| 00:02.27 | timinator | I'm out .... later guys |
| 00:17.15 | beandog | I can hear the birdies outside my window |
| 00:17.33 | beandog | I wish I had a pellet gun |
| 00:20.12 | dataw0lf | what form generator/validator classes do you guys use in PHP? |
| 00:20.24 | nickwebcoukok | WOW - using bitmaps are actually *pretty* easy.. Why on earth havnt I seen this before? :D |
| 00:20.42 | nickwebcoukok | + just got myself notepad++ - amazing little tool! :D |
| 00:26.01 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: I use CakePHP's bake tool for generating and validating. |
| 00:28.30 | beandog | dataw0lf, I wrote my own, whee! |
| 00:29.46 | SunSparc | Night all! |
| 00:30.26 | swb | dataw0lf, I've used HTML_QuickForm |
| 00:30.28 | swb | http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Web-Design-Usability/Using-HTML-QuickForm-To-Manage-Web-Forms-Part-1/ |
| 00:31.13 | dataw0lf | Ugh. Looks like, yet again, I'm writing one. |
| 00:31.20 | dataw0lf | I think I'm going to make it much like Django's newforms |
| 00:33.17 | mindjuju | you're still here swb? |
| 00:33.21 | swb | yep |
| 00:33.23 | mindjuju | where be my camera discount! |
| 00:33.28 | swb | :) |
| 00:33.31 | beandog | herlo, le ping |
| 00:33.34 | dataw0lf | I can't believe we haven't written a proper form processor at my job for a client yet. |
| 00:35.28 | mindjuju | Where the heck is cole_joplin ? |
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| 00:52.04 | Utah_Dave | later, folks! |
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| 02:16.57 | thebigdog | evening all |
| 02:33.18 | undertakingyou | ~greet macnewbold |
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| 15:54.34 | SunSparc | Idiot of the day, right here -> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/article853274.ece |
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| 16:32.01 | beandog | I'm your only friend |
| 16:32.01 | beandog | I'm not your only friend |
| 16:32.01 | beandog | But I'm a little glowing friend |
| 16:32.01 | beandog | But really I'm not actually your friend |
| 16:32.01 | beandog | But I am |
| 16:33.11 | mindjuju | beandog, do you have a little birdhouse in your soul? |
| 16:33.21 | beandog | :) |
| 16:35.13 | beandog | actually Im listening to some Beth Quist this morning |
| 16:35.14 | beandog | great stuff |
| 16:35.15 | beandog | now_playing[Beth Quist - Silver - Monsters] length[0:30/5:41] |
| 16:37.56 | mgeary | ping dataw0lf |
| 16:38.06 | mgeary | you asked last night about form generation & validation |
| 16:38.47 | beandog | at work we have tiny little website gnomes that do our validation. |
| 16:40.26 | dataw0lf | mgeary: yea |
| 16:40.38 | mgeary | i've had good results with QuickForm |
| 16:40.53 | mgeary | i've modified a few things in it, but for the most part, i like it's paradigm |
| 16:41.39 | dataw0lf | hmmm, alright |
| 16:41.43 | mgeary | i've built some deep integration between QF and our ActiveRecord class, so the fields can be auto-generated and have built-in validation |
| 16:41.51 | dataw0lf | looking through the auto api docs for QF2, looks decent |
| 16:41.59 | mgeary | haven't done anything yet with QF2 |
| 16:42.01 | mgeary | just QF1 |
| 16:42.02 | dataw0lf | and what I was looking for as far as structure basically |
| 16:42.10 | dataw0lf | I'll check out QF2, danke |
| 16:42.13 | mgeary | gerne |
| 17:00.03 | dataw0lf | mgeary: QuickForm looks close to what I was looking for. Easy to extend? |
| 17:00.09 | mgeary | not bad |
| 17:00.15 | mgeary | i've built a couple of custom elements |
| 17:00.22 | dataw0lf | word |
| 17:00.34 | mgeary | in QF1 there is one flaw-- elements don't have a built-in reference to their form |
| 17:00.40 | mgeary | so i hacked that in |
| 17:00.43 | dataw0lf | how about coupling javascript validation with the provided validation stuff? |
| 17:00.50 | mgeary | that comes for free |
| 17:00.56 | dataw0lf | very nice |
| 17:01.17 | mgeary | one thing that *is* a bit tricky is if you need very custom JS validation |
| 17:01.27 | mgeary | because you don't have an easy way to intercept the onSubmit() |
| 17:01.39 | mgeary | but there are workarounds. i can show you when/if it comes up |
| 17:01.49 | dataw0lf | alright, I appreciate it. |
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| 17:21.05 | wps | I met you sister last night, swb |
| 17:21.12 | wps | she's a nice girl and very talented |
| 17:21.17 | swb | was it at ugaf??! |
| 17:21.21 | wps | yeah |
| 17:21.29 | swb | ohhhh! I meant to go to that! |
| 17:21.39 | swb | yes, she is very cute |
| 17:21.45 | swb | super talented |
| 17:21.48 | wps | indeed |
| 17:21.51 | swb | :) |
| 17:22.03 | wps | small world |
| 17:22.19 | wps | do you make it to any of her SLC Photo Club events? |
| 17:22.20 | swb | I just started a new job, so I'm a bit out of touch with my calendar or I would have gone!!! |
| 17:22.22 | swb | {sigh} |
| 17:22.32 | swb | did she talk about istock? |
| 17:33.01 | wps | no, she actually didn't even get to present |
| 17:33.03 | wps | I felt really bad |
| 17:33.06 | wps | no one showed :( |
| 17:33.46 | wps | it was great to meet and visit for a bit with her and the Uhls |
