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03:37.38beandoganyone awake
03:42.10thebigdogi am
03:45.43beandoghola, thebigdog
03:45.43beandogwanna critique a page for me?
03:45.43beandog:D
03:46.02thebigdogsure
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15:18.40timinatormorning guys
15:19.28timinatorI've got to add someone to my list of Apache authorized users..... so they can access a web dir that uses HTTP auth.....
15:19.35timinatorand I can't remember the steps
15:19.44timinatoranyone know off the top of their head?
15:20.01mgearyhtpasswd /path/to/passwd/file username
15:20.10timinatornice, thx
15:21.45timinatorperfect.... thank you so much
15:22.51mgearyyup
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15:48.21thebigdogmorning all
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15:57.41timinatormorning thebigdog
15:57.50thebigdogwhatz up bro
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16:26.09mindjujudell PowerEdge T105 - $269 on Slickdeals.net - looks like a steal
16:26.17mindjujumight have to get this for the home network
16:35.13timinatorthebigdog: nada, just workin'
16:35.38SunSparcNah, just get a Mac Mini.  Smaller footprint, among other features.
16:35.55SunSparcFor only twice the price
16:35.57SunSparc:)
16:36.08thebigdognot bad mindjuju
16:36.22timinatorI have a friend, who's parents are having to sell their trailer..... if anyone is interested or knows someone who's interested:   http://ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=2918324&cat=149
16:36.30mindjujuyeah, that's what i was thinking
16:37.12mindjujumy current fileserver has been operational since 1999, might be time to set it up as a backup server and replace it with something newer
16:37.24timinatorsoo...... you have to deal w/ WinXP, *AND* you have to pay $269
16:37.38timinatorhmmmmmm
16:37.39mindjujutiminator, doesn't come with an OS
16:37.45timinatorah
16:37.53timinatorwell, that's a plus
16:37.59timinator:)
16:38.02mindjujuyou can buy it straight up and slap ubuntu or something and go
16:38.07mindjujugood 'n cheap
16:38.38timinatorI'm just giving you crap mindjuju... it sounds like a smart move
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16:39.21mindjujuwell, while I was reviewing everything that has to happen this week, I found out I get to be in Las Vegas tomorrow night for an hour
16:39.23mindjujuyipee!
16:39.38timinatorthere ya go
16:39.58timinatorVegas Buffets ++
16:40.10mindjujui wonder if they have gambling in the airport?
16:40.25timinatorthey have gambling EVERYWHERE
16:40.30timinatorare you kidding me?!?
16:40.43mindjujunever been
16:40.58timinatoryou have to pass a roulette table to pay for fuel at the pump
16:41.00timinator:)
16:41.05SunSparcEven in the gas stations if you are just driving through
16:41.23timinatorLOL
16:41.30timinatorwhat a timesaver
16:41.32timinator!!
16:41.42mindjujui mean, you've got a chair, and you're sitting there, might as well have a slot machine
16:41.46beandogmindjuju, youve never been to vegas?
16:41.52mindjujunope
16:41.57beandogwow
16:42.01beandogwatch out for the hookers
16:42.38timinatorLOL
16:42.51mindjujuhonest?
16:43.02timinatoryes mindjuju
16:43.07mindjujusurely not in the airport
16:43.13beandogmindjuju, just dont accept any flyers
16:43.15timinatoryou could go soooo many places with this conversation
16:43.18timinatorhehe
16:43.41beandogisnt prostitution legal in nevada?
16:43.42SunSparcJust keep it in Vegas.
16:43.54beandogand not in this channel
16:44.14timinatoryes beandog
16:44.45timinatorthey're called cat houses
16:44.48timinatoror bunny ranches
16:44.51timinatoror something
16:46.04mindjujuit's funny, i hear conflicting reports all the time about vegas
16:46.12beandogI love Vegas
16:46.16beandogmindjuju, just use common sense, and youll be fine
16:46.18mindjujusome say, there is stuff to avoid everywhere, and some say, it's no big deal
16:46.28mindjujuyeah, that's what I was thinking
16:47.00timinatorwhere's dataw0lf, he's a NV resident
16:47.13timinatorping: dataw0lf
16:47.19beandogmindjuju, be sure to check out the Star Trek Experience
16:47.36SunSparcNevada is not Vegas and vice versa.
16:47.40SunSparc:)
16:47.51SunSparcYeah, the Star Trek Experience was fun.
