds | in a Level3 colo facility |
| 15:56.27 | olds | can test the speed out on that if you want |
| 16:15.10 | swb | mindjuju, I'm in for geek lunch this Friday, can you add me to the RSVP list? |
| 16:15.19 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:15.27 | mindjuju | that's going to be a blast |
| 16:15.34 | mindjuju | there is like 20+ tentative |
| 16:15.45 | swb | sweet |
| 16:16.43 | mindjuju | anybody here that hasn't RSVP that is planning on going? |
| 16:17.06 | mindjuju | Tierra , Synic? |
| 16:17.24 | mindjuju | olds, your in Utah County, aren't you? |
| 16:17.39 | mindjuju | seems like Optikal is near SLC, you coming? |
| 16:18.51 | tonedevf | where is the lunch? |
| 16:19.00 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: you have codegreene down for like 5 people? |
| 16:19.07 | mgeary | for some reason, i thought optikal was in the UK |
| 16:19.08 | olds | I'm in SLC |
| 16:19.12 | mindjuju | sup tonedevf - don't thinks we've met |
| 16:19.20 | mindjuju | Geek Lunch is in SLC |
| 16:19.24 | mindjuju | at Tucanos in the gateway |
| 16:19.33 | tonedevf | greetings! |
| 16:19.39 | mindjuju | DexterTheDragon - just put in a PM to macnewbold to see what his count was |
| 16:19.43 | mindjuju | i'll write you down for 5 |
| 16:19.46 | tonedevf | nah, we haven't. I'm not far from the gateway |
| 16:19.53 | olds | I *might* have another lunch commitment, but if not, I'm down |
| 16:20.09 | tonedevf | what type of food is tucanos? |
| 16:20.09 | DexterTheDragon | if all the guys go it should be 5 |
| 16:20.17 | mindjuju | sweet olds! or if you want, there are several bringing their friend / spouse / other |
| 16:20.31 | mindjuju | so you can bring people, just let me know count |
| 16:21.11 | mindjuju | tonedevf - it is Brazilian, served in a buffet style |
| 16:21.27 | mindjuju | what happens is they bring various cuts of meats and grilled fruits to you |
| 16:21.33 | mindjuju | you say if you want it or not |
| 16:21.38 | mindjuju | it's awesome |
| 16:21.44 | olds | like Rodizio? |
| 16:21.47 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 16:21.50 | olds | ahh, nice |
| 16:21.53 | tonedevf | I'll be there |
| 16:22.04 | tonedevf | if teh newbs are allowed |
| 16:22.11 | olds | lol |
| 16:22.14 | mindjuju | awesome tonedevf! see ya there! |
| 16:22.57 | mindjuju | well, about n00bs, we always let thebigdog come to our events and he's a total n00b |
| 16:23.07 | thebigdog | always |
| 16:23.49 | SunSparc | Yeah, thebigdog, need any help with some new PHP functions you are learning today? |
| 16:23.50 | tonedevf | i may be able to drag along one more too. he's a php bad ass but a picky eater ... i'll see if he's down with the Brazilian meat fests |
| 16:24.02 | thebigdog | well yah |
| 16:24.10 | mgeary | no one's pickier than /me, and /me looooves Tucanos |
| 16:24.10 | thebigdog | echo is giving me some trouble |
| 16:24.12 | mindjuju | that'd be cool tonedevf |
| 16:24.21 | SunSparc | thebigdog: lol |
| 16:24.27 | tonedevf | wow, i was half-way through writing a joke about echo |
| 16:24.32 | SunSparc | Yeah, that "echo" function is a confusing one |
| 16:24.36 | mindjuju | olds , tonedevf - just give me headcount on Thursday morn |
| 16:24.37 | tonedevf | i must be in the right place |
| 16:24.59 | tierra | thebigdog: figured out how the "if" statement works yet? |
| 16:25.15 | mindjuju | tierra, don't get him cornfused again |
| 16:25.19 | mindjuju | let's stay with the basics |
| 16:25.28 | tierra | hehe |
| 16:25.31 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:26.05 | tierra | mindjuju: I think you can count me, eco, and another coworker for lunch Friday |
| 16:26.15 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 16:26.19 | eco | wat |
| 16:26.40 | tierra | eco: you be quite, I make the plans here |
| 16:26.48 | eco | I'm always quite. |
| 16:26.53 | tierra | heh |