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| 17:46.08 | swb | wps, so, will you reschedule? |
| 17:46.22 | wps | yeah, we'll try the same topic/presentor again in the summer |
| 17:46.28 | swb | :) |
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| 18:27.09 | macnewbold | wps: one of the guys here at Code Greene is interested in getting involved with UGAF - where's most of the action? web site? mail list? or somewhere else? |
| 18:30.01 | wps | most action is on the discussion board (website) |
| 18:30.04 | wps | mailing list is second |
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| 19:10.18 | mindjuju | so if i give a mac laptop an ip address of 192.168.0.10 and my win xp laptop 192.168.0.20 and both are on a simple switch, shouldn't that be enough transfer a file? I could see the laptop but it wouldn't let me log in with a user / pss and the mac could never see mine with no firewall on the xp |
| 19:12.10 | mindjuju | who else uses a mac here? |
| 19:12.28 | olds | mmm |
| 19:12.36 | olds | did you turn on filesharing on the mac |
| 19:13.01 | mindjuju | yeah, when enabled, it gave me a login prompt, but wouldn't ever let me log in |
| 19:13.14 | mindjuju | but disabled, i didn't get a prompt at all |
| 19:13.33 | olds | I seem to remember a similar problem |
| 19:13.38 | timinator | I've had a tough time accessing win XP |
| 19:13.42 | timinator | though it was just me |
| 19:14.01 | mindjuju | does the mac come installed with a basic ftp client? |
| 19:14.10 | olds | yea |
| 19:14.11 | olds | ftp |
| 19:14.11 | mindjuju | i installed an ftp server on my xp box |
| 19:14.13 | mindjuju | oh cool! |
| 19:14.16 | mindjuju | what is it and where? |
| 19:14.21 | olds | open up the terminal |
| 19:14.25 | olds | type ftp |
| 19:14.47 | mindjuju | k |
| 19:14.47 | olds | then type |
| 19:14.58 | olds | open user@192.168.0.20 |
| 19:15.00 | brasto | mindjuju - at least for troubleshooting, turn off the xp firewall |
| 19:15.10 | olds | it'll prompt you for the password |
| 19:15.17 | mindjuju | firewall is all the way off on xp |
| 19:15.21 | olds | then you can browse around |
| 19:15.24 | brasto | k |
| 19:15.24 | olds | ls to list |
| 19:15.31 | olds | get filename.php |
| 19:15.34 | olds | to retrieve a file |
| 19:15.39 | olds | put filename.php to put a file on the server |
| 19:16.53 | mindjuju | hmm... was trying to transfer over 12g of files |
| 19:17.18 | mindjuju | if i use something like mput doesn't it require a ocnfirm yes or no on each file? |
| 19:18.07 | olds | I don't think so |
| 19:18.07 | olds | not sure though |
| 19:20.36 | timinator | BRB |
| 19:20.44 | olds | do any of you guys have particular issue with using Zend Framework? |
| 19:20.48 | olds | *issues |
| 19:23.54 | olds | seems like there's some nice features |
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| 19:31.20 | dataw0lf | http://www.projectedinc.com/usergroup/ |
| 19:31.21 | dataw0lf | Huh |
| 19:37.07 | mgeary | looks like a loner |
| 19:37.32 | mgeary | and yes, all, Treeline is happy to confirm that brasto will be starting with us as a PHP Developer on Monday |
| 19:38.03 | dataw0lf | heh |
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| 19:41.00 | mindjuju | congrats brasto! |
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| 20:04.16 | beandog | too quiet. |
| 20:04.19 | beandog | we need more booth babes. |
| 20:06.20 | dataw0lf | lunchtime bbiab |
| 20:06.36 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:13.55 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 20:13.56 | jbot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down influx^^'s throat until influx^^ puts on 150lbs |
| 20:14.40 | influx^^ | *thwack* |
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| 20:23.16 | mindjuju | psh |
| 20:23.53 | mindjuju | channel is @EuroTrance |
| 20:24.04 | mindjuju | it doesn't squeeze fresher than that |
| 20:25.04 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:25.08 | mindjuju | :) - rock on bro! |
| 20:25.27 | SunSparc | Nice. Sometimes I forget I have that. |
| 20:25.30 | SunSparc | Thanks |
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| 20:35.51 | synic | mindjuju: dude, FREq is awesome. |
| 20:36.08 | wps | why an eight star scale? |
| 20:36.36 | synic | not really sure. |
| 20:40.15 | mindjuju | sounds pretty cool, i'll have to queue it up for after AVB |
| 20:44.52 | mindjuju | followed by some Neil Diamond |
| 20:45.22 | mindjuju | rock on! Pink Floyd is awesome! |
| 20:45.32 | mindjuju | but i only put it on after hours cause it has to be loud |
| 20:45.41 | mindjuju | and with visuals |
| 20:45.54 | SunSparc | And some acid |
| 20:46.01 | synic | whoa buddy |
| 20:46.06 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:46.06 | synic | keep that on the down low |
| 20:46.40 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:46.41 | mindjuju | maybe on the march meet, i'll get the projector warmed up with Pink Floyd Pulse |
| 20:46.50 | mindjuju | that's an awesome concert |
| 21:01.12 | swb | I just discovered pandora.com |
| 21:01.15 | swb | nice |
| 21:01.23 | mindjuju | swb! run away from that! |
