| 00:00.11 | mindjuju | so, i was thinking it'd be fun to go to Tucanos in SLC for next geek lunch, but in the spirit of full disclosure, it's a Brazilian restaurant that specializes in various meats. Now, it is possible to purchase something that isn't meaty, like they have a salad bar in all, but my question is, Would this bug you? |
| 00:00.46 | fungus | No that wouldn't bug me. |
| 00:00.52 | beandog | Im offended already. |
| 00:01.15 | beandog | alright, nn all |
| 00:01.27 | mgeary | they've got an awesome buffet |
| 00:01.32 | mgeary | with non-meat offerings |
| 00:01.45 | mindjuju | oh good! you're the only Vegetarian I know on here, and want to be careful with your needs |
| 00:02.31 | mindjuju | now, I have an email that Tucanos WANTS to be forwarded to everybody where if you fill out quick survey or something, they give you $10, that could easily cover the cost of the buffet, AFAIK |
| 00:02.31 | mgeary | pish. you never care about my needs, mindjuju, and i'm the only, uh, the only... um 37-year-old on the list! |
| 00:02.43 | mindjuju | heh! |
| 00:02.56 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:03.12 | mgeary | ah well, so much for that |
| 00:03.17 | mindjuju | are you vegetarian too mgeary? didn't notice / wasn't watching what you were eating |
| 00:03.34 | mgeary | nope. i've got no principles guiding my pickiness |
| 00:13.16 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, email that Tucanos coupon to me! |
| 00:13.19 | PoeticIntensity | I love that place! |
| 00:13.46 | mindjuju | fo sho bro, just getting ready to send it out to group, and announce next month geek lunch early so the gift cards have time to get to us |
| 00:13.51 | mindjuju | how you been? |
| 00:15.36 | mindjuju | actually, might take me a couple hours to get this email to the mailing list out, why don't you PM me your email addy and i'll send it directly to you so you get it soon |
| 00:18.34 | mindjuju | oh, it takes 6 weeks! crap! |
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| 13:57.07 | mindjuju | your up early swb |
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| 15:04.34 | mindjuju | dude, talk about getting ripped a new one -- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,339270,00.html |
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| 15:16.27 | mindjuju | fungus, have you checked out boingboing this mornign? |
| 15:16.41 | fungus | Nope just got int |
| 15:16.43 | mindjuju | this vid is pretty cool - http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/03/19/how-to-hack-an-rfide.html |
| 15:17.56 | fungus | yikes |
| 15:19.53 | fungus | cool wallet |
| 15:20.08 | mindjuju | yeah, seems like i saw one on thinkgeek |
| 15:22.14 | fungus | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/8cdd/ |
| 15:22.19 | fungus | not as cute though |
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| 15:40.50 | brasto | #udbug has a record high attendance today - 8 people! |
| 15:41.40 | brasto | only 25% of those are bots... |
| 15:41.43 | timinator | thanks for the vid mindjuju |
| 15:41.47 | timinator | and the link fungus |
| 15:41.54 | timinator | LOL brasto |
| 15:42.17 | mindjuju | brasto - did you have a meet yesterday? |
| 15:42.28 | brasto | yep |
| 15:42.37 | mindjuju | what was it on? |
| 15:43.43 | brasto | there were 5 people including me, the presenter, (eggyknap) and macnewbold - the host, but i think that's pretty good for a new group. |
| 15:43.58 | brasto | wps, how many were at the first few uphpu meetings? |
| 15:44.02 | mindjuju | what was the topic? |
| 15:44.04 | fungus | brasto: suggestion 1. put event information on the udbug.org website 2. Put mailing list information on the website. |
| 15:44.46 | brasto | i have event info, but i just noticed i forgot to post yesterdays meeting on the website... |
| 15:44.52 | fungus | Also put IRC info on the website |
| 15:45.08 | fungus | The March calendar is blank |
| 15:45.15 | brasto | i'll post the mail list and irc on the website, and update events. we have the next 2 months planned |
| 15:45.27 | brasto | yep, i forgot to put in March's event... |
| 15:47.06 | wps | 10-15 |
| 15:47.17 | wps | the first year or so |
| 15:47.45 | wps | and then 20 ish for a while the next couple |
| 15:48.49 | brasto | cool |
| 15:49.20 | brasto | maybe wps is just really good at marketing... |
| 15:50.24 | timinator | they need to make one of these that's an actual digital voice recorder..... w/ Bluetooth: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/9c69/ |
| 15:54.58 | orsonj | Think of it like a DIY computer. It's $30 for the case, $30 for some random bluetooth headset. Then crack open the cases, mix 'n' match. Viola! Killer Awsome Bluetooth Communicator. |
| 15:55.44 | timinator | it'd be even cooler if it were a TNG communicator |
| 15:55.56 | orsonj | yep |
| 15:56.15 | orsonj | The parts are actually small enough, it might be possible to put one together. |
| 16:00.35 | mindjuju | timinator - http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/bluetooth-star-trek-communicator-025437.php |
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| 16:02.05 | timinator | dang, that's cool |
| 16:02.10 | mindjuju | timinator - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQvBBZnlZo |
| 16:02.10 | timinator | I'd totally use it too |
| 16:02.13 | timinator | all the time |
| 16:02.14 | mindjuju | that's totally cool |
| 16:02.57 | orsonj | still can't find one in the style of TNG |
| 16:03.37 | orsonj | Did see an earbud one though |
| 16:03.40 | timinator | it'd be much tougher to make one in TNG style |
| 16:03.44 | timinator | but it'd be a hit |
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| 16:20.44 | RedHeron | I wish I knew more about electronics... I know how a TNG-style bluetooth communicator could work, I just don't have either the equipment to make it work nor the electronics skill to simply put it together out of an existing bluetooth headset. |