16:48.14timinatorya, but I bet he's more familiar than most in this channel simply due to proximity
16:48.26SunSparcIn fact, Vegas (the city) and Vegas (the strip) are two different worlds.
16:48.28timinatorand the fact that many of the laws apply to him
16:48.41timinatorno argument
16:48.56mindjujuSunSparc, they may explain why i hear such varying stories about what LV is like
16:49.12SunSparcmindjuju: Quite likely.
16:49.18mindjujuunless something is within walking distance, I prolly won't leave the airport
16:49.26mindjujujust over an hour layover
16:49.38SunSparcI have been there many times and have friends that live their.  Off the strip, it is just like any other big city.
16:51.10mindjujubrb gents
16:53.29SunSparcMay not be worth the walk for an hour, but there is plenty within walking distance of the airport.
16:53.58SunSparcThe airport is just off the strip.
16:54.16SunSparcThe Luxor is just a couple blocks away.
16:54.40SunSparchttp://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=36.092043,-115.163884&spn=0.020703,0.043817&t=h&z=15
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17:16.41beandoghttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/23/funny-pictures-bad-solz-go-to-basement/
17:18.44beandogoh man
17:18.47beandoghttp://www.lefthandedtoons.com/191/
17:18.51beandog^^ that's me right there. :D
17:18.52brastoi have a variable called obj in my javascript function called getCategoryLinks(somevar). I get a js error that says 'obj has no properties' - presumably because the php sql on the server doesn't have any results, but i could be wrong.  Here's the javascript:
17:19.28brastohttp://mscis.org/js/ajax.js
17:20.02brastotest
17:20.09brastomy text isn't posting???
17:21.04beandogbrasto, its fine
17:22.00brastofunny, colloquy showed that someone responded to me, but my window shows no text, so i can't see your response...
17:22.41brastook, i changed styles twice, now i can see text here...
17:23.21brastotx for saying that beandog, you saved me some troubleshooting time...
17:23.26SunSparcbeandog: That left-handed toon is awesome!
17:23.36beandogSunSparc, :D
17:24.12thebigdoganyone ever build a security dvr with linux?
17:24.39brastoanyone see anything obviously wrong with that js?
17:24.39SunSparcbrasto:  That happens to me sometimes with Colloquy.  I have to quit and relaunch.
17:25.09SunSparcthebigdog: please define "security dvr"
17:25.30brastoSunSparc: i right-clicked in the area above where i type the message, and changed the style then changed it back
17:25.36brastoyou might try that next time
17:25.38thebigdogSunSparc, video camera security system
17:25.44thebigdoglike for office/store
17:25.49SunSparcbrasto: Cool, thanks.
17:26.02thebigdogbeandog, have you ever done one?
17:26.10SunSparcthebigdog: Ah, right.  No, I have not done that before.
17:27.00beandogthebigdog, a security dvr?  yah
17:27.05SunSparcPoeticIntensity might have some ideas though.  He has done a bit with MythTV and Linux for his home theatre.
17:27.06beandogI hope you mean, a secure one.
17:27.26thebigdogwell im wonder how hard they are to build
17:27.27beandogtop that!
17:27.30brasto~fix my problem
17:27.31jbotACTION opens the hood of my problem , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars."
17:27.34beandog:)
17:27.35beandogj/k
17:27.47beandogactually it wasnt a PVR.  fail.
17:28.49SunSparcthebigdog: Do you already have all the cameras?  I would assume you need some kind of "switch" that all the video feeds come into before they can be mananged by any video software.
17:29.04thebigdogyeah
17:29.14orsonjIt isn't secure, you can see the camera and the cable running to the computer is easily visible and you could carefully unplug the camera before getting your mug. but it was fun anyway.
17:31.21orsonjon the positive side, I have nearly 50 thousand pictures and it hasn't used a full Gig of drive space yet.
17:31.44orsonjon the negative side, I haven't looked at most of those 50 thousand pictures.
17:37.32brastook, maybe y'all can answer this one:  I have one class and one function here:  http://mscis/mysqli.phps - neither work... anyone know why?
17:38.21bradymbrasto: we can't see it without a real domain name :)
17:38.34brastodoh!
