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| 02:17.59 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
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| 03:35.27 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 03:35.48 | josephscott | I am |
| 03:36.02 | mindjuju | hey, how is it going |
| 03:36.43 | mindjuju | i'm looking for something from ICANN or somewhere with some authority that says that just because a domain expires on a particular date, as described in the whois, doesn't mean it is available for purchase on that day |
| 03:36.54 | josephscott | good, just tracking down another bug |
| 03:37.02 | mindjuju | not having any success finding something and need to convey this info to somebody |
| 03:37.11 | josephscott | ah, just a sec |
| 03:38.29 | josephscott | mindjuju: start here: http://www.icann.org/registrars/eddp.htm |
| 03:39.05 | mindjuju | i think that'll work great, thx! |
| 03:39.16 | josephscott | mindjuju: that bottom line is, the exact time frame is determined by the registar |
| 03:39.17 | mindjuju | ~APB olds |
| 03:39.17 | jbot | ACTION calls Leland to stake out olds |
| 03:39.29 | mindjuju | yeah, i'll have to find it from dotster |
| 03:39.36 | mindjuju | the registrar in this case |
| 03:39.55 | josephscott | but ICANN requires some minimum amount of time, something like 15 days (maybe 30, can't remember) |
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| 04:03.45 | mindjuju | sup dataw0lf |
| 04:15.25 | dataw0lf | evening |
| 04:15.52 | mindjuju | haven't seen ya in a bit, good to see ya |
| 04:16.17 | dataw0lf | yea been busy at work |
| 04:16.30 | mindjuju | busy is good, usually means more money |
| 04:16.38 | dataw0lf | moved 100 different web applications spread across almost as many domains last week |
| 04:16.46 | dataw0lf | from one server to another |
| 04:16.54 | mindjuju | yuck! |
| 04:17.04 | dataw0lf | upgraded versions of the whole webstack too |
| 04:17.11 | dataw0lf | Nah, it was easy. Mostly Ruby and Python. :D |
| 04:17.25 | dataw0lf | PHP sites gave me problems though |
| 04:17.36 | dataw0lf | complex real estate legacy applications, thousands of properties |
| 04:17.45 | dataw0lf | and I upgraded several minor versions of the PHP install |
| 04:19.12 | dataw0lf | oho and DNS hasn't propagated on one. Told the owner. We didn't control the domain name. He was acting like we were trying to steal his DOMAIN NAME. It was ridiculous. |
| 04:19.21 | dataw0lf | We called the ISP that controls the domain |
| 04:19.25 | dataw0lf | but we didn't have access to the account |
| 04:19.38 | dataw0lf | so I told them what was going on and they put a ticket in, and I had them call his cellphone |
| 04:19.42 | dataw0lf | but the TTL was ridiculous |
| 04:19.44 | dataw0lf | so... |
| 04:19.49 | mindjuju | heh |
| 04:19.52 | mindjuju | funny you say that |
| 04:20.02 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 04:20.22 | mindjuju | i'm writing up a big email on how domain names are purchased because somebody want to purchase a domain name the moment the domain expires, according to whois |
| 04:20.39 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 04:20.41 | dataw0lf | fun times |
| 04:20.47 | mindjuju | i'm telling them, could be as long as 45 days after domain expire and could cost much more than $10 |
| 04:21.32 | josephscott | and they'll probably have to use one of the services that specializes in such things, odds of getting it on your own are pretty slim |
| 04:22.01 | mindjuju | yeah, that's just the part i'm at right now |
| 04:22.04 | mindjuju | get with a service |
| 04:22.24 | mindjuju | i've heard good things about snapnames.com, so i'm marking that as recommended |
| 04:23.00 | dataw0lf | yea, we have a whole corporate team that specializes in domain jacking |
| 04:23.10 | mindjuju | i'm a little hazy on something though |