| 16:25.49 | mindjuju | swb , wps or any other Canon 20D owner, if you have a moment? |
| 16:25.53 | fungus | There is still a problem of speader on it though. |
| 16:25.58 | wps | yes? |
| 16:26.00 | fungus | s/speader/speaker/ |
| 16:26.31 | mindjuju | wps, have you seen a compartive between the 20D and the Rebel 10.1MP XTI |
| 16:26.33 | fungus | That small it would sound like crap, unless you ran a wire from it to your ear. |
| 16:26.51 | wps | yes, but couldn't point you to it |
| 16:26.53 | wps | considering a purchase? |
| 16:27.13 | wps | this is the best review site: http://www.dpreview.com/ |
| 16:27.18 | mindjuju | yeah, slickdeals just posted XTI for $319 no lens |
| 16:27.27 | mindjuju | i have Canon SLR lens though, so i'm good |
| 16:27.37 | wps | I would get the rebel if you're a hobbiest |
| 16:27.49 | wps | I personally can't stand a plastic body, but for most people the pro line is overkill |
| 16:28.31 | timinator | that think was a tank |
| 16:28.34 | mindjuju | hmm... you're right i have read reviews abot the lightness of the camera |
| 16:28.44 | mindjuju | and that the plastic of the XTI was an issue for some |
| 16:28.47 | timinator | s/think/thing/ |
| 16:29.06 | wps | mostly depends on how much you use it and what you will be using it for |
| 16:29.35 | mindjuju | not pro, like for a living, but would nice to have a good setup |
| 16:29.39 | mindjuju | loved photography in college |
| 16:30.06 | PoeticIntensity | so, brasto, what was the udbug meeting on? |
| 16:30.25 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity, not worth asking, i've asked 3x, never got an answer |
| 16:30.46 | brasto | it was on pgsnmp |
| 16:31.02 | brasto | an open source product written by eggyknap |
| 16:31.09 | brasto | for monitoring postgres |
| 16:31.11 | mindjuju | oh cool! |
| 16:31.28 | brasto | yea, it was pretty cool |
| 16:31.40 | PoeticIntensity | I wish I would have known about it. |
| 16:31.43 | PoeticIntensity | I probably would have come. |
| 16:31.49 | PoeticIntensity | what's the IRC channel? |
| 16:31.55 | brasto | #udbug |
| 16:32.03 | brasto | are you on the mail list, PoeticIntensity ? |
| 16:32.07 | PoeticIntensity | I am not. |
| 16:32.14 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 16:32.15 | PoeticIntensity | I believe I joined once upon a time.. |
| 16:32.20 | PoeticIntensity | one of the first, but... I didn't get anything. |
| 16:32.52 | mindjuju | actually, now that I think on it, i think i'm on the mailing list too, but didn't get anything |
| 16:33.39 | orsonj | I also like http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/ |
| 16:34.17 | mindjuju | thx for saying that orsonj, didn't notice the link posted earlier |
| 16:34.39 | orsonj | I slightly prefer digitalcamerainfo.com over dpreview |
| 17:03.22 | unum | so is there a place to go to get cool textures for html buttons |
| 17:04.59 | mindjuju | unum - what graphic program are you using? |
| 17:05.14 | mindjuju | i ask because fireworks comes with some and you can go to fireworks exchange to get more |
| 17:05.38 | mindjuju | i think photoshop has been added to Exchange so that it mayhave textures too now |
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| 17:10.18 | unum | mindjuju: I only have free software products |
| 17:11.26 | mindjuju | so does that mean you're doing your buttons in inkscape, or gimp, or... |
| 17:13.56 | SunSparc | ... or Paint? |
| 17:14.19 | mindjuju | where be my manners! true that SunSparc, or Paint! |
| 17:14.25 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 17:14.56 | mindjuju | you know, that for some reason reminded me of that one program, Printshop and Printshop Pro |
| 17:15.00 | mindjuju | do you remember that one? |
| 17:15.08 | mindjuju | that let you make banners using a dot matrix? |
| 17:15.17 | SunSparc | Yeah, used to use that back in the day. |
| 17:15.22 | SunSparc | Wow, that was a long time ago |
| 17:15.36 | mindjuju | yeah, don't know why that came back, good times though |
| 17:16.05 | SunSparc | Yeah, I printed a banner for my room and it took about 30 minutes to print. |
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| 17:38.40 | unum | well right now my buttons are default buttons |
| 17:39.00 | unum | we used to have printshop and printmaster |
| 17:39.03 | unum | I loved those programs |
| 17:39.42 | unum | I think we had print master on the commodore and printshop on the ibm |
| 17:40.58 | mindjuju | unum, if you're looking for something CSS based, you may want to try |
| 17:41.05 | mindjuju | .button {color:white; background-color:#336699; font-size:80%;} |
| 17:41.15 | mindjuju | give your buttons that class and they take on the style |
| 17:41.36 | mindjuju | <form><input type="submit" class="button"></form> |
| 17:42.11 | unum | mindjuju: well the thing is I don't want them to look that way anymore |
| 17:42.13 | mindjuju | i like it cause its lightweight, helps page to load faster |
| 17:42.21 | unum | I want to do more interesting things with them |
| 17:42.26 | unum | ya that's true |
| 17:43.01 | mindjuju | now, since I'm no wps and design for me is harder, when I do need to step it up, i go here |
| 17:43.02 | mindjuju | http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&text=button |
| 17:43.19 | mindjuju | its cheap and fast |
| 17:43.23 | unum | thanks |
| 17:43.25 | mindjuju | cut around the edges and go! |
| 17:44.16 | mindjuju | remember to use png or gif for buttons so that you can have the non button region be transparent, v important if you aren't using white for background |
| 17:46.08 | unum | ya |
| 17:47.04 | brasto | anyone know a good utility for a mac to get the length of mp3 and video files? |
| 17:47.13 | brasto | not one at a time... |
| 17:47.59 | brasto | e.g. batch-return lengths of mp3 and or all video files in a directory |
| 17:48.13 | brasto | ~wake #uphpu |
| 17:48.28 | wps | not sure about audio files, but for video you could use the CLI version of Handbrake |
| 17:48.55 | brasto | ~google handbrake |
| 17:48.59 | wps | s/could/should be able to/ |