17:38.42brastohttp://mscis.org/mysqli.phps
17:38.48thebigdogorsonj, ty for the  info
17:40.26brastosearch the page for 'function does not work' to find the function that doesn't work ;)
17:40.55brastoor for 'prepareSectionStmt()'
17:51.30orsonjI need to fix the script to put the pictures in different folders based on year/month. Opening a folder with 40000 pictures in it makes nautilus unhappy.
18:03.11thebigdogyeah i hit the limit on files in a directory with images once on linux
18:03.44thebigdogthat was a great scripting issues
18:04.40brasto'a great scripting issues'?
18:05.26brasto~put another 40000 pix in orsonj's folder
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18:06.58thebigdogput - instead of / in the filename creation
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18:07.26PoeticIntensityheh....
18:07.27thebigdogso it dumped 60,000+ images in various directories
18:07.44PoeticIntensitysome construction crew just hit a main line and cut through it outside our building...
18:07.50PoeticIntensitychaos ensued... :)
18:08.09PoeticIntensityInternet / phone / email / etc.... = *down*
18:08.41PoeticIntensity(sorry to cut into any conversation you were having)
18:21.44timinatorthat sucks PoeticIntensity.... so what are you using to connect?
18:21.57PoeticIntensitywe've got two connections to our office....
18:22.00PoeticIntensityonly one was cut.
18:22.17PoeticIntensity90% of the people here use the cut one, so we've gotta switch everyone over.
18:22.34PoeticIntensityI was one of the lucky 10% (that, and I know how to tweak Internet settings)
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18:34.38mindjujubromine, fungus?  that's pretty cool to use element names.  I use scientists over here.
18:35.27mindjujui know a guy who used Jetson names like elroy, etc...
18:37.07fungusOur AIX boxes use politicians.
18:37.39mgearyis that so you can curse them and feel good about it?
18:37.51fungusPartially, yes.
18:38.33fungusThough some are a bit "off".  dubya, and lewinski
18:39.28fungusI also pick the nasty elements for SQL Server and Exchange, like sulfur, arsenic, barium.
18:39.47mindjujuheh, that's funny fungus
18:40.11mindjujuso let me guess, dubya is MS Exchange?
18:40.36mindjujutoo funny
18:40.39fungusNo, politicians is for AIX servers.  elements are Win/Lin.
18:40.55fungusSulfur is SQL server,   Krypton is Exchange.
18:41.06fungusArsenic is another SQL server
18:41.35mindjujuhey brasto, did you get an answer on your JS question?
18:42.22brastonot yet
18:42.29bradymgiven the ./configure command for PHP at http://rafb.net/p/zHQRcJ17.html - anyone know what line 4 is doing?
18:42.31brastonor the php questions
18:57.41SunSparcbradym: I assume you are asking about "i386-portbld-freebsd5.4".  I am not sure why that would be specified.
18:58.03SunSparcIs it causing problems?
19:03.11bradymyeah, that's what i'm talking about.. as far as i know it's not causing problems... just have no idea what it does. We're doing some testing/debugging on a couple of servers to try and figure out why pages are 10% bigger from one than from the other.. just trying to get an understanding of what i'm looking at
19:04.41SunSparcbradym:
19:05.01SunSparcThat parameter looks more like a signature.
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19:47.42bradymk, thanks SunSparc
19:47.49SunSparcnp
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20:23.40mindjujufor those of you with a free moment on a usually packed monday, this is less than 2 minutes of funny - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHaBNStwp1A
20:26.34SunSparcScary
20:26.41mindjujuyeah
20:26.57mindjujulike that car starting to do cartwheels that goes around the guy standing there
20:26.59mindjujucrazy
20:27.14SunSparcThey should name it, "People who have guardian angles".
20:27.23SunSparcangels even
20:27.30mindjuju:)
20:28.28brastodoh!
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21:55.53beandoghttp://consumerist.com/371600/the-man-who-owns-donotreplycom-knows-all-the-secrets-of-the-world
21:55.58beandoghey macnewbold, ping
21:56.15macnewboldbeandog: pong
21:56.57thebigdog~flush beandog
21:56.57jbotACTION flushes beandog like beandog was yesterday's lunch
21:57.10thebigdog~flip timinator
21:57.11jbotACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|.
21:57.26beandoglet's see, yesterday's lunch
21:57.31beandogI think it was a hostess ding dong.
21:57.33timinatorbout time....
21:57.41timinator~flip back to thebigdog
21:57.42jbotACTION gives back to thebigdog the .|.. ..|.