| 21:01.25 | mindjuju | it's bad! |
| 21:01.29 | swb | lol |
| 21:01.39 | mindjuju | it totally is! it was totally reading my mind |
| 21:01.49 | swb | that's it's job |
| 21:01.51 | mindjuju | knew exactly what music to play |
| 21:02.09 | mindjuju | yeah, but it *could* pull out passwords and other things from your brain too! |
| 21:02.14 | mindjuju | it's way too powerful |
| 21:02.22 | dataw0lf | Pandora |
| 21:02.43 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, don't go near pandora.com without a tinfoil had |
| 21:02.46 | mindjuju | hat, i mean |
| 21:02.53 | dataw0lf | I use imeem |
| 21:02.58 | dataw0lf | no worries |
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| 21:04.02 | optikal | dataw0lf: Pandora is awesome for finding similar music, which imeem sucks at. |
| 21:04.48 | optikal | dataw0lf: It's not like imeem where you can say "I want to listen to this track by this artist"... you just create a station for an artist/genre, and then rate songs as they come up and it tailors that station to your musical taste. |
| 21:04.57 | dataw0lf | I've used Pandora. I hate it. |
| 21:05.03 | optikal | Don't know if I'm telling you stuff you already know... but I got the impression you haven't used it. |
| 21:05.11 | optikal | aaah. I think it's awesome... although I rarely use it. |
| 21:05.19 | dataw0lf | I don't need some machine telling me what I need to listen to randomly. |
| 21:05.25 | dataw0lf | I can figure that out well enough on my own. |
| 21:05.44 | optikal | eh, Neither do I... but if I want to hear stuff I've never heard and would never have listened to but are similar to a specific kind of music I like, it's cool for that. |
| 21:05.56 | optikal | Without having to use Last.fm or similar sites to research similar artists. |
| 21:05.59 | mindjuju | yeah, that's how i found hybrid |
| 21:06.05 | mindjuju | pandora = bad |
| 21:06.24 | mindjuju | i've already bought like 3 hybrid albums because of pandora, out some $$ |
| 21:06.25 | swb | I like pandora! |
| 21:06.47 | dataw0lf | See, this is what friends are for |
| 21:06.49 | dataw0lf | recommending music |
| 21:07.17 | dataw0lf | if you can't figure out what else you'd like when you listen to "Funky Fresh Techno (Remix by MC Sucksalot)", you've got problems. |
| 21:07.20 | optikal | dataw0lf: Yeah... but they have to actually recommend it. You and synic are the only two I know that recommend music to me. |
| 21:07.58 | optikal | On a not-so-regular basis... every once in awhile eco will pop in with something, but that's about it. |
| 21:08.04 | dataw0lf | well, true. You have to have friends that care. |
| 21:08.10 | optikal | I wish I had those. |
| 21:08.30 | optikal | phew! Thanks. |
| 21:08.41 | mindjuju | hey, who came in just like an hour ago saying that AVB was on DI.fm? |
| 21:09.02 | dataw0lf | I've never really gotten the "music / video / etc suggestions" feature that people are so into |
| 21:09.23 | optikal | hehe, AVB was cool for all of 3mos until I found cooler electronic music... now I can't stand typical "Techno" or "Trance", it has to be something more psych or hard. |
| 21:09.30 | dataw0lf | if my tastes were so specific I'd probably hang myself. |
| 21:09.55 | dataw0lf | "omg, you like Rage Against the Machine??!?! OMG YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO AUDIOSLAVE OMG" |
| 21:09.59 | dataw0lf | Uh, Chris Cornell sucks |
| 21:10.22 | dataw0lf | "omg, you like The Strokes?!?! You should listen to the Killers OMG OMG" |
| 21:10.23 | mindjuju | i wonder what will happen if you put RATM into pandora |
| 21:10.24 | dataw0lf | The Killers suck |
| 21:10.39 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: probably something gay like Linkin Park would come up |
| 21:11.06 | mindjuju | the scary thing about pandora is that if they do play something you don't like, you give it a thumb down and it supposedly won't play that kind of stuff again |
| 21:11.16 | mindjuju | though i've found that it didn't work quite as well as hyped |
| 21:11.17 | dataw0lf | yea, I tried that |
| 21:11.38 | dataw0lf | I can see using Pandora infrequently if you're curious |
| 21:12.15 | dataw0lf | but if your musical taste can be defined by an algorithm than you should, logically, be able to figure it out yourself. |
| 21:12.57 | _psychic_ | it's the library that makes it powerful |
| 21:13.02 | mindjuju | yes that's true, where I think pandora excels though is that it is familiar with many artists and has catalogued their style |
| 21:13.08 | _psychic_ | I know what I like, but didn't know about *those guys* that I like |
| 21:13.19 | mindjuju | that reduces the discovery time for you |
| 21:14.07 | mindjuju | though as you say, there are times when you mark a style as no and it seems to keep coming |
| 21:14.19 | mgeary | payola |
| 21:14.27 | dataw0lf | I dunno, I don't like "specific genres" |
| 21:14.30 | dataw0lf | so it doesn't really help me |
| 21:14.32 | dataw0lf | I like some hip hop |
| 21:14.35 | dataw0lf | I think most is trash |
| 21:14.37 | dataw0lf | I like some metal |
| 21:14.39 | dataw0lf | I think most is trash |
| 21:14.51 | mindjuju | what about GWAR? |