| 16:27.01 | tierra | quiet* |
| 16:27.04 | olds | lol |
| 16:31.26 | thebigdog | tierra, almost |
| 16:31.45 | thebigdog | im glad you guys are so patient with tme |
| 16:32.21 | mindjuju | thebigdog -- any chance you can swing down to the SLC for some eats on Friday? |
| 16:32.54 | thebigdog | i might be able too |
| 16:33.33 | optikal | mindjuju: What is this you're speaking of? |
| 16:33.51 | mindjuju | Geek Lunch at Tucanos in SLC on Friday |
| 16:33.56 | mindjuju | was wondering if you were in SLC |
| 16:34.13 | optikal | I am |
| 16:34.14 | mindjuju | thebigdog, that would be way awesome! |
| 16:34.20 | optikal | But I will be in Capitol Reef on Friday. |
| 16:34.29 | mindjuju | ill bug ya on Thursday to get confirm |
| 16:34.41 | mindjuju | bummer optikal! |
| 16:34.44 | thebigdog | not sure though...learning this php stuff has me hammered |
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| 16:44.56 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: count me in for the Geek Lunch |
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| 16:46.33 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 16:47.01 | beandog | mindjuju, yo |
| 16:47.14 | beandog | so youre trying to buy out a theater? |
| 16:47.20 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:47.28 | mindjuju | but with all the UGs, i don't think that'll be a prob |
| 16:47.29 | mindjuju | do you? |
| 16:48.00 | beandog | do I waht? |
| 16:48.22 | mindjuju | do you think it would be hard to fill a theater to see Ironman 2 days early |
| 16:48.33 | olds | hah, ironman |
| 16:48.42 | mindjuju | that movie looks awesome |
| 16:48.50 | olds | lol |
| 16:48.57 | beandog | mindjuju, thats a lot of tickets |
| 16:48.57 | olds | if you say so :) |
| 16:49.30 | mindjuju | beandog - well, email is just to test waters, but from people i've been talking to, don't think it will be crazy hard |
| 16:49.40 | beandog | which theater |
| 16:49.46 | mindjuju | Jordon Commons |
| 16:49.56 | mindjuju | snarf food + Ironman = way good times |
| 16:50.16 | SunSparc | Can I bring the fam? |
| 16:50.21 | beandog | do you know which theater it'd be in, # of seats |
| 16:50.25 | mindjuju | Sunsparc - Yup |
| 16:50.30 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:50.31 | mindjuju | that's why i believe it won't be a big deal |
| 16:50.54 | mindjuju | beandog - Jordon Commons calling me on an exact num, Paramount already approved advanced screening |
| 16:51.21 | beandog | find out what the sound system is in the theater, as well |
| 16:51.24 | mindjuju | now, if i can land some swag, i'll be happy |
| 16:51.47 | mindjuju | beandog, i'm going to see if they'll screen on the IMAX, if it is playing on IMAX |
| 16:51.49 | beandog | mindjuju, thats pretty easy to do |
| 16:51.51 | mindjuju | hope to find htat out here soon |
| 16:52.10 | mindjuju | haven't been able to find info either way |
| 16:52.20 | SunSparc | mindjuju: There is a lot of interest here at mediaRAIN |
| 16:52.30 | beandog | I hate watching movies in the imax tehater |
| 16:52.32 | beandog | you have no leg room |
| 16:52.46 | mindjuju | SunSparc - dude, this is going to be an absolute blast! |
| 16:52.56 | mindjuju | and 2 days early to boot! |
| 16:53.04 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:53.12 | mindjuju | it launches Friday, we'll be there Wed Night, AFAIK |
| 16:53.21 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: so what day are you thinking? |
| 16:53.27 | beandog | it'd probably be a thursday night |
| 16:53.37 | beandog | The theater would have to get the film, put it together, and screen it first |
| 16:53.41 | beandog | unless we're the screeners. |
| 16:53.49 | mindjuju | we would be the screeners |
| 16:53.51 | beandog | movies usually dont get in til late late |
| 16:53.59 | mindjuju | Paramount has authorized 2 day advanced |
