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04:31.44Pendex22Hi guys
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13:57.43timinatormorning guys
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14:48.53mindjujumorning all
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14:52.49timinatorsup mindjuju
14:53.23mindjujugood ole' Utah_Dave
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15:15.13mindjujuand I thought my Monday's were bad... http://gizmodo.com/368404/f+16-pilot-drops-bomb-on-tulsa-accidentally
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15:58.36SunSparcmindjuju: That is pretty freaky
15:58.56mindjujuyeah, crazy!
16:17.55thebigdogwhatz freaky?
16:19.31mindjujuthis - (9:15:17 AM) mindjuju: and I thought my Mondays were bad... http://gizmodo.com/368404/f+16-pilot-drops-bomb-on-tulsa-accidentally
16:25.24timinatorBRB
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16:34.11mindjuju~seen jsmith
16:34.17jbotmindjuju: i haven't seen 'jsmith'
16:34.52mindjujucurious
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16:42.10brastoChanServ op brasto
16:42.16brastodoh!
16:49.39thebigdogjsmith, you around?
16:49.44brastoand adds the correct channel name for udbug
16:49.50brasto#udbug
16:52.40brastohow do i make it so that chanserv auto-ops me when i rejoin #udbug?
16:53.47SunSparcDo you need ops every time?
16:54.02brastosince i'm the only op, i probably do
16:54.07SunSparcIt is usually best practice to on get ops when you need it
16:54.24SunSparcs/on/only
16:57.47SunSparcI just asked ChanServ but did not see an option for auto op'ing.  You might want to ask over in #freenode
16:57.54brastoI might want to always show my op status because i like the way its done here
16:58.08brastothat way, if someone needs to ping an op, they know who to ping
16:58.46brastoalthough, i have chanserv in the channel, so they can use it easily enough, but newbies to irc might now know how to use chanserv
16:58.57brastogood point
16:59.14SunSparcNewbies to IRC won't even know what an OP is.  ;)
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17:00.12brastotrue
17:00.29SunSparcIn my opinion, from a decade of IRC use, always having OP status on is more of an ego booster than a help.  Op functionality is used legitimately perhaps .5% of the time anyway.
17:00.49SunSparcJust my opinion
17:00.50SunSparc:)
17:01.26SunSparcMost of the help I get on IRC is from other members and rarely someone with OP status.
17:04.15SunSparcSimilar to Freenode's Voice status.  More of a status symbol than a functional tool.
17:06.32SunSparcIn fact, I just popped over into the #freenode channel and noticed that the only person in their with OP status is ChanServ and no one has Voice.
17:09.47brastointeresting... and they haven't been much help in telling me how to auto op, but they did bring up interesting points by referring me here: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
17:10.18macnewboldyou can have chanserv auto op by setting levels
17:10.23macnewboldthats how it does it here
17:10.28brastoi kinda like the way uphpu does it, but i wonder what our ops think of those guidelines?
17:10.30macnewboldthere's a level for auto op and for auto voice
17:10.50macnewboldif someoen has access of at least that level, they get autoopped or autovoiced
17:10.54macnewboldlike happens in ehre
17:11.02brastook
17:12.52brastothe /msg chanserv access list #udbug says i have level 30 access, even though there are supposedly only 29 levels...
17:14.26wpsyou wonder what?
17:14.30thebigdogwe dont agree
17:14.46thebigdogcause we are not a channel with many users
17:14.58brastoi'm not sure i agree either, and kind of like the way we do it here, but thought it might be a good discussion.
17:15.34thebigdogfor use we like to have the group leaders as ops
17:15.44thebigdogthen those that contribute tons we have with voice
17:15.51thebigdogis kinda how we have it setup
17:15.58wpsalthough voice means nothing
17:16.09thebigdogcorrect
17:16.15wpsbecause we don't restrict non-voiced people from speaking
17:16.22brastowps: about the way #uphpu does things compared to this: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
17:16.51brastovoice is a warm fuzzy, though, since i've got it... ;)
17:16.59wpsglad you're warm
17:18.14thebigdogno mgeary today?