| 04:23.41 | mindjuju | if i was goign for something like business.com and i had a bid at snapnames.com, what if the company namejet.com wins the domain |
| 04:24.03 | mindjuju | will that reflect in the whois, does snapnames inform me of what happened, or what? |
| 04:24.13 | mindjuju | i've never actually competed for a name, so don't know |
| 04:24.19 | dataw0lf | they'll let you know |
| 04:24.41 | mindjuju | and then you can just swing over to that other company and try to buy from them, right? |
| 04:25.43 | dataw0lf | yea, but I don't think snapnames has terrible competition, do they? |
| 04:26.03 | mindjuju | godaddy now offers and network solutions has namejet |
| 04:26.28 | mindjuju | but you're right |
| 04:26.32 | mindjuju | it'll prolly be snapnames |
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| 14:22.26 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: did you figure out the problem you were having with Cake yesterday? |
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| 15:11.27 | mindjuju | nice |
| 15:11.32 | mindjuju | haven't heard that song in a while |
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| 15:14.31 | Trevyn | Great Read: http://www.cehandbook.com/cehandbook/htmlpages/ceh_agencies.html#TCSFAHA |
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| 15:19.55 | mgeary | meh |
| 15:20.06 | mindjuju | meh? |
| 15:20.37 | mgeary | meh |
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| 15:23.20 | thebigdog | macnewbold, you around? |
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| 15:48.16 | synic | macnewbold: |
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| 15:51.37 | synic | macnewbold: did you find a consultant for HA and load balancing and etc? |
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| 16:25.54 | mindjuju | ~APB olds |
| 16:25.55 | jbot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to rough up olds |
| 16:27.55 | wps | can you multi-line edit in vi? |
| 16:28.14 | Utah_Dave | what do you mean by multi-line edit? |
| 16:28.24 | wps | edit multiple lines at the same time |
| 16:28.30 | wps | changing the same thing on each of the lines |
| 16:28.37 | Utah_Dave | 6dd will delete 6 lines rightaway |
| 16:28.49 | Utah_Dave | yeah |
| 16:29.00 | Utah_Dave | just edit the first line and move down |
| 16:29.07 | Utah_Dave | then hit 6. |
| 16:29.13 | Utah_Dave | it will repeat that 6 times |
| 16:30.02 | wps | didn't work |
| 16:31.10 | Utah_Dave | how much editing are you doing on each line? |
| 16:31.34 | wps | adding a pound sign at the beginning |
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| 16:32.53 | Utah_Dave | 'i', '#', 'Esc', 'j', '.' |
| 16:33.21 | Utah_Dave | I guess you'll have to hit 'j' and '.' for each line |
| 16:33.32 | Utah_Dave | you could also write a macro |
| 16:34.32 | Utah_Dave | herlo is really quite the vim guru |
| 16:39.42 | Trevyn | Do any of you know of or use a Utah Based independant Contracting Agency? |
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| 17:06.45 | PoeticIntensity | wazzup, swb? |
| 17:06.58 | PoeticIntensity | enjoying your new gig? |
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| 17:24.09 | orsonj | wps: while in command mode press Shift-V then go down to the last line (this should highlight those lines) At that point you can do a regex to add the # sign. :'<,'>s/^/#/ |
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| 17:25.32 | orsonj | the '<,'> is added for you automatically after you press : when you are selecting lines |
| 17:26.18 | orsonj | That is assuming you are using vim and not real vi |
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| 17:31.11 | Trevyn | What percentage of UPHPU are independatn contractors? |
| 17:31.49 | mindjuju | are as in exclusively or do as in moonlight |
