| 00:01.24 | mgeary | door's open, if you're interested |
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| 00:16.07 | mgeary | timinator_: ? |
| 00:17.58 | timinator_ | I'm here |
| 00:18.12 | timinator_ | on/offline cause of an electrician |
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| 00:25.32 | timinator | mgeary? |
| 00:25.41 | mgeary | hey |
| 00:25.46 | timinator | hey |
| 00:25.49 | timinator | sorry bout that |
| 00:26.01 | timinator | electrician keeps pulling the plug on me |
| 00:26.09 | timinator | even though he's working on another part of the house |
| 00:26.10 | timinator | :) |
| 00:26.50 | timinator | BRB |
| 00:27.09 | mgeary | heh |
| 00:31.51 | mgeary | timinator: i've got to head out |
| 00:31.55 | SunSparc | Later everyone |
| 00:31.57 | mgeary | hit me tomorrow |
| 00:32.02 | dataw0lf | cya guys |
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| 00:51.49 | timinator | back.... but I'm going to call it a day too.... later guys |
| 00:54.57 | dataw0lf | I'm out |
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| 01:08.15 | trevy1 | http://xmlgui.esourcehome.com/ I got it working kinda |
| 01:08.22 | trevy1 | I need to enable key changes |
| 01:08.28 | trevy1 | but it is working. |
| 01:10.24 | trevy1 | No love :| |
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| 01:26.25 | bradym | has anyone read this? http://www.ysearchblog.com/archives/000524.html |
| 01:26.39 | bradym | can't figure out what the benefit is |
| 01:27.18 | mindjuju | that's cool |
| 01:27.30 | mindjuju | benefit = 1 sitemap sent to 3 main search engines |
| 01:27.47 | mindjuju | instead of having to create 3 versions of the sitemap to send to respective search engine |
| 01:28.10 | trevy1 | This is gay:http://zypexce.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:29.19 | trevy1 | Some novice users couldnt edit a XMl file |
| 01:36.57 | bradym | mindjuju: i thought you could already do that? |
| 01:37.15 | trevy1 | Edit the fileds and hit sumbit |
| 01:37.23 | trevy1 | it rewrites the arrya to an XML file |
| 01:38.54 | mindjuju | bradym, AFAIK yahoo and google sitemap xml was different. never actually submitted to Yahoo, but google yes |
| 01:39.04 | mindjuju | so this makes it so that I can make one standard one and pass to 3 |
| 01:40.27 | bradym | trevy1: any tool to enable business users making content changes themselves are good in my book |
| 01:40.47 | trevy1 | Sweet :)! |
| 01:40.50 | bradym | mindjuju: hmm.. from the article it sounds like that's been available since 2006? guess i'm just reading it wrong |
| 01:41.40 | mindjuju | really? news to me, but welcome just the same |
| 01:43.07 | bradym | "Our collaboration with Google and Microsoft began back in November 2006 when we announced joint support for the Sitemaps protocol." |
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| 04:32.06 | burnin | so, umm, css hack question. How common is it to specify a css parameter value and then immediately specify a different value? i.e. .content { height:auto !important; height:100px; } |
| 04:32.15 | burnin | isn't that invalid css? |
| 04:32.57 | burnin | and, since it is an IE hack, is it important that one parameter setting immediately follows the other? I guess thats more of an IE hack question than a css question. |
| 04:33.25 | burnin | if .content{ height:auto !important; } is specified in an HTML header file... |
| 04:33.51 | burnin | and later on the style is further defined with .content{ height: 100px; } I'm wondering if the hack would still work. |
| 04:33.57 | burnin | I guess I can just test that. |
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| 15:32.18 | timinator | morning guys |
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| 15:56.53 | timinator | mornin' SunSparc |
| 15:57.07 | timinator | and _psychic_ fungus thebigdog |
| 15:57.08 | timinator | :) |
| 15:57.14 | _psychic_ | monin |