17:18.41brastomgeary will be in at around noon
17:18.49wpsmust have gotten food poisoning from the geeklunch Friday
17:18.55brastolol
17:18.56wpsthey did go to Brick Oven, didn't they?
17:19.08brastommmmm... Brick Oven
17:19.09wpsI'd be out of a week after eating there
17:19.16wpsnasty
17:19.19brastolol
17:19.51wpsBrick Oven ===  Chuck-o-Rama === Denny's
17:19.55wpsyuck
17:20.31wpsoh, and Olive Garden should be in that list
17:23.20thebigdoghaha
17:26.51beandogwhat?
17:26.55beandogChuck o Rama rawks
17:27.02beandogso does Dennys
17:27.18beandogwe need a Waffle House
17:27.23wpsthose places are awful
17:27.23beandogthar's some real trucker food there.
17:27.28beandogput some hair on your chest
17:27.37wpsand tears apart your bowels
17:30.31brastowhat restaurants do you like, wps?
17:32.50wpsKneaders, Juice Press, La Dolche Vita, Macaroni Grill, Happy Sumo
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17:40.15wpsJason's Deli
17:40.44wpsTaconos
17:44.21wpssuck… our server just ran out of space
17:44.26wps:(
17:47.29SunSparcHow much space are you using?
17:47.52SunSparcYou mean the uphpu web server or your works server?
17:47.57wpswork
17:48.01SunSparcNice
17:48.02wpsit's like 15 GB
17:48.03wps:)
17:48.14wpsthis is an old server
17:48.19SunSparcI can tell
17:48.22SunSparchehe
17:48.32SunSparcI remember when 15GB was HUGE.
17:48.47wpsand NetOps doesn't want to upgrade it because this server is already on the phase-out list
17:49.08wpsour website is only 1.5 GB, but this box has our SVN repo
17:49.26beandogoh my crap this is a pain.
17:49.40beandogwindows + mysql + odbc + ssl = free ulcers
17:49.46wpsCTM
17:49.51SunSparcbeandog: Ouch!
17:52.25macnewbolds/Linux/FreeBSD
17:52.38SunSparcEven better
17:53.24beandogits client, only
17:53.25beandognot server.
17:53.33beandoghence the odbc.
17:53.35beandog:)
17:54.33brastofreebsd++
17:57.06beandog~sympathy
17:57.07jbotask me about dict sympathy, as that's as close as a sid user gets to getting sympathy from me when things break.
18:01.46brasto~sid
18:01.47jbotfrom memory, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Don't use it unless you know what you're doing, or it can break horribly. a kid in "Toy Story" who was "unstable" and would break toys. There's no reason to backronym Debian/sid to "Still in Development", or see sid faq.  sid requires use of bts (by design) or ELSE!
18:02.29brastobrb, y'all
18:02.45mindjujuBlank and Jones Live on Di.fm @eurotrance
18:02.53mindjujuits just starting
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18:09.53thebigdogjsmith, you around?
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18:23.15burninanyone know if browsers tend to modify special characters when they are passed or recieved from or to a form? i.e. &lt; gets converted to a <
18:28.22mindjujuburnin , do you mean like mdash getting converted to a square and curly apostrophe becoming a question mark?
18:32.51burninmindjuju, I have a textarea in which I enter some info to pass to a php script, I write &lt;something&gt; and do a preview which displays okay, and still has the &lt etc. if I look at the source, but I copy it into the textarea and the browser displays it as <something> in the text area now.
18:33.15burninthe text area is showing the character instead of the special character code I wrote. :(
18:38.52mindjujuAAAIIIIEEE!  Abandon Ship!  She's gonna blow!