| 16:54.20 | beandog | doesnt take too long to build em, though. |
| 16:54.33 | mindjuju | k, got to split for an 11a calibration meet, but i'll be back in an hour or so |
| 16:57.27 | beandog | slacker |
| 17:06.00 | mgeary | hey, does anyone have any experience with automated handling of emails? Setting up auto-responders, for example, or taking programmatic action on receipt of certain emails? |
| 17:08.34 | orsonj | speaking of speed tests, be sure to check your bandwidth cap before downloading anything big. My neighbor was downloading a MS Dev kit and it turned into a 1987 modem at 196 Megs |
| 17:09.41 | olds | mgeary: yea, it's not that hard |
| 17:09.50 | mgeary | olds: what have you used? |
| 17:10.02 | olds | look at the imap functions for php |
| 17:10.21 | olds | just connect, look at the topics of the emails, or who they're from |
| 17:10.42 | mgeary | hmm, i'd actually rather not use php |
| 17:11.10 | olds | oh |
| 17:11.16 | mgeary | but good point |
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| 17:12.26 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i think we could do it |
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| 17:15.03 | Trevyn | http://www.utahwebstandards.com/ |
| 17:16.45 | Trevyn | You can review a business |
| 17:16.49 | Trevyn | its not illegal |
| 17:16.52 | mgeary | go for it |
| 17:16.56 | mgeary | not saying you can't |
| 17:17.09 | mgeary | knock yourself out |
| 17:17.34 | Trevyn | slander/libel backsplash.. you said its illegal |
| 17:18.15 | mgeary | there's a lot of grayspace there. i wouldn't presume to be an authority ;) |
| 17:18.41 | mgeary | but i wouldn't want to be dragged through a lawsuit just to prove i was right |
| 17:19.00 | Trevyn | I saw some review on UPHPU about a business.. |
| 17:19.09 | tierra | Trevyn presumes he's an authority on everything... |
| 17:19.12 | mgeary | not from me, you didn't ;) |
| 17:19.21 | Trevyn | (11:19:15 AM) tierra: Trevyn presumes he's an authority on everything... (Ironic) |
| 17:21.26 | olds | huh |
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| 17:22.27 | tierra | well, all of your posts are ones which are usually derived from some lengthy study on the subject matter, but you make these posts very frequently just based on your opnions and knowledge at the time... I can tell just by reading them that you haven't put any time into actually looking into what you're talking about |
| 17:22.35 | PoeticIntensity | yo, mindjuju, count me in on the screening of Ironman. |
| 17:22.39 | tierra | honestly, I don't see any content of any worth on your site |
| 17:22.53 | PoeticIntensity | uh oh, we smack talkin' with Trevyn again? |
| 17:22.59 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 17:23.00 | Trevyn | thats fine, blogs are blogs |
| 17:23.05 | olds | tierra: you coming to the talk on thursday? |
| 17:23.15 | tierra | olds: going to try |
| 17:23.25 | PoeticIntensity | olds, you presenting on Thurs? |
| 17:23.31 | olds | yup |
| 17:23.41 | PoeticIntensity | High availability / memcache? |
| 17:23.44 | PoeticIntensity | I'm 100% there, man... |
| 17:23.45 | olds | yup |
| 17:23.46 | PoeticIntensity | I need to learn that stuff. |
| 17:23.48 | beandog | will there be donuts? |
| 17:23.56 | herlo | yes |
| 17:23.58 | olds | I'll bring donuts if that's what people want |
| 17:24.00 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 17:24.03 | PoeticIntensity | Pizza. |
| 17:24.04 | tierra | heh |
| 17:24.22 | Trevyn | Tierra, mabie ill come and see if there is any "content of any worth" |
| 17:25.51 | PoeticIntensity | Trevyn, not to be rude, but IMO, you're not making a very good impression here. |
| 17:26.12 | Trevyn | Its ok, all new styles are frowned upon |
| 17:26.30 | PoeticIntensity | *all* new styles? |
| 17:27.38 | Trevyn | I just do things different, and some struggle with that. Its ok. Im sure I have some learning to do. |