| 15:57.21 | thebigdog | morning |
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| 15:57.45 | SunSparc | ditto |
| 16:09.43 | SunSparc | Assuming **** stands for good. |
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| 16:41.27 | wps | I have some coworkers that think I have a rabbit in my butt |
| 16:41.56 | wps | oh? another project? and you want it done today as well? oh, it needs to be live within the hour? |
| 16:42.05 | wps | well… let me just reach around and pull it out |
| 16:43.56 | SunSparc | wps: If I was not so distracted by laughing, I would have to ask how uncomfortable that must be. |
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| 18:21.58 | mindjuju | ah, swb - good morning to ya |
| 18:22.14 | mindjuju | though it sounds like fungus may be having a bad morning on his side of the net |
| 18:22.33 | fungus | Every morning is a bad morning. |
| 18:22.46 | fungus | mornings just plain suck |
| 18:23.00 | mindjuju | yeah, true that, i'm nocturnal by nature |
| 18:23.32 | mindjuju | to wake up by 7a, i need at least 6 hours of sleep, to wake up by 11a, i need 3 |
| 18:23.46 | swb | good morning |
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| 18:44.23 | mindjuju | not to raise another political discussion, and no, this isn't tasers |
| 18:44.30 | mindjuju | end software patents? - http://legalpad.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/02/28/ending-software-patents-has-the-time-come/ |
| 18:44.59 | dataw0lf | http://billboardliberation.com/HQ.html |
| 18:56.21 | mindjuju | has anybody tried goolag yet? |
| 18:56.33 | mindjuju | dataw0lf ? |
| 19:01.34 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: nah, we actually use a custom app for Google pen testing. |
| 19:03.02 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: regarding political discussions... |
| 19:03.08 | optikal | I'll be playing with a GoogleMini soon. That should be fun. |
| 19:03.21 | Utah_Dave | I read an interesting article the other day. I think it was washington times |
| 19:03.27 | optikal | But Goolag seems like a decent hack to avoid having to drop $2k+ for a Mini. |
| 19:04.17 | Utah_Dave | basically the guy was saying that if everyone wants to claim "Intellectual Property" on everything they create, then they should have to pay property taxes on the "Intellectual Property" |
| 19:04.29 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:04.59 | Utah_Dave | he felt that the result would be that anything that's not actually bringing in money for a company will be put into the public domain so they don't have to pay taxes on it |
| 19:05.10 | Utah_Dave | I don't know if it's really workable |
| 19:05.24 | Utah_Dave | but it was an interesting way to look at things |
| 19:05.30 | mindjuju | do you have the link for it? |
| 19:06.05 | Utah_Dave | I do, give me a sec. |
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| 19:33.52 | opapo | how do I get ffmpeg-php to see the ffmpeg I installed? |
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| 19:56.01 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: sorry it took so long. I got called away from my desk |
| 19:56.03 | Utah_Dave | http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-weaver20feb20,0,1675278.story |
| 19:56.53 | mindjuju | thx utah_dave |
| 19:58.18 | mgeary | all Americans are absolutely convinced that someday they will be rich and powerful, and they don't want to deprive their future selves of any possible advantage |
| 20:01.03 | mindjuju | well, not *ALL* Americans |
| 20:01.14 | mgeary | a huge number |
| 20:01.39 | mindjuju | would it be safe to say that if patent reform were coming, you'd lend your voice to the coalition ? |
| 20:01.49 | mgeary | Vonnegut does a scathing, yet eerily accurate (imo) analysis of Americans in Slaughterhouse 5 |
| 20:01.55 | mindjuju | provided you agreed to the tenants, all things be equal... etc etc |