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19:02.25unumactually I think you use double $$
19:02.32unumI meant &&
19:02.36unumso &&lt
19:05.27burninnope, on all accounts
19:06.12burnin&lt gets converted to a < by the browser with && or \
19:08.28influx^^w 7
19:09.11unumshows what I know
19:13.39burninperhaps I just need to accept a < or > in the form and convert them to &lt &gt when they come back.
19:14.03burninhmm, except, I wanted to have markup work where needed.
19:14.11burninheh, maybe this just isn't feasible.
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19:54.01timinatorback
19:54.04timinatorwhew
19:54.46mindjujusystem crash?
19:58.42Utah_Davehey, mindjuju
19:58.45Utah_Davehow's it going?
19:59.18mindjujunot too bad, yourself?
20:01.33thebigdog~flip timinator
20:01.34jbotACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|.
20:01.40timinator~flip thebigdog
20:01.41jbotACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|.
20:02.24mindjujufor all you WoW playerz - http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/seven-ways-to-win-back-your-gaming-spouse/1194632
20:03.09timinatormindjuju: no, not a system crash.... supporting one of my best friends through some personal stuff
20:03.16Utah_Davemindjuju: pretty good. Just waiting for my scuba pictures to be developed
20:05.04mindjujuthat cool
20:05.12mindjujuwhere did you go scuba?
20:05.19Utah_DaveNassau Bahamas
20:05.32mindjujuoh yeah
20:05.45mindjujui put that out of my mind so i wouldn't remain jealous
20:05.57Utah_Dave:)
20:06.17SunSparcUtah_Dave: did you go with a club or on your own?
20:06.18Utah_DaveIt was beautiful. The water was gorgeous
20:06.25Utah_DaveI went down for work.
20:06.27mindjujuSunsparc, no
20:06.36mindjujuhe went all paid expense to Bahamas
20:06.44SunSparcNice
20:06.50Utah_DaveWe got some free time on Friday and I convinced my coworker to go scuba with me
20:07.06SunSparcLucky!
20:07.23mindjujui get 1 day to represent the tech side of my company in Cali, Utah_Dave gets a whole week in the freakin' bahamas
20:07.25Utah_Daveyeah, it was really awesome. It was the first time suba diving for my and my coworker
20:07.43mindjujuso, Utah_Dave, send him the URL for the hotel where you kicked it
20:08.27Utah_Davehttp://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/NASHIHH-British-Colonial-Hilton-Nassau-hotel/index.do
20:09.10SunSparcThat must have been tough living is such a dump.  No wonder you had to get out and do some water sports.
20:10.05Utah_Dave:)
20:10.56SunSparcWhat was going on down in Nassau that your company felt the need to send you there?
20:12.18Utah_DaveI was doing some consulting.
20:12.32SunSparcWith dolphins?
20:14.21Utah_DaveNo we were getting a server room wired up and ready for the system installers that are going in a few weeks
20:14.32SunSparcAh, sweet
20:14.45Utah_DaveMaking sure they had all the equipment and network connections, etc
20:20.50Utah_Davesee you all tomorrow! gotta go pick up my pics
20:20.56mindjujuUtah_Dave - are you ready for this thursday?
20:21.21mindjujuhey, i'll send you an email if you are stil lthere so we can coordinate
20:21.23mindjujucya!
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20:22.30mindjujuMeeting Thursday - PHP and Asterisk presented by utah_dave @ 7p | UPHPU | http://uphpu.org
20:22.42*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Thursday - PHP and Asterisk presented by utah_dave @ 7p | UPHPU | http://uphpu.org
20:30.34wpsI'm pretty sure that there is a MySQL command that will give you the command that you used when you first created a table
20:30.38wpsdoes anyone know what that is?
20:30.53wps(assuming that it does exist)
20:31.33SunSparcmysql_dump
20:31.56wpsI don't want the data and I don't want to send it to a text file
20:31.59wpsI just want the structure
20:32.26SunSparcThe dump will give you the structure... along with the data.  But you can delete the data.