| 17:49.15 | brasto | ~wiki handbrake |
| 17:49.15 | wps | http://handbrake.fr/ |
| 17:49.21 | beandog | theres lots of cli mp3 tools to get that stuff. |
| 17:49.44 | SunSparc | "Put down that cocktail..." |
| 17:51.52 | beandog | wps, how many did you get ripped? |
| 17:51.59 | wps | about 110 |
| 17:52.06 | wps | just over half my collection |
| 17:52.11 | mindjuju | wps! dude, i didn't know you were looking for HDD, frys has crazy sells going on |
| 17:52.12 | wps | I have just shy of 200 |
| 17:52.19 | mindjuju | 750g PATA for $130 |
| 17:52.27 | wps | I need SATA |
| 17:52.32 | mindjuju | there some SATA prices, but can't recall, hang on |
| 17:52.57 | wps | there is a 1 TB, 32 MG cache, 72 RPM that I want for $250 |
| 17:53.00 | SunSparc | brasto: Yes, I run my iTunes lib off a network drive at work. |
| 17:53.15 | wps | but I'll have to wait a month or two to get it |
| 17:54.10 | mindjuju | well, if you want the 1T, that's one thing, but Frys has WD 750G SATA for $140 |
| 17:54.26 | wps | what's the cache? |
| 17:54.33 | beandog | yah |
| 17:54.35 | beandog | get that one |
| 17:54.38 | beandog | 16 mb cache |
| 17:54.40 | beandog | SATA 2 |
| 17:54.42 | beandog | newegg has em too |
| 17:54.52 | wps | newegg.com is the best |
| 17:54.58 | beandog | its always around $150 |
| 17:55.03 | beandog | Thats what I have |
| 17:55.08 | beandog | like 4 of em or so |
| 17:55.19 | beandog | they work really well |
| 17:55.22 | beandog | don't run very hot. |
| 17:55.35 | wps | excellent |
| 17:55.43 | beandog | and theyre quiet |
| 17:55.56 | mindjuju | and everybody is getting them |
| 17:56.21 | mindjuju | <peer pressure>Get it!</peer pressure> |
| 17:56.35 | mindjuju | jk, me argues fiscal solvency first, always |
| 17:56.56 | mindjuju | tha's why i've been waiting nearly 3 years for a decent digital SLR |
| 17:58.10 | wps | I'd have bought it last week, but we just bought a 4Runner so that completely drained the budget |
| 17:58.10 | brasto | anyone know if itunes can play flv files? |
| 17:58.23 | wps | nearly positive it can't |
| 17:58.37 | mindjuju | brasto, VLC can |
| 17:58.41 | mindjuju | VLC ++ |
| 17:59.01 | SunSparc | VLC can play anything |
| 17:59.58 | wps | even a digerydoo? |
| 18:00.09 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:00.25 | mindjuju | especially digerydoos! |
| 18:00.26 | wps | I have no idea how you spell that |
| 18:00.48 | dataw0lf | didjeridu |
| 18:00.53 | wps | thanks |
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| 18:11.49 | brasto | ok.... how do i now remove the 2.4 days of audio that i added to itunes that i no longer want... only added to find out how much... |
| 18:12.00 | brasto | 'delete' doesn't do anything... |
| 18:12.13 | wps | you have to call Steve and get permission |
| 18:12.23 | wps | then send a delete command down from their servers |
| 18:12.32 | wps | s/then/they/ |
| 18:13.09 | brasto | steve? |
| 18:13.12 | brasto | ~steve |
| 18:13.12 | jbot | [steve] god |
| 18:13.15 | brasto | ah |
| 18:13.19 | brasto | ~jobs |
| 18:13.54 | brasto | i found it, can't delete in a smart playlist... |
| 18:13.59 | wps | correct |
| 18:14.13 | brasto | funny, itunes assumes all audio files are "music" |
| 18:14.27 | wps | that depends |
| 18:14.35 | wps | on what the extension is and how it was added |
| 18:14.36 | brasto | so if i record a chat with my dad and listen to it on itunes, it's "music"... |
| 18:14.43 | wps | not necessarily |
| 18:14.56 | brasto | if it's an mp3? |
| 18:15.09 | wps | if you download an audiobook from audible, it will add it to the audiobooks list instead of the music list |
| 18:15.18 | wps | yes, all mp3s are considered music |
| 18:15.45 | brasto | my itunes library doesn't have an audiobook section under "library" |
| 18:15.58 | wps | it's not enabled in your preferences then |
| 18:16.42 | wps | all .m4b files that are added correctly will show up in that list |
| 18:16.45 | wps | see http://dougscripts.com/itunes/scripts/scripts07.php?page=1#makebookmarkable |
| 18:17.16 | brasto | cook |
| 18:17.23 | brasto | s/cook/cool/ |
| 18:18.19 | brasto | ok, on handbrake for video... i know you said cli, but i thought i'd try the gui first just in case...but all the files are in subdirs... it doesn't traverse subdirs? |
| 18:19.34 | brasto | hmmm, handbrake doesn't like flv files |
| 18:20.30 | mindjuju | hmm... where be cole_joplin! |
| 18:22.18 | brasto | wps, can the handbrake cli handle flv files? |
| 18:24.26 | brasto | also, how to i access HandBrakeCLI from Terminal? |
| 18:26.28 | brasto | ~give fungus a sweedish fish, gently so it doesn't poke him in the eye |
| 18:26.48 | brasto | jbot, wazzup? |
| 18:26.48 | jbot | nothin` much |
| 18:27.10 | brasto | ~welcome someone |
| 18:27.27 | fungus | I think jbot had a lobotomy |
| 18:27.49 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 18:27.50 | jbot | whips out a sword and chops pelaofeliz in half |
| 18:27.56 | mindjuju | nope, seems functional |
| 18:28.07 | mindjuju | ~frenchassault macnewbold |
| 18:28.21 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt macnewbold |
| 18:28.29 | mindjuju | err... maybe your right fungus |
| 18:28.29 | brasto | ~chuckfact |
| 18:28.29 | jbot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 18:28.37 | brasto | at least that's still there... |
| 18:28.41 | mindjuju | ~toejam macnewbold |
| 18:28.55 | brasto | ~brastotack mindjuju |
| 18:30.50 | mindjuju | ~tunafart macnewbold |
| 18:32.49 | brasto | ~apb mgeary |
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| 18:43.59 | SunSparc | eh? |
| 18:44.14 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:44.30 | SunSparc | Blame the CDDB. |
| 18:46.51 | timinator | Love this song |
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| 18:50.22 | mindjuju | ~tunafart macnewbold |
| 19:00.33 | beandog | fungus, did you see that movie |
| 19:00.46 | fungus | Of course. I loved it. |
| 19:00.55 | beandog | yah? I gotta see that one. |