| 20:02.06 | burnin | my views on patents have become extreme over the last few years, but I don't believe we need any laws banning software patents. The current law is pretty clear in its definitions and software is pretty much unpatentable. Lawyers have created the mess we have today with "software patents" |
| 20:02.19 | mgeary | i'm against software patents |
| 20:02.37 | mindjuju | whew! our nums just doubled! |
| 20:02.54 | mindjuju | i'm guessing burnin on some level, may join us |
| 20:03.58 | burnin | if your against software patents I'm with you. but I'd go even further and say that even non-software patents are pretty much hosed at this point. |
| 20:05.00 | mindjuju | and I would further argue that many Americans would be for patent reform, if properly educated |
| 20:05.16 | burnin | I'd have to re-research all the cases again, but I used to think the patent system was a good thing and gaming the system was just something new. In fact the system has been gamed pretty much since its inception. |
| 20:05.43 | mgeary | though, again, it's not just about numbers. If a law was passed that said, "anyone who makes over $200k/year has to forfeit everything above that amount and share it with those who make less". You would think you could easily get a vast majority of Americans to support such a law, since i'd imagine less than 10 percent of American's earn more than $200k/year. So, why doesn't such a law exist? Well, A) see my first comment about American's believing they'll be |
| 20:05.53 | mgeary | that smiley is supposed to be B ) |
| 20:07.08 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: I think your example has more to do with people believing it wrong to take someone's property from them. |
| 20:07.25 | burnin | mgeary, I don't think I'd go for the $200k number, it would need to be higher. |
| 20:07.37 | mgeary | i dunno. maybe |
| 20:08.00 | mgeary | burnin: is that because you believe you'll someday make more than $200k? :) |
| 20:08.04 | burnin | Utah_Dave, but it also has alot to do with what is ingrained in our brains as we grow up. |
| 20:08.33 | thebigdog | any windows gurus on |
| 20:08.34 | burnin | Utah_Dave, looking at it another way some of the very wealth have their vast wealth by basically taking it from everyone else. |
| 20:08.36 | burnin | :) |
| 20:09.11 | burnin | mgeary, as a household there have already been years where we made over $200k/year. |
| 20:09.24 | burnin | mgeary, I'm currently over $100k/year on my income alone. |
| 20:09.25 | mgeary | hence your opposition ;) |
| 20:09.36 | Utah_Dave | burnin: tell me about someone who has made their vast wealth by taking it from someone else |
| 20:10.35 | burnin | Utah_Dave, how about the wealthiest in the States, Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, etc. They didn't write the software that is making them billions, they are just at the top of the heap. |
| 20:10.46 | mgeary | i'm not saying i'd support such a law, i'm just saying if you took a strictly popular vote, you might well get overwhelming support for such a law |
| 20:11.05 | burnin | The wealthiest of the wealthy determine their own cut and how much everyone below them gets. |
| 20:11.14 | Utah_Dave | burnin: Uh, yes, they did write the software. |
| 20:11.15 | burnin | I suppose you could argue that the market bares that out. |
| 20:11.29 | burnin | Utah_Dave, uh, Steve Ballmer wrote MS Office 2007? |
| 20:11.58 | Utah_Dave | burnin: so are you saying that any person who hires an employee is stealing from their employees? |
| 20:12.19 | Utah_Dave | I'm sure that's not what you mean |
| 20:12.26 | burnin | Utah_Dave, I told you there was another way of looking at it. :) |
| 20:12.37 | burnin | Utah_Dave, I don't think I said stealing, just taking. |
| 20:12.55 | Utah_Dave | so are you saying that any person who hires an employee is taking from their employees? |