| 17:31.57 | mindjuju | well, actually on either, i wouldn't know |
| 17:32.18 | mindjuju | but would imagine many / most do some level of contract |
| 17:32.33 | Trevyn | Well, Im interested in getting a health insurance package that other contractors would want to enroll into. |
| 17:32.43 | Trevyn | Not sure the best way to share that Idea |
| 17:32.56 | mgeary | in my experience, you're not going to like that |
| 17:33.09 | mgeary | i've got some experience with that |
| 17:33.39 | mgeary | a group plan only becomes appealing when you're dealing with a fairly significant number of (presumably) healthy people |
| 17:34.08 | mgeary | if i, for example, joined your co-op, you'd suddenly find your own premiums raised significantly because my wife has a heart condition |
| 17:34.26 | mgeary | and you'd say, "dang, WTH am i doing with mgeary in my plan!?" |
| 17:34.52 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:35.48 | mgeary | in my experience, you will not see a significant reduction in your insurance premiums going from a personal plan to a group plan |
| 17:35.59 | mgeary | unless you join a very large, mostly healthy group |
| 17:36.26 | mgeary | fwiw |
| 17:36.59 | mgeary | it's messy and unpleasant |
| 17:37.21 | mgeary | but a necessary evil, i suppose |
| 17:40.42 | mindjuju | healthcare in america == dog chasing his own tail. You could blame this or that for the rising costs, but by the time you chase down everything, you find yourself going in circles with a bad odor in your nose |
| 17:41.49 | Trevyn | Have you guys ever tried using a an agency for Benefits \ Taxes \ Payroll |
| 17:42.01 | mgeary | we recently outsourced all that to Aplus Benefits |
| 17:42.36 | mindjuju | mgeary, i know we outsource ours too, but don't know the company |
| 17:42.42 | mindjuju | we're a company with just under 100 |
| 17:44.30 | Trevyn | mgeary.. GOLDMINE! Thanks. |
| 17:44.41 | Trevyn | Are Aplus local? |
| 17:44.44 | mgeary | yes |
| 17:46.56 | wps | crap |
| 17:46.56 | wps | crap |
| 17:47.07 | wps | it appears that you cannot set a cookie with a rewrite rule with Apache 1.3 |
| 17:47.22 | wps | it appears that it is a new feature with 2.0 |
| 17:47.26 | wps | arrrrg! |
| 17:48.17 | orsonj | I know it doesn't fix apache, but did you get my vim tip? |
| 17:48.26 | wps | yes |
| 17:48.27 | wps | thank you |
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| 18:23.25 | macnewbold | health insurance premiums suck |
| 18:23.28 | macnewbold | but often can be worth it |
| 18:26.54 | SunSparc | We should just go back to trading chicken for medical services and get rid of insurance altogether. |
| 18:37.53 | mgeary | have you guys seen the projections of what will happen over the next ~20 years with healthcare costs? |
| 18:38.19 | mgeary | let me just say this-- Social Security is a walk in the park compared to the healthcare cost crisis we're in for |
| 18:38.23 | SunSparc | Do we want to? |
| 18:38.27 | mgeary | no |
| 18:38.39 | mgeary | we're all hosed |
| 18:38.44 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 18:39.41 | SunSparc | Honestly, I think the system is fouled up. |
| 18:39.50 | SunSparc | Perhaps that is obvious |
| 18:40.31 | SunSparc | The healthcare industry has a cancerous tumor. |
| 18:40.45 | mgeary | 3 of my siblings are doctors |
| 18:40.56 | SunSparc | 1 of mine is |
| 18:41.00 | mgeary | but get this-- none of them practice |
| 18:41.22 | SunSparc | Because the cannot make money off it. |
| 18:41.24 | SunSparc | Right? |
| 18:42.40 | mgeary | well... one's making $600k+ as VP of a pharma co. in Japan, one was a pediatrician, and stopped so she could have a family, and one is married to a radiation onc. resident, and it didn't make much sense to have two practicing docs in the family |
| 18:43.40 | SunSparc | Interesting |