| 19:00.59 | fungus | So, much so, I bought the soundtrack |
| 19:01.09 | beandog | soundtracks++ |
| 19:01.16 | fungus | Speaking of... |
| 19:01.52 | beandog | now_playing[Peter Gabriel - Long Walk Home - The Tracker] length[0:13/2:48] |
| 19:03.45 | timinator | did you guys hear that Mac's had 24% of dollars spent in the PC market last year? |
| 19:04.20 | mgeary | yeah, and 14% of actual # of comps sold |
| 19:04.24 | mgeary | that's pretty huge |
| 19:05.05 | fungus | That sounds a bit higher than I would expect. Perhaps there is some number fudging going on. |
| 19:09.05 | unum | I bet it include portable devices |
| 19:09.31 | unum | so it's probably "consumer $" spent |
| 19:09.37 | unum | so excluding businesses |
| 19:10.23 | timinator | perhaps.... but I'm betting that it's the fact that there's a huge market of people that buy the cheapest machine around... a $400 PC |
| 19:10.27 | fungus | http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1000085-2001_a_space_odyssey/news/1688177/ |
| 19:10.38 | fungus | Arthur C. Clarke died yesterday. :( |
| 19:10.44 | timinator | but the guys buying cheap macs are usually spending $1,000 |
| 19:10.49 | burnin | sad day |
| 19:10.50 | RedHeron | NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 |
| 19:11.05 | *** join/#uphpu Trevyn (n=Trevyn@70.0.62.125) |
| 19:11.17 | timinator | so, that's a 2:1 price ratio |
| 19:11.22 | Trevyn | Check it out |
| 19:11.23 | Trevyn | http://www.utahwebstandards.com/top-10-seo-myths-explained/ |
| 19:11.38 | Trevyn | http://www.utahwebstandards.com/web-subcontracting-tips-1/ |
| 19:11.46 | Trevyn | let me know what you think |
| 19:11.58 | Trevyn | Are those points a utah standard? |
| 19:13.01 | mgeary | "In my opinion people who take cuts of other peoples income are dishonest" ?? |
| 19:13.17 | mgeary | you just made a case for getting rid of every manager in corporate America |
| 19:13.24 | Trevyn | You disagree? |
| 19:13.24 | mgeary | well, tried to make a case |
| 19:13.39 | Trevyn | Not if the manager is working... |
| 19:13.40 | mgeary | it's a very naive position |
| 19:13.55 | Trevyn | I think not, you missed the point obviously |
| 19:14.06 | Trevyn | Managers do have to do stuff |
| 19:14.11 | Trevyn | They can invoice for those things |
| 19:14.24 | RedHeron | Trevyn: you may want to clarify, because I actually came to the same conclusion. |
| 19:14.33 | Trevyn | You can put a line item for invoice preparation |
| 19:14.38 | mgeary | so the HR department at Omniture should have a line-item on their client invoices? |
| 19:14.56 | Trevyn | Are they contractors? or employees? |
| 19:15.15 | Trevyn | thanks for the feedback. |
| 19:16.05 | Trevyn | Should I make an ajustments or do you think that is clear? |
| 19:17.06 | mgeary | i think you should gain more experience and perspective before making black-and-white claims without hard substantiation |
| 19:17.18 | Trevyn | Who says I have not? |
| 19:17.20 | mgeary | me |
| 19:17.25 | mgeary | and i'm right |
| 19:17.32 | Trevyn | k, what would I need to share to validate my claims |
| 19:17.49 | mgeary | at the very least, you should couch your assertions in phrases like, "i believe", or "in my experience", or "it appears based on my experience" |
| 19:18.16 | RedHeron | Trevyn: you may want to stress also that this does not apply for employer/employee (e.g., W2) employees. |
| 19:19.12 | Trevyn | I dont mean to blunt, but isnt that in the title? |
| 19:19.17 | Trevyn | Sub Contracting? |
| 19:19.25 | Trevyn | I didnt say employing |
| 19:19.37 | RedHeron | The title is a "hook" and employment as a 1099 is still employment. |
| 19:19.47 | Trevyn | And mgeary thanks for your feedback, but I feel my stuff is 100% accurate tried and true. |
| 19:19.51 | RedHeron | It's a point that's easy to confuse. |
| 19:19.54 | mgeary | Trevyn: you're 26 |
| 19:20.00 | Trevyn | Ok Ill make the adjustment cool thansk |
| 19:20.16 | mindjuju | Trevyn - while you're making changes, I have 2 suggestions |
| 19:20.30 | Trevyn | Ive been self emplyed for 8 years |
| 19:20.33 | Trevyn | ok |
| 19:20.44 | mindjuju | first, your about page has word press default text and the intro is lorem ipsum |
| 19:20.56 | Trevyn | yeah, I know, I suck |
| 19:21.06 | Trevyn | Im still hashing out the mission statement |
| 19:21.09 | mindjuju | secondly, when quoting another blog, you prolly should VERY CLEARLY state you are quoting all the text from that blog |
| 19:21.13 | Trevyn | Me too, |
| 19:21.30 | Trevyn | but Im preatty sure I know how to whiipe my ass now. After a while some thing s you just know as true. |
| 19:21.31 | RedHeron | Quoting should ALWAYS include clear attribution. |
| 19:21.31 | mindjuju | otherwise, one may think that you are responding to his 10 points |
| 19:21.50 | mindjuju | just some points to consider |
| 19:22.01 | Trevyn | Great thanks |
| 19:22.14 | Trevyn | (1:21:25 PM) Trevyn: but Im preatty sure I know how to whiipe my ass now. After a while some thing s you just know as true. |
| 19:22.14 | Trevyn | this was not meant to be rude |
| 19:22.26 | Trevyn | Passionate about this topic I guess |
| 19:22.59 | RedHeron | Spelling is actually "wipe" by the way... knowing the right things and doing them are two separate things in many cases. |
| 19:23.12 | beandog | Trevyn, what kind of work do you do anyway |
| 19:23.39 | Trevyn | Variouse IT consulting, web app, design architecture, sys admin ect. |
| 19:24.07 | Trevyn | Any one care If I post the discussion here about the topic? |
| 19:24.18 | mgeary | yes |
| 19:24.21 | Trevyn | I think it would help clear up some of the same questions. |
| 19:24.27 | Trevyn | K I wont. |
| 19:25.14 | unum | but I'm not quite comfortable with the idea yet |
| 19:25.23 | unum | my brother told me he could send plenty of work my way |
| 19:25.38 | Trevyn | Ill be posting other tips soon |
| 19:25.40 | unum | but I want to have some substanstial savings before I do it |
| 19:25.48 | Trevyn | I think my goal is to promote going independatn |
