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00:07.29influx^^lo?
00:08.11influx^^a quick pointer, i'm looking for.
00:45.11herloburnin: anyone can come.  announcement will be made next wk early on
00:46.58herloanother flight, yippee  NOT!
01:06.13herlomy flight is not leaving the ground for at least 15 more minutes
01:06.21herlosuck!
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14:53.09mindjujugreets gents
14:54.09herlogee, class is inexperienced this week.
14:55.15mindjujuwhat class you teaching today?
14:58.51herloHP250
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16:11.30wpsmorning, Ray
16:11.35thebigdogmorning
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17:17.43brastohey guys, if i'm calling a js function on somefunction(this.id), but I change my mind and want to call it from a siblint to 'this', is there something like previousSibling.id i can call?
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17:21.11thebigdogbrasto, what are you trying to do
17:21.59brastoit's on a web page unavailable to the public, but it does this now:
17:22.26brastotake text from current element (this) and copy it into another <div> element
17:23.00brastonow they want me to use an image next to the text and use the image to copy the text to another div, so i can't use 'this' anymore.
17:23.12brastolike, building a playlist.
17:24.07optikalEasily solution: name "this" id and the image id-image, then pull id on this and append -image.
17:24.35brastoah, and i'm already cliping an id from the sibling... that'll be easy
17:24.52brastotx optikal
17:24.59optikal*Easy
17:25.07optikalyw
17:30.10brastosweet, that took a few seconds.
17:30.16brasto~give optikal a raise
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19:11.15thebigdogwhat irc server is xmission on or do they have there own?
19:11.27optikalirc.xmission.com
19:11.40thebigdogty
19:48.08mindjujuthebigdog , you still around?
19:48.45thebigdogyes
19:48.50thebigdogim always here
19:48.51thebigdog;)
19:49.26mindjujuthebigdog PM sent
20:08.16macnewbold~cookie
20:08.35mindjuju~give cookie to macnewbold
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20:08.41macnewboldawww, shucks
20:09.04macnewbold~give mindjuju a cookie too
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20:09.46macnewboldso what's the usual price diff  between cat5e and cat6 these days? last time I bought 1000 ft for about $75-80 if I remember right
20:10.16mindjujuif anybody knows of a place w/ good prices on the whole setup: box of cable, terminators, wall plate -- let me knwo
20:10.32herlogreybar
20:10.39mindjujuhmm.. cat 6 i'm seeing at 1000ft is 150
20:10.45mindjujuwhere did you buy yours macnewbold
20:10.58herlomindjuju: I got 500ft for about 80, sounds about right
20:11.32mindjujuherlo, do you have url for greybar?
20:11.36mindjujudon't seem to come up in google
20:12.13herlothey are in Orem IIRc
20:12.22herlolemme look
20:12.58mindjujuk, i was spelling graybar wrong, my bad
20:13.07mindjujui think its graybar
20:13.12macnewboldI bought cat5e, not cat6
20:13.16herlomindjuju: greybar
20:13.24herloI just got the first hit
20:13.29herloright
20:13.33herlograybar
20:14.16macnewboldI don't remember where I got the last one
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20:19.36swboptikal, you around?
20:19.52optikalswb: I am.
20:20.17swbI was wondering about the google mini, didn't you say you just installed it recently?
20:20.28wps:)
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20:45.20thebigdoganyone here using shared mail folders?
20:53.37SunSparcthebigdog: "shared mail folders" as in multiple user accounts using the same mail files and folders for their email clients?
21:11.19fungusthebigdog: not for a while.  I once used it to create a global spam reporting folder.
21:11.38thebigdogSunSparc, multiple users accessing the same folder
21:11.52wpsthat sounds dangerous
21:12.01SunSparcthebigdog: what is the purpose?
21:12.11SunSparcWhy not just create a group account?
21:12.31thebigdogi dont see that option in cpanel
21:12.41fungusBecause group accounts are more complicated to the end-user
21:13.02fungusAnd sharing passwords is ugly and unsafe
21:13.04SunSparcthebigdog: A group account is just an account that multiple users access.