20:32.52beandogno
20:32.59beandogthere should be one inside the client I think.
20:33.02mindjujuwps, i've seen phpmyadmin produce what you're talking about, so i know it exists
20:33.06mindjujugoogling now
20:33.08beandogbut mysqldump can do the structure only too
20:33.24wpsany way to print it out to the screen so I don't have to dump it to a file?
20:33.26beandog--no-data
20:33.36beandogmysqldump doesnt dump to a file
20:33.57wpsoh… that's right… only if I direct the output to a file
20:34.03wpsthanks, beandog
20:34.07beandogyahp
20:34.32wpsthat's exactly what I watned
20:35.15beandograwk
20:35.21beandogbeandog == just what you wanted
20:35.39beandog:)
20:35.40beandogI think theres a query you can do it though
20:35.52beandogto display the create schema
20:35.52beandogor am I thinking of sqlite o.O
20:38.10wpsI wish you could rename a column without having to specify it's type
20:38.11wpscan you?
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20:38.47mindjujumgeary - thebigdog was looking for ya
20:38.53mgearyping thebigdog
20:39.37thebigdogone sec
20:39.37beandogwps, no, unfortunately
20:39.40beandoglame.
20:39.42wpsanother question
20:40.11wpsif varchar only uses as much as it needs, is there any reason that you wouldn't always give varchar fields the max of 255?
20:41.37beandogoptimize your db
20:41.54beandogits going to use less memory if you use one that will take up less space
20:42.05beandogto a certain degree.
20:42.13beandogsame reason we have smallint, tinyint, int, bigint
20:42.20beandognot to mention varchar and text and tinytext
20:42.34wpsI thought that varchar only used up as much space as you put inside of it
20:43.13beandogwell, thats true, as far as data-wise
20:43.28beandogbut youve set aside all that space for a high ceiling
20:43.37mgearyi hate 255 character varchar fields
20:43.45mgearyindicative of sloppy architecture, imho
20:43.46wpswhy, mgeary?
20:44.10mgearyand i believe it makes your indexes much less efficient/compact
20:44.11beandogmgeary, are you as anal as I am when it comes to schema?
20:44.17wpsI have always only created them for as big as I need them, but my coworker insists on always making them 255… that's why I am curious
20:44.25beandogwps, laziness
20:44.26mgeary(to the extent that you have indexes on your varchars)
20:44.34beandogmgeary, I was gonna say
20:44.40mgeary;)
20:46.05beandogwps, as big as you need them is a reasonable, efficient principle
20:46.23beandogwhats really annoying is that when you drop down below a certain #, it turns them into chars
20:46.25beandogstupid mysql.
20:46.36beandogor is that mssql
20:46.38beandogsheesh
20:46.40beandogI can't remember anything.
20:46.41mgearyi hadn't noticed that
20:47.01beandogmgeary, Im pretty sure it does ... try 8 and under.
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21:10.51SunSparcDoh!  fungus you beat me to it.
21:11.00funguswinzip handles tar files
21:11.11mgearyeven so ;)
21:11.25wpsmac's untar natively
21:11.52SunSparcMac's++
21:13.37mgearyah, got it
21:13.48mgearyzip out.zip input.txt
21:13.53mgearyoutfile comes first
21:16.31beandogunfoo++
21:16.35beandogwps, thats gonna be a long list.
21:17.11beandoghttp://obsoleet.org/code/unfoo/
21:24.10wps:)
21:24.55wpseven though the utility that comes with Mac OS does do it, I would recommend this instead however: http://wakaba.c3.cx/s/apps/unarchiver.html
21:25.02wps(for hose in here using Macs)
21:25.08wpss/home/those/
21:25.15wpssheesh
21:25.18wpss/hose/those/
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21:55.17wpsis there an easy way to have two variables have the same value?