| 19:25.55 | Trevyn | and help others learn from my exp and mistakes |
| 19:26.20 | Trevyn | So stay tuned for tip #2 |
| 19:26.44 | tierra | contract work sucks, I'd rather be employed |
| 19:26.51 | beandog | nooo kidding. |
| 19:26.59 | beandog | I'm still out hundreds from a contract. |
| 19:27.16 | RedHeron | And to date I've lost $140,000 on bad contracts. |
| 19:27.25 | beandog | oO |
| 19:27.25 | beandog | sheesh |
| 19:27.28 | Trevyn | Yeah, Ive got the postion for that dude |
| 19:27.28 | RedHeron | In 17 years. |
| 19:27.30 | beandog | RedHeron, how did that happen |
| 19:27.40 | RedHeron | Just bad contracts over time. |
| 19:27.41 | timinator | I've lost $0 on bad contracts |
| 19:27.43 | Trevyn | And part of utahwebstandards is to help stop that from happening |
| 19:27.52 | timinator | cause I have killer relationships w/ my clients |
| 19:27.52 | Trevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.54 | timinator | :) |
| 19:27.58 | Trevyn | WORD!! |
| 19:28.05 | tierra | really, I would have thought it was about promoting web standards... |
| 19:28.07 | beandog | RedHeron, suck, sorry man |
| 19:28.08 | Trevyn | tim, write up some tips bro |
| 19:28.18 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:28.23 | timinator | someday I might |
| 19:28.23 | RedHeron | It happens, and it's a matter of picking up new contracts. |
| 19:28.25 | Trevyn | standards in the industry tierra |
| 19:28.49 | RedHeron | If you have lost $0, then it's because you're not taking any risks. |
| 19:29.00 | Trevyn | The cotract negotion skill is hard learned. |
| 19:29.03 | unum | ya |
| 19:29.05 | timinator | ok |
| 19:29.12 | Trevyn | Matching contract styles to client/projects |
| 19:29.46 | fungus | I kinda like being a real employee. Medical insurance, 401k, pet insurance, use of company condo in Park City, cell phones + service, etc. |
| 19:29.47 | Trevyn | tim, could... start a business as a web contract negotiator |
| 19:30.07 | herlo | fungus: pet insurance? |
| 19:30.14 | Trevyn | That is a skill that alot of programmers lack , and dont go independat becuase they dont realize thats 90% of the job |
| 19:30.19 | fungus | Yup, big discount on pet insurance. |
| 19:30.27 | herlo | interesting |
| 19:30.34 | beandog | pet insurance? |
| 19:30.36 | fungus | It saved me $500 so far |
| 19:30.42 | Trevyn | Herlo, gave you a shout out! |
| 19:30.44 | beandog | are you serious? |
| 19:30.47 | beandog | fungus, what kinda pets you go |
| 19:30.48 | beandog | got |
| 19:31.04 | fungus | 2 dogs. Black Lab, and English Foxhound |
| 19:31.08 | mindjuju | when did anybody say anything about pet insurance? |
| 19:31.24 | fungus | Black Lab had to have surgery to have a sock removed from his intestine. |
| 19:31.34 | mindjuju | oh no! |
| 19:31.57 | Trevyn | IRC chat just dropped to a 3.5 ..jk |
| 19:32.08 | beandog | fungus, a sock? wtc? |
| 19:32.25 | fungus | Yeah, he seems to eat everything. :) |
| 19:32.30 | mindjuju | a sock is this thing made of cloth that some put on their foot |
| 19:32.41 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v dataw0lf] by ChanServ |
| 19:32.51 | fungus | You'd be surprised how many he was able to pass all the way through though. |
| 19:32.58 | mgeary | yo, dataw0lf |
| 19:32.58 | beandog | okay now THAT is gross |
| 19:33.06 | timinator | LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL |
| 19:33.19 | mgeary | ~introduce dataw0lf to Trevyn. "I'm sure you two will hit it off famously" |
| 19:33.32 | fungus | Anyway, my point was that the perks of being an employee are worth a ton. |
| 19:33.33 | dataw0lf | What's up? |
| 19:34.33 | dataw0lf | http://wifi.rgj.com/ first rails app at new job |
| 19:34.37 | RedHeron | contract labor vs employee status |
| 19:34.40 | beandog | especially if you have a dog that doubles as a vacuum :) |
| 19:35.00 | RedHeron | beandog: your dog sucks? |
| 19:35.16 | dataw0lf | I do contract and am a salaried employee. With some employers, you'll have conflicts of interest, with others, you won't. |
| 19:35.17 | beandog | RedHeron, I dont have a doggie. *sniff* |
| 19:35.21 | mgeary | dataw0lf: and your take on Rails vs. Django? |
| 19:35.27 | mgeary | beandog: i can hook you up |
| 19:35.40 | beandog | that's okay, I really dont wanna pick up poop. |
| 19:35.51 | beandog | ~poop |
| 19:35.51 | jbot | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 19:36.03 | timinator | mmmm I feel better already |
| 19:36.09 | timinator | what is that stinch?? |
| 19:36.19 | timinator | s/stinch/stench/ |
| 19:36.27 | Trevyn | (1:33:32 PM) fungus: Anyway, my point was that the perks of being an employee are worth a ton. |
| 19:36.27 | Trevyn | I agree |
| 19:36.28 | dataw0lf | mgeary: Well, I prefer Django, obviously. I think there have been a lot of mistakes made regarding Rails. Especially all-comprehensive issues |
| 19:36.41 | RedHeron | timinator; beandog forgot to shower again |
| 19:36.44 | Trevyn | dataw0lf: I do contract and am a salaried employee. With some employers, you'll have conflicts of interest, with others, you won't. |
| 19:36.44 | Trevyn | same |
| 19:36.45 | timinator | ah |
| 19:37.03 | beandog | mm, birthday cake |
| 19:37.06 | beandog | nom nom nom |
| 19:37.07 | dataw0lf | mgeary: That being said, migrations are, obviously, extremely useful. And I like how easy it is to do BDD / testing (ala RSpec) with Rails. |
| 19:37.23 | mindjuju | beandog, you coming to the meet tonight? |
| 19:37.47 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Tonight - PHP and Asterisk presented by utah_dave @ 7p | UPHPU | http://uphpu.org |
| 19:38.01 | beandog | mindjuju, nah, I have no real interest in asterisk ... Ill go to eat aftewards if you guys are going though |
| 19:38.23 | mindjuju | fo sho, dude, UPHPU Afterhours party is the best |
| 19:38.28 | mindjuju | look forward to it every month |
| 19:38.31 | beandog | toties. |
| 19:38.36 | beandog | mindjuju, gimme a call |