21:13.40thebigdogwith same username/password
21:13.50SunSparcthebigdog: For example, make the username: "humanresources" with a password they all have.  Then all hr mail goes to that user and they can all add that POP/IMAP account to their client.
21:13.54SunSparcYes
21:14.31SunSparcLess to worry about
21:14.32thebigdogyeah i was thinking that
21:14.35wpsinstead of an actual account, wouldn't it be cleaner to just create an alias that forwards that mail to all HR people?
21:14.51thebigdogwell that taxes the server
21:14.53SunSparcwps: that is another solution too
21:15.05SunSparcwps: But then there is no collective repository
21:15.07thebigdogand it means i have to manage those aliases
21:15.11wpswho cares about the server… let google worry about it
21:15.15fungusand duplicates data all over the server
21:15.24SunSparc:)
21:18.13wpsI agree with that, fungus
21:18.22wpsand how do you know if someone has already replied to the request?
21:18.43wpsthat's why I don't think that mail such as hr@example.com should go to multiple people
21:19.10SunSparcYeah, one IMAP account.
21:19.12wpsit should go to one person that addresses it or forwards/assigns it to someone else to address it
21:19.35wpsgroup aliases/accounts should be reception-only
21:19.59wpsif you want the recipients replying, then you should use a mailing list
21:20.10herloto a point anyway.  If the company is small enough, it shouldn't really matter :)
21:20.24herlobut in general I agree
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21:29.25mindjujuk, so i found a company with what seems like pretty good prices, and I was all ready to order me some cat 6, RJ6, and a crapload of terminators whenI stumble on this -->  http://www.fourpair.com/item--Cat-5e-and-RG-6-Composite-Cable-1409X0--1409X0
21:29.37mindjujuanybody want to argue for or against the use of this?
21:30.16SunSparcmindjuju: What model are the terminators?
21:31.00mindjujuwell, if i buy this, then its RJ45 since the cable is cat 5e
21:31.03SunSparcIf you have a choice, get the chick versions, they kick tail!
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21:31.22mindjujuif i decide not to go with this, i have to buy the special kind for cat 6, which i can't rmeember off hand
21:31.38mindjujuoh, i get it
21:31.39mindjujuhar har
21:31.49mindjujustill haven't seen that movie
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21:31.53mindjujuthough heard it was decent
21:32.17SunSparcI haven't either, actually.  Heard the same.
21:32.37mindjujuso since you have commented, want to comment on the cable?
21:33.20SunSparcThat is a pretty cool cable.  Although, what are you going to use the RG-6 parts for?
21:33.27mindjujusat tv
21:34.11mindjujujust realized earlier i said RJ 6, I mean RG6
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21:34.13SunSparcNice, I cannot say what a good price is.  Been a while since I bought cables.
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21:34.14mindjujuwas typing too fast
21:35.05mindjujuwell, wiring house with coax and ethernet trying to think long term without killing myself on the price
21:36.31jsmithmindjuju: Then just run conduit...
21:36.38SunSparcmindjuju: yeah, seems like a good idea.  Although have it all together may be a problem if you have to replace just one of them in the future.  Makes it easier to run and deal with initially though.
21:37.31SunSparcMakes it easier to modify things later.
21:37.38mindjujuhouse is already built, can you run conduit after sheetrock on?
21:37.54SunSparcSure, much much harder though.
21:37.55jsmithmindjuju: That's the downside :-(
21:38.19mindjujuor nano-termite bots w/ self-destruct
21:38.37mindjujuwould hate for those beasties to go rogue
21:41.41wpsare there any version control systems that keep a history of deleted files?
21:41.59mindjujuwebdav does AFAIK
21:42.09PoeticIntensitydoesn't svn keep track of those, too?
21:42.13wpsis WebDav a version control system?