| 21:14.58 | dataw0lf | GWAR concerts are fun |
| 21:17.59 | wps | thebigdog wishes he was a GWAR member |
| 21:18.40 | mindjuju | prolly that dude with the roman solider helmet |
| 21:18.54 | optikal | dataw0lf: Yeah, that's how I am... I'll use it to find 2-3 artists and then download stuff from them and listen, but I can't listen to it often because it just doesn't nail it down since my taste varies so much. |
| 21:19.25 | mindjuju | yup, that's why i listen to DI.fm, the techno is alway fresh, can't get bored |
| 21:20.22 | optikal | They have one or two stations I don't mind from time to time... I prefer philosomatika.com though. |
| 21:20.25 | optikal | or hard.fm |
| 21:22.09 | dataw0lf | see, the playlist I have right now: Ballroom Blitz by The Sweet, Time of Season by The Zombies, and Release by Timbaland, etc |
| 21:22.18 | dataw0lf | the day Pandora can come up with that, they WILL be reading minds |
| 21:22.31 | optikal | dataw0lf: Can you share playlists? |
| 21:22.40 | dataw0lf | On imeem? Yea. |
| 21:22.45 | mindjuju | you can share channels |
| 21:22.49 | optikal | dataw0lf: Sweet. You should share some over my way. |
| 21:22.57 | dataw0lf | Aight, I'll set em up. |
| 21:23.08 | optikal | Forgot my damn laptop bag at home today, so no headphones but I'll tune in tomorrows. |
| 21:23.33 | dataw0lf | I'm getting the bluetooth headset for the 360 tonight |
| 21:23.40 | optikal | optikals@gmail.com is my email |
| 21:23.47 | optikal | Bluetooth headset eh? |
| 21:24.15 | _psychic_ | I hate it when people lump in bluegrass with country. :( |
| 21:24.54 | optikal | haha: |
| 21:24.55 | optikal | People search results for stderr |
| 21:24.55 | optikal | Did you mean murder? |
| 21:25.06 | dataw0lf | haha |
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| 21:26.53 | dataw0lf | optikal: yea, I'm going to get the racing chair too. That'd be so much fun on my TV. |
| 21:27.19 | dataw0lf | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8435856&type=product&id=1183160718907 there's the headset. I guess it's not bluetooth. |
| 21:27.42 | optikal | http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/06/26/bluetooth-headset-finally-on-the-way/ |
| 21:27.54 | optikal | If you want it, looks like that ones just over 2wks out |
| 21:28.10 | optikal | That chair setup is super sweet. |
| 21:28.57 | dataw0lf | yea dude with feedback it'll be like I'm actually racing |
| 21:29.11 | optikal | I'd drop $400 on that~ |
| 21:29.23 | dataw0lf | fo sho |
| 21:29.24 | optikal | I love racing games. |
| 21:29.29 | optikal | I grew up playing lots of NFS. |
| 21:29.30 | dataw0lf | yea me too, but only in a chair |
| 21:29.48 | optikal | It is a ton better/more fun when you play arcades in a chair, for sure. |
| 21:30.32 | optikal | dataw0lf: How often do you really use your cam? I'm not really sure I want to drop an extra $30 on live since a headset already came with my Pro box |
| 21:30.44 | dataw0lf | I don't have a cam. |
| 21:30.52 | optikal | oooh. |
| 21:30.58 | optikal | Jeff does, for some reason I was thinking you did. |
| 21:31.07 | dataw0lf | screw cams, all you need is a headset so you can talk smack. |
| 21:31.33 | optikal | You know if there's any difference between the headset that comes with the Pro package and the one that comes in the $79.99 live pack? |
| 21:31.41 | dataw0lf | there's not one |
| 21:31.46 | dataw0lf | both the same Microsoft headset |
| 21:31.52 | dataw0lf | which slowly crumbles away to nothingness |
| 21:32.06 | dataw0lf | (especially if you have ferrets chewing on it all the time) |
| 21:32.31 | optikal | hahah |
| 21:32.44 | optikal | werd... I'll just go with the $49 card then, I don't need no stinkin camera. |
| 21:32.51 | dataw0lf | true dat |
| 21:33.01 | optikal | Perhaps I'll swing by and purchase that on my way home~ |
| 21:33.06 | dataw0lf | aw yea son |
| 21:33.19 | dataw0lf | I'll probably be on later, but after work I gotta meet with the family to discuss the wedding |
| 21:35.46 | dataw0lf | we can have a private match and I'll show you all the great places on each map |
| 21:36.12 | mindjuju | every place is a great place for me on halo |
| 21:36.25 | mindjuju | it's the skillz, not the place |
| 21:37.26 | dataw0lf | call of duty, strategy actually counts |
| 21:37.39 | dataw0lf | so getting elevation on somebody is strategically sound |
| 21:38.06 | dataw0lf | setting claymores and c4 at hot entry areas used by the other team is strategically sound |
| 21:38.26 | dataw0lf | and the maps are so complex that they may seem like, say, a great sniper map, but the tiny details of the map actually make it horrible for sniping |
| 21:39.26 | mindjuju | cod sounds like fun |
| 21:39.29 | dataw0lf | in Halo, a bullet or two doesn't count for all that much. In Call of Duty, even with the weakest weapon, it counts A LOT. so putting yourself in a strategic area where you'll be able to get one bullet off faster than the other person means the difference between losing and winning |
| 21:39.44 | _psychic_ | cod is fun stuff |
| 21:39.54 | dataw0lf | yea, it's pretty awesome, and the depths you can explore when you start getting really good is impressive |