| 18:44.52 | SunSparc | It seems that doctors are punished for practicing medicine. I not would be surprised if we start to have a shortage of doctors soon. |
| 18:45.16 | mgeary | in another note, however, had we not gone into Iraq, and put that money into government healthcare (medicare/medicaid), we could have funded it completely for something like the next 20 years |
| 18:45.52 | brasto | am i the only one that gets bugged when people put #[someletter] in their address? |
| 18:46.13 | brasto | "I live in number L" |
| 18:46.16 | brasto | ??? |
| 18:46.34 | DexterTheDragon | brasto: are people not allow to live in apartments? |
| 18:46.40 | SunSparc | Look, letters are not numbers. |
| 18:46.56 | brasto | yes, but living in an appartment doesn't make it a number DexterTheDragon |
| 18:47.22 | brasto | you can say 'Appt B' instead of '#B' |
| 18:48.18 | brasto | people who live in apartments experience something mythical that suddenly turns their apartment letter into an number? |
| 18:48.29 | mindjuju | we should prolly put that in the constitution, All must type Appt B and not #b |
| 18:48.41 | brasto | maybe that means their apartment is really a variable.... |
| 18:48.41 | mindjuju | and axe should never be axe, but ax |
| 18:48.48 | brasto | yes, mindjuju that ' |
| 18:49.02 | brasto | that's the way it ourghta be |
| 18:49.09 | brasto | :) |
| 18:49.23 | brasto | that and you don't axe people questions. |
| 18:49.30 | DexterTheDragon | can I still spell colour with a u? |
| 18:49.51 | mindjuju | nope, and theatre is Right Out! |
| 18:50.13 | brasto | but centre is ok ;) |
| 18:50.15 | brasto | jk |
| 18:50.24 | DexterTheDragon | theatre and theater actually have different meanings |
| 18:50.37 | brasto | DexterTheDragon has a good point |
| 18:52.22 | DexterTheDragon | theater is a building theatre is performing arts |
| 18:53.06 | brasto | and theatrical something a theatre can become |
| 18:53.26 | mindjuju | dagnab Princeton thinks its a building - http://www.google.com/search?q=define+theatre |
| 18:54.10 | DexterTheDragon | yeah they get used interchangeably |
| 18:55.53 | wps | it's a pet peeve of mine as well, brasto |
| 18:56.52 | brasto | cool! anyone else agree? |
| 19:00.26 | brasto | lol |
| 19:00.52 | wps | wouldn't a pound sign in front mean that the place was condemned? |
| 19:00.55 | wps | commented out |
| 19:01.12 | wps | or at least that the mailman should skip over it? |
| 19:01.31 | wps | a sign that you are out of town and that you want the post office to hold your mail |
| 19:02.05 | brasto | yes, and the rest of the address that is on the same line, too. |
| 19:08.09 | brasto | ~poundletter is not how to put your address. Instead, the address has a letter, simply omit the extra # char. |
| 19:08.10 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 19:08.16 | brasto | ~poundletter |
| 19:08.17 | jbot | well, poundletter is not how to put your address. Instead, the address has a letter, simply omit the extra # char. |
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| 19:13.46 | mindjuju | ~apb olds |
| 19:13.46 | jbot | ACTION summons Beth to spray mace at olds |
| 19:17.53 | DexterTheDragon | ~seen olds |
| 19:17.58 | jbot | olds is currently on #uphpu. Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 1d 3h 13m 46s, last said: 'great track'. |
| 19:20.56 | mindjuju | true, except that we keep missing each other |
| 19:21.04 | mindjuju | he may be present, but we seem to miss |
| 19:29.39 | wps | I can branch from a specific revision number, right? |
| 19:29.48 | wps | (with SVN) |
| 19:31.06 | tierra | yes |
| 19:31.56 | Trevyn | that fact that "Professional employer organizations (PEOs) have been one of the fastest-growing business services in the United States. The responsibilities of being an employer are increasingly complex, and business owners need help." |
| 19:32.06 | Trevyn | You ever heard of a PEO |
