| 00:06.04 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: http://codespeak.net/lxml/ |
| 00:07.22 | timinator | _psychic_: yes |
| 00:10.24 | tierra | interesting... lxml has their own "objectify" variation |
| 00:10.32 | bradym | timinator: have you set Options +FollowSymLinks on the vhost? |
| 00:11.18 | thebigdog | check apache api phases for mod_rewrite |
| 00:11.32 | thebigdog | ~hug thebigdog |
| 00:11.32 | jbot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs thebigdog |
| 00:11.35 | PoeticIntensity | man.... Every time I look at or use wireshark, I wanna learn more about TCP/IP and networking.... |
| 00:11.38 | PoeticIntensity | that stuff is amazing. |
| 00:12.27 | timinator | bradym: yes |
| 00:12.32 | timinator | thebigdog: checking |
| 00:12.53 | tierra | you can turn on a log for mod_rewrite too btw, could be helpful |
| 00:13.08 | tierra | just don't leave it on when you're done |
| 00:13.34 | thebigdog | timinator, as a side note i would suggest using apache 2.2 since mod_rewrite has been rewritten to fix some api issues |
| 00:13.45 | macnewbol1 | ~cookie |
| 00:14.28 | thebigdog | also i would suggest never doing mod_rewrite in the directory context |
| 00:14.42 | tierra | his rule seems simple enough that it wouldn't have been bitten by any issues with mod_rewrite before 2.2 though |
| 00:15.03 | thebigdog | it makes sense for the version of apache he is running |
| 00:15.18 | thebigdog | because of how the requests are handled |
| 00:15.36 | thebigdog | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html#InternalAPI |
| 00:15.40 | timinator | FYI: thebigdog setup this server.... including apache |
| 00:15.44 | timinator | :) |
| 00:15.58 | thebigdog | someone told me to only use apache 1.3 |
| 00:16.06 | thebigdog | and who is that person |
| 00:16.09 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 00:16.10 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
| 00:16.13 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 00:16.47 | timinator | LOL |
| 00:17.18 | thebigdog | my suggestion: let thebigdog install apache2 and setup mod_rewrite in the vhost |
| 00:17.20 | timinator | why was that..... |
| 00:17.24 | thebigdog | problem: fixed |
| 00:17.37 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 00:17.40 | timinator | oh, cause we had to use the packaged OS installs |
| 00:17.47 | timinator | and they were old too |
| 00:18.06 | timinator | right? |
| 00:18.28 | timinator | don't remember any other reasons |
| 00:18.46 | tierra | awe... lxml only benchmarks against ElementTree |
| 00:19.01 | thebigdog | timinator, also check out RewriteBase too |
| 00:19.16 | thebigdog | that will explain some additional info on the context |
| 00:19.46 | thebigdog | so in short - read that stuff and add this RewriteBase /loc |
| 00:19.49 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 00:20.25 | thebigdog | j/k though |
| 00:20.50 | thebigdog | for reals though check out RewriteBase |
| 00:23.25 | timinator | k |
| 00:24.32 | thebigdog | timinator, there is something in the log? |
| 00:25.09 | timinator | apache log: yes, rewrite log: no |
| 00:25.24 | thebigdog | check the rewrite log again? |
| 00:25.47 | timinator | hmmm..... |
| 00:25.58 | timinator | looks like there's something in there |
| 00:26.08 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 00:26.14 | timinator | ~flip thebigdog |
| 00:26.15 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 00:26.28 | thebigdog | anything good |
| 00:26.49 | thebigdog | ~love timinator |
| 00:26.50 | jbot | If you love timinator so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 00:27.02 | timinator | and stops posting said password on MSN servers |
| 00:27.43 | timinator | you forgot the "er" on the last word |
| 00:27.54 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 00:27.56 | thebigdog | hehehehehe |