| 17:31.06 | Trevyn | (11:28:24 AM) Trevyn: Tierra, did you read this: http://www.cehandbook.com/cehandbook/htmlpages/ceh_agencies.html#TCSFAHA |
| 17:31.06 | Trevyn | (11:28:35 AM) Trevyn: I think thats usefull information. |
| 17:31.37 | orsonj | I did like that page. |
| 17:32.35 | Trevyn | Thanks Orson |
| 17:54.34 | bradym | i find it entertaining that the "About" text on http://www.utahwebstandards.com/ is lorem ipsum |
| 17:54.50 | Trevyn | bradym same :) |
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| 18:36.40 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: ping |
| 18:38.41 | Utah_Dave | hey, I'm going to be downtown this afternoon, I was wondering if I could stop by and check out your new office |
| 18:39.01 | Trevyn | UPDATEÂ Since posting this blog article, I have been contacted and payment/issues have been resolved by HPP. |
| 18:39.09 | Trevyn | http://www.utahwebstandards.com/high-point-performance/ |
| 18:39.39 | mgeary | so..... |
| 18:40.05 | Trevyn | Thought I would clear the air |
| 18:40.06 | mgeary | that suggests that you made that post because they owed you money? I ask because you don't mention that in your review |
| 18:40.42 | Trevyn | I wrote it because many many different times I have had issues with them |
| 18:40.50 | Trevyn | And I decided to write a review. |
| 18:41.15 | Trevyn | And they contacted me and cleared things with me, from past work. Doesnt meant I would change the review |
| 18:42.05 | Trevyn | mgeary thanks for the feedback |
| 18:42.12 | Trevyn | Tierra, what point? |
| 18:42.23 | Trevyn | Its not clear to me, what your point is. |
| 18:43.46 | Trevyn | I dont understand why notifying you guys of my expieriences being good or bad, is looked down upon, or has some point that I dont get. |
| 18:45.34 | RedHeron | Trevyn: libel and slander are illegal... though not criminal. |
| 18:45.47 | Trevyn | honestly, I don't see any content of any worth on your site... That was her point. |
| 18:45.54 | Trevyn | And Im not slandering a person |
| 18:46.01 | Trevyn | business reviews.. like moview reviews |
| 18:46.07 | Trevyn | Are legal |
| 18:46.33 | RedHeron | Critical reviews can still be litigated against. |
| 18:46.37 | Trevyn | And opinions are just that. Opinions |
| 18:46.42 | Trevyn | So can farting in public |
| 18:46.50 | Trevyn | I got a tumor for smelling fart |
| 18:46.55 | Trevyn | Im sueing |
| 18:47.13 | Trevyn | Right? |
| 18:47.15 | RedHeron | That's about what the entertainment industry is doing with P2P technology. |
| 18:47.30 | RedHeron | It's civil litigation, not criminal. |
| 18:47.37 | Trevyn | Im not as big, or important as P2P. |
| 18:47.46 | Trevyn | I appreciate the feedback. |
| 18:47.48 | RedHeron | Still "illegal" because there are laws against it... and exactly the same level of illegality. |
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| 18:48.28 | Trevyn | Soa re you saying stop becuase you care about me? Or Stop becuase you dont think it should be done? |
| 18:48.36 | Trevyn | Or are you saying it pointless? |
| 18:49.39 | RedHeron | I'm saying civil litigation is pointless, and that if something is true, you should be able to say so... and comparing it to the current frantic litigation in piracy since they're at exactly the same level of litigability. |
| 18:50.13 | Trevyn | Cool |
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| 18:50.36 | Trevyn | RedHaron == level headed dude (or chick) |
| 18:50.40 | RedHeron | Opinions, where they are expressed solely to be vindictive, can earn a lawsuit. That's why journalists need to maintain a reputation for being fair and balanced. |
| 18:51.24 | RedHeron | And thanks for the compliment. |
| 18:51.43 | unum | the interesting thing is if you say bad things about a public figure they have to prove you did it out of vindictiviness in order to win |