| 20:14.05 | burnin | sure, from a different perspective, they are. It works out beneficially to both, but honestly yes, in most cases the employer is taking the productivity of the employee, making a profit, and giving some of that employees gains back to the employee. |
| 20:14.20 | burnin | is that incorrect? :) |
| 20:14.42 | Utah_Dave | yeah, but you make it sound like their exploiting the employee. |
| 20:14.50 | burnin | heh, they are |
| 20:15.14 | burnin | exploit sounds extreme, but if you look at the wealth distribution in the world I think exploit is a pretty good description. |
| 20:16.33 | burnin | I hope I'm not being offensive, I don't mean to be. And these are some extreme views and not necessarily 100% my beliefs. I'm just saying there is another way of looking at the picture. |
| 20:17.05 | burnin | As of late I've started considering alternate perspectives because there are some really messed up things in our economy, society, etc. |
| 20:17.20 | Utah_Dave | Oh, I don't think you're being offensive at all. I can see how you're looking at that and making a point. |
| 20:17.38 | Utah_Dave | I agree there needs to be some changes to our economy and society |
| 20:18.34 | burnin | I guess I could put it this way, did Bill Gates produce $40 billion dollars worth of software on his own? And if he didn't, did he share the wealth evenly based on productivity, risk, etc? |
| 20:18.35 | Utah_Dave | Putting all politics and policy debates aside, I think we need each person to be responsible for taking care of themselves and their family. |
| 20:19.13 | Utah_Dave | why would he have to share the wealth evenly based on productivity? |
| 20:20.19 | Utah_Dave | If I could pay you, burnin, to make a piece of software for me for $100,000 and then turn around and sell it for $5,000,000 that would be entirely ethical |
| 20:20.25 | burnin | I didn't say he should. I'm just curious if he actually earned what he took away from Microsoft. |
| 20:21.05 | Utah_Dave | You got paid what you agreed to, and I can find the best buyer for that software |
| 20:21.32 | burnin | is it ethical to con people out of their money? |
| 20:21.43 | burnin | I mean if they agree to the scam and all. :) |
| 20:21.52 | Utah_Dave | no, but was anyone conned in that scenario? |
| 20:21.59 | Utah_Dave | who was conned there? |
| 20:22.44 | burnin | I guess it depends. If that $100k you paid me was all I ever made off the deal and your $5 million dollar business makes it difficult or impossible for me to make a living, then maybe I was conned. |
| 20:22.59 | burnin | Its a bit more complex than the single transaction. |
| 20:23.31 | Utah_Dave | no way. If you and I make a deal for $100,000 and you weren't coerced into it, then that's a perfectly ethical deal |
| 20:24.04 | Utah_Dave | Now that I've paid to have the software developed and I own the copyright,etc. Then I can do whatever I want with it. |
| 20:25.23 | burnin | wow, I've got to get back to work, but back to the beginning, about giving up anything over $200k, and whether your giving up your own property, in a way that wealth was made possible but a system much more complex than the concept of whats mine is mine and whats yours is yours. |
| 20:25.39 | burnin | I'd be reluctant to agree to the $200k limit |
| 20:25.45 | burnin | maybe because I'm greedy, I dunno. |
| 20:25.51 | Utah_Dave | no, people make it complex. It's not that complex |
| 20:26.06 | burnin | but I can also see how the extremes in our economy seem rather bizarre. |
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| 20:26.58 | Utah_Dave | there are abuses. Sometimes I wonder if we should change it to "We, the Corporations..." instead of "We, the People..." |
| 20:27.34 | burnin | well, that is where its headed, it doesn't say we the people, but the laws and politicians are bought and paid for by corps. |