| 00:27.59 | timinator | har har |
| 00:28.33 | thebigdog | timinator, is like i got one....ala ghostbusters...then realizes |
| 00:28.45 | thebigdog | he is not a god |
| 00:29.10 | timinator | for everyone else, thebigdog just logged into my server, and added this to the rewrite log: |
| 00:29.23 | thebigdog | haha |
| 00:29.24 | timinator | [apache process...] yOur crAp iS brOken - read the documentation m***** f*** |
| 00:29.30 | timinator | ha ha ha |
| 00:29.35 | mindjuju | ! |
| 00:29.38 | thebigdog | that is classic |
| 00:29.45 | timinator | that was a surprise |
| 00:29.49 | timinator | LOL |
| 00:31.49 | timinator | thebigdog: so, if I've got to add real files in, so the rewrite has a landing page until it |
| 00:31.59 | timinator | *it reroutes traffic.... |
| 00:32.05 | timinator | what's the point of the rewrite?? |
| 00:32.25 | thebigdog | that is the issue with apache2 |
| 00:32.35 | thebigdog | that is the point with rewritebase |
| 00:32.47 | thebigdog | so you might need to add soemthing along those lines with .htaccess |
| 00:32.55 | thebigdog | and perhaps have some files in that dir |
| 00:33.14 | thebigdog | cuase remember you have already went through the process when you hit mod_rewrite |
| 00:33.35 | timinator | right |
| 00:33.52 | thebigdog | so i would check those 2 things |
| 00:34.01 | thebigdog | rewritebase |
| 00:34.25 | thebigdog | but im not sure how you will have things setup for the client/customer |
| 00:34.35 | thebigdog | you might have to mimic that setup to verify |
| 00:35.11 | timinator | k |
| 00:35.23 | thebigdog | ping me tonight if you need help ill be on in a couple hours |
| 00:35.36 | timinator | k, late |
| 00:35.46 | thebigdog | laters |
| 00:36.07 | beandog | herlo, le ping |
| 00:36.24 | mindjuju | anybody know if IE 6 handles png files? |
| 00:36.31 | mindjuju | seems like there was some issue there |
| 00:36.34 | mindjuju | maybe the alpha |
| 00:36.36 | beandog | transparancy |
| 00:36.43 | mindjuju | k |
| 00:36.54 | mindjuju | thx beandog |
| 00:40.47 | mindjuju | hey, thebigdog , you still around |
| 00:47.45 | SunSparc | Transparency should have been supported in full back in the 90;s |
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| 00:48.40 | SunSparc | It would make web design so much easier if things could be layers without messing with bg colors. |
| 00:57.17 | SunSparc | Party on! |
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| 01:37.49 | mindjuju | ugh |
| 01:37.57 | mindjuju | i just got reservations for 4 nights in Florida |
| 01:51.30 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
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| 01:57.53 | mindjuju | didn't you get the PM? |
| 01:58.08 | RedHeron | Yes. |
| 01:58.12 | RedHeron | Still confused. :D |
| 01:58.15 | mindjuju | congrats! |
| 01:58.26 | RedHeron | Thanks! |
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| 16:18.12 | brasto | anyone know a way to refresh an element on a page without refreshing the whole page? |
| 16:18.13 | timinator | morning guys |
| 16:18.32 | brasto | and not using frames... |
| 16:18.32 | timinator | JavaScript....AJAX |
| 16:19.09 | brasto | timinator, do you know of some JS/AJAX code that does this? |
| 16:19.39 | timinator | sure.... what are you trying to do, specifically? |
| 16:20.48 | brasto | I googled for: javascript ("refresh element" OR "refresh text") |
| 16:20.59 | brasto | and haven't found what I need yet from that |
| 16:21.17 | brasto | one moment timinator, lemme see if i can send a url. |
| 16:21.44 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:21.45 | mgeary | i'm not convinced that what we need is a refresh mechanism. I believe this because the fleXcroll script is creating and sizing elements manually |
| 16:23.34 | mgeary | :) |
| 16:24.00 | brasto | anyone used fleXcroll before? |
| 16:24.28 | timinator | not I |