| 18:52.02 | unum | but you if you say bad things about a private person you have to prove it is true in order to win |
| 18:52.08 | RedHeron | Actually, all they need to prove is that damage was done. |
| 18:52.31 | unum | not if it's a "public figure", the rules are different |
| 18:52.55 | unum | I took a class where we spent a couple of weeks reviewing case law |
| 18:52.59 | unum | it was really interesting |
| 18:53.15 | SunSparc | When building PHP from source and installing it, where does the install usually put all the files? Or is it just the man files and the libphp5.so file that it installs? |
| 18:53.32 | mgeary | my only point earlier was that if you get sued for libel/slander, wouldn't you rather not fight that battle? Like Thumper's mom said, "if you can't say something nice..." |
| 18:53.36 | RedHeron | SunSparc: depends on the distro, I thought. |
| 18:54.03 | SunSparc | RedHeron: The PHP distro? Or the OS? |
| 18:54.04 | RedHeron | mgeary: It depends largely on what the motives for saying a thing were in the first place. |
| 18:54.12 | RedHeron | SunSparc: The OS. |
| 18:54.34 | Trevyn | My motivation is a fair work environtment and promotion for good business practices |
| 18:55.23 | Trevyn | Id rathher you answer the PHP build question than my ramblins thanks for feedback though |
| 18:55.43 | RedHeron | mgeary: For example, if I found evidence that George Bush was personally working for the mafia, he could sue me if I disclosed it, true or not. If I write it, it's libel. If I say it, it's slander. Whether it's true or false actually holds no bearing. |
| 18:55.51 | Trevyn | And SunSparc, I think the command can specify the location as well |
| 18:56.55 | mgeary | SunSparc: --prefix= |
| 18:57.07 | unum | if you can prove that what you said is true then you _should_ win in court |
| 18:57.11 | mgeary | SunSparc: the default is usually /usr/local |
| 18:57.28 | unum | it's libel if it's published, and slander if it's disclosed to a few people |
| 18:57.44 | mgeary | ~slander unum |
| 18:57.46 | unum | there is also something similiar to libel and slander in some states |
| 18:57.48 | RedHeron | unum: It's actually the judge's decision. If the judge feels it's a special case, they can override case law. |
| 18:57.50 | mgeary | now there's an action we need |
| 18:57.53 | unum | but I can't remember what it's called |
| 18:57.58 | unum | RedHeron: that's true |
| 18:58.26 | unum | but usually you get off if it's true |
| 18:58.34 | Trevyn | I have been called names on forum boards.. and I doubt I could have a case for libel |
| 18:58.41 | unum | unless they sue you for privacy invasion |
| 18:59.02 | unum | Trevyn: as stated earlier you need to prove damage |
| 18:59.18 | unum | me calling you a name here will probably not harm your finances much |
| 18:59.26 | Trevyn | Yeah and i got all of 4 hits on my blog :( |
| 18:59.29 | unum | I guess you could claim pain and suffering |
| 19:00.09 | Trevyn | So I doubt damage will be caused. I hope financial damage happens but thats just me. |
| 19:00.29 | Trevyn | Acctually I hope he changes his ways |
| 19:00.31 | beandog | has anyone worked with utf8 on mysql 5 |
| 19:00.39 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you there? |
| 19:00.51 | Trevyn | RedHaron.. it happens. |
| 19:00.52 | RedHeron | s/vefore/before/ |
| 19:01.08 | Trevyn | I was bullied for 2 hours from a tow truck company in provo |
| 19:01.14 | RedHeron | beandog: I do. |
| 19:01.20 | unum | RedHeron: you lost a sland law suit? |
| 19:01.27 | Trevyn | Cant do to much about that |
| 19:01.35 | RedHeron | unum: libel, but yes |
| 19:01.45 | Trevyn | Nice, who was it on? |
| 19:01.48 | beandog | RedHeron, do you know if the server has to enable it, or is it only a per-db, per-table thing |
| 19:01.54 | unum | was it "published" on a website? |
| 19:02.00 | Trevyn | how much money was involved? |