21:58.08thebigdog~crap timinator
21:58.19thebigdog~roll timinator
21:58.19jbotACTION stuffs timinator in a hamster ball and rolls it down a steep, snow-covered mountain
21:58.21timinator~poo thebigdog
21:58.22jbotACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at thebigdog
22:02.18beandogwow
22:02.21beandognetflix has been down all day
22:02.23beandogthat can't be good.
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22:13.42thebigdogherlo you around?
22:19.37herlothebigdog: sorta
22:22.34DexterTheDragonherlo shared that crap with me :S
22:22.59thebigdoghehe
22:23.01thebigdogsicko
22:23.13thebigdogthat is why i sat across the room
22:23.37herlosorry
22:24.42herloI thought I was getting over it, but no...!!!
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22:56.36Lone_WandererHi!
22:56.45Lone_WandererHow's it going?
22:56.52mindjujuwhat up bro!
22:56.57mindjujugoing well, how about yourself?
22:57.24Lone_WandererI'm doing pretty well.
22:57.40Lone_WandererI'm at Ft. Eustis learning to repair Apaches.
22:57.46Lone_WandererIn case that news hadn't reached you.
22:58.12mindjujuI knew you were somewhere you didn't want to be
22:58.20mindjujuFt. WasteOfTime or something like
22:59.02macnewbold~tlapd
22:59.03jbotfrom memory, tlapd is Talk Like A Pirate Day.  Its celebrated each year on Sep. 19.  Its TALK like a pirate, not BE like a pirate, Arr!
22:59.26mindjujusup macnewbold
22:59.39mindjujulittle bird tells me you got HD TV in your office
22:59.39Lone_WandererFt. Useless.
22:59.44Lone_WandererThe fixing helicopter part is cool though.
22:59.56mindjujuyeah, what's not to like about Apaches?
23:00.12mindjujuWe have a couple fly overhead from Camp Williams every now and again
23:00.14mgearyyeah, just think if you had to fix flying IIS's
23:00.18mgearyhahahahahahaha
23:00.50mindjujuyeah, flying IIS would spend more time in maintenance then flying
23:00.52macnewboldmindjuju: yeah, we did. it's quite fun. the guys decided to spend part of the bonus pool on it and a nice surround sound system. 61" HDTV plus good surround makes for a very fun movie experience
23:01.03Lone_WandererApaches spend more time in maintenance than flying, actually.
23:01.07mindjujuthat's freakin' awesome!
23:01.14mindjujuand a netflix account too?
23:01.17Lone_WandererWell, counting man hours, but you can have like ten guys working on it at once.
23:01.18SunSparcI heard Apache's are junk compared to the Cobra's.
23:01.21macnewboldwe're going to be starting up a new series of "lunch and learn" opportunities, so we can study the Jedi arts
23:01.32macnewboldwith an hour at a time star wars marathon
23:01.39macnewboldlater we'll study hobbits too
23:01.48macnewboldyeah, we're planning on getting a netflix acct
23:01.56SunSparc:)
23:01.56macnewboldhaven't yet, but it's pretty quick and easy to set up
23:02.07mindjujuI wished they'd have opted for the Comanche, i played that flight sim style
23:02.10mindjujuthat was awesome
23:02.17SunSparcI still the the Apache's are pretty cool though.
23:02.18Lone_WandererWhat was the Comanche?
23:02.46SunSparcRAH-66 Comanche:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAH-66_Comanche
23:02.48mindjujui think it started out as Apache replacement
23:02.57mindjujuthx SunSparc!
23:02.59Lone_Wanderermacnewbold: I understand that hobbits have a fascinating social structure.
23:03.36SunSparcmindjuju: np, this is more cool though:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-1_Cobra
23:03.43macnewboldyeah, not to mention hairy feet
23:04.09macnewboldwe're planning to show all three extended LotR movies here sometime
23:04.15unumI think this is the nerdiest conversation I have ever seen
23:04.17Lone_Wanderernice
23:04.23Lone_WandererMakes me wish I were back there.
23:04.34Lone_WandererIn Utah, I mean.
23:05.29macnewboldunum: you must not come here often?
23:05.35macnewboldwe can get lots nerdier than this if we try
23:05.42mindjujuyeah, true that
23:05.43SunSparcA day of LotR would be sweet!
23:05.44macnewboldbut you're right, this is pretty good :)
23:05.51Lone_WandererSo, which do you guys think would win in a fight - the Borg or the Death Star?