| 21:40.23 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: you got a xbox 360? if you do, you should join our fledgling clan. |
| 21:40.35 | _psychic_ | I can't do console shooters |
| 21:40.46 | dataw0lf | aw, the same way I felt, really. |
| 21:40.54 | _psychic_ | I can't stand not being able to use a mouse. |
| 21:41.11 | dataw0lf | yea, you get used to it pretty quickly, though |
| 21:41.24 | dataw0lf | I can say with confidence that with my sensitivity on high I can take down a keyboarder and mouser |
| 21:41.34 | _psychic_ | really. |
| 21:41.41 | dataw0lf | yup. |
| 21:41.51 | _psychic_ | I feel like I'm playing with boxing gloves on. |
| 21:42.00 | dataw0lf | yea I used to too. |
| 21:42.05 | _psychic_ | It's like typing, except you can only put down so many characters per second. |
| 21:42.07 | Utah_Dave | Call of Duty 4 is freaking awesome. but I play it on a pc, too |
| 21:42.09 | dataw0lf | even when I played Halo 1/2, I was like "meh". |
| 21:42.20 | _psychic_ | there's a lot of skill and strategy overlap |
| 21:42.23 | dataw0lf | but after playing CoD 4 and getting my dexterity / muscle memory down |
| 21:42.26 | _psychic_ | but I rely too much on reflexes |
| 21:42.30 | dataw0lf | there's not too much difference |
| 21:42.38 | _psychic_ | ugh there is for me |
| 21:42.58 | dataw0lf | you gotta stick with it. I played Halo 3 and was like "this is cool, but dang, I'm still not fast enough" |
| 21:43.04 | _psychic_ | I still do well when I play, but it's nothing like when I'm behind my PC |
| 21:43.16 | dataw0lf | but after playing CoD 4 for about 4 months straight, I've realized the difference is negligible |
| 21:43.46 | dataw0lf | I wish they'd network the 360 / PC / PS3 CoD 4 networks together |
| 21:43.51 | _psychic_ | there you go |
| 21:43.56 | dataw0lf | I'd pwn even more |
| 21:44.07 | _psychic_ | speculation :) |
| 21:44.15 | _psychic_ | I think that might be a reason it *isn't* |
| 21:44.21 | dataw0lf | I'm telling you |
| 21:44.27 | dataw0lf | I'm a veteran PC FPSer |
| 21:44.41 | dataw0lf | and I don't think I could get better on CoD 4 reflex wise by playing on a PC |
| 21:45.06 | _psychic_ | yeah but I can turn 200 degrees counter clockwise faster than you can |
| 21:45.24 | dataw0lf | not with sprint + the highest sensitivity |
| 21:45.42 | dataw0lf | people think I have an aimbot because they're not used to a console fps master! |
| 21:45.46 | dataw0lf | chikka chikka |
| 21:46.12 | _psychic_ | yeah I love getting accused of cheating |
| 21:46.15 | _psychic_ | that's the best |
| 21:46.17 | dataw0lf | yea, it's awesome |
| 21:46.26 | dataw0lf | "OMG CHEAT!" |
| 21:46.32 | dataw0lf | I just chuckle |
| 21:46.38 | dataw0lf | I really peed off the guys last night in a game |
| 21:46.58 | dataw0lf | "Man, you guys really really suck. I mean, REALLY suck. But you know what the good news is? I just saved a lot of money on my car insurance." |
| 21:47.14 | dataw0lf | if you want to hear incoherent shrieking |
| 21:47.17 | dataw0lf | that's the way to do it |
| 21:49.33 | dataw0lf | also yelling "CATCH!" when I throw a cooked grenade at someone is always a classic. |
| 21:50.36 | _psychic_ | I think I'll stick to TF2 |
| 21:50.55 | _psychic_ | specially before shelling out cash for a M$ PC |
| 21:50.58 | _psychic_ | (xbox) |
| 21:52.33 | dataw0lf | aw so you have a 360 but no CoD 4? |
| 21:52.42 | _psychic_ | no 360 |
| 21:52.47 | dataw0lf | aw |
| 21:52.49 | dataw0lf | durn |
| 21:53.03 | _psychic_ | I'm open for donations, though. |
| 21:53.19 | _psychic_ | I wanna see how good you are. :) |
| 21:54.11 | dataw0lf | heh heh heh. |
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| 22:13.09 | SunSparc | hehe, DI.fm just gave an ad that they are hiring for a PHP developer. |
| 22:17.12 | mgeary | and then spins up some Sonny and Cher |
| 22:17.37 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:27.52 | mindjuju | just got sent this - i know i know, its fox URL, but this is just on the housing market and it is a comparative of homes / prices across the nation |
| 22:27.53 | mindjuju | http://www.foxbusiness.com/video/?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=9dbb5a6a-4281-4798-a3b3-7561b0fdda01&referralPlaylistId=1292d14d0e3afdcf0b31500afefb92724c08f046 |
| 22:28.00 | mindjuju | ah, i miss Texas |
| 22:29.30 | timinator | mindjuju: didn't you have a project recently where you had to build a web based file uploader/downloader for use w/ some massive files |
| 22:30.07 | mindjuju | yeah, slung it over to apache and just wrote a quick piece of PHP to handle the file upload |
| 22:30.25 | mindjuju | 99% of the problem was the web server |
| 22:31.11 | mindjuju | apache rox |
| 22:31.24 | mgeary | ~lart the news anchor for asserting that median == average |
| 22:31.24 | jbot | hereby declares the news anchor a troll for asserting that median == average |
| 22:31.43 | mgeary | median means that half of the sample is more and half is less than the value |
| 22:37.27 | _psychic_ | talks... too... fast.... |
| 22:37.43 | _psychic_ | and loudly |
| 22:37.47 | _psychic_ | without really saying much |
| 22:37.52 | mgeary | ocomeonidon'tknowwhatyou'retalkingabout |