| 19:02.01 | tierra | beandog: I haven't had any problems with it |
| 19:02.20 | tierra | there's per-DB and per-table settings for it |
| 19:02.22 | RedHeron | beandog: I believe it's a per-table collation setting. |
| 19:02.39 | beandog | hmm ok |
| 19:02.51 | RedHeron | unum: No, in print. |
| 19:02.56 | unum | unfortunetly when dealing with a nonpublic figure in libel you are guilty until proven innocent |
| 19:03.29 | unum | so people are often found guilty of libel for true statements |
| 19:03.29 | beandog | RedHeron, okay, thats waht I thought . |
| 19:03.44 | RedHeron | unum: My cases (3 of them) were 2 public and one nonpublic. |
| 19:04.27 | unum | RedHeron: were they elected officials? |
| 19:04.53 | tierra | beandog: there's also per-field settings as well |
| 19:05.05 | beandog | oh, wow |
| 19:05.13 | tierra | the lower it is, it overrides the upper settings |
| 19:06.11 | tierra | if, when creating a field, if you don't specify the collation, it defaults to the table settings, and the same is true of tables taking on database defaults |
| 19:06.20 | RedHeron | unum: both public were elected, yes. |
| 19:06.48 | RedHeron | beandog: tierra is correct |
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| 19:24.10 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you there? |
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| 19:48.04 | timinator | I'm only on for a few minutes today.... anybody need me for anything? have I missed anything? |
| 19:49.22 | _psychic_ | can you buy me some donuts? |
| 19:49.32 | mgeary | cornnuts, i say |
| 19:49.55 | olds | _psychic_: how bout that game |
| 19:49.58 | wps | is there some sort of escape character that will allow me to insert HTML with line breaks in it into MySQL via the command line? |
| 19:49.59 | olds | I did not see that one coming |
| 19:50.03 | _psychic_ | olds: w000000000t |
| 19:50.14 | _psychic_ | I did, but not 4-0 |
| 19:50.31 | _psychic_ | we've been looking good lately, it just hasn't been dropping for us |
| 19:50.34 | olds | I thought maybe, maybe 2-1 |
| 19:50.38 | olds | if we got some lucky breaks |
| 19:50.38 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 19:50.52 | _psychic_ | espindola's and findley's goals were pretty god-given |
| 19:50.57 | olds | lol yea |
| 19:51.08 | _psychic_ | beckermans' were solid |
| 19:51.16 | olds | agree |
| 19:51.19 | olds | *agreed |
| 19:52.03 | pelaofeliz | wps: do you mean via the shell command line, or using the mysql CLI tool? |
| 19:52.19 | wps | mysql monitor (the MySQL CLI tool) |
| 19:52.25 | _psychic_ | olds: hopefully we see some good stuff come from the game in Toronto. |
| 19:52.33 | olds | yea |
| 19:53.19 | wps | mysql - text-based client for mysqld, a SQL-based relational database daemon |
| 19:54.15 | olds | I like the mysql command prompt |
| 19:54.20 | wps | same |
| 19:54.45 | wps | I need to enter an entire page worth of HTML though and the only way I know how is to remove all of the line breaks so that it is just one long line |
| 19:54.52 | wps | but that makes it illegible in the DB |
| 19:55.10 | mgeary | ~whisper pma |
| 19:55.42 | wps | I need a way to tell it to not interpret the line breaks in the HTML as sending a "return" |
| 19:56.25 | pelaofeliz | ah, you're cutting & pasting, then? |
| 19:56.27 | olds | hmmmm |
| 19:56.39 | pelaofeliz | use '\e' |
| 19:56.49 | pelaofeliz | you can edit the SQL in an editor |
| 19:57.40 | pelaofeliz | then whatever you saved when you exit will be in the mysql buffer |
| 19:59.28 | pelaofeliz | if you want it to automatically run whatever you save on exit, use '\e\g' |
| 19:59.55 | pelaofeliz | 'zat make sense? |
| 20:00.19 | wps | so put a "\e" at the end of each line of the HTML? |
| 20:00.46 | beandog | mgeary, mm, pma. |
| 20:01.05 | beandog | does it have support for adding foreign keys yet |