21:42.29wpsno, SVN only keeps changes, not deleted
21:42.37wpsonce you delete, it is removed from version control
21:43.18xilch|wwps: I don't think it removes the history
21:43.31synicit definitely doesn't
21:43.46wpsonce you svn rm a file, there is no way to bring it back, is there?
21:43.52synicyeah, there is
21:43.55wpsthere is?
21:43.56wpshow?
21:44.09synicyou can checkout with a revision number, and if the file existed at that revision, it will checkout just fine
21:44.27wpshow do you find the rev number for that file?
21:44.38wpsa svn log on the file gives you nothing since there is no longer a history for it
21:44.58synicsvn log in the base directory will show it
21:56.15thebigdogsvn uses webdav too
21:56.54SunSparcsvn CAN use webdav.
21:57.33herlo:)
21:58.11thebigdogsvn uses webdav cause it is not full deltav complaint
21:58.20herlok
21:58.36herloor why it complains
21:58.57thebigdoghttp://www.webdav.org/deltav/
21:58.57herlo:)
21:59.18thebigdoghow it deals with deltas between files
21:59.29thebigdogversioning
21:59.54herlooh, interesting
22:00.04herlowhat are the major diffs?
22:00.08thebigdogthis is actually a good read too - http://subversion.tigris.org/webdav-usage.html
22:00.19herloyeah, read that before
22:01.19thebigdogi just now that some svn commands are webdav commands
22:01.39thebigdogproppatch, copy
22:01.42thebigdogdelete
22:01.44thebigdogand some others
22:02.02thebigdogand i think some of the properties are webdav too
22:02.38thebigdoglike the neglected "comment"
22:03.07mgeary~cornnuts DexterTheDragon
22:03.08jbotACTION sends DexterTheDragon out for CornNuts™ for everyone. "Mmm, extra crunchy!"
22:10.00mgearywell, wait for Dex to come back, i guess
22:10.05mgearyhurry!
22:15.07wpssynic: how that I have the file back, how do I get it back into the active repository?
22:15.41wpsI get an error trying to commit it
22:16.00wps"now that I have…"
22:23.12thebigdogyou need to do a check at that revision in another location
22:23.21thebigdogcopy the delete file into your current head
22:23.25thebigdogthen add and commit
22:23.25wpsah
22:23.42thebigdogrevision can be tag or branch too
22:23.55wpswhat about this approach?
22:23.55wpshttp://wellington.pm.org/archive/200510/svn/slide13.html
22:24.39thebigdogyou can do that
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22:35.47beandogI'd rather be playing Neverwinter Nights
22:38.37SunSparc~fernpee the cornnuts
22:38.42mgearyWTH! "Chili Picante?!" take these back, DexterTheDragon!!
22:39.00wpswell, that guy's example didn't work for me, thebigdog
22:39.12thebigdoghaha
22:39.18thebigdogdid you change the access portion
22:39.23thebigdogthat as via files
22:39.26DexterTheDragonHEY! you didn't specify the type before I left so thats what you get.
22:39.27wpsbut checking out just the folder that that file was in into a different location and then copying the file I needed over worked
22:39.33thebigdoghow do you access svn? via apache?
22:39.36wpsfile
22:39.50thebigdogdid you have the location correct
22:39.54wpsyeah
22:40.21wpsoh, I see what I did wrong
22:40.26thebigdogthat is how i use to do it in cvs so i just keep doing that
22:40.28wpshad the wrong rev number
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22:40.36thebigdoghaha
22:40.38wpsI'm good
22:43.11macnewboldbeandog: how's work today?
22:43.21timinatorI've got a dozen years experience, and yet I still hit the DMV today
22:43.21beandogmacnewbold, meh
22:43.24timinator:/
22:44.17beandogtiminator, like with your car?
22:44.20macnewboldouch
22:44.26macnewboldthey take points away for that I think
22:44.33timinatorno
22:44.44timinatorwith a mini-van
22:44.50timinator:)
22:55.11SunSparclater all
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23:33.56timinatorI'm out....later guys

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