| 19:38.46 | dataw0lf | mgeary: of course, since it's Ruby, I think it's a lot easier to write a crummy app in Rails. Especially if you have a programmer who doesn't understand closures and Ruby's receiver-message paradigm. |
| 19:38.52 | mindjuju | PM over your cell, or does PoeticIntensity have it? |
| 19:39.01 | beandog | he's got it |
| 19:39.10 | beandog | I dunno if hes going tho |
| 19:39.11 | dataw0lf | I prefer merb, as far as Ruby frameworks go. |
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| 19:43.19 | RedHeron | Trevyn: Basic RADIUS user management and transaction processing... simple stuff with a custom (and undiscussable) twist. |
| 19:43.26 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt macnewbold |
| 19:43.27 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! macnewbold, I burst my pimples at you... |
| 19:43.39 | mindjuju | brasto, jbot all better |
| 19:45.02 | brasto | cool |
| 19:45.02 | fungus | ~status |
| 19:45.03 | jbot | Since Thu Mar 20 19:40:01 2008, there have been 0 modifications, 6 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 4 commands. I have been awake for 5m 1s this session, and currently reference 114522 factoids. I'm using about 15872 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 20.04/2.48 child 0/0.02 |
| 19:45.14 | brasto | ~brastotack mindjuju |
| 19:45.14 | jbot | ACTION lectures mindjuju on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until mindjuju can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 19:45.33 | brasto | ~lecture someone |
| 19:45.44 | brasto | ~school someone |
| 19:45.45 | jbot | ACTION slaps someone around, robs'm, then reminds'm to be thankfully for the education. |
| 19:46.04 | RedHeron | "to be thankfully"? |
| 19:47.19 | timinator | ~timattack brasto |
| 19:47.19 | jbot | ACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to cut brasto down to size! |
| 19:47.25 | timinator | :) |
| 19:47.28 | mgeary | jbot: 0 morons?? |
| 19:47.41 | mgeary | i can almost assure you there have been more than 0 morons |
| 19:48.33 | brasto | ~1 morons? |
| 19:49.26 | unum | I'm not a complete moron, some parts are missing! |
| 20:04.34 | beandog | too quiet. |
| 20:11.35 | Trevyn | http://www.utahwebstandards.com/top-5-excuses-for-not-going-independant/ |
| 20:12.01 | beandog | #1: I don't want to. |
| 20:12.27 | beandog | #2. I'd have to pay for my own donuts |
| 20:12.44 | beandog | #3. No pet insurance. :) |
| 20:13.37 | Trevyn | #1: Stop reading... |
| 20:13.38 | Trevyn | #2: money |
| 20:13.38 | Trevyn | #3: money |
| 20:14.06 | beandog | Trevyn, you're coming from the perspective that if they aren't indepedent, then something is *wrong* |
| 20:14.19 | beandog | which, of course, is false. its a matter of preference |
| 20:14.24 | Trevyn | I didnt say that |
| 20:14.33 | beandog | "Here is my list of the top five reasons people donât go as independent contractors in Utah." |
| 20:14.34 | Trevyn | Guilt? inner voice? |
| 20:14.36 | beandog | hard to read that any other way. |
| 20:14.53 | Trevyn | How should it read? |
| 20:15.00 | Trevyn | If you want to go independant? |
| 20:15.05 | Trevyn | Heres is how? |
| 20:15.10 | beandog | More accurate might be to say "Top 5 Entry Barriers to Independent Consulting" |
| 20:15.13 | fungus | Top 5 *reasons* to not go independant |
| 20:15.17 | Trevyn | Sweet |
| 20:15.19 | Trevyn | Ill change it |
| 20:15.38 | Trevyn | Fungus, Id like to write that one too |
| 20:16.17 | fungus | The word excuse implies there is one right answer. |
| 20:16.27 | Trevyn | Changed the name |
| 20:16.33 | Trevyn | Thanks fungus |
| 20:16.59 | Trevyn | exuse means there is an easy answer, but they are hung on a non factoring reason |
| 20:17.13 | Trevyn | IMO |
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| 20:18.05 | brasto | is there something i can install that will make vim colorize php code like gui editors do? |
| 20:18.38 | Trevyn | You just need admin tights I think |
| 20:18.41 | Trevyn | and you will get color |
| 20:18.59 | Trevyn | or.. not |
| 20:19.39 | fungus | brasto: it's including in the default install, just not enabled. |
| 20:20.00 | beandog | isn't that ctags? |
| 20:20.04 | fungus | Try ":syntax on" |
| 20:20.39 | fungus | ctags does the C/C++ function searching folding and such |
| 20:23.28 | beandog | oh |
| 20:27.35 | tierra | ctags is for autocomplete, parameter hinting, etc... code folding is something different |
| 20:28.19 | fungus | Hence the name C tags |
| 20:29.11 | *** join/#uphpu _psychic__ (n=_psychic@66.7.114.125) |
| 20:30.15 | tierra | and also, it's true that the default "vim-tiny" package installed on Debian doesn't support code highlighting, but that's fixed with a simple 'apt-get install vim' (so yes, in that case, root would be required)... but that's only if you're on Debian, and still only have the vim-tiny package installed |
| 20:31.23 | tierra | and you do still have to add "syntax on" in your .vimrc |
| 20:31.43 | tierra | (regardless of distro/platform) |
| 20:36.24 | brasto | ~ctags |
| 20:36.42 | mindjuju | brasto, read backlog |
| 20:36.49 | mindjuju | tierra defined all those terms like 2 minutes ago |
| 20:36.51 | brasto | ah, ok |
| 20:36.55 | PoeticIntensity | also, mindjuju, beandog, sadly - I won't be at the meeting or the after-party tonight... |
| 20:37.02 | mindjuju | bummer! |
| 20:37.06 | PoeticIntensity | I've got plans.... yeah... |
| 20:37.11 | PoeticIntensity | two passions of mine: |
| 20:37.14 | PoeticIntensity | UPHPU and music... |
| 20:37.22 | PoeticIntensity | I've got band practice tonight.... |
| 20:37.30 | PoeticIntensity | we've got a gig coming up in a few months and have to practice. |
| 20:37.38 | brasto | fungus: put :syntax on in .vimrc to have that take effect each time i start vim? |
| 20:37.54 | *** part/#uphpu Trevyn (n=Trevyn@70.0.62.125) |
| 20:38.03 | fungus | No "syntax on" goes in your .vimrc |
| 20:38.16 | fungus | To run it right now, just type ":syntax on" |
| 20:39.14 | brasto | what if i want it on by default? no way to do that fungus ? |