23:05.52unummacnewbold: I guess I probably lurk most of the time
23:06.12macnewboldpick a day, and we'll have everyone over
23:06.12Lone_Wanderer(That's my contribution to the nerd factor, stale as it is.)
23:06.15SunSparcLone_Wanderer: Death Star, totally!  Unless the Borg sneak up on them
23:06.24Lone_WandererThat's what I say too.
23:06.30SunSparcNah, Death Star still.
23:06.33Lone_WandererI guess if the Borg got onboard the Death Star, they'd win.
23:06.44SunSparcOh, yeah, that is true.
23:06.50Lone_WandererThey'd just assimilate everyone, except of course Darth Vader and the Emperor.
23:06.51SunSparcThey would own if the got on borad.
23:06.53macnewboldwe just haven't gotten around to scheduling a day or evening to have all our fellow geeks join us for some fun times
23:07.00Lone_WandererWho could probably kill everyone on board - even the Borg - if they had to.
23:07.08macnewboldbut we'd love to, almost any time, and probably make it regularly scheduled
23:07.15mindjujuBorg v Death Star?
23:07.21mindjujupsh, Death Star all the way
23:07.26SunSparcLone_Wanderer: That would be one sweet movie.
23:07.26unumno way borg
23:07.37mindjujuwith the laser that could crispy fry a planet?
23:07.46mindjujuhow much bigger is a planet than borg cube?
23:08.00unumthey can adept to the laser
23:08.03mindjujuthe borg cube would be 100% bathed in laser hawtness
23:08.15unumafter a few ships got melted
23:08.25mindjujunah, too much power me thinks
23:08.33Lone_WandererSee everyone says that the Borg would adapt, but honestly
23:08.34macnewboldI'm not so sure - the borg wouldn't send just one cube at the death star, and the DS can only shoot one at a time
23:08.37Lone_Wandererthere's not enough time
23:08.50Lone_WandererI guess if you allow the Borg several ships.
23:08.54macnewboldso the borg would adapt, get through the shields, and land their boarding party,
23:09.00Lone_WandererI was thinking just one cube.
23:09.00macnewboldby the time half their forces were dead
23:09.02mindjujulike in first contact, the different fed ships are shooting lasers at the cube and doing small damage, but in relative size of the laser from star trek, to that of star wars, the whole cube would be engulfed
23:09.09macnewboldthen they assimilate Darth Vader and it's all over
23:09.25Lone_WandererI submit that Darth Vader is not assimilate-able.
23:09.28Lone_WandererAssimilable.  Whatever.
23:09.44mindjujudarth would fry them from 100 feet away
23:09.51macnewboldof course, the cube has shields, and there's not really a frame of reference for how resistant the borg shields to the death ray from the death start
23:09.52macnewboldstart
23:09.54macnewboldstar
23:10.07macnewboldyeah, I guess vader has too much hardware already
23:10.12mindjujudeath star would spank borg like naughty puppy
23:10.13macnewboldmaybe the emperor?
23:10.24unumdarth vader has a history of betrayal
23:10.31macnewboldwho needs adapting shields when you ahve the force, right?
23:10.39unumhe'd betray the emperor for the borg
23:10.43Lone_WandererI just think that, being as strong as they are in the Force, they'd be able to resist assimilation and/or fry the Borg just by looking at them mean.
23:10.47unumhe's already part borg
23:11.05Lone_WandererThe guys with dumb helmets would be toast though.
23:11.14unumthe force looks like an enegry weapon to me :)
23:11.26unumI guess they could throw them....
23:11.44Lone_WandererIt's not though, it's based on the life force that surrounds us and binds us together.  Weren't you paying attention?!?
23:11.46Lone_Wanderer;)
23:11.48SunSparcI think this conversation warrants several hours of logistical research and in depth debate.
23:11.55mindjujuyeah, plus with the force, you could get all kinds of objects and lauch them at the borg drones
23:12.00Lone_WandererI concur wholeheartedly!
23:12.28mindjujuk, now lets talk about something really important
23:12.44mindjujulike Slave Girl Leia v 7 of 9 or however you say her name
23:12.51Lone_WandererSlave Girl Leia
23:12.52macnewboldouch
23:13.02Lone_Wanderer7 of 9 is too...