21:55.52mgearyin JS/AS & Python you can do $a = $b = 25
21:55.54mgearynot sure about php
21:56.31beandogsame.
21:56.39beandogor, you could reference them.
21:56.43beandogsave memory
21:56.50beandog$foo =& $bar;
21:57.22wpsI'll try that
21:57.23wpsthanks
21:57.27beandoger
21:57.28beandogdont do mine.
21:57.37wpsdon't?
21:57.42beandogjust doo $foo = $bar = 12345;
21:58.00beandogIf you reference something, then when you change it, it'll change both variables.
21:58.14beandogSo, there are corner cases of why you'd use it.
21:58.14beandogclasses is the most common;
21:58.17beandog$db =& new DB();
21:58.25wpsI think I want that
21:58.37wpsthis is for a PHP CLI script
21:58.47wpsI want aliases
21:58.54wpsfor the args being passed in
21:59.05wpsso the user can type:
21:59.18beandogphp foo.php --arg 1
21:59.27beandogI've got some good code to handle arguments if you want it
21:59.46wpsthanks, but I have that part down
21:59.53beandogbueno
22:00.02wpsI am just trying to make it so that two args can do the same thing
22:00.10wpsso that they can type "production" or just "prod"
22:00.18wpsmake sense?
22:00.25beandogmm
22:00.25beandogyah
22:00.32beandogI just use an if statement on mine though
22:00.36beandogbut whatever. :)
22:00.40wpsso I need $product = $prod = ____;
22:01.16wpsI just thought of a good way to do it
22:01.20beandog?
22:01.21beandogok
22:01.34wpsinstead of having my options in a multidimensional array, I am going to use a switch
22:01.42wpsit's easy to have two cases do the same thing
22:01.59beandogyahp
22:03.23beandoghttp://rafb.net/p/xepo6512.html
22:03.28beandogwps, I dug up my function anyway
22:03.37wpsthanks
22:04.02thebigdogwps, mindjuju is the calendar updated with the meeting info
22:04.18wpsit is with the latest I received from mindjuju, yes
22:06.49thebigdogi see it has TBA
22:07.00thebigdogjust wondering if we want to put something in there
22:07.03thebigdogphp + asterisk
22:07.15wpsdang
22:07.24wpssorry, it didn't get pushed up
22:07.39wpsI made the change locally and it didn't get sync'd up to the server
22:08.09wpsI'll make sure it gets synced tonight
22:12.09thebigdogno worries
22:20.12mgearythebigdog: did you have a Q for me?
22:23.29thebigdogno you need to answer mine
22:23.45beandogokay
22:23.52beandogtrying to get this working on windows all day has broken my brain.
22:25.06beandogwindows 1 brain 0
22:25.51mgearythebigdog: you still looking for a Frank Black ref?
22:26.00thebigdogyou have 1
22:26.05thebigdogdid you ever get the other
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22:26.22mgearyyou didn't like my Governor of NY reference?
22:26.57mgearyhow about the guy on X-Files?
22:27.11thebigdogyes and no
22:28.05mgearyMillennium?
22:28.31beandogthat guy was cool
22:29.48thebigdogyes about time
22:35.29mgearywhew
22:35.55mgearyfor the record, mgeary doesn't watch tv, so i'm a bit of a cultural idiot
22:51.14fungusteen titans?
22:51.33fungusI guess I shouldn't say anything.  My Tivo list is quite incriminating too.
22:51.41beandogteen titans freaking rawk
22:51.45beandogmindjuju++
22:51.48mindjujuhttp://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/titans/
22:51.58mindjujuteen titans = Freakin' Rock
22:52.08mindjuju^5 beandog
22:52.17beandogwhen theres trouble you know who to call
22:52.19beandogteen titans!
22:52.33mindjujulove that show
22:52.51beandogfrom their tower, they can see it all
22:52.52beandogteen titans!