| 20:39.18 | tierra | mindjuju: well, I did make up 'parameter hinting' just cuz I don't know what you'd call it, but there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_folding, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocomplete :) |
| 20:39.36 | tierra | brasto: as fungus just said, on by default means you need to add it to your .vimrc |
| 20:40.28 | brasto | tierra: i thought he said "/no/ syntax on goes in your .vimrc" |
| 20:41.21 | tierra | seems kinda hard to confuse when he put quotes around "syntax on" |
| 20:41.24 | tierra | heh |
| 20:41.34 | brasto | :) |
| 20:41.39 | tierra | er, I guess a comma would have helped |
| 20:41.54 | fungus | I meant to show the difference in the usage of the colon |
| 20:41.56 | brasto | i put "syntax on" in my .vimrc |
| 20:42.06 | brasto | i figured that out fungus |
| 20:42.20 | brasto | ~brainfart me |
| 20:46.43 | SunSparc | If you have a brain fart, where do the expelled gaseous emanations escape to? |
| 20:47.15 | beandog | tuna sandwiches |
| 20:47.33 | mindjuju | they escape to the outside air via the ear |
| 20:48.08 | mindjuju | though i've never personally had my brain fart. but i have been cornfused |
| 20:48.17 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:51.36 | brasto | i haven't been cornfused, but i know someone with dain bramage |
| 20:55.47 | dataw0lf | /win 2 |
| 20:56.26 | brasto | herlo, what do i put in the rc files to change my prompt for tcsh, csh, and bash? |
| 20:58.24 | brasto | ~apb herlo |
| 20:58.25 | jbot | ACTION calls Beth to find herlo |
| 21:02.23 | herlo | brasto: pong |
| 21:02.33 | herlo | brasto: its chsh, that's the command you want |
| 21:02.43 | herlo | oh, wait |
| 21:02.47 | SunSparc | PS1="${PS1}# " |
| 21:03.02 | herlo | yeah, what SunSparc said, but it depends on the shell |
| 21:03.18 | SunSparc | Also depends on what you want it to look like. |
| 21:03.21 | herlo | the one he did is for bash and sh for sure |
| 21:03.53 | SunSparc | Although tsch has some nice features |
| 21:04.03 | fungus | tcsh = .tcshrc, csh = .cshrc, bash = .profile,.bash_profile,.bashrc depending on how the shell was run |
| 21:05.00 | herlo | tcsh is difficult |
| 21:05.04 | herlo | I hate it |
| 21:06.23 | fungus | It's not more difficult than bash, it's just different |
| 21:07.04 | DexterTheDragon | zsh FTW! |
| 21:07.40 | SunSparc | if (unfamiliar($somethingdifferent)===true) { $somethingdifferent = difficult; } |
| 21:16.18 | brasto | cool, i'll try that out, tx herlo and SunSparc and fungus |
| 21:16.23 | brasto | good equation SunSparc |
| 21:16.32 | brasto | or... function, rather |
| 21:16.36 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:21.17 | herlo | fungus: I used tcsh for a couple years at my last job, could never get used to it. I'm sure its a fine shell |
| 21:21.25 | herlo | I just don't care for it |
| 21:24.28 | fungus | There is only one feature I was previously missing in tcsh, multiple output redirection (ala > and 2>) |
| 21:25.08 | fungus | For the most part I had to go through great pains to get Bash to handle the cool stuff tcsh did so easily. |
| 21:25.54 | fungus | Like completion, in bash I have to write hairy functions that store crap in COMPREPLY. Yuck |
| 21:32.47 | herlo | fungus: have you tried 2>&1 ? |
| 21:33.19 | fungus | No I meant that, that is a bash feature I do like. |
| 21:33.33 | fungus | Not available in tcsh |
| 21:33.38 | herlo | fungus: I mean that is available in tcsh |
| 21:33.42 | herlo | I used it |
| 21:33.44 | fungus | You either get stdout, or both, period. |
| 21:33.53 | fungus | Nope, can't do that in tcsh |
| 21:34.00 | herlo | in bash, you can do either that, or &> which I like better |
| 21:34.20 | herlo | fungus: I did 2&>1 (or whatever the order is) in tcsh, I remember doing it. That's strange |
| 21:34.28 | fungus | in bash I can send stdout to one file and stderr to another file. |
| 21:34.42 | fungus | In tcsh it's either stdout, or both combined. |
| 21:34.48 | herlo | oh |
| 21:34.49 | herlo | I see |
| 21:34.58 | herlo | but no way to get stderr? |
| 21:35.25 | fungus | Well it is possible, but you have to use a subshell. |
| 21:35.38 | fungus | (cmd > f1) >& f2 |
| 21:35.43 | fungus | yuck |
| 21:35.53 | timinator | later guys |
| 21:36.03 | fungus | not the bash way: cmd > f1 2> f2 |
| 21:36.07 | herlo | fungus: ew! |
| 21:36.49 | herlo | fungus: are you separating stdout and stderr? I see your point now |
| 21:36.54 | herlo | I was missing that all along |
| 21:37.09 | fungus | yeah, separating is ugly in tcsh |
| 21:37.18 | fungus | Although combining in tcsh is simpler. |
| 21:37.18 | herlo | okay, no argument |
| 21:37.25 | fungus | cmd >& file |
| 21:37.46 | fungus | vs bash: cmd 2>& > file |
| 21:38.37 | fungus | That's all just nitpicking really. Its the big features of tcsh I miss. |
| 21:39.03 | herlo | fungus: how does stderr and stdout get separated in that command using tcsh |
| 21:39.24 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.47 | fungus | stdout goes to f1, and the leftover output goes to f2 |
| 21:39.48 | herlo | okay, so with the one above in bash are you trying to combine? because in bash its cmd &> file |
| 21:39.52 | herlo | dine |
| 21:39.54 | herlo | done |
| 21:39.59 | herlo | it totally works |
| 21:40.57 | fungus | Oh bash combine is just &> |
| 21:41.07 | fungus | hrm, learned something new |
| 21:41.09 | herlo | fungus: yup |
| 21:41.12 | herlo | :) |
| 21:46.13 | fungus | Spell correction is the tcsh feature I most miss. |
| 21:53.12 | brasto | will itunes play apple lossless on a Windows machine? |
| 21:54.27 | wps | I believe so |
| 21:55.17 | brasto | i'm thinking about ripping everything to apple lossless so there's no quality loss, but then it may not play on my Linux machine even if it works on my Windows one... |
| 21:55.54 | brasto | i've lost too many songs from cds getting scratched, and tired of it... |
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| 21:57.30 | thebigdog | afternoon all |
| 21:58.01 | herlo | brasto: don't do it. FLAC is better! |