| 16:25.01 | brasto | what have some of you used to customize scrollbar width? I know its generally a 'bad idea', but say a client wants it... |
| 16:26.46 | _psychic_ | then you tell them "that's a bad idea." |
| 16:27.33 | _psychic_ | lol that's the first thing it says on the flexcroll website |
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| 16:34.19 | brasto | yea, pretty bad when a developer of a product even has to say it's a bad idea to try doing what the product does... |
| 16:34.40 | mgeary | happens all the time |
| 16:34.52 | _psychic_ | not with my clients it doesn't |
| 16:35.31 | mgeary | ~give _psychic_ more experience ;) |
| 16:35.31 | jbot | ACTION gives more experience ;) to _psychic_ |
| 16:35.49 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:36.18 | _psychic_ | I've got plenty of experience |
| 16:36.20 | _psychic_ | with big clients |
| 16:36.26 | _psychic_ | they learn to trust you after a while |
| 16:36.30 | _psychic_ | I don't always get my way |
| 16:36.39 | _psychic_ | but bold-faced bad ideas don't happen |
| 16:36.44 | mgeary | pish |
| 16:36.58 | mgeary | they happen all the time |
| 16:37.07 | mgeary | and sometimes they are later heralded as genius |
| 16:37.11 | mgeary | and sometimes as crap |
| 16:37.12 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 16:38.23 | mgeary | a "Bad Idea™" is often in the eye of the beholder |
| 16:38.36 | mgeary | and we're all limited by our own perspective |
| 16:39.16 | _psychic_ | refacing common UI elements is a bad idea. It's well tested and proven that it's a bad idea. |
| 16:39.32 | mgeary | pish. it happens all the time |
| 16:39.39 | mgeary | look at every new release of every operating system |
| 16:39.45 | xilch|w | pish happens all the time? |
| 16:39.51 | mgeary | well, that too |
| 16:40.04 | _psychic_ | you're saying they dramatically redesign the UI each time? |
| 16:40.11 | mgeary | conventions tend to change slowly, but implementations change often |
| 16:40.24 | mgeary | having a scrollbar is a convention |
| 16:40.31 | mgeary | having it be blue and bubbly is an implementation |
| 16:41.10 | _psychic_ | having it blue and bubbly like all the rest of the scrollbars on a users GUI is a convention |
| 16:41.48 | _psychic_ | It's always going to work best when you do very little to change what people expect |
| 16:42.47 | _psychic_ | how do you get UI native scrollbars in Flash? |
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| 16:43.52 | mgeary | ah, but that's not the point. If you wanted them, you could certainly re-implement them. The reality is, clients will *often* submit designs that have custom scrollbar implementations |
| 16:44.08 | mgeary | they *rarely* submit designs where they re-capture the system default scroll graphics |
| 16:44.23 | mgeary | so, saying that these Bad Ideas™ never happen is simply not the case |
| 16:45.02 | _psychic_ | Who said it never happens? |
| 16:45.19 | mgeary | "but bold-faced bad ideas don't happen..." |
| 16:45.20 | mgeary | ^^ |
| 16:45.53 | _psychic_ | first, we were talking about redoing system native scrollbars with JS |
| 16:45.54 | _psychic_ | not flash |
| 16:46.00 | _psychic_ | so with flash, you do the best you can |
| 16:46.08 | _psychic_ | use use something that is familiar |
| 16:46.14 | _psychic_ | rather that something corny or good looking |
| 16:46.19 | _psychic_ | that sacrifices usability |
| 16:46.28 | _psychic_ | so no, bold faced bad ideas do *not* happen |
| 16:46.40 | _psychic_ | with JS and HTML, you just don't change it |
| 16:46.52 | _psychic_ | with Flash, you create something similar to a UI scrollbar |
| 16:47.14 | _psychic_ | Flash is different because user expectation is different |
| 16:47.32 | _psychic_ | you can't drop my argument in a different context and expect the same result |