| 22:37.56 | _psychic_ | nice combo for a real estate agent |
| 22:38.20 | mindjuju | yeah, and he has a bad perm, but it's the houses! |
| 22:38.28 | mindjuju | did you see that Texas house? |
| 22:38.35 | mindjuju | nice house, pool, backyard, etc |
| 22:38.40 | _psychic_ | 200K |
| 22:38.44 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:38.58 | mgeary | 'course, you have to live in Texas |
| 22:39.05 | mindjuju | yeah, best place i know |
| 22:39.08 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:40.09 | dataw0lf | besides 49 other places, of course |
| 22:40.29 | wps | that ReMax guy looks like he just got out of the shower |
| 22:40.42 | mindjuju | nah, its the humidity |
| 22:40.46 | mindjuju | i'll be honest |
| 22:41.04 | mindjuju | course though, they prolly didn't film in texas |
| 22:41.10 | mindjuju | but it is muggy sometimes |
| 22:41.18 | influx^^ | *clap clap clap* |
| 22:41.27 | influx^^ | Deep in the heart of Texas! |
| 22:41.32 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/da-kingston-022708.mov |
| 22:41.37 | mindjuju | The stars are bright! |
| 22:42.23 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: heh, yea, I noticed that. |
| 22:42.29 | _psychic_ | what a moron |
| 22:42.38 | dataw0lf | yea, Cunningham is a punk. |
| 22:42.45 | _psychic_ | 1: for his assertion that a senator and presidential candidate isn't patriotic |
| 22:42.55 | _psychic_ | 2: for not wearing said lapel pin on a national interview |
| 22:43.39 | dataw0lf | the connotation that somehow a lapel pin and putting your hand over you heart during the pledge of allegiance is patriotic is ridiculous. |
| 22:44.06 | _psychic_ | that's why it gets so much airtime. |
| 22:44.27 | dataw0lf | I wonder if these guys ever pontificate on the correlations betwixt their behavior and Nazi Germany's behavior. |
| 22:45.38 | SunSparc | Why can't we all just get along. |
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| 22:46.32 | mgeary | if we're passing C&L links, this is my favorite clip that C&L has ever run: |
| 22:46.35 | mgeary | http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=125818&title=ken-mehlman |
| 22:46.38 | _psychic_ | SunSparc: Because some of us are mind-numbingly stupid. |
| 22:46.48 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:46.51 | Trevyn | Has anyone ever written a array to HTML form with the naming convetion of that array? |
| 22:46.54 | Trevyn | http://xmlgui.esourcehome.com/ |
| 22:47.05 | Trevyn | Im trying to do that here and having some recursive trouble |
| 22:47.06 | SunSparc | Or amazingly ignorant, at the very least. |
| 22:48.08 | Trevyn | YOu can get the source code here if you want to take a look at it |
| 22:48.10 | Trevyn | http://esourcehome.com/download/ |
| 22:48.16 | Trevyn | download the XML gui script |
| 22:49.10 | _psychic_ | mgeary: Turd perfumer. That's a great term. |
| 22:51.39 | mgeary | that clip inspired me to buy an iTunes season pass to The Daily Show |
| 22:51.49 | dataw0lf | Daily Show++ |
| 22:52.00 | dataw0lf | gotta catch it every night on Comedy Central or I start having withdrawals |
| 22:52.05 | _psychic_ | The Daily Show == Neocons Hang Themselves on TV |
| 22:52.30 | dataw0lf | that's why they refuse to go on |
| 22:52.39 | dataw0lf | because Stewart is sharper than any pundit on network tv |
| 22:53.21 | Utah_Dave | later, everyone! |
| 22:53.23 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=David_Bo@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 22:53.41 | beandog | whats a neocon |
| 22:54.46 | _psychic_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative |
| 22:54.54 | mgeary | last line is the best one: "i hope that when it's over, and this administration is gone, you can come back here and tell us what was really going on" |
| 22:54.56 | Trevyn | Love how people talk about php in here :( |
| 22:55.15 | beandog | you should see us discuss perl |
| 22:55.15 | _psychic_ | bah you should know by now uphpu has little to do with php |
| 22:55.15 | mgeary | Trevyn: it's like Picasso breaking the "rules" of painting |
| 22:55.35 | mgeary | we're so good at PHP, we don't have to discuss it |
| 22:55.49 | Trevyn | Yeah I just have no patience and allways want you guy to work for me for free |
| 22:55.50 | wps | that's one freak'n deep array you've got there, Trevyn |
| 22:55.53 | Trevyn | Whats wring with that? |
| 22:56.06 | Trevyn | wrong* |
| 22:56.09 | swb | how do I know if a server has sendmail or postfix configured? |
| 22:56.18 | Trevyn | phpinfo() |
| 22:56.18 | herlo | swb: depends on what type of machine |
| 22:56.39 | mgeary | swb: ps -aux |
| 22:56.50 | swb | shared hosting on linux |
| 22:56.51 | herlo | mgeary: that only tells if its running |
| 22:57.02 | mgeary | true |
| 22:57.04 | herlo | swb: does it have php? |
| 22:57.10 | swb | yep |
| 22:57.35 | beandog | sendmail -v ? |
| 22:57.39 | SunSparc | swb you can: telnet smtp.example.com 25 |
| 22:57.46 | SunSparc | and then run the helo command |
| 22:57.47 | herlo | swb: send an email using the php libs |
| 22:57.50 | _psychic_ | nice |
| 22:57.56 | beandog | oh that wont work |
| 22:58.01 | beandog | fail. |