| 19:32.06 | Trevyn | ? |
| 19:32.23 | olds | sup |
| 19:32.30 | mindjuju | olds ! |
| 19:32.31 | DexterTheDragon | HAHA I found him |
| 19:33.13 | mindjuju | olds PM sent |
| 19:40.33 | wps | :( |
| 19:40.40 | wps | I just received an assignment to design an HTML email |
| 19:41.04 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart HTML emails |
| 19:41.04 | jbot | takes out HTML emails with the trash |
| 19:41.34 | josephscott | wps, where do you work again? :-) |
| 19:41.49 | wps | Omniture |
| 19:42.46 | wps | tierra: just specific a rev number with the copy? like this? |
| 19:42.52 | wps | svn copy -r ### |
| 19:45.41 | olds | toroise svn makes that much easier |
| 19:46.05 | josephscott | for windows users tortoisesvn is awesome |
| 19:46.06 | wps | but I love the command line |
| 19:46.09 | DexterTheDragon | but then you have to use windows and that makes everything else harder |
| 19:47.11 | josephscott | I had 3 non-tech people using tortoisesvn. once they got used to it, they loved it |
| 19:47.14 | wps | although I am interested in trying this once it is out of beta: http://www.versionsapp.com/ |
| 19:47.36 | josephscott | helped that I wrote up simple docs on how to do the most common things |
| 19:48.12 | josephscott | wps: agreed, that looks cool, but it's been vaporware for a long time now |
| 19:48.18 | wps | yup |
| 19:48.36 | wps | I still probably wouldn't use it though |
| 19:48.40 | wps | it's the command line for me |
| 19:49.42 | josephscott | the one thing I've found really compelling for an svn gui is browsing the history |
| 19:49.58 | josephscott | it's much easier to skim through the history, view the log for a revision and then keep going |
| 19:50.06 | wps | probably true |
| 19:50.16 | josephscott | which is mostly what I use trac for (besides the ticket system) |
| 19:51.57 | wps | go me |
| 20:13.18 | Trevyn | wps, are you moving to building H? |
| 20:13.25 | wps | no |
| 20:13.25 | Trevyn | or are you staying in the current one? |
| 20:13.47 | Trevyn | What halloween department were you in? |
| 20:14.02 | wps | halloween department? |
| 20:14.15 | Trevyn | The jail group? Disney? or Pirates? |
| 20:14.43 | wps | oh, none of those |
| 20:14.45 | wps | I'm in marketing |
| 20:23.42 | wps | have you guys seen IE not including submit in the post array? |
| 20:23.58 | wps | (the submit button) |
| 20:24.00 | wps | this is the first I have experienced this |
| 20:24.33 | DexterTheDragon | wps: does it have a name? |
| 20:24.38 | wps | yes |
| 20:24.41 | wps | name="submit" |
| 20:24.54 | DexterTheDragon | that was my only idea |
| 20:25.44 | wps | I figured it out |
| 20:25.52 | wps | if type="image" it doesn't include it |
| 20:25.55 | wps | if type="submit" it does |
| 20:25.58 | wps | piece of crap browser |
| 20:41.59 | thebigdog | anyone have a xerox workcentre? |
| 20:43.08 | mindjuju | we have the docutech and a sharp mx3501 |
| 20:43.14 | mindjuju | if i remember correctly |
| 20:44.07 | orsonj | we have a couple c2424's that both died during a power outage |
| 20:45.05 | orsonj | nice printers, but the fact that a power outage completly hosed them sucks big time. |
| 20:45.18 | wps | man I love using a versioning system for web development |
| 20:45.28 | wps | so nice to be able to roll back the entire site if something goes wrong |
| 20:45.32 | orsonj | yep, nice |
| 20:45.53 | wps | thebigdog is so lucky |
| 20:46.17 | thebigdog | why is that? |
| 20:46.23 | wps | he gets to see me in person tonight |
| 20:46.29 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 20:48.26 | wps | I also love that I have a log of everythign that changed on the site |
| 20:48.39 | wps | every file that was add, modified, moved, or deleted |
| 20:48.45 | wps | svn log -v |
| 20:48.45 | SunSparc | And good comments, if you take the time to do that sort of thing |