| 16:48.26 | _psychic_ | The point is: you can get your clients to a point where they trust you rather than having to work on their uninformed ideas. |
| 16:48.37 | _psychic_ | You're the web professional. That's why they hired you, after all. |
| 16:50.15 | mgeary | an application is an application. splitting hairs about development environment is specious, imo. Sometimes the very value of a flexible user interface is that you can re-deploy an interface in an different environment and retain customizations |
| 16:51.36 | mgeary | i'm not saying "using custom scrollbars in JS/HTML is a great idea". What i'm saying is that bizarre real-world requirements come down from clients all the time, and simply rejecting them as a bad idea is often not a realistic approach to solving a problem |
| 16:52.59 | _psychic_ | I disagree that application context is specious - I agree that real-world requirements can cause you to reconsider what might have been thought to a bad idea - but my main point is that most "bad ideas" come from clients who don't even know what they're asking, nor what it entails. |
| 16:53.06 | mgeary | saying that users expect one thing because they're in Flash, and another because they're in HTML isn't realistic, imo. I'd bet you that 80+% of all web users couldn't at a given time, tell you what kind of deployment environment they're looking at |
| 16:53.22 | timinator | anyone know of an Open Source alternative to Basecamp?? |
| 16:53.51 | timinator | would like to use my own server, and possibly add on or alter features in the future |
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| 16:55.06 | timinator | ....and /me hates re-occuring charges |
| 16:55.08 | timinator | :) |
| 16:56.34 | _psychic_ | timinator: http://www.activecollab.com/ |
| 17:01.24 | timinator | thx |
| 17:02.29 | beandog | Hmm |
| 17:02.54 | timinator | out of my price range though...... $400 + $200/yr |
| 17:04.08 | _psychic_ | that's for support |
| 17:04.14 | _psychic_ | you just buy it then you have the source |
| 17:04.32 | _psychic_ | you don't have to buy support |
| 17:04.48 | timinator | I'd rather put the $400 toward a new iPhone, and keep using stickies :) |
| 17:04.48 | _psychic_ | $400 is pretty cheap for what it does - unless you think you can rewrite it in a day ;) |
| 17:05.15 | _psychic_ | what do you need an online collaboration program for if stickies works right now? :) |
| 17:05.36 | timinator | I didn't say it wasn't worth it, I just said I'd have other uses for $400 |
| 17:05.55 | timinator | nothing really.... that's why it's out of my price range |
| 17:07.44 | _psychic_ | phpcollab |
| 17:07.45 | _psychic_ | I used that once |
| 17:07.49 | _psychic_ | a long time ago |
| 17:07.52 | _psychic_ | you might check it out too |
| 17:08.04 | timinator | I just setup a trial of Basecamp, cause one of my clients referenced their app while explaining something he wanted...... so, I checked them out.... |
| 17:08.12 | timinator | cool |
| 17:11.14 | mindjuju | actually timinator there is suppose to be a conference on icecore OSS AFAIK |
| 17:11.23 | mindjuju | suspose to be hawt and the meet on it is free |
| 17:11.31 | mindjuju | but you have to get down to provo for the training |
| 17:11.39 | mindjuju | if you want, i can send you my invite |
| 17:11.50 | timinator | let me check them out first |
| 17:11.56 | mindjuju | well, not invite per se, but the phone num to call |
| 17:12.01 | mindjuju | i was actually tempted to go |
| 17:13.18 | mindjuju | icecore.org is the website |
| 17:20.33 | timinator | that looks cool mindjuju |
| 17:20.35 | timinator | BRB |
| 17:36.36 | macnewbol1 | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 17:39.29 | _psychic_ | http://www.dextersafetydragon.com/dexter/ ? ;) |
| 17:39.37 | _psychic_ | he says no to strangers, apparently. |
| 17:40.14 | mindjuju | oh, that's scary |