| 20:27.37 | RedHeron | Utah_Dave: that's called fascism. |
| 20:27.55 | burnin | we the people can't even get a seat in a government meeting to voice concern. |
| 20:27.56 | burnin | :) |
| 20:28.18 | RedHeron | Thus, Obama. |
| 20:28.23 | burnin | but I've got to get back to work, give in to some more exploitation. :) |
| 20:28.26 | burnin | later guys. |
| 20:28.29 | RedHeron | l8rz |
| 20:29.19 | RedHeron | Hey, can anyone tell me how to get CSS-linked padding not to jump around under MSIE? It's rock-solid in FF but in Explorer it starts moving when it hovers. |
| 20:29.31 | RedHeron | Expanding the line, etc. |
| 20:30.29 | RedHeron | Sorry if I'm on-topic. :p |
| 20:33.03 | timinator | RedHeron: you can hack IE by adding a _padding: after your padding: |
| 20:33.13 | timinator | IE will see the _padding, FF will not |
| 20:33.30 | timinator | FF will see one padding: |
| 20:33.33 | RedHeron | timinator: msie is already adding extra padding. |
| 20:33.34 | timinator | IE will see 2 |
| 20:34.02 | timinator | I realize that.... I'm telling you how to set different values for FF and IE |
| 20:34.19 | timinator | padding: 20px; _padding: 10px; |
| 20:34.27 | timinator | FF will use 20px, IE 10px |
| 20:34.46 | RedHeron | So the second one will take precedence? |
| 20:34.52 | timinator | always |
| 20:34.57 | RedHeron | Nice. |
| 20:34.59 | timinator | but FF won't see it |
| 20:35.06 | RedHeron | Thanks, timinator! |
| 20:35.09 | timinator | NP |
| 20:36.14 | RedHeron | I know what I meant. |
| 20:47.16 | RedHeron | timinator: it's not working... still shows up and now in both browsers... |
| 20:48.09 | RedHeron | I think I'm going to have to add an "msie-fix.css" variant. |
| 20:49.44 | mindjuju | sorry i bailed on you gents int he middle of the discussino, had to teach the padawan that when the boss wants something done, he wants it done right |
| 20:52.43 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: you scared dataw0lf off! |
| 20:53.13 | mindjuju | :) heh - not likely |
| 20:53.32 | mindjuju | utah_dave - saw your arguments, agree with them |
| 21:07.24 | Utah_Dave | cool |
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| 21:27.39 | mgeary | no matter how long you nuke your microwave burrito, there's always a cold spot in the middle... obviously my burritos have a length that is incompatible with the wavelength used by my microwave :/ |
| 21:28.10 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:30.47 | beandog | just cut them open a bit with a knife |
| 21:30.47 | beandog | and thatll fix it |
| 21:34.45 | mindjuju | prolly a green laser |
| 21:35.09 | mindjuju | that way it cauterizes as it cuts |
| 21:38.51 | RedHeron | mindjuju: Argon lasers sting when they slice through a finger, I'm told. |
| 21:40.08 | mindjuju | yeah, but a burrito would dead by the time it were in deep freeze so i'd imagine it wouldn't be painful to the burrito |
| 21:40.20 | mindjuju | though a live burrito would definiteny feel it |
| 21:41.02 | mgeary | would Han Solo have felt it if his carbonite cocoon had broken in half? |
| 21:41.17 | RedHeron | mgeary: If it was so, not for long. |
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| 22:10.41 | mgeary | anyone here used Authorize.Net's CIM features before? |
| 22:11.28 | *** join/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130) |
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| 22:51.19 | SunSparc | CIM or AIM? |
| 22:51.25 | mgeary | CIM |
| 22:51.46 | SunSparc | Not I. I have only implemented AIM. |
| 22:51.49 | mgeary | they're handy, and the xml interface is much nicer than the raw data you deal with in AIM |
| 22:51.55 | mgeary | but you can't issue a refund via CIM :/ |
| 22:56.46 | mgeary | SunSparc: have you ever tried to do a refund using a AIM on a Developer account? |
| 22:57.47 | SunSparc | It has been a while, but I can't say that I remember doing a refund. |