22:53.02mindjujui love it when they sing the song in Japenese
22:53.02beandoghttp://www.cfhf.net/lyrics/teen-titans.htm
22:53.07mindjujuoops, Japanese
22:53.07beandogyah seriously
22:53.57mindjujui think my fav is the one where Terra crispy fries Slade's butt
22:54.06mindjujuwell, that whole story arc
22:54.13beandogack dont tell me
22:54.14beandogIm not caught up
22:55.00beandogheh
22:55.10beandogI found this new show the other day looks cool
22:55.11beandogwhat is it
22:55.13beandogDanny Phantom
22:55.35mindjujuDanny Phantom?
22:57.35mgearynah
22:57.41mgearynow, The Last Airbender, that's a good cartoon
22:57.53beandogyah
22:57.56mindjujuyou know, I have wanted to see that one
22:57.58beandogI thought you didnt watch tv
22:58.03mgearyi don't
22:58.05mindjujui saw a little bit of one and it looked cool
22:58.07mgearywe get that on iTunes on my computer :)
22:58.28mindjujuthe other one i haven't seen, and I'm terribly ashamed to admit it, is Clone Wars
22:58.35mindjujuhaven't seen any of those toons
22:58.37beandogmindjuju, I havent seen it yet either
22:58.41beandogIve heard its really well done
22:58.43mgearyit's great
22:58.45beandogman
22:58.46mindjujuyeah, that's what I hear
22:58.49mgearyi've got them all
22:58.50beandogI really wish Dexter's Lab was on DVD
22:59.05mindjujuI was afraid to watch it, in the same way i'm afraid to watch Transformers the movie
22:59.05beandogthat show is freakin hilarious
22:59.17mindjujubut then everybody was raving about it, Clone Wars, that is
22:59.23beandogmindjuju, it won a few awards
22:59.24mindjujui think i'll have to get it
22:59.28mgearyClone Wars is great
22:59.30beandogplus it was directed by Gore himself.
22:59.34beandogor is that his name?
22:59.39beandogIm thinking of the other director.
22:59.40beandogdoh.
23:00.22beandoghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genndy_Tartakovsky
23:00.23beandoghim
23:00.32beandogHe is best known for the television series Dexter's Laboratory, Samurai Jack, and Star Wars: Clone Wars.
23:00.41beandogthat's quite a resume. :)
23:00.51mindjujuoh, that's anothe rone i wanted to see, Samurai Jack
23:01.27beandogPowerpuff Girls is great as well
23:01.30beandogthat show freaking cracks me up
23:01.44mindjujuoh man, this does not bode well - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH7JN6LNLHQ
23:01.55beandogGeorge Lucas hired Tartakovsky to direct Star Wars: Clone Wars, a successful animated microseries depicting the Clone Wars, taking place between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. The series has won three Emmy awards: two for "Outstanding Animated Program (For Programming One Hour or More)" (in 2004 and 2005) and another for "Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation" (for background designer Justin Thompson in 2005).
23:01.56fungusI haven't seen that since my niece stopped watching it.
23:01.58mindjujui'm at 1:17 and this dude looks like he's about to be had for lunch
23:02.20beandogman vs. lion?  oh my.
23:02.31beandogI can guess whose gonna win
23:05.46mindjujuk, that was anticlimatical
23:05.53mindjujubut here is one more - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LjG7S8aqJg
23:06.59beandoghttp://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/03/17/video-tennis-ball-la.html
23:07.29mindjujudude beandog, you have to check out that second link i posted, unless you've already seen it
23:07.49mindjujuif you're bored easily kick to about minute 2 in the flv
23:08.07beandogI'm not sure I wanna watch animal attacks
23:08.51mindjujui love that link you sent
23:22.46timinatorlater guys
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23:59.15mgearycan anyone here ping www.westhost.com?
23:59.53mgearythere it goes

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