| 17:41.53 | brasto | ok, i have some js working on firefox and safari, but not ie. i found a javascript utility for windows, but it's not part of ie - it's for writing js not debuging js on a website... anyone know of a good js debugging utility for ie7? |
| 17:42.23 | mindjuju | firebug lite, i think it is called |
| 17:42.28 | mindjuju | by the makers of firebug for FF |
| 17:42.35 | brasto | ah... |
| 17:42.44 | mindjuju | if you google firebug IE, it'll prolly come up |
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| 17:43.24 | mindjuju | that's weird |
| 17:43.26 | mindjuju | unum PM |
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| 17:48.09 | unum | there we go |
| 17:48.11 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:48.18 | unum | I was having trouble using irssi :) |
| 17:48.26 | unum | I kept trying to register on the wrong server |
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| 17:53.05 | beandog | now_playing[Peter Gabriel - Long Walk Home - Stealing The Children] length[3:12/3:21] |
| 17:53.13 | mgeary | beandog: hey |
| 17:53.20 | beandog | mgeary, yomesibobble |
| 17:53.36 | mgeary | i thought i had all of PG's work, but i don't think i know that one |
| 17:53.39 | mgeary | is it instrumental? |
| 17:53.49 | beandog | yah |
| 17:53.56 | mgeary | ah |
| 17:53.58 | beandog | soundtrack. |
| 17:54.03 | beandog | Rabbit-Proof Fence |
| 17:54.05 | beandog | really good flick. |
| 17:54.06 | mgeary | right |
| 17:54.09 | mgeary | haven't seen it |
| 17:55.07 | PoeticIntensity | Rabbit-proof fence is a great flick. |
| 17:56.35 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.56 | mgeary | reminds me of that dude in the Alvin Maker books. The plantation owner |
| 18:02.54 | herlo | s/nd/nad/g |
| 18:03.07 | herlo | oops, oh well |
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| 19:25.54 | influx^^ | /suckingut |
| 19:26.15 | beandog | too quiet today. |
| 19:26.18 | beandog | ~noise |
| 19:26.43 | beandog | my productivity is way up! quick, someone do something! |
| 19:27.02 | mindjuju | ~tunafart beandog |
| 19:27.03 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to beandog, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 19:35.09 | tierra | utah liquor laws are so retarded... class B misdemeanor for bringing back a couple bottles of gin that you can't get in at the state liquor store... it's not like I'm bringing in an illegal substance |
| 19:36.47 | influx^^ | ... |
| 19:37.04 | influx^^ | I hope you know what you just said. |
| 19:37.23 | beandog | thats why I make all my drinks myself. |
| 19:37.24 | beandog | ~moonshine |
| 19:37.25 | jbot | An application development environment for Linux.. URL: http://www.rednecksoft.com/ |
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| 21:40.40 | PoeticIntensity | Linux question: |
| 21:41.06 | PoeticIntensity | Anyone know if it's possible to recover a portion of a LVM array if one of the disks dies? |
| 21:41.19 | PoeticIntensity | like the hard drive flat-out doesn't register... |
| 21:42.12 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, remember that media box I built for that guy about a year ago...? |
| 21:42.15 | beandog | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-whale-cat.jpg |
| 21:42.19 | beandog | oh my crap thats hilarious |
| 21:42.20 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, yah |
| 21:42.25 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... it just died. |
| 21:42.30 | beandog | doh |
| 21:42.30 | PoeticIntensity | one of the HDs completely failed. |
| 21:42.54 | PoeticIntensity | doesn't surprise me, because they had the computer in a cabinet which on the OUTSIDE of the box was over 100 degrees. |
| 21:43.04 | beandog | epic fail |
| 21:43.16 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 21:43.18 | PoeticIntensity | I love that one. |
| 21:43.26 | PoeticIntensity | and yes.... it was an epic fail. |