| 21:58.09 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 21:58.25 | thebigdog | ~flip wps |
| 21:58.26 | jbot | ACTION gives wps the .|.. ..|. |
| 21:58.30 | thebigdog | not much mindjuju |
| 21:58.38 | thebigdog | just getting ready for the meeting tonight |
| 21:58.50 | thebigdog | i kicked wps' butt |
| 21:58.52 | mindjuju | way cool! |
| 21:58.53 | thebigdog | he is cripple now |
| 21:58.58 | wps | :( |
| 21:58.58 | brasto | i've used flac on windows, but itunes just automagically asks if i want to add it to my itunes library and starts playing on the fly... |
| 21:59.10 | mindjuju | if you're coming does that mean timinator is coming? |
| 21:59.18 | brasto | but then again, i want to support Open Source as much as i can... |
| 21:59.23 | brasto | right herlo? |
| 21:59.35 | wps | you can change that setting, brasto |
| 22:00.00 | herlo | brasto: its all good, but FLAC is a more generic standard... |
| 22:00.27 | brasto | i noticed, and i like it for now... but if i rip to flac i may need to change the setting wps |
| 22:00.41 | brasto | that's true, too. |
| 22:00.50 | brasto | ~google flac |
| 22:01.27 | brasto | someone should program jbot to do a google "I'm feelin' Lucky" link for ~google url |
| 22:01.41 | brasto | ~flac |
| 22:01.42 | jbot | hmm... flac is the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See http://flac.sourceforge.net/ for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course). |
| 22:02.51 | thebigdog | if anyone is in bountiful and needs a ride to the meeting let me know |
| 22:04.04 | wps | ^5 to thebigdog for his partner joining UPHPU |
| 22:04.23 | thebigdog | did he |
| 22:04.25 | herlo | thebigdog: I'm in bountiful |
| 22:04.35 | thebigdog | herlo, i am driving down there |
| 22:04.39 | herlo | but I don't really need a ride |
| 22:04.44 | thebigdog | ok |
| 22:04.46 | herlo | I live in Murray |
| 22:04.48 | herlo | but |
| 22:04.52 | thebigdog | ok |
| 22:04.55 | herlo | if you were too ful |
| 22:05.03 | herlo | I could bring some down and back if need be |
| 22:05.19 | wps | I'm really enjoying writing CLI scripts in PHP |
| 22:05.26 | herlo | ew! |
| 22:05.37 | wps | heyâ¦Â this is #uphpu |
| 22:05.42 | wps | what else would you expect in here |
| 22:05.44 | wps | eh? |
| 22:05.49 | herlo | hehe |
| 22:06.05 | thebigdog | bash |
| 22:06.08 | thebigdog | python |
| 22:06.15 | wps | at least I'm talking about PHP and not bashing on the local tech community |
| 22:06.18 | thebigdog | ruby |
| 22:06.27 | thebigdog | heheh |
| 22:06.28 | herlo | wps: I am just not big on cli stuff in php, that's all |
| 22:06.35 | herlo | its always been a web language to me |
| 22:06.37 | thebigdog | i will also be bring 4 books tonight to give away |
| 22:06.45 | wps | at least I'm not using BASH |
| 22:06.50 | wps | bash sucks |
| 22:06.55 | thebigdog | wps, bash is the best |
| 22:06.55 | herlo | wps: BASH rules! |
| 22:06.58 | wps | no way |
| 22:06.59 | herlo | bash ftw! |
| 22:07.04 | herlo | yes way |
| 22:07.08 | wps | it's horrible |
| 22:07.17 | brasto | thebigdog: what books? |
| 22:07.30 | herlo | wps: no, its not |
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| 22:07.41 | thebigdog | let me remember |
| 22:07.43 | thebigdog | php in action |
| 22:07.53 | thebigdog | some high performance web site |
| 22:07.54 | wps | I had several books I was done with that I was going to donate by they were all four years old and for previous versions of various technologies so I couldn't imagine anyone wanting themâ¦Â so I tossed them |
| 22:07.59 | thebigdog | orielly |
| 22:08.04 | thebigdog | ajax book |
| 22:08.09 | thebigdog | and a linux sys admin book |
| 22:08.12 | herlo | ooh |
| 22:08.21 | thebigdog | let me see if i have the links |
| 22:08.43 | thebigdog | http://www.manning.com/reiersol/ |
| 22:09.42 | wps | interesting covers |
| 22:09.44 | wps | I dig it |
| 22:09.53 | wps | women are much more interesting than animals |
| 22:10.04 | thebigdog | http://www.informit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0132272679 |
| 22:10.04 | wps | +1 for manning over o'rielly |
| 22:10.09 | thebigdog | i think that one |
| 22:11.19 | thebigdog | and the linux one is in that Bruce Peren's series |
| 22:12.08 | thebigdog | it might be the quick fix one |
| 22:13.38 | thebigdog | http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596529307/ |
| 22:13.42 | thebigdog | and this one |
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| 22:22.02 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: you still here? |
| 22:22.21 | Utah_Dave | ~ping mindjuju |
| 22:22.22 | jbot | pong mindjuju |
| 22:22.35 | mindjuju | here |
| 22:23.09 | Utah_Dave | Do you have a laptop or a machine I can run my presentation slides from? I want to run my laptop separately |
| 22:24.08 | mindjuju | i can prolly get something going, what does it need to have on it? |
| 22:24.52 | dataw0lf | /win 2 |
| 22:24.58 | Utah_Dave | well, either OpenOffice Impress or Powerpoint |
| 22:25.52 | mindjuju | k, i'll get cracking on it |
| 22:26.42 | Utah_Dave | I can probably grab another laptop from work if you don't have anything handy |
| 22:27.45 | mindjuju | your call |
| 22:27.56 | mindjuju | sorry, got somebody on the phone who just won't quit yappin! |
| 22:29.29 | Utah_Dave | I think I just found a spare laptop. So I should be good |
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| 22:37.50 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: how early can I show up at your office? |
| 22:38.26 | mindjuju | is after 5:30 ok, or do you need sooner? |
| 22:40.16 | Utah_Dave | no, that's great |
| 23:00.38 | fungus | Spell correction is the tcsh feature I most miss. |
| 23:00.45 | fungus | doh |
| 23:01.03 | SunSparc | deja vu... |
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| 23:03.00 | mindjujuMeeting | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:03.00 | jbot | gives mindjuju a good seeing to |
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