| 20:48.50 | wps | indeed |
| 20:49.23 | PoeticIntensity | Man.... I better get svn installed here... Things are getting big quick. |
| 20:49.33 | PoeticIntensity | I've never installed svn, though. |
| 20:49.48 | PoeticIntensity | bad mojo for someone who's been in web dev for more than 5 years. |
| 20:49.49 | thebigdog | it is pretty easy |
| 20:49.58 | thebigdog | i love using svn for more than web stuff |
| 20:50.01 | wps | I've found it quite easy |
| 20:50.04 | thebigdog | i use it for sys admin too |
| 20:50.31 | wps | use this -> http://svnbook.red-bean.com |
| 20:50.34 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a question for ya'll..... I hope I can phrase it so as to not cause mass confusion... |
| 20:50.38 | PoeticIntensity | (will do, wps) |
| 20:50.50 | thebigdog | i have used svn to build servers too |
| 20:50.52 | PoeticIntensity | I've currently got two servers. DEV and PROD (development and production) |
| 20:50.53 | thebigdog | that is killer cool |
| 20:51.09 | PoeticIntensity | both are completely separate LAPP stacks. |
| 20:51.14 | PoeticIntensity | each with their own db... |
| 20:51.23 | PoeticIntensity | I do all my dev work on DEV, of course.... |
| 20:51.37 | PoeticIntensity | and pushing code / images / files to PROD from DEV is easy... |
| 20:51.46 | PoeticIntensity | but since PROD is the only db getting hit / updated / etc... |
| 20:51.58 | PoeticIntensity | how is the best way you've found to keep the db on DEV synced with the one on PROD? |
| 20:52.17 | PoeticIntensity | did that make sense? |
| 20:52.19 | wps | I also love the deployment script I wrote. It rsyncs from DEV to STAGING and then asks for a Y or N to proceed. You can check the code in a browser on STAGING and if it's good, you strike Y in the terminal and it proceeds to push the code to PRODUCTION. It's so nice. |
| 20:52.37 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, you need to keep "change scripts" |
| 20:52.43 | wps | that's a headache I have here, PoeticIntensity |
| 20:52.55 | PoeticIntensity | this is the 2nd time I'm running into this... |
| 20:52.58 | PoeticIntensity | and I've got some ideas... |
| 20:53.03 | PoeticIntensity | what are changescripts, thebigdog ? |
| 20:53.11 | thebigdog | here is how i deal with the dbs |
| 20:53.18 | thebigdog | first create a baseline |
| 20:53.22 | wps | we have a CMS on production so every couple of weeks we have to sync the prod DB down to the dev DV |
| 20:53.24 | wps | DB |
| 20:53.26 | thebigdog | from your production db |
| 20:53.45 | thebigdog | you create a script that will rebuild the db |
| 20:54.01 | tierra | for dev/production |
| 20:54.03 | thebigdog | tierra heartbeat check it out |
| 20:54.15 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, put that file in svn |
| 20:54.19 | thebigdog | that is your baseline file |
| 20:54.23 | PoeticIntensity | ok |
| 20:54.32 | thebigdog | then you create change scripts to that db |
| 20:54.37 | thebigdog | that you run against the db |
| 20:54.51 | tierra | thebigdog: I didn't mean for HA use... I mean for my personal computer |
| 20:54.55 | thebigdog | so that baseline is the install script then you run the updates/changes to it after |
| 20:55.22 | PoeticIntensity | because I don't have svn installed, nor any time currently to install / learn it.... |
| 20:55.35 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, you have too |
| 20:55.36 | PoeticIntensity | I was thinking of doing something along those exact lines using cron jobs. |
| 20:55.43 | thebigdog | you have to make time so that you will get more time |
| 20:55.49 | thebigdog | cron is fine |
| 20:55.51 | PoeticIntensity | without a doubt. |
| 20:55.55 | tierra | i.e. so I can install my appropriate SSL script, and according to the server, it really thinks it's serving up the live site, but it's not |