| 22:58.04 | mgeary | k |
| 23:02.39 | SunSparc | Is that what you are trying to do? |
| 23:02.44 | mgeary | yup |
| 23:03.19 | mgeary | oh |
| 23:03.22 | mgeary | found something |
| 23:03.28 | SunSparc | Yeah? |
| 23:03.44 | mgeary | was sending x_tran_key instead of x_tran_id |
| 23:04.00 | mgeary | better |
| 23:06.44 | mgeary | now i'm getting "invalid cc num" errors, but considering that it *is* a bogus card #, that might be alright |
| 23:07.00 | mgeary | though the txn went through with the bogus/test # originally |
| 23:07.02 | mgeary | :/ |
| 23:08.02 | SunSparc | You can use valid test cc numbers |
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| 23:19.18 | thebigdog | 4111111111111111 |
| 23:20.21 | mgeary | that's what i'm using |
| 23:20.28 | SunSparc | Hey! Don't give out your credit card information here! |
| 23:20.41 | mgeary | but yeah, since it's a dev account, i'll try a real # |
| 23:20.50 | beandog | yah, give out SunSparc's info |
| 23:20.56 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:34.46 | wps | you guys hear about the Prosper employee suing the company for waterboarding torture? |
| 23:39.02 | SunSparc | LOL |
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| 23:47.11 | *** join/#uphpu Jacob_Kerr (n=Jacob_Ke@72.25.165.83) |
| 23:47.17 | Jacob_Kerr | Hey guys! |
| 23:48.20 | Jacob_Kerr | I have a quick question :)... I want to setup a switch case and have one of the cases check for multiple values ("1" || "2" || "3").. Is that possible? |
| 23:48.34 | mgeary | sure |
| 23:48.38 | mgeary | switch($a){ |
| 23:48.44 | mgeary | case "1": |
| 23:48.47 | mgeary | case "2": |
| 23:48.50 | mgeary | case "3": |
| 23:48.53 | olds | poop |
| 23:48.56 | mgeary | put code for cases 1-3 here |
| 23:49.00 | mgeary | break; |
| 23:49.07 | _psychic_ | you've got a little poop in that code though |
| 23:49.12 | olds | yea |
| 23:49.14 | mgeary | happens a lot |
| 23:49.18 | beandog | poop? |
| 23:49.20 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL |
| 23:49.36 | mgeary | well you know, when you've got kids, poop tends to show up in strange places |
| 23:49.57 | Jacob_Kerr | Oh I c setup a bunch of case before my code output and break... |
| 23:50.07 | Jacob_Kerr | Genius! |
| 23:50.23 | mindjuju | k, this is a weird question, even for me, but here it goes |
| 23:50.32 | mindjuju | does anybody know about testing for meth |
| 23:50.42 | mindjuju | or testing for mold? |
| 23:50.55 | _psychic_ | "testing" ? |
| 23:51.00 | Jacob_Kerr | Oh yeah I went in for a test the other day... |
| 23:51.00 | mindjuju | i'm buying a house |
| 23:51.05 | beandog | did you try smoking it? |
| 23:51.08 | Jacob_Kerr | Muahahaha Just Kidding.. |
| 23:51.09 | mgeary | hahaahahaha |
| 23:51.17 | mindjuju | want to test before i buy |
| 23:51.36 | beandog | which way will a positive outcome influence your decision/ |
| 23:51.38 | mgeary | i'd call a couple of home inspectors and see if they can recommend someone |
| 23:51.38 | mindjuju | have read stories in readers digest and other publications about new home owners walking into houses with probs |
| 23:51.46 | Jacob_Kerr | Lick the walls and if you can not sleep for more then 24 hours it did not pass the good old meth test.. |
| 23:52.09 | beandog | that's a good way to check for lead, too |
| 23:52.15 | beandog | just lick everything |
| 23:52.17 | mindjuju | yeah, was going to say |
| 23:52.18 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL |
| 23:54.21 | mindjuju | and forgo licking the walls |
| 23:54.35 | beandog | wuss |
| 23:54.37 | herlo | mindjuju: licking the walls works though |
| 23:54.50 | mindjuju | though that does beg the question |
| 23:54.53 | herlo | mindjuju: everybody's doing it... |
| 23:54.59 | herlo | come on and do it! |
| 23:55.01 | mindjuju | beandog, how much do you charge to lick the walls? |
| 23:55.10 | mindjuju | maybe 'll have you do it |