| 21:43.47 | PoeticIntensity | The dude thinks it's Linux's fault... |
| 21:43.55 | PoeticIntensity | he's re-doing the system with Windows... |
| 21:44.06 | PoeticIntensity | boy is he in for a surprise... hehe... |
| 21:45.24 | beandog | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-orange-jabba-cat.jpg |
| 21:45.32 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, heh |
| 21:45.35 | beandog | thats awesome |
| 21:45.40 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 21:45.45 | beandog | Well, we all know that Windows comes with magic air cooling fairy gnomes |
| 21:45.56 | PoeticIntensity | He wants a system where he can (LOL) .... |
| 21:46.09 | PoeticIntensity | where he can put in a DVD and have it magically rip and encode it with 0 issues. |
| 21:46.29 | PoeticIntensity | and he thinks winders can do it. |
| 21:48.07 | mindjuju | wait wait, winders does that? cause here i've been trying to find something that does it reliably |
| 21:48.27 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... I think there's a whole lot of people out there trying to do the same. |
| 21:49.00 | beandog | Does Windows even have something where if you pop in a DVD it'll autorip? |
| 21:49.11 | PoeticIntensity | I have no idea. |
| 21:49.22 | PoeticIntensity | I'll keep in contact with this guy to see if what he's found actually works. |
| 21:49.33 | PoeticIntensity | I'd be willing to bet $100.00 it doesn't. |
| 21:49.49 | mindjuju | handbrake is the closest, but not hardly 100%, maybe closer to 80% |
| 21:49.55 | mindjuju | that is 2 out of 10 rips fail |
| 21:49.58 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
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| 21:52.47 | orsonj | speaking of dvd rip, I've got ubuntu installed on an external drive and am about to try ripping some dvds onto it. any suggestions? |
| 21:53.08 | orsonj | I have vlc, mplayer and libdvdcss2 instlled already. |
| 21:53.25 | PoeticIntensity | mplayer -dumpstream dvd:// |
| 21:53.29 | orsonj | I also put dvdrip on |
| 21:53.31 | PoeticIntensity | best command ever created. |
| 21:53.53 | beandog | ++ |
| 21:55.28 | PoeticIntensity | man, this song is awesome. |
| 21:59.06 | PoeticIntensity | orsonj, I used dvdrip for a long time... |
| 21:59.24 | PoeticIntensity | now I just use the mplayer command in conjunction with a transcode command to encode it. |
| 21:59.40 | PoeticIntensity | beandog has a fantastic app he's built to do all that crud for ya... |
| 21:59.47 | PoeticIntensity | I think it's called "bend" |
| 21:59.57 | PoeticIntensity | not sure I'm remembering correctly, though. |
| 22:00.20 | beandog | dvd2mkv? |
| 22:01.18 | beandog | bend is for encoding lots of stuff at once, designed for TV shows |
| 22:01.22 | beandog | dvd2mkv is for one disc at a time |
| 22:01.24 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 22:01.54 | RedHeron | Okay, so... my daughter grabbed the tray on the old DVD player and decided it would make a great spot to climb on top of the computer with... anyone know of a good, relatively inexpensive SATA DVD burner? |
| 22:01.57 | beandog | but it'll autodetect everything .. highest track that is widescreen, the english track with most channels, etc. |
| 22:02.19 | beandog | RedHeron, I like my LITE-ON |
| 22:02.49 | RedHeron | Never tried the brand, to be honest. |
| 22:02.56 | beandog | not really near ready to be released, tho -_- |
| 22:03.24 | PoeticIntensity | I agree... I've had good luck with Lite-Ons... |
| 22:03.44 | PoeticIntensity | (and boxes with closing lids which hide the CDROM / Power / Reset buttons / etc...) |
| 22:04.04 | mindjuju | has anybody ever heard of notchup.com? |
| 22:04.06 | RedHeron | Oh, hey, that sounds like a great thing if my daughter gets into the office again... |
| 22:04.14 | PoeticIntensity | oh yeah... |
| 22:04.26 | PoeticIntensity | with kids, I never buy anything with open front-panels... |