| 20:56.02 | thebigdog | you just have to make sure that everyone is doing updates to the ddl |
| 20:56.05 | thebigdog | that is the key |
| 20:56.14 | PoeticIntensity | cron will do what I need now..... but I will definitely make time to learn svn in the near future. |
| 20:56.20 | PoeticIntensity | what is a "ddl", thebigdog ? |
| 20:56.28 | thebigdog | data definition language |
| 20:56.33 | tierra | since there's stuff that relied on the host being what it is, and not dev.site.com or whatever |
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| 20:56.52 | thebigdog | so basically i write update/change scripts to the db |
| 20:57.00 | thebigdog | then i run all those scripts on production |
| 20:57.07 | thebigdog | tag those scritps to a baseline |
| 20:57.16 | thebigdog | and then you move that baseline down to dev |
| 20:57.19 | thebigdog | start the process over |
| 20:57.25 | PoeticIntensity | yup.... |
| 20:57.25 | thebigdog | and i tag the software at the same time |
| 20:57.38 | thebigdog | so i have app/db on the same baseline tag |
| 20:57.48 | thebigdog | and i only branch from a tag |
| 20:58.16 | PoeticIntensity | well good, bro.. Sounds like I wasn't too far off in my ideas of how to tackle the problem. |
| 20:58.20 | thebigdog | i have the process automated for it all to run against the dbs |
| 20:58.27 | thebigdog | nope |
| 20:58.29 | PoeticIntensity | nice.... |
| 20:58.38 | thebigdog | then i always make sure that i can rebuild the db fast |
| 20:58.53 | PoeticIntensity | luckily, this db is quite small. |
| 20:58.58 | thebigdog | so i only backup the data in the db |
| 20:59.02 | thebigdog | i have the ddl in svn |
| 20:59.13 | thebigdog | so it is really easy to recover if the db is lost on the server |
| 20:59.28 | mindjuju | ~flip thebigdog |
| 20:59.29 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 20:59.30 | thebigdog | and then you can migrate your live data from production down to dev for testing |
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| 21:21.33 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you there? |
| 21:23.22 | mindjuju | sup foo |
| 21:25.03 | SunSparc | s/sup/I pitty the/ |
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| 21:27.47 | timinator | afternoon all |
| 21:27.58 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
| 21:28.25 | timinator | gave my wife the morning off.... |
| 21:28.31 | timinator | played Mr Mom all morning |
| 21:28.33 | timinator | whew |
| 21:28.46 | timinator | I couldn't do that job all the time |
| 21:29.38 | brasto | ~give timinator a copy of Mr. Mom |
| 21:29.38 | jbot | ACTION gives a copy of Mr. Mom to timinator |
| 21:29.52 | timinator | haven't seen it |
| 21:29.55 | timinator | *shrug |
| 21:30.05 | brasto | I don't remember it much, but i remember it was funny |
| 21:30.20 | timinator | I did, however, see I am Legend just the other day |
| 21:30.30 | timinator | KILLER movie |
| 21:30.31 | mindjuju | meh, what's to remember, dude had job, dude gets fired, wife played by terri gar still working |
| 21:30.40 | mindjuju | dad stays home, and tries to deal with family |
| 21:31.00 | timinator | hmmph |
| 21:31.19 | mindjuju | feeds baby chilli in an infamous scene, baby has a huge prob and everybody evacs the house in fear of what baby will do with belly full of chilli |
| 21:31.34 | mindjuju | next scene is Michael keaton wearing gas mask and removing diaper |
| 21:31.36 | mindjuju | funny show |
| 21:31.38 | brasto | The only 2 scenes I remember: 1) Mr. Mom wears a clothes pin on his nose when changing a diaper. 2) Kid keeps pulling dads shirt and saying "excuse me" until Mr. Mom says "WHAT!", then the kid says, "I farted". |
| 21:32.27 | brasto | mindjuju: that's probably the scene i remember with the clothespin on his nose. |