| 20:01.19 | pelaofeliz | wps: no, just type '\e' in mysql |
| 20:01.34 | pelaofeliz | it will bring up an editor (whatever the default editor is) |
| 20:01.50 | wps | oh |
| 20:02.00 | wps | so if I was going to do this |
| 20:02.21 | wps | update table set column1='this' where column2='that' |
| 20:02.34 | wps | would I do the editing in the editor before I started typing my query? |
| 20:02.42 | wps | or when I get to "this"? |
| 20:03.04 | wps | update table set column1='\e |
| 20:03.34 | pelaofeliz | mysql> \e\g <enter> |
| 20:03.47 | wps | oh |
| 20:03.59 | wps | and then type "update table ..." |
| 20:04.02 | wps | including the HTML |
| 20:04.02 | pelaofeliz | right |
| 20:04.03 | wps | all in vi? |
| 20:04.07 | pelaofeliz | exactly |
| 20:04.09 | wps | AH! |
| 20:04.11 | wps | very nice |
| 20:04.14 | wps | that's slick |
| 20:04.21 | wps | I had no idea you could use vi inside of mysql monitor |
| 20:04.25 | pelaofeliz | yeah, nice for the big multi-line queries |
| 20:04.29 | wps | definately |
| 20:04.36 | wps | thank you very much |
| 20:04.39 | wps | you just saved me a lot of time |
| 20:04.41 | pelaofeliz | you can do \e inline, too... |
| 20:04.44 | wps | and a cleaner DB |
| 20:04.44 | _psychic_ | ~vim++ |
| 20:05.11 | wps | when I am done in vi, what do I type? |
| 20:05.13 | wps | ;x |
| 20:05.21 | wps | : x |
| 20:05.28 | wps | it's not saving to a file |
| 20:05.29 | pelaofeliz | yeah - just write & exit |
| 20:05.34 | wps | cool |
| 20:06.00 | wps | I still need to escape my quotes though, right? |
| 20:06.34 | pelaofeliz | yeah -- when you get out of vi it will be as if the entirety of the vi buffer was pasted into the mysql command line, AFAIK |
| 20:06.40 | wps | k |
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| 20:07.14 | pelaofeliz | you *can* use '\e' inline if you want to -- if you do "select * from foo where \e" then mysql will take the entire command, and stuff it in the vi buffer, so you don't lose anything |
| 20:07.31 | wps | k |
| 20:07.39 | pelaofeliz | dunno how useful it is, but there you go |
| 20:08.42 | timinator | ~give _psychic_ some donuts |
| 20:08.43 | jbot | ACTION gives some donuts to _psychic_ |
| 20:08.49 | _psychic_ | thx |
| 20:08.52 | _psychic_ | you may go now |
| 20:09.29 | timinator | ~give mgeary some cornnuts |
| 20:09.30 | jbot | ACTION gives some cornnuts to mgeary |
| 20:09.45 | timinator | thx _psychic_ |
| 20:09.49 | mgeary | sorry, tim, my imagination's just not strong enough |
| 20:09.55 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:10.34 | timinator | I'll get you some next time I see ya |
| 20:10.37 | timinator | just remind me |
| 20:11.25 | thebigdog | anyone here ever setup their own windows service? |
| 20:11.34 | thebigdog | like this - http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=304 |
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| 20:52.31 | timinator | k, gotta run |
| 20:52.34 | timinator | later guys |
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| 21:15.01 | cycokilr | aww yeah.. |
| 21:16.24 | cycokilr | what? neil diamond is the (other) king.. |
| 21:18.45 | SunSparc | wps: Which song? |
| 21:19.41 | wps | coming to america |
| 21:19.48 | cycokilr | yeah that one's not my favorite.. |
| 21:19.52 | Utah_Dave | Ah |
| 21:20.00 | SunSparc | hehe, that is what I was thinking. |
| 21:20.02 | Utah_Dave | I mean, "Argh!" |
| 21:20.04 | wps | he sent me a link to a 101.9 The End myspace page where they had a spoof on the song making fun or illegal immigration |
| 21:20.10 | Utah_Dave | wps: why are you punishing the rest of us? |
| 21:20.44 | cycokilr | i like forever in blue jeans and shilo.. |
| 21:21.15 | wps | I have refrained from pasting the link :) |
| 21:21.50 | SunSparc | hehe |
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| 22:20.35 | olds | I think it's 1 |
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