23:13.09Lone_WandererWell.  Slave Girl.  *shuts mouth*
23:13.09mindjujuyup, Slave Girl Leia - wow factor 5 of 5 points
23:13.19unummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm slave girl leia
23:13.21macnewboldthat's almost like asking "really revealing outfit" vs "extremely skin-tight outfit"
23:13.24unumuh forget I said that
23:13.25mindjujuon attack cability 5 of 5
23:13.42Lone_WandererYeah but also there's... well.
23:13.45Lone_WandererNever mind.
23:13.49mindjujuheh
23:13.56Lone_WandererAre there any girls here?
23:14.04Lone_WandererWhere's swb?
23:14.06mindjujunope, swb is gone
23:14.17mindjujui could call her in here though if you want
23:14.22Lone_WandererNo no it's okay.
23:14.29SunSparclol
23:14.39Lone_WandererI just think that 7 of 9's breasts are FAR too large.
23:14.57mindjujuhilarious!
23:14.57SunSparcAsset or Hinderance?
23:15.01Lone_WandererHinderance.
23:15.20SunSparcCat fight or ranged weapons?
23:15.26mindjujucat fight of course
23:15.30SunSparcLOL
23:15.37mindjujuk, enough of that one, here is next
23:15.42mindjujuData v R2D2
23:15.48unumr2d2
23:15.50SunSparcHmm
23:15.55mindjujuyup, that's what I think
23:15.58SunSparcThat is tough.
23:15.59unumkzin v puppeteer
23:16.07Lone_WandererData.
23:16.08mindjujufirst, r2d2 can mesh with any computer
23:16.10Lone_WandererNo wait...
23:16.17timinatorI'm out... later guys
23:16.19SunSparcR2 is the Bomb, but data has that emotion chip and is super stron.
23:16.19mindjujuthen, he's got that oil spirt and fire
23:16.34Lone_WandererData is tough and has arms, but R2D2 has what I believe is known as a "character shield".
23:16.35mindjujuhe's been gnawed on by big swamp creature and spit out and still kicked it
23:16.58mindjujuhas a karma +5 against all kinds of shots at him
23:17.01SunSparcYeah, R2 is tough.
23:17.11mindjujuliek in Empire at the end, 20 people shooting at him and they all missed
23:17.12SunSparcHe rocked in episode 3.
23:17.13Lone_WandererR2D2 has the "always lands upright regardless of the odds against it" thing going for him, too.
23:17.22mindjujuyup
23:17.41mindjujuk, so here is next
23:17.44mindjujuRiker v Han Solo
23:18.10Lone_WandererHas anyone here seen Night Watch?
23:18.23mindjujunope, any good?
23:18.26Lone_Wanderer(Sin Warning: It has bare breasts in a non-sexual context.)
23:18.37Lone_WandererOnce I got over the fact that it wasn't going to be a typical American movie, yes.
23:18.37SunSparcSolo.  Riker is a pansy
23:18.38mindjujuHS would spank Riker, by the way
23:19.01SunSparcmindjuju: amen
23:19.15Lone_WandererThe previews looked like it was going to be another Matrixish thing (only awesome, unlike the sequels) but it was story-heavy and action-light.
23:19.40Lone_WandererWoo!  php is finally done installing.
23:19.44Lone_Wanderer(New server.)
23:20.43mindjujuk, last geek question, this is by far the absolute hardest question i've asked thus far
23:21.09mindjujuif a building was on fire and you had enough time to go in and grab one person, who would it be, Wesley Crusher or Jar Jar Binks
23:21.14mindjujui personally hate the both
23:21.18Lone_WandererGrab one person to save?
23:21.21mindjujuwesley was too smarmy for me
23:21.26mindjujuyeah, one person to save
23:21.27Lone_WandererAnd we're talking the character, not the actor?
23:21.35Lone_WandererAnd we have to pick one, we can't let them both die?
23:21.35mindjujuyup, the character, not actor
23:21.50mindjujuLone_Wanderer - i'd take that as an answer
23:21.59mindjujupossibly the only *right* answer
23:22.10Lone_WandererWell, I'd go with Wesley regardless.   He shows promise.
23:22.25Lone_WandererI hate him too.  But at least he has potential.l
23:22.47mindjujuyou know that's true, Jar Jar will always be a goof
23:23.05Lone_WandererSee?  Ease and grace. ;)
23:23.22mindjuju:)
23:44.17SunSparcNight all!  Happy Star Trek vs Borg dreams!
23:48.27*** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49)

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