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| 22:23.25 | dataw0lf | timinator: you should read the book, the movie butchered I Am Legend. |
| 22:24.00 | dataw0lf | the first 45 minutes or so were true to form |
| 22:24.09 | dataw0lf | it seemed to be headed into the right place |
| 22:24.28 | dataw0lf | they were even dropping hints to the book ending |
| 22:24.35 | dataw0lf | then they completely screwed it up |
| 22:24.35 | dataw0lf | *sigh* |
| 22:26.45 | mgeary | ~complain dataw0lf |
| 22:26.49 | mgeary | ;) |
| 22:32.33 | timinator | I'll have to get the book then |
| 22:32.37 | timinator | :) |
| 22:39.22 | dataw0lf | mgeary: one of my favorite books, with great social allegory. The movie gutted it. I was in extremely high anticipation mode for that movie, and was let completely down. |
| 22:39.40 | dataw0lf | The fact that the first part was fairly consistent made me even angrier because I was so excited that they had gotten it right. |
| 22:40.05 | dataw0lf | compared to the four, five times the book has already been made into a movie. |
| 22:40.06 | mgeary | LOTR, i suppose |
| 22:40.44 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty sure that I Am Legend started and ended with different writing staffs. |
| 22:40.53 | dataw0lf | because why even put in the part where the vampires are becoming intelligent? |
| 22:41.11 | dataw0lf | that's at the CORE of the book, and it spent a lot of time on that in the movie during the first part. |
| 22:42.11 | dataw0lf | I guess the ending of the book was so depressing frigging Hollywood had to give it an upbeat ending. Completely destroying anything intellectual the audience could take away from it. |
| 22:42.15 | dataw0lf | Le sigh. |
| 22:44.10 | wps | the part that bothered me the most about I Am Legend was why on earth didn't he get into the vault with the girl and the kid? |
| 22:44.45 | SunSparc | He wanted to join his wife and kid. |
| 22:45.23 | wps | if he wanted to join them then why didn't he commit suicide earlier? |
| 22:45.38 | SunSparc | His work was not finished yet |
| 22:45.47 | SunSparc | He had to find the cure first. |
| 22:45.57 | wps | eh⦠|
| 22:46.10 | wps | true, but still don't buy it |
| 22:46.17 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:46.19 | SunSparc | ok |
| 22:46.19 | wps | it was done just for stupid theatrics |
| 22:46.41 | wps | I think in real life the person would have pulled the pin on the grenade and then gotten in with the girl and boy |
| 22:46.47 | dataw0lf | that whole part was ridiculous |
| 22:46.55 | dataw0lf | and the thirty minutes before it too |
| 22:47.23 | wps | there is plenty of time between when you pull the pin and when it goes off |
| 22:49.45 | SunSparc | I don't see that little grenade obliterating every one of the vampires that was in that room. Must have been some amazing grenade technology. |
| 22:53.50 | dataw0lf | well first a grenade fuse doesn't start when you "pull a pin" |
| 22:53.53 | dataw0lf | it's when you release the spoon |
| 22:54.04 | dataw0lf | and yea, I think though that there were combustible elements in that lab |
| 22:54.06 | dataw0lf | still |
| 22:54.15 | dataw0lf | it wouldn't have been the wave of death the movie made it out to be |
| 22:55.08 | dataw0lf | grenades concuss and have a lot of frag, but they're not the fiery explosion Hollywood likes to believe they are |
| 22:56.27 | dataw0lf | one of the major points of a fragmentation grenade is that you can clear a room and then enter quickly |
| 22:56.36 | dataw0lf | without fear of having a fiery vault of death inside |
| 22:57.10 | dataw0lf | you use incendiary grenades for that :) |
| 22:58.37 | SunSparc | Exactly |
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| 23:16.26 | timinator | I'm out guys.... later |
| 23:17.31 | mgeary | hey bea |
| 23:17.34 | mgeary | rats |
| 23:17.36 | mgeary | beandog's out |