| 22:04.32 | PoeticIntensity | it's all gotta have lock / key, too. |
| 22:04.47 | PoeticIntensity | the Sonata II and III are fantastic boxes if you have kids. |
| 22:04.55 | PoeticIntensity | (Antec) |
| 22:05.01 | RedHeron | It did. I stepped away to answer the phone, and the front door was the first thing to go. |
| 22:05.13 | PoeticIntensity | bah! |
| 22:05.29 | PoeticIntensity | it wasn't locked, was it? |
| 22:05.33 | RedHeron | If I ever get rich, I'll look at one of those ASUS cases ... ventro, I think. |
| 22:05.49 | RedHeron | I was in the middle of changing disks and didn't even know she was in the house. |
| 22:06.00 | PoeticIntensity | ah, man! |
| 22:06.07 | PoeticIntensity | that sucketh. |
| 22:06.32 | RedHeron | Yep... whole case front and DVD is onee fell swoop |
| 22:06.43 | RedHeron | s/onee/one/ |
| 22:06.45 | PoeticIntensity | ouch! |
| 22:07.09 | RedHeron | Just about 30 minutes ago. |
| 22:07.24 | RedHeron | Yeah, I was about ready to hit the roof. |
| 22:08.30 | RedHeron | Can't be mad at her, though. |
| 22:08.40 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 22:08.40 | RedHeron | Was my own rush to get the phone. |
| 22:09.31 | RedHeron | Okay, so... Newegg has one for under $30 ... any particular one I should look at? |
| 22:10.15 | beandog | a dvd burner for $30? |
| 22:10.16 | beandog | thats nice. |
| 22:10.31 | RedHeron | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106228 |
| 22:10.35 | RedHeron | $25 |
| 22:11.12 | beandog | oh, its IDE? |
| 22:11.18 | PoeticIntensity | looks great, man! |
| 22:11.23 | RedHeron | Gah, missed that. |
| 22:11.37 | beandog | I guess it is, doesnt say SATA |
| 22:11.42 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 22:11.45 | PoeticIntensity | the back picture confirms it. |
| 22:12.35 | PoeticIntensity | Do you need a burner? |
| 22:12.44 | RedHeron | Just over $30 including shipping for this one... |
| 22:12.44 | RedHeron | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106070 |
| 22:12.47 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106100 |
| 22:12.56 | PoeticIntensity | that was doesn't burn DVDs, but it does everythning else |
| 22:13.07 | RedHeron | The one I just posted is a burner. |
| 22:13.26 | PoeticIntensity | looks great. |
| 22:13.31 | PoeticIntensity | that's a great price, too. |
| 22:13.36 | RedHeron | And yes, it has to be a burner... I'm not backing up 120gb of data without a burner. :D |
| 22:13.45 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha. |
| 22:13.58 | PoeticIntensity | man.... I'm not sure how I feel about SATA CD / DVD stuff yet... |
| 22:14.10 | PoeticIntensity | I doubt there's any performance upgrade from IDE. |
| 22:14.24 | PoeticIntensity | and I like freeing up my SATAs for hard drives. |
| 22:14.27 | RedHeron | I haven't had an issue yet, and there isn't, but SATA is what my motherboard has. |
| 22:14.40 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 22:14.43 | PoeticIntensity | no IDE? |
| 22:14.44 | RedHeron | IDE's are both occupied with hard drives. |
| 22:14.48 | PoeticIntensity | ah.. |
| 22:14.49 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 22:14.54 | PoeticIntensity | s'all good. |
| 22:15.27 | RedHeron | When I have the money, I'll be getting a SATA HDD but until then... that's what I have. |
| 22:16.05 | RedHeron | And I'm on another deadline in about 15 days, where I need to send a DVD to a client for review of the stuff I'm doing. |
| 22:17.31 | RedHeron | Anyway, so... Lite-Ons ... Seriously, I don't know why I've never owned one, I've seen them all over the place. |
| 22:18.37 | xilch|w | I've never had problems with mine |
| 22:19.05 | xilch|w | (I've bought over 15 for home and work use) |
| 22:19.36 | RedHeron | I've never heard one way or the other on them... and even with the stuff I build, I tend to buy name brands so that clients don't question the quality, etc. |