| 22:58.01 | SunSparc | I think |
| 22:58.01 | herlo | SunSparc: that's only going to work if she has anything but local access |
| 22:58.05 | swb | ps -aux returns "bad ps syntax" |
| 22:58.09 | _psychic_ | ps aux |
| 22:58.17 | herlo | swb: do you have physical access to the box? |
| 22:58.22 | herlo | as in a shell? |
| 22:58.30 | swb | have shell |
| 22:58.31 | herlo | cat /etc/*release |
| 22:58.38 | herlo | what is the distro? |
| 22:58.50 | mgeary | uname -a |
| 22:58.59 | herlo | mgeary: that tells kernel not distro |
| 22:59.02 | swb | just says linux |
| 22:59.13 | swb | debian |
| 22:59.18 | herlo | swb: k |
| 22:59.31 | herlo | swb try apt-cache search sendmail |
| 22:59.37 | herlo | or apt-cache search postfix |
| 22:59.44 | herlo | should indicate whether they are installed |
| 23:01.48 | swb | those return lots of stuff, sendmail and postfix are listed |
| 23:01.50 | swb | nice |
| 23:02.18 | herlo | there you go |
| 23:02.27 | herlo | does it say they are installed? |
| 23:02.59 | herlo | swb: you may also be interested in the man page on dpkg |
| 23:03.13 | mgeary | Trevyn: so, did you get your problem solved? |
| 23:03.40 | Trevyn | no, and I was really hoping for was a "Trevyn thats a dumb idea" |
| 23:03.59 | fungus | swb: if ps reports an error with those params it might not be linux... Solaris uses "ps -ef" for example |
| 23:04.20 | mgeary | fungus: and that's why i was recommending uname -a |
| 23:04.28 | mgeary | 'cause Leopard doesn't like -aux either |
| 23:04.52 | Trevyn | Im trying to make a dynamic HTML form to edit XMl files. |
| 23:04.59 | Trevyn | Not sure yet if that is a smart idea or not. |
| 23:05.06 | mgeary | sounds painful |
| 23:05.30 | Trevyn | it shouldnt be, becuase array to XML and XML to array is pretty easy |
| 23:06.34 | SunSparc | Trevyn: why not just use SimpleXML functions. |
| 23:07.06 | SunSparc | http://us2.php.net/simplexml |
| 23:07.14 | Trevyn | yeah that does XML to array |
| 23:07.22 | Trevyn | I want to edit the array from a HTML form |
| 23:07.46 | wps | by "HTML form" do you mean a web-based XML file editor? |
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| 23:07.56 | dataw0lf | I'ma have to start breaking out the cluestick on the list |
| 23:08.07 | SunSparc | Ah, so you just want ... yeah, what wps said. |
| 23:08.22 | wps | it's still not clear to me what you're trying to do |
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| 23:08.34 | Trevyn | yeah... kinda and Im not sure if a web based XML editor is more user friendly in a form, or just with a regular text area |
| 23:08.43 | wps | ~melvin timinator |
| 23:08.44 | jbot | ACTION pulls timinator underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 23:08.53 | Trevyn | Click here |
| 23:08.54 | Trevyn | http://xmlgui.esourcehome.com/ |
| 23:09.00 | Trevyn | And scroll all the way down |
| 23:09.16 | wps | ah |
| 23:09.20 | wps | I'd say yuck |
| 23:09.28 | wps | I'd much prefer editing XML as text |
| 23:09.32 | wps | much, much, much |
| 23:09.42 | timinator | ~flip wps |
| 23:09.44 | jbot | ACTION gives wps the .|.. ..|. |
| 23:09.52 | SunSparc | Trevyn: Why exactly are you wanting to edit XML files? |
| 23:10.05 | Trevyn | Im starting to use them alot for basic config files |
| 23:10.30 | Trevyn | These would be changed by a sys op type role. |
| 23:11.02 | Trevyn | Also, I have a formbuilder, and Im converting it to run off of a XML file |
| 23:11.13 | Trevyn | and it would be cool to edit stuff on the fly |
| 23:11.20 | Trevyn | Add nodes ect. |
| 23:11.30 | wps | if you want a web-based configurator or admin console for settings, I would store the values in a database |
| 23:11.32 | SunSparc | A sys op would probably understand XML. Although doing it this way would keep them from messing up accidentally. |
| 23:11.54 | Trevyn | I see both responses |
| 23:11.58 | Trevyn | Ive thought about both |
| 23:12.12 | SunSparc | I would have to agree with wps on the database idea. |
| 23:12.39 | wps | having a script/utility that edits an XML file is a nightmare in my mind and seem very prone to problems |
| 23:12.52 | dataw0lf | yea, just keep your XML schema simple. |
| 23:13.03 | wps | it also seems like it would be worse performance wise |
| 23:13.03 | dataw0lf | which is better in the long run -- for everybody. |
| 23:13.15 | wps | databases are already fine-tuned for reading and writing |
| 23:13.20 | wps | don't reinvent the wheel |
| 23:13.45 | Trevyn | Yeah, I have one product that doesnt fit that mold |
| 23:13.47 | SunSparc | Unless it is going to be a much better wheel. ;) |
| 23:14.10 | Trevyn | I have a database, that you create forms, pages, sections questions, values, dependants. |
| 23:14.23 | Trevyn | Then you can export the form to an XML based web form |
| 23:14.29 | Trevyn | Then you can pop those into any website. |
| 23:14.41 | Trevyn | But when I want to change the form, I have to re export and move. |
| 23:14.48 | Trevyn | Or I change the XML file |
| 23:15.20 | Trevyn | And I could dress up this HTML XML editor to be more user friendly then writing in the XML .."I think" |
| 23:16.36 | Trevyn | A web based XML editor, would be a XML file in a textarea? |