| 22:21.29 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, actually I think there is a noticable speed increase |
| 22:21.36 | beandog | but that could just be a placebo effect. |
| 22:21.43 | beandog | it sure *seems* snappier. |
| 22:21.49 | beandog | I should test it, Ive got some at h ome. |
| 22:21.58 | beandog | either way, Im all for the no-ATA drivers badge. :) |
| 22:22.00 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a SATA at work. |
| 22:22.02 | RedHeron | beandog: It likely is, since the limitation is based on the read by the laser, and is still slower than IDE. |
| 22:22.03 | PoeticIntensity | all IDE at home. |
| 22:22.34 | RedHeron | Might *react* quicker to start or stop, but that might be it. |
| 22:22.52 | xilch|w | if the sata is newer it probably spins faster |
| 22:23.03 | xilch|w | I swear mine sounds like a jet engine spooling up |
| 22:23.14 | RedHeron | If it spins faster, that would mean a higher oversampling rate. |
| 22:23.36 | beandog | RedHeron, thast probably it |
| 22:23.39 | beandog | the startup |
| 22:24.39 | RedHeron | I have noticed that the SATA hardware tends to react a little sooner, but once going, the limitations of the hardware itself become more apparent. |
| 22:25.06 | RedHeron | So... optical drives, no.... SSD's, yes. :D |
| 22:26.32 | RedHeron | Here we go.... |
| 22:26.32 | RedHeron | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151153 |
| 22:26.49 | RedHeron | $27 + free shipping. :D |
| 22:28.44 | RedHeron | Samsung, but hey. |
| 22:29.13 | beandog | oh man |
| 22:29.14 | beandog | dont do it. |
| 22:29.42 | RedHeron | Yeah, I'm kinda leaning away from it, looking at the specs. |
| 22:29.56 | beandog | now_playing[Michael Land - The Dig - Mission to the Asteroid] length[0:24/9:59] |
| 22:29.57 | RedHeron | The Lite-On seemed better, marginally. |
| 22:30.19 | beandog | Ive never had problems with mine |
| 22:30.27 | beandog | the firmware seems pretty robust. |
| 22:31.15 | RedHeron | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106228 |
| 22:31.28 | RedHeron | Lite-on, cheaper than the Samsung, and again with the free shipping. |
| 22:31.36 | RedHeron | $25 |
| 22:31.39 | beandog | although I guess if your daughter is going to use it as a jungle gym, it doesnt really matter. :) |
| 22:32.08 | RedHeron | The price is the issue, on that. ;-) |
| 22:32.44 | RedHeron | Cheaper to replace cheap stuff as it's destroyed... I just don't want it wearing out in 30 minutes (like the last Samsung burner I had). |
| 22:32.49 | PoeticIntensity | I've been buyin' em' for years now... |
| 22:33.02 | PoeticIntensity | they all do their job. |
| 22:33.57 | RedHeron | That's a good thing. |
| 22:57.21 | mindjuju | wow, thebigdog never came in today |
| 22:57.27 | mindjuju | wanted to talk to that guy |
| 23:49.32 | brasto | i have a js function that adds items to a page on click. I now want to enforce a check that will not allow the item to be added if it has already been added. Each item has a unique id i can check against. Any ideas on how i can do this check? |
| 23:51.04 | brasto | e.g.: say you have some play list items to choose from. you click a playlist item on one part of a page and it adds it to another part of the page that lists what you have chosen. |
| 23:51.21 | PoeticIntensity | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-cat-on-vomiting-person.jpg |
| 23:51.24 | mgeary | use the id as a key of an object/array |
| 23:51.27 | brasto | in that case, i'd want to make it so I can't add an item twice |
| 23:51.45 | mgeary | someobject[key_num] = "abc"; |
| 23:56.39 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN5rHs08QVk |
| 23:58.00 | PoeticIntensity | eeeeeeenteresting. |
| 23:58.26 | beandog | banana crepes ... cheese and grapes |
| 23:59.13 | mindjuju | ya'll liked it |