| 23:16.50 | SunSparc | Why not just use a typical flatfile for config options with each option being part of an array or better yet class property. XML is more for transferring information and as you know you can take that array or class object and quickly make or read an XML file that you are using to transfer config information between sites. |
| 23:17.20 | Trevyn | yeah... you might be right. |
| 23:18.05 | SunSparc | That would be a first. ;) |
| 23:18.05 | Trevyn | So you think XML is not a good way to store config options? |
| 23:18.24 | SunSparc | Personally, no. Seems like too much work. |
| 23:20.39 | Trevyn | That where I would argue |
| 23:21.08 | Trevyn | I think writing an array or XML free hand is easier than a class. |
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| 23:21.38 | SunSparc | Depends on the implementation and scale. |
| 23:21.44 | Trevyn | true |
| 23:23.12 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you still around? |
| 23:25.26 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: sup |
| 23:30.00 | Trevyn | Do you know of a web based XMl editor that closes branches? |
| 23:30.22 | timinator | ~APB mindjuju |
| 23:30.23 | jbot | ACTION summons Dog the Bounty Hunter to find mindjuju |
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| 23:31.35 | dataw0lf | I can't believe this dude is going to argue security with me |
| 23:33.11 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 23:33.27 | timinator | dataw0lf: mindjuju and I were talking about file upload/downloads |
| 23:34.03 | mindjuju | sorry, had a minor emergency |
| 23:34.07 | timinator | I've got a client that needs a web-based ........ |
| 23:34.12 | timinator | carry on mindjuju |
| 23:34.24 | mindjuju | k, so here is where i'm at dataw0lf. I've got 500mb |
| 23:36.06 | dataw0lf | 500mb file? |
| 23:36.26 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 23:36.42 | mindjuju | i know that's 50min on T1 all things being equal |
| 23:36.49 | mindjuju | 2hrs + on DSL |
| 23:37.14 | mindjuju | i remember your arguments from a while back about running FTP through PHP being a bad idea |
| 23:37.30 | mindjuju | and considering doing file transfer / handling through Python, did i remember right? |
| 23:37.41 | dataw0lf | Correct. |
| 23:38.03 | mindjuju | but even tstill if python, it's still going to be fille transfer over HTTP |
| 23:38.09 | mgeary | ugh |
| 23:38.13 | mgeary | for 500 megs? |
| 23:38.15 | mindjuju | so upload speed won't very much |
| 23:38.28 | mindjuju | but the backend processing would be better / faster? |
| 23:38.43 | mindjuju | @ mgeary, i know, not sure if there is a choice on this though |
| 23:39.02 | mgeary | then it's a bad app design/customer expectation setting |
| 23:39.04 | mgeary | imho |
| 23:39.21 | dataw0lf | honestly, handling 500 mbs via HTTP is going to introduce a host of issues. |
| 23:39.38 | mindjuju | yup on both client and server side |
| 23:39.56 | timinator | we're talking files from 50-500MB |
| 23:40.13 | timinator | so, there'll be plenty that are smaller |
| 23:40.20 | SunSparc | Different protocols were designed for different activities. |
| 23:40.27 | dataw0lf | still, 50+ isn't any good. |
| 23:40.39 | dataw0lf | use anonymous ftp or something similar |
| 23:41.24 | mgeary | my rule is nothing over 30 megs goes over http |
| 23:41.33 | dataw0lf | that's a good rule |
| 23:42.59 | timinator | can I setup a wrapper for FTP or something? |
| 23:43.16 | mgeary | do you have to be in the browser sandbox? |
| 23:43.21 | mgeary | can you use plugins? |
| 23:43.51 | timinator | that way it's integrated.... and even my client's client's clients (possessive possessive plural) can use it if they have no clue about technology? |
| 23:44.21 | mgeary | can you use plugins? |
| 23:44.36 | timinator | I would like to have something that looks like a webpage, acts like a webpage, but works in the most appropriate manner |
| 23:44.44 | timinator | plugins? like FF plugins? |
| 23:44.50 | mgeary | Flash, Shockwave, Java |
| 23:44.56 | timinator | sure |
| 23:44.59 | mgeary | ok |
| 23:45.25 | mgeary | Flash can't do enough outside the browser security sandbox, but Shockwave and Java have more flexibility |
| 23:45.39 | mgeary | i've built Shockwave FTP interfaces that work within a browser |
| 23:45.57 | mgeary | and it's *real* ftp |
| 23:46.29 | mgeary | i'm sure you could do the same with FTP |
| 23:47.01 | timinator | sorry to but ya out mindjuju |
| 23:47.06 | timinator | :) |
| 23:47.20 | timinator | still friends? |
| 23:49.44 | mgeary | timinator: anyway, that'd be my recommendation, if your client/spec/audience permits it |
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| 23:51.24 | mindjuju | sorry, i'm back |
| 23:51.56 | mindjuju | the boss's daughter has some tech issues that is lighting my telephone and aux line 1,2,3 like christmas tree |
| 23:51.59 | timinator_ | sorry, I'm back too |
| 23:52.20 | timinator_ | that should be fine |
| 23:52.26 | timinator_ | mgeary |
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| 23:56.00 | mgeary | ? |
| 23:56.13 | timinator | PM |
| 23:56.17 | mgeary